Bear’s 4-Fs (Fictional Fighters of Film and Fiction)

[bear]

Cain and Mabel (1936)
Directed by Lloyd Bacon
Writing credits
Laird Doyle
H.C. Witwer (story)
Boxing Cast
Clark Gable .... Larry Cain
Roscoe Karns .... Aloysius K. Reilly promoter/manager?
Walter Catlett .... Jacob 'Jake' Sherman promoter/manager?
Allen Pomeroy .... Fighter Tom Reed
Joseph Crehan .... Reed's Manager
Curtis Benton .... Fight Radio Announcer (uncredited)
Billy Coe .... Timekeeper (uncredited)
Joe King .... Colonel Johnson, Madison Square Garden Manager (uncredited)
John Marsden .... Manager (uncredited)
Bob Perry .... Boxing Referee (uncredited)
Lee Phelps .... Ring Announcer (uncredited)
Charles Sullivan .... Knockdown Timekeeper (uncredited)
Pat West .... Trainer in Gym (uncredited)
Al Williams Jr. .... Call Boy (uncredited)

Film was used by Randolph Hearst to promote Marion Davis. Only one boxing scene at end. Gable was described as plausible in his role as a HW champ.
H.C. Witwer, the writer was noted for his boxing fiction in the 20s. He's best known for his novel The Leather Pushers, which was serialized in film.


Fighter Tom Reed played by Allen Pomeroy in Cain and Mabel (1936)

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Fighter Tom Reed HW S3

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heavyweight champion Larry Cain played by Clark Gable

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Larry Cain HW E7

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[bear]

Larry Cain HW E7

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[bear]

Born to Fight (1936)
Directed by Charles Hutchison
Writing credits (in alphabetical order)
Peter B. Kyne story To Him Who Dares
Joseph O'Donnell adaptation (as Stephen Norris)
Boxing Cast
Frankie Darro .... 'Baby Face' Madison
Kane Richmond .... Tom 'Bomber' Brown aka Tom Hayes
Frances Grant .... Nan Howard (Owner of Morgan's Gym in Chicago)
Fred 'Snowflake' Toones .... Snowflake Madison's trainer
These two actors have played "heavies" and may be opponents
Eddie Phillips .... Duffy
Philo McCullough .... Goodall (uncredited)

Eddie Phillips .... Duffy
Philo McCullough .... Goodall (uncredited)

give Composite TCs

Phillip Duffy FW S5
Philo Goodal LHW B1
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'Baby Face' Madison played by diminutive wins fw crown Frankie Darro in Born to Fight (1936)

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'Baby Face' Madison FW S6

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Tom 'Bomber' Brown (aka Tom Hayes) lhw contender played by Kane Richmond in Born to Fight (1936)

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Tom 'Bomber' Brown LHW B4

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[bear]

Austin is still having trouble posting fighter files to this thread so here are a few more of his cobtributions. He wrote:

Here are 3 fighters from My Father's Fighter by Ronald K. Fried. Josiha
"Nightstick" Johnson I based on Roy Jones, Jr.; Mickey Davis as a weaker
version of Yvon Durelle; and Nestor Vasquez on Leonardo Rogers but as a
boxer not a slugger. I could have rated to other fighters, but I feel that
every fictional fighter should be based on something substantial to be
realistic. Rating a boxer because his name was used in a sentence is the
same as creating a fighter out of your head. As I keep reading I'll look
for more fighter with 1 or 2 ratings for the game. My trip to the library
created a list of over a dozen books to hunt down.

Bear

[bear]

This will be my last post to this thread until I return from Canastota.

I watched my tape of Diggstown and want to reread the novel even more now.

Bear

[a87star]

Have fun at the HOF Bear

[bear]

Originally Posted by a87star

Have fun at the HOF Bear

Thanks. Having fun there is a given. Wish everybody could make it there. My first visit was a couple of years ago after years of hoping to get there. It was like going on a HAJ to Mecca. The HOF itself, as a building, didn't impress me overly much. I was expecting there to be a large boxing research library, and was disappointed on that score, but the aura surrounding induction weekend, the total immersion with the sport, and the approachability of the fighters and ex-fighters combine into an awesome experience. The fighters are all generally happy to be there and really appreciative of the boxing fans who come. Wereinto collecting autographs I could have gathered scores of them without working up a sweat. It's just an incredible time.

Bear

[a87star]

Originally Posted by bear

Thanks. Having fun there is a given. Wish everybody could make it there. My first visit was a couple of years ago after years of hoping to get there. It was like going on a HAJ to Mecca. The HOF itself, as a building, didn't impress me overly much. I was expecting there to be a large boxing research library, and was disappointed on that score, but the aura surrounding induction weekend, the total immersion with the sport, and the approachability of the fighters and ex-fighters combine into an awesome experience. The fighters are all generally happy to be there and really appreciative of the boxing fans who come. Wereinto collecting autographs I could have gathered scores of them without working up a sweat. It's just an incredible time.

Bear

Sounds like a real great time. I would love to go one day and meet up with some of the TB loyalists. They should have a boxing library. I know some of the other sport HOF do. I wonder why?

[bear]

Originally Posted by a87star

Sounds like a real great time. I would love to go one day and meet up with some of the TB loyalists. They should have a boxing library. I know some of the other sport HOF do. I wonder why?

They do have a research collection of materials, such as a complete run of The Ring. Ice Tea has, I know, used their materials. Much New York Commission stuff. They aren't a prominant feature at the hall, however. As a librarian, I was hoping for more.

Bear

[jofre]

Originally Posted by Austin

H-E-L-P!!!

I downloaded a picture of Pat Comiskey as Gus Dundee. When I clicked on the boxer Gus Dundee I got the following message; Error Loadingimage'C:\Progra~1\OutOft~1\TITLEB~2\ImagesF ighters\dundee_gus'!

At this point the game frezzes and I have to hit CtrlAltDelete keys to get out of the game. Previously, I had copied Pat Comiskey and saved him as Dundee_Gus.

I deleted Dundee under fighters and deleted Gus Dundee from my fighter list. When I try to download Gus Dundee again from page one of this site, I get the message above and have to get out of the game.

could someone post a picture of Pat Comiskey as Gus Dundee so I might try to down load it. Any other suggestions??

Thanks in advance,

Austin

Here he is!

[Austin]

Thanks to my daughter Rhiannon, I'm finally able to post boxers to this site. She figured what was wrong with my pop-up menu. These 3 boxers are from the novel The Tomato Can by Ron Ross.

Austin

[Austin]

From the short story Rose Into Cauliflower by Mel Matison

Butch Volo fights middleweight contender Charlie Bazarkis at MSG. As Alexander Volkine, Volo studies ballet, using his ring earnings to pay the expenses. While dancing he falls in love with Anna Rakova, who has no idea, he's a professional boxer. His two Identities come unraveled just days before the big fight.

[bear]

Austin
Thanks for the contributions. I'm currently reading Diggstown. The book is a bit different from the film.

Bear

[Austin]

From the short story The Croxley Master by A. Conan Doyle--Part I

Robert Montgomery who is studying to be a doctor, enters the ring to finance his education. In doing so he faces long odds in fighting veteran Silas Craggs.

[Austin]

From the short story The Croxley Master by A. Conan Doyle--Part II

Robert Montgomery who is studying to be a doctor, enters the ring to finance his education. In doing so he faces long odds in fighting veteran Silas Craggs.

[Austin]

From the short story The Croxley Master by A. Conan Doyle--Part III

Robert Montgomery who is studying to be a doctor, enters the ring to finance his education. In doing so he faces long odds in fighting veteran Silas Craggs.

[Austin]

Bear,

In the short story The Croxley Master by A. Conan Doyle, Silas Craggs fights the who's who of English boxing. He wins most of these bouts, as a result I gave him a 6 rating. If the author says his main character is a wonderful fighter and fails to support it he's not getting a 10 rating from me! The Croxley Master was an excellent short story by the way!!

Austin