New HW Boxers Rated

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Another that was in the "New Pros" list in the ratings and another one that I'd done a previous rating some many years ago. So another revisit. I just wish there was somewhere to go for more info about these German and other European fighters. Even the Boxing News generally lacks much coverage unless a major fight covered or one with their home boys.

Peter Schulze - HW-German
Career Record: W6(KO 1) / L12(KO 4) / D1

Unknown information has been left blank.

DOB entered is noted on boxerlist.com

Original Rating by Rocco Del Sesto

Not much found about Schulze.

Ring July 1970 - Very short account of Peter Schulze loosing TKO to Bepe Ros on 2/21/70. Schulze's upper lip was gashed open and the referee stopped the bout with 30 seconds left in the 8th and final round.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Next of the "New Pros" HW's listed, Werner Linke. When I looked him up in BoxRec, he has only 1 fight listed and that was in March 1965. So why he was showing up on this list in September 1966? His opponent Manfred Becker shows only 2 fights, that against Linke and then one more fight a couple weeks later in 1965. So nothing much with them and did ratings up for both them. Not much thought put into these ratings of course. But, it puts real names in your DB of German fighters!

Werner Linke - HW - Germany (BoxRec actually does not denote HW)
Career Record: W0(KO 0) / L0(KO 0) / D1

Unknown information has been left blank.

DOB estimated by RFG.

Made debut against Manfred Becker and the two fought a 4 round draw. No other records for Linke.


Manfred Becker - HW - Germany (Again BoxRec no actual weight desig.)
Career Record: W0(KO 0) / L1(KO 0) / D1

Unknown information has been left blank.

DOB estimated by RFG.

In the debut for both fighters, Manfred Becker and Werner Linke fought a 4 round draw. Couple weeks later, Becker lost a 4 round decision to Hans Joachim Hartig and that's it for him in BoxRec.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Last of the Heavyweight "New Pros" group.

Fritz Lexmaul - HW - Germany (BoxRec lists him as LHW)
Career Record: W0(KO 0) / L1(KO1) / D0

Unknown information has been left blank.

DOB estimated by RFG.

Fritz Lexmaul shows only one fight in BoxRec that in March 1964 against Roland Graetz. BoxRec shows Lexmaul's fight weight at 179 and Graetz at 188. Thus why I guess BoxRec lists Lexmaul as a light heavyweight. Some written record they have on Lexmaul has him listed as LHW

The September 30, 1966 Boxing News' listing of German Fighter Ratings has Lexmaul in the "New Pros" category for HW's. Why in the list when only the one fight in 1964? Obviously makes you think how still incomplete the BoxRec files are yet?

Because of that list and yes 179 lbs technically can say a heavyweight I've put Lexmaul as a heavyweight.

Next group the 3rd Series (lowest tier).

Corrected putting file for Lexmaul.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Next up first of the "3rd Series" list of German Heavyweights. Another fighter that we've seen in the past revisiting here.

Karl-Hermann Troche - HW - Germany
Career Record: W7(KO 2) / L10(KO 6) / D0


Unknown information has been left blank.

Troche started off life in TB as Karl-Heinz Troche as I remember in

BoxRec's listing of him and I posted a rating for him in David Myers'

European Fighters (posting 212). Later after BoxRec updated/corrrected

to Karl-Hermann Troche I changed the file to that naming.

The TBCB3 DB Team later posted an "official" file for him in the TB game

data base. A number of us playtested for the "official" ratings. Don't

know who did Troche.

I've a little bit downgraded Troche here with this file.

Interesting career. Wins his firt 7 and then looses his last 10! Three

of those 7 wins were vs Manfred Ackers.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Manfred Schneider - HW - Germany
Career Record: W12(KO 5) / L3(KO 0) / D3

Unknown information has been left blank.

Graded SChneider originally back in the old days. I've downgraded his Control Ratings and lowered his PM. With a bettery variety of type of fighters in the DB to playtest then probably had back then, achieved favorable results still. Rocco

Schneider's career was mainly 1954 to 1959. An account of Schneider's last fight in May 1959 is found in the August 1959 Ring. It mentions it was a "hectic" fight and in the 5th round there was a clash of heads that left Schneider bruised and his opponent Erwin Hack a gashed eye.The referee at first was going to let the fight go on but then he turned that decision completely around and disqualified Schneider! It brought on a storm of protest from the crowd. Disatisfaction with this call, make Schneider abruptly decide to quit boxing?

So he dissappeared from the ring until Feb 1966 when he returned briefly to box and win a 4 round decision over Manfred Achers adn then in April drew 6 rounds with Rudolf Nehring. The June 1966 Ring mentions the fight but nothing of Schneider's long absence from the ring.

[Waltercito]

Originally Posted by Rocco Del Sesto

Last of the Heavyweight "New Pros" group.

Fritz Lexmaul - HW - Germany (BoxRec lists him as LHW)
Career Record: W0(KO 0) / L1(KO1) / D0

Unknown information has been left blank.

DOB estimated by RFG.

Fritz Lexmaul shows only one fight in BoxRec that in March 1964 against Roland Graetz. BoxRec shows Lexmaul's fight weight at 179 and Graetz at 188. Thus why I guess BoxRec lists Lexmaul as a light heavyweight. Some written record they have on Lexmaul has him listed as LHW

The September 30, 1966 Boxing News' listing of German Fighter Ratings has Lexmaul in the "New Pros" category for HW's. Why in the list when only the one fight in 1964? Obviously makes you think how still incomplete the BoxRec files are yet?

Because of that list and yes 179 lbs technically can say a heavyweight I've put Lexmaul as a heavyweight.

Next group the 3rd Series (lowest tier).

Rocco - instead of Lexmaul, you posted Werner Linke twice. Just saying.


Was going through old german newspapers to find pics of some of them - no luck so far.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Waltercito

Rocco - instead of Lexmaul, you posted Werner Linke twice. Just saying.


Was going through old german newspapers to find pics of some of them - no luck so far.

Oh my gosh ! Sorry I'll get the right file up when I get home this evening!!

Thanks !
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Waltercito

Rocco - instead of Lexmaul, you posted Werner Linke twice. Just saying.


Was going through old german newspapers to find pics of some of them - no luck so far.

Boy would love to have German papers to go thru! Makes me wonder if there is a site with digital newspapers. I found a site recently for UK papers. Should be a nice source for info on UK fighters.
Rocco

[pilight]

Many German newspapers can be found at the Munich Digitization Center digital library, including quite a few not listed on their newspaper category page

https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/en/

There's also eurodocs, but it's pretty limited

https://eudocs.lib.byu.edu/index.php...spapers_Online

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by pilight

Many German newspapers can be found at the Munich Digitization Center digital library, including quite a few not listed on their newspaper category page

https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/en/

There's also eurodocs, but it's pretty limited

https://eudocs.lib.byu.edu/index.php...spapers_Online

I will check these out!

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Manfred Schlesinger - HW - German
Career Record: W0(KO 0) / L6(KO 2) / D4

Unknown information has been left blank.

Schlesinger was done originally as a number of these heavyweights are from during the rating of Manfred Ackers' opponents a number of years back. Updated some fighter into and upped the numbers a bit for punches and his controls along with fixing PM and respective clinch number.

DOB from, fightsrec.com

Oct 1965 Ring - Brief account of Peter Weiland, 235 vs Schlesinger, 201 on June 18, 1965 says Schlesinger was forced to retire in the fourth. BoxRec notes it a 2nd round KO by Weiland? Also BoxRec does not note the fight weights.

Dec 1965 Ring - Gives Manfred Markgraf, Schlesinger's opponent on 9/3/65, fight weight at 220. Does not list Schlesinger's.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Next up Manfred Markgraf. File in DB I have was the TBCB3 DB Team rating. Someone rated him originally I think as part of the Manfred Ackers opponent ratings. I did some of them but others did some. Without looking not sure about Markgraf. Anyway I did tweek the TBCB3 file a bit upping his HP to 3 and bring his 3pt punches up a little. Seem to more consistently bring his number of KO's closer to 2 in testing.

Found a photo of him doing some kind of construction work on a German website.

Manfred Markgraf - HW - Germany
Career Record: W9(KO 2) / L2(KO 1) / D1

Unknown information has been left blank.

Sportnote.com and Boxerlist.com has his DOB as Oct 8, 1939 and born in Berlin.

A British Movietone video found on YouTube, a 2:16 minute clip showed hilites of some England v Germany Amateur boxing matches. One of those was a heavyweight fight between England's Billy Walker and Germany's Manfred Markgraf. Won by Walker, descrition of video places the match at 23 Jan 1961.

A website found de-linkfang-0rg showed the results of elimination competitions for the formation of the German boxing team for the 1960 Summer Olympics in Rome which took place July 1-3.

In the heavyweight division in the Semifinals, Manfred Markgraf scored a points win over Heinz Pingel and Gunter Siegmund was a points winner over Herbert Bruchhauser in the other semifinal. Then in the final, Siegmund was the point winner over Markgraf. The little bit of video of this fight, Markgraf was mostly just covering up in close with Walker doing all the punching.

[Waltercito]

Thanks!


I'm not sure if you know



http://www.deutsches-boxmuseum.de/


The site has a fair amount of information, but sadly no too many pics.

[Cap]

This is the best I can do for now...found it on a really blurry video. Cleaned it up a bit.

Manfred Markgraf.

Cap

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Cap

This is the best I can do for now...found it on a really blurry video. Cleaned it up a bit.

Manfred Markgraf.

Cap

Thank you Cap! I was messing with the Youtube video I mentioned in his biography of that fight with Walker trying to capture a part of it but couldn't get it stopped in a good spot. Finally gave up.
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Waltercito

Thanks!


I'm not sure if you know



http://www.deutsches-boxmuseum.de/


The site has a fair amount of information, but sadly no too many pics.

I'll come across this site when just googling a fighter. Yes never seems to have many photos.
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Roland Graetz - HW - Germany
Career Record: W10(KO 3) / L11(KO 4) / D6

LHW Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto back in Feb 2005. Not sure now why I had him as a LHW. Rerated as Heavyweight which BoxRec and other accounts of him list him as.

sportnote.com has Graetz' DOB as Oct 14, 1936 and born in Zanzin, Poland.Fighting out of Hamburg, Germany

June 1964 Ring - Fritz Lexmaul, 179 retired after a knockdown in the second round against Roland Graetz, 188.

July 1964 Ring - This Ring account of Roland Graetz, 184 fought a 4 round decision win in Hamberg on 4/10/64, against Manfred Ackers, 181. BoxRec lists this fight for Graetz being against a Siegried Ackers.

Oct 1964 Ring - This Ring account of Roland Gaetz, 180 decisioned Manfred Ackers, 206 in 6 rounds.

Jan 1965 Ring - 10/1/64, Roland Graetz, 182 was hurt bad by Carl Welschou's, 202 right hand in the first round, but, Graetz fought back and knocked Welschou down twice in the fifth and then Welschou's corner threw in the towel.

March 1965 Ring - This account of Roland Graetz', 182, 3rd round knock out of Willi Holweg on 11/14/64. It mentions that Graetz was several times a provisional champion in the amateurs.

April 1965 Ring - On 01/06/65, Lennart Risberg, forced a 6th round stoppage against Roland Graetz in this heavyweight match after flooring Graetz twice.

July 1965 Ring - 0n 03/19/65, Dante Cane who was 2 stones heavier than Roland Graetz, forced Graetz to retire in the 3rd round.

Jan 1966 Ring - Roland Graetz, 178 carrued a furious comeback in this fight that some felt gave him a draw, but Manfred Markgraf, 222 still gained the 4 round decision.

02/17/67 Boxing News - Lists 02/04/67 fight at St. Quentin, Paul Roux winning 10 round points over Rolf Graetz. The May 1967 Ring Magazine gives an account of Paul Roux winning a decision over Paul Gratz over 10 rounds?! It says Gratz or if it's Roland or Rolf Graetz, was a southpaw and the Roux didn't have much problem with that and floored Graetz or Gratz four times in the final round.

June 1967 Ring - In some fights of different weight classes at Herford, Roland Graetz and Peter Donner are listed as Light heavyweights and drew 6 rounds. Donner in BoxRec is listed as a light heavyweight with some fights, his weight is LHW range. So possibly Graetz fought some light heavy. Maybe early records on Graetz in BoxRec listed him LHW and why I did original rating as such.

Sept 1967 Ring - Fight against Rudolf Nehring names Roland as Gratz. Ring was getting different spellings of Graetz' name.

Oct 1967 Ring - Mentions Roland Graetz' fight in Innsbruk as against Anders Hoger (Franz Hoeger in BoxRec). Also notes Heavyweight Roland Graetz' 8 round decision over Manfred Ackers at Krefeld later in July.

Dec 1967 Ring - The Sept 1, 1967 fight between Peter Donner and Roland Graetz, the short account again mentions both fighters as light heavyweights.

Jan 1968 Ring - The Sept 20, 1967 fight with Peter Weiland won by Weiland on points in 8, Roland's last name is again shown as Gratz. Ring couldn't make up it's mind what to call Roland.

Remainder of Ring accounts of Graetz fight again just who won/lost and they vary between calling him Graetz and Gratz!!

[Rocco Del Sesto]

I'm working on a revisit of Manfred Ackers, German heavyweight from the mid 60s to early 70s compiling an 8-60 record. We looked at him a good number of years back looking at all his opponents that several authors here on the forums contributed.

He is the last of the "3rd Series" German HW's in this Boxing News Rankings from September 1966 that we're looking at. I've got quite a few of my Rings to go through looking for any info on his fights. Won't get it done tonight and heading out of town the rest of the week to visit family so just letting you know we'll pick things up with Ackers and this project when I get back in this weekend.

thanks much
Rocco

[Waltercito]

Remainder of Ring accounts of Graetz fight again just who won/lost and they vary between calling him Graetz and Gratz!![/QUOTE]


His name is Roland Grätz. So the correct translation would be Graetz.


Fellow boxer Dieter Graetz (100881) is his brother.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Waltercito

Remainder of Ring accounts of Graetz fight again just who won/lost and they vary between calling him Graetz and Gratz!!

His name is Roland Grätz. So the correct translation would be Graetz.


Fellow boxer Dieter Graetz (100881) is his brother.[/QUOTE]

Ok that explains the different spellings in Ring! I've seen Dieter mentioned.

Thank you!!
Rocco