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1967/68 Rookie Draft
A relatively low-key induction of new Legacy Players for 1968, although each of the five incoming is a larger-than-life character for one reason or another.
These are the Legacy Players for the 1968 Season: Los Angeles Dodgers: Dusty Baker (37.0; 1117) Oakland Athletics: Rollie Fingers (25.6; 502 GP) Pittsburgh Pirates: Al Oliver (43.6; 1302) San Francisco Giants: Bobby Bonds (57.9; 1014) St. Louis Cardinals: Ted Simmons (50.3; 1564) Richie Hebner (33.0; 1140 GP) was also eligible for the Pirates, but Oliver’s higher WAR makes him the selection. Hal McRae (27.9; 1837 GP) is another who would have been eligible for the Royals, and… Don Money (36.5; 1196) falls into the same category for the yet-to-exist Brewers—I mean what are the odds… There are 110 rookies for this season, and the Draft will consist of 5 rounds. The Draft order will be as follows (winning percentage from 1967 IRL season in brackets; bold indicates Legacy Pick in 1st Round): Round 1 1. San Francisco Giants (562; dice roll) 2. St. Louis Cardinals (627) 3. Pittsburgh Pirates (500) 4. Los Angeles Dodgers (451) 5. Oakland Athletics (385) 6. New York Mets (377) 7. Houston Astros (426) 8. New York Yankees (444) 9. Cleveland Indians (463) 10. Washington Senators (472; dice roll) 11. Baltimore Orioles (472; dice roll) 12. Atlanta Braves (475) 13. Philadelphia Phillies (506) 14. California Angels (522) 15. Cincinnati Reds (537) 16. Chicago Cubs (540) 17. Chicago White Sox (549) 18. Minnesota Twins (562; dice roll) 19. Detroit Tigers (562; dice roll) 20. Boston Red Sox (568) Rounds 2 thru 5 1. New York Mets (377) 2. Oakland Athletics (385) 3. Houston Astros (426) 4. New York Yankees (444) 5. Los Angeles Dodgers (451) 6. Cleveland Indians (463) 7. Washington Senators (472; dice roll) 8. Baltimore Orioles (472; dice roll) 9. Atlanta Braves (475) 10. Pittsburgh Pirates (500) 11. Philadelphia Phillies (506) 12. California Angels (522) 13. Cincinnati Reds (537) 14. Chicago Cubs (540) 15. Chicago White Sox (549) 16. Minnesota Twins (562; dice roll) 17. Detroit Tigers (562; dice roll) 18. San Francisco Giants (562; dice roll) 19. Boston Red Sox (568) 20. St. Louis Cardinals (627) Eligible PIT players: 5 position players + 3 pitchers = 8. No shortage of decent eligibles for us—too good, most of them, by which I mean there’s little likelihood of them doing too many spins around the block here and falling into our lap. Which is pretty much how it goes, with our selections as follows: 1. 1B Al Oliver, 21
5. P John Cumberland, 20 (ineligible)
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Call from the Hall
While Bob Feller stalls and is down to his final two ballots, the HoF admits another huge name.
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1968 The First Time Around
The (in)famous Year of the Pitcher sees runs become as rare as rocking-horse poop and ERAs plummet accordingly. Little did everyone know how much things were about to change. The Cards, led by Bob Gibson, meet the Tigers and their twin towers 30-game winner Denny McLain and Mickey Lolich in a gripping World Series that goes the distance and sees the Tigers prevail for just their third title.
AL CHAMPIONS: Detroit Tigers (103-59) NL CHAMPIONS: St. Louis Cardinals (97-65) WORLD SERIES: Tigers 4, Cardinals 3 Pittsburgh Pirates: 80-82, 6th in NL AL MVP: Denny McLain (Tigers) NL MVP: Bob Gibson (Cardinals) AL CYA: Denny McLain (Tigers) NL CYA: Bob Gibson (Cardinals) AL RoY: Stan Bahnsen (Yankees) NL RoY: Johnny Bench (Reds) Top Ten Lists (courtesy of thisgreatgame.com) NL Hitters 1. WILLIE MCCOVEY, SAN FRANCISCO
AL Hitters 1. CARL YASTRZEMSKI, BOSTON
NL Pitchers 1. BOB GIBSON, ST. LOUIS
AL Pitchers 1. LUIS TIANT, CLEVELAND
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The Wheeling and the Dealing
With Patek on board now and Maxvill such a similar type, this deal was too good to turn down.
![]() At 36, Jim is nowhere near the outstanding pitcher he once was. But he's still decent enough and, given the environment for '68 and the agreeable terms, I think the deal is a good one for us. ![]() Sim imitating the IRL here, with him joining the Buccos IRL for this season and next, which is almost certainly what will happen in this timeline. It also lets us go a bit slowly with Blass, who is obviously a touch on the fragile side and can now work from the BP and be our SP6 where needed. JB is currently on 199 career wins, so his first for us will be a nice milestone for him.
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As you say, he got better with age. He had his best years late 20s on rather than with the Pirates. It would be nice to be able to keep him for those years. It's hard for me to do playing historical rookies. You may have less of a problem with your setup.
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Yeah, as a Legacy we get him for 12 seasons (or longer if that's the case IRL) and aren't allowed to trade him. So we'll get him thru '79 but will need to re-up if we want that great 1980-82 stretch he laid down.
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Interestingly he has a slightly higher WAR on BR than Dave Parker. Maybe due to his time in CF. I don't recall how long Oliver can play CF in OOTP.
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1968 Preseason / Spring Training
Seems like the Cubs traded away their entire squad over the break—here are the moves and signings of note:
A disastrous ST sees us lose both Bob Veale (back) and Ed Kirkpatrick (labrum) for the entire season. It almost seems incidental that we go 10-8. ALL TRANSACTIONS Understandably, the loss of Bob and Ed has put a real pall over the joint here at Forbes. The predictions from BNN in no way help lift the spirits as they see us finishing 77-85 and well off the pace. They are tipping a Senators pennant in the AL, which is a little surprising. FULL PRESEASON PREDICTIONS ![]()
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The View from the Gangplank Opening Day, 1968
Our team page can be accessed HERE.
Whatever good vibes I was feeling entering into the 1968 season have all but dissipated for now, but we must go on. Losing Kirkpatrick is a mere annoyance and slight inconvenience, I doubt I need explain the negative effect having our staff ace miss the Year of the Pitcher in its entirety is likely to have on the team's performance. We'd signed Don Cardwell on a minors deal but for once have a bunch of guys needing to clear waivers and I don't want to activate him until we see how that process goes, which means he won't appear in this report. Providing all goes according to plan, we'll go with him in the spin to begin with and stick with the softly, softly plan for Blass. If not, we'll have to run Steve at SP5. Al Oliver has been called up (Bob is nowhere to be seen...) and will fill in at 1B / corner OF on a back-up basis. We are still uncomfortably thin for my liking in the middle of the diamond, so if we look to add someone new, it will almost certainly be in this capacity. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Cutlass Club Update 1968
Just before we talk matters financial, we have now promoted Don Cardwell after all of our waivers made it through safely. We've also picked Maz up on a similar deal, so we might not have seen the last of this club icon at Forbes. For now, however, he's at Wilkes-Barre.
And Jim Bunning's first start for us is a beauty that earns him his 200th career win. Right, here's how the roster sitch looks at OD, 1968. We've got some really interesting decisions to make this year, as the gap between salaries and our small budget continues to narrow and excess flesh becomes more and more problematic. Most notable among these are Pagliaroni and Hands. I'll be looking for a decent backup C to slot in should we not take up that final year option on Pags, while the biggest issue with Hands is, can we use the CC slot any more productively. We'll need to give all of these decisions plenty of thought and plan things out with military precision. ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Is it October Already?
A fine day indeed for young Reggie Jackson, who doubles his career HR tally in a DH against the Sens.
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In for the Long Haul
The Yanks and Sens play out a 22-inning near-7-hour monster in D.C, with the visitors eventually sneaking home 3-2.
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The View from the Gangplank June 1, 1968
The challenging start to our 1968 campaign continues as we lose Gene Alley to a wrist sprain for a fortnight and Mota also picks up two separate niggles, each requiring limited game time for a wee while but no IL stint. Flea Patek gets his first run in the bigs, only to tear a hamstring and have to take a month off. Fortunately this happens just as Alley returns, but we are dicing with death in this game of Russian roulette that is playing out just as we come off the boil a bit after starting strongly yet again. I doubt the two are unrelated.
![]() ![]() Given the Veale loss and these various more minor struggles, 27-21 and just 3 GB are wildly acceptable, especially when it doesn't feel like we've used so much juice compared to the same period last year. ![]() After a relatively quiet April, Arriba finds his mojo and wins the hitter award for May. If we can get Bailey to play as we know he can and more out of the Catcher slot, then I think we'll at least stay competitive. ![]() Impossible to really know what to expect on the pitching side of the equation. 3-year recalc will lessen the 1968 effect by some margin, so if the lads can maintain their current level and we can keep them on the park then, once again, I think we'll go OK here. The Red Sox have made a run for it but with so far to go whether or not they can hold that margin is yet to be seen. Slightly tighter for now in the NL, with the Braves creeping up on a nice win streak currently at 9 games. This middle third will be crucial to the eventual pecking order in both divs. ![]() Monthly Award Winners April American League
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"Impossible to really know what to expect on the pitching side of the equation. 3-year recalc will lessen the 1968 effect by some margin, so if the lads can maintain their current level and we can keep them on the park then, once again, I think we'll go OK here."
With three year recalc batters will get better ratings than 68 alone and pitchers will get worse ratings than 68 alone but the almighty league modifiers will force them in aggregate to 1968 level performance.
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Stat Check: 3B
So, who is the active leader in the MLB in career triples?
All-time leader: Ty Cobb, 281
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1968 MLB All-Star Game
Four of our lads get gongs this year, including a surprise nod for rookie Al Oliver, along with an even more surprising snub of the 9-0 / 1.87 Woodie Fryman (who proceeds to lose his first of the season the day after).
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NY Rookies face off in the HR Derby, with Met Joe Lahoud triumphing over Yankee Graig Nettles 6-5 in the final. Detroit's Bill Freehan is named MVP as the AL takes the main event 5-2. That makes him just the second multiple winner of this award, behind Hank Greenberg's three.
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Mantle Watch
Time for us to turn our attention to the great man, who is closing in on Lou Gehrig's all-time HR mark of 571. Mick has 17 so far this season and needs 14 more to edge past the Iron Horse, with Babe Ruth currently the only player between them.
![]() I think Mick should still have a year or two left after this one, but his decline will be pretty steep even with the 3-year smoothing factor. It'd be nice for him to reach 600 and set the chasers - a couple of whom are nearing major milestones of their own - a target. I see Aaron as the most likely to eventually usurp him, but 600 in this save is a BIG number that may even challenge the Juice Crew a few decades down the road. We'll count them down as they happen until he (hopefully) reaches the summit.
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What are the standings?
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