Rising BA and ERA over time

Solonor · 06-11-2006, 12:17 AM

Setting this up as a new thread per request from this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...31#post1716831

In every test of an imported league that I have tried, if I run the sim over 20 years, the BA and ERA steadily increase until the league BA is over .290 and the league ERA is around 6.00. In every prior version (and from what I think the current version's manual is saying), if the League Totals in setup never change, then you should always wind up with similar results year after year (within reason). This has borne out for us over 9 simulated seasons with OOTP 5, 6 and 6.5.

The only two things I changed from default after import were:

1. Setting the League Totals to match our year-end totals for the last season played prior to import.

2. Setting the League Totals Modifier for Strikeouts to .800

I found that if I did not do these two things, then the ERA's were way to low and K's were way too hight at the beginning of the sim. There were 8 or 9 pitchers with 300+ strikeouts and well over 10 with sub-2.00 ERA's. But that's not the point. It doesn't matter what I did to the League Totals, I should get the same results every season, and that's not happening.

I will try this with the default MAL quickstart that comes with the game to see if it's just with the imported league that this occurs.

Solonor · 06-11-2006, 08:59 AM

OK, I have isolated the problem to imported leagues. I tried using the Fictional quickstart that comes with the game, setting up a new Fictional league, the MAL quickstart and setting up a new standard league. I even tried messing with the starting year on a Fictional league to match the imported one. They all work fine.

But with every imported league, I get the problem of BA rising by .050 to .100 per season and ERA rising by around 0.200 per season.

I tried leaving all the defaults. I tried setting the league totals to match our last season. I tried with minors. I tried without minors. I tried with AI doing lots of stuff (trades, drafts, etc.). I tried with most AI shut off. I even tried with totally messed up league totals that give bad results the first year.

It happens every, single time.

Raidergoo · 06-11-2006, 10:42 AM

Cool. I will ask for help on this one.

f.montoya · 06-11-2006, 12:38 PM

Solonor, I sent you a PM. As soon as you read it, PM me back and we'll get this taken care of.

Solonor · 06-11-2006, 02:05 PM

I tried to PM back, but got the message "f.montoya has exceeded their stored private messages quota and can not accept further messages until they clear some space."

So, which one do you want? I have quicksaves from setups with no minors that are set up to sim as fast as possible, as well as full-blown setups with all minors and everything.

Plus, I sent our 6.5 league files to SI before the game was released, so someone there should still have them. Remember the whole "send us your league files and we'll test convert them for you" thing? I never heard back on that. Maybe this is why?

Solonor · 07-03-2006, 09:49 AM

I think this issue can be considered addressed in Patch 2!

The initial stats upon conversion are still very pitcher-dominated. However, I can now tweak the League Totals and run the game 20 years into the future, and the stats stay consistent over time.

06-11-2006, 12:17 AM	#1
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,459	Rising BA and ERA over time Setting this up as a new thread per request from this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...31#post1716831 In every test of an imported league that I have tried, if I run the sim over 20 years, the BA and ERA steadily increase until the league BA is over .290 and the league ERA is around 6.00. In every prior version (and from what I think the current version's manual is saying), if the League Totals in setup never change, then you should always wind up with similar results year after year (within reason). This has borne out for us over 9 simulated seasons with OOTP 5, 6 and 6.5. The only two things I changed from default after import were: 1. Setting the League Totals to match our year-end totals for the last season played prior to import. 2. Setting the League Totals Modifier for Strikeouts to .800 I found that if I did not do these two things, then the ERA's were way to low and K's were way too hight at the beginning of the sim. There were 8 or 9 pitchers with 300+ strikeouts and well over 10 with sub-2.00 ERA's. But that's not the point. It doesn't matter what I did to the League Totals, I should get the same results every season, and that's not happening. I will try this with the default MAL quickstart that comes with the game to see if it's just with the imported league that this occurs. __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams Last edited by Solonor; 06-11-2006 at 12:18 AM.

06-11-2006, 08:59 AM	#2
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,459	OK, I have isolated the problem to imported leagues. I tried using the Fictional quickstart that comes with the game, setting up a new Fictional league, the MAL quickstart and setting up a new standard league. I even tried messing with the starting year on a Fictional league to match the imported one. They all work fine. But with every imported league, I get the problem of BA rising by .050 to .100 per season and ERA rising by around 0.200 per season. I tried leaving all the defaults. I tried setting the league totals to match our last season. I tried with minors. I tried without minors. I tried with AI doing lots of stuff (trades, drafts, etc.). I tried with most AI shut off. I even tried with totally messed up league totals that give bad results the first year. It happens every, single time. __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

06-11-2006, 12:38 PM	#4
f.montoya Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,069	Solonor, I sent you a PM. As soon as you read it, PM me back and we'll get this taken care of. __________________ Fidel Montoya Asahi2 Baseball ex-Commissioner(Historical League Since 2004) www.allsimbaseball.com (OOTP web hosting - Customized sites for online leagues - Sign up, Connect OOTP and Play!) Share Your Mods - Free, unlimited and easy to upload to share your Mods instantly(free site registration required)

06-11-2006, 02:05 PM	#5
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,459	I tried to PM back, but got the message "f.montoya has exceeded their stored private messages quota and can not accept further messages until they clear some space." So, which one do you want? I have quicksaves from setups with no minors that are set up to sim as fast as possible, as well as full-blown setups with all minors and everything. Plus, I sent our 6.5 league files to SI before the game was released, so someone there should still have them. Remember the whole "send us your league files and we'll test convert them for you" thing? I never heard back on that. Maybe this is why? __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

07-03-2006, 09:49 AM	#6
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,459	I think this issue can be considered addressed in Patch 2! The initial stats upon conversion are still very pitcher-dominated. However, I can now tweak the League Totals and run the game 20 years into the future, and the stats stay consistent over time. __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

06-11-2006, 10:42 AM	#3
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	Cool. I will ask for help on this one.