Call him up?

msupoke · 05-20-2015, 02:02 PM

I have a 21-year-old middle infielder in AAA who is hitting over .400. He has hit his potential in power, but he has some development to do in contact, eye, and avoid Ks. My ML team is currently way out of the playoff race, so bringing him up is not urgent. However, I have a hole at SS and 2B at the ML level, and he is already much better than anything I have there.

My question is this: Will his development slow down at the ML level, even if he is getting the same amount of work? Is it better to struggle in the bigs or have success at AAA? I want to bring him up to see what he can do, but maybe patience is the better answer.

cmaug · 05-20-2015, 02:19 PM

If all indicators are that he's content where he is, I'd consider leaving him be in AAA until roster expansion. If he gets "unhappy" his development may slow down in the minors, so then you'd want to consider bringing him up.

Just my 2 cents...

msupoke · 05-20-2015, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cmaug

If all indicators are that he's content where he is, I'd consider leaving him be in AAA until roster expansion. If he gets "unhappy" his development may slow down in the minors, so then you'd want to consider bringing him up.

Just my 2 cents...

His morale is "very good." This is a valid argument. Thanks.

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 05-20-2015, 02:46 PM

If your scouting tells you he is almost there in terms of his development, I would consider bringing him up. Development happens in the majors, too. If he's not challenged at AAA, he may not develop fully there.

msupoke · 05-20-2015, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinnamon J. Scudworth

If your scouting tells you he is almost there in terms of his development, I would consider bringing him up. Development happens in the majors, too. If he's not challenged at AAA, he may not develop fully there.

He should be challenged, though. He hit .290 in AA before I pulled him up to AAA a couple of months ago. His contact and avoiding Ks ability has a little room for growth still. His eye is almost to his potential.

Does development happen at the same rate in the majors? I know that success/failure affects it, but with all things being equal, will his development slow down simply because of being called up?

jaysdailydose · 05-20-2015, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by msupoke

He should be challenged, though. He hit .290 in AA before I pulled him up to AAA a couple of months ago. His contact and avoiding Ks ability has a little room for growth still. His eye is almost to his potential.

Does development happen at the same rate in the majors? I know that success/failure affects it, but with all things being equal, will his development slow down simply because of being called up?

Not if he's getting playing time. Now, if you bring him up and he rides pine, absolutely.

It sounds to me like you'd be bringing him up to play him daily, though -- so I wouldn't worry on that.

Your only consideration would be his service time, but it sounds like you are fairly late into your season to where this wouldn't affect his future free agency.

RchW · 05-20-2015, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by msupoke

He should be challenged, though. He hit .290 in AA before I pulled him up to AAA a couple of months ago. His contact and avoiding Ks ability has a little room for growth still. His eye is almost to his potential.

Does development happen at the same rate in the majors? I know that success/failure affects it, but with all things being equal, will his development slow down simply because of being called up?

You don't know and probably shouldn't. It would defeat the purpose of the game somewhat to have under the hood answers. Assess the risk/reward but especially the team need and future salary implications, then make the call. It's not the end of the world either way.

rstoomeyii · 05-20-2015, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by msupoke

He should be challenged, though. He hit .290 in AA before I pulled him up to AAA a couple of months ago. His contact and avoiding Ks ability has a little room for growth still. His eye is almost to his potential.

Does development happen at the same rate in the majors? I know that success/failure affects it, but with all things being equal, will his development slow down simply because of being called up?

sounds like he started the year in AA? It may be a dumb arbitrary rule i have for myself but i try and make sure guys have a full year equivalent in AAA before i bring them up. between that and not starting his service time, maybe best to wait until the end of next april/early may?

MrWideFrame · 05-20-2015, 04:46 PM

Post a screenshot so we can get a look at the guy!

jaysdailydose · 05-20-2015, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rstoomeyii

sounds like he started the year in AA? It may be a dumb arbitrary rule i have for myself but i try and make sure guys have a full year equivalent in AAA before i bring them up. between that and not starting his service time, maybe best to wait until the end of next april/early may?

It's not arbitrary at all, its good management.

Only the most elite of prospects tend to skip levels in the minors, otherwise most organizations seem to do the same thing.

I'm with MrWideFrame, though -- we need at least one screenshot here to assess! Adding one with his contract status (so we can see his service time/arbitration status) would be helpful!

Padreman · 05-20-2015, 05:04 PM

Bring up opening day next season

olivertheorem · 05-20-2015, 10:41 PM

Previously everybody in the majors developed the same regardless of playing time. Did this change in this version and I missed it?

Dyzalot · 05-20-2015, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by olivertheorem

Previously everybody in the majors developed the same regardless of playing time. Did this change in this version and I missed it?

I was thinking the same thing. I was pretty sure I had read on these forums in the past few years that playing time at the MLB level was irrelevant in terms of development.

jaysdailydose · 05-20-2015, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyzalot

I was thinking the same thing. I was pretty sure I had read on these forums in the past few years that playing time at the MLB level was irrelevant in terms of development.

Even if that were the case, and I do not believe it is, his morale will definitely have an impact on his development, and good prospects do not like not playing.

NoOne · 05-22-2015, 01:23 AM

From what i understand about development - mlb development is the same regardless of playing time for developing players (under age 27 or however it is defined in the game). so, no worries if it is a bench player or not. my bench serves a particular role, i don't like developing players filling those spots unless they can fill the role i need - fast baserunners with multi-positions and a backup catcher.

.400 in AAA or wherever, may or may not be too good for that minor league rung. it's more likely than a player hitting .280 - which can also happen with a player who is too good relative to the league. if it has a green promotion suggestion and his abilities look okay, i'd say promote him. the easist way to know if a player is at the wrong level is how he is developing compared to his history. in AAA it's easier - his ratings and potential slowly trend downward - growth levels off and declines.

let the player's ratings dictate. it's hard to give numbers as standards, because it depends on the type of hitter and what their strengths and weaknesses are.

contact in 50's - should be at least league average hitter.

eye in 40-50's - unless his potential is below that to begin with.

avoid k 40-50's- unless his potential is below that to begin with.

basically, if he can maintain a league average ops (maybe a bit lower if very low power table-setter), it's worthwhile to bring him up if he is replacing a chump or a player you plan on getting rid of. if he is replacing an all-star, that is different of course.

don't make arbitrary rules. i've had plenty of prospects zoom through the minors never staying for an entire year anywhere. use the player's ratings, results, and personality to make decisions. keep a deserving player in AAA only when it is beneficial to your organization.

NoOne · 05-22-2015, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jaysdailydose

Even if that were the case, and I do not believe it is, his morale will definitely have an impact on his development, and good prospects do not like not playing.

however, very few 1st year mlb prospects demand a starting position. a future hof prospect does on occasion expect more.

jaysdailydose · 05-22-2015, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

however, very few 1st year mlb prospects demand a starting position. a future hof prospect does on occasion expect more.

I'm assuming 21 and triple-a that he's either a high schooler that has been in the system long enough or he is one of those prospects you name. 21 is early for AAA.

'94 EXPOS · 05-22-2015, 01:44 AM

Sounds to me like he is a superstar in waiting whose time is now. Strike while the iron is hot and bring him up. If he has good ratings and is outperforming his league (which he is) why risk regression by holding him back? Just my 2 cents

NoOne · 05-22-2015, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by '94 EXPOS

Sounds to me like he is a superstar in waiting whose time is now. Strike while the iron is hot and bring him up. If he has good ratings and is outperforming his league (which he is) why risk regression by holding him back? Just my 2 cents

exactly!

players make it to the majors at young ages - why create rules for yourself that prevents mlb quality players from being in the mlb?!? top-down thinking is bad when it comes to promotions/demotions.

al kaline was 19
ken griffey jr was 19
andru jones? the atlanta/ny OF was 19. brain fart on his last name, lol.

sherdil · 05-22-2015, 02:27 AM

I would personally wait and let him complete the season in AAA, especially since you are out of the playoff race.

Then move him up the next season.

05-20-2015, 02:02 PM	#1
msupoke All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 621	Call him up? I have a 21-year-old middle infielder in AAA who is hitting over .400. He has hit his potential in power, but he has some development to do in contact, eye, and avoid Ks. My ML team is currently way out of the playoff race, so bringing him up is not urgent. However, I have a hole at SS and 2B at the ML level, and he is already much better than anything I have there. My question is this: Will his development slow down at the ML level, even if he is getting the same amount of work? Is it better to struggle in the bigs or have success at AAA? I want to bring him up to see what he can do, but maybe patience is the better answer.

05-20-2015, 02:46 PM	#4
Cinnamon J. Scudworth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,119	If your scouting tells you he is almost there in terms of his development, I would consider bringing him up. Development happens in the majors, too. If he's not challenged at AAA, he may not develop fully there. __________________ "Sometimes, this is like going to a grocery store. You’ve got a list until you get to the check-out stand. And then you start reading People magazine, and all this other [stuff] ends up in the basket." -Sandy Alderson on the MLB offseason

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05-20-2015, 02:19 PM	#2
cmaug Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 344	If all indicators are that he's content where he is, I'd consider leaving him be in AAA until roster expansion. If he gets "unhappy" his development may slow down in the minors, so then you'd want to consider bringing him up. Just my 2 cents...

05-20-2015, 04:46 PM	#9
MrWideFrame Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 224	Post a screenshot so we can get a look at the guy!

05-20-2015, 10:41 PM	#12
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	Previously everybody in the majors developed the same regardless of playing time. Did this change in this version and I missed it?

05-22-2015, 01:23 AM	#15
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	From what i understand about development - mlb development is the same regardless of playing time for developing players (under age 27 or however it is defined in the game). so, no worries if it is a bench player or not. my bench serves a particular role, i don't like developing players filling those spots unless they can fill the role i need - fast baserunners with multi-positions and a backup catcher. .400 in AAA or wherever, may or may not be too good for that minor league rung. it's more likely than a player hitting .280 - which can also happen with a player who is too good relative to the league. if it has a green promotion suggestion and his abilities look okay, i'd say promote him. the easist way to know if a player is at the wrong level is how he is developing compared to his history. in AAA it's easier - his ratings and potential slowly trend downward - growth levels off and declines. let the player's ratings dictate. it's hard to give numbers as standards, because it depends on the type of hitter and what their strengths and weaknesses are. contact in 50's - should be at least league average hitter. eye in 40-50's - unless his potential is below that to begin with. avoid k 40-50's- unless his potential is below that to begin with. basically, if he can maintain a league average ops (maybe a bit lower if very low power table-setter), it's worthwhile to bring him up if he is replacing a chump or a player you plan on getting rid of. if he is replacing an all-star, that is different of course. don't make arbitrary rules. i've had plenty of prospects zoom through the minors never staying for an entire year anywhere. use the player's ratings, results, and personality to make decisions. keep a deserving player in AAA only when it is beneficial to your organization.

05-22-2015, 01:44 AM	#18
'94 EXPOS Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 318	Sounds to me like he is a superstar in waiting whose time is now. Strike while the iron is hot and bring him up. If he has good ratings and is outperforming his league (which he is) why risk regression by holding him back? Just my 2 cents

05-22-2015, 02:27 AM	#20
sherdil Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2015 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 20	I would personally wait and let him complete the season in AAA, especially since you are out of the playoff race. Then move him up the next season.