Historical minor leagues

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by JaBurns

Thanks for all your time and trouble. I will try again tomorrow with a different player from my new snazzy spreadsheet.

No probs. You made up a new spreadsheet, or is it the new Spritze?

[JaBurns]

The new Spritze but charlos00 still shows up on the same line not the same line as yours no idea why...

[Bigrod]

Originally Posted by JaBurns

The new Spritze but charlos00 still shows up on the same line not the same line as yours no idea why...

I think this might be your problem and maybe not, but
If you ever selected the master.odb file....ootp locks that in and you'll never pull from the master.csv file unless you close ootp, restart it and then make sure you select the master.csv.
If none of this helps, then temp rename the master.odb file. Restart ootp and select the master.csv and try your import. I've had to do this when testing out the import using a text file feature.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Bigrod

I think this might be your problem and maybe not, but
If you ever selected the master.odb file....ootp locks that in and you'll never pull from the master.csv file unless you close ootp, restart it and then make sure you select the master.csv.
If none of this helps, then temp rename the master.odb file. Restart ootp and select the master.csv and try your import. I've had to do this when testing out the import using a text file feature.

Will it import all the info in the .csv files if you do this? The historical_database.odb file has all the player's info packed into it, whereas the master.csv file is just the master file. I could be wrong, but I thought you would only get what's in the master.csv file if you do it that way.

[JaBurns]

I am sure that I was using the historical_database.odb to try the import. I just opened the master file to see what was in the xcel spreadsheet and then I saved a copy to my documents outside Ootp16.

[Bigrod]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Will it import all the info in the .csv files if you do this? The historical_database.odb file has all the player's info packed into it, whereas the master.csv file is just the master file. I could be wrong, but I thought you would only get what's in the master.csv file if you do it that way.

the ootp's master.csv is the same contents as the master.odb
odb is OOTP developments prioritized format that converts the master.csv to .odb
Spritze can probably explain it better as I'm just the data collector and pass it along to him so he can perform his magic.

[Spritze]

The ODB files were created and compiled because the CSV files got too big to process.

Kind of like using an eight foot long colossal squid for calamari. Takes way too much sauce.

The CSV files are the human readable versions of the things in the ODB files.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Spritze

The ODB files were created and compiled because the CSV files got too big to process.

Kind of like using an eight foot long colossal squid for calamari. Takes way too much sauce.

The CSV files are the human readable versions of the things in the ODB files.

Awesome imagery there.

[The Wolf]

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

[Honorable_Pawn]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

we've taken a couple liberties to simplify say, the 1942 Illinois-Indiana-Iowa League so that it will fit easily in game

Never heard of it.

[Orioles1966]

Will the Mexican League be included in Historical Minor Leagues?

[Spritze]

No.

[swampdragon]

Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

Never heard of it.

Three I League.

[JaBurns]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

No probs. You made up a new spreadsheet, or is it the new Spritze?

Finally success, it looks like I wasn't pointing at the right database. After much clicking I finally hit the Spritze database in the stats file (don't ask me how!)
I will keep playing because the chances me remembering how to do this on March 22nd are near zero.

Thank you to all who tried to help, you people are great and very understanding.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by JaBurns

Finally success, it looks like I wasn't pointing at the right database. After much clicking I finally hit the Spritze database in the stats file (don't ask me how!)
I will keep playing because the chances me remembering how to do this on March 22nd are near zero.

Thank you to all who tried to help, you people are great and very understanding.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Do you know whether the new minor league feature can be used with the real transactions feature. I know all the minor league transactions aren't included, but one of the biggest drawbacks of real transactions in earlier years is a lack of players. I want to be able to play with injuries set to normal or high. Retire and miss seasons according to history have to be on when using real transactions and that's why I wonder whether it will work or not

I believe the answer to the question - can minor league historical be used with real transactions? - is no (and - hopefully - actually not yet). At any rate, along these lines, does anybody know if the "feature" - as described here: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...e-problem.html - that was introduced with the version 13 historical transactions file has been addressed?

The problem is that this bug can essentially rob you of players (who might be needed to fill out rosters, depending upon how you're playing) by retiring them prematurely, and making your Retire According to History and Miss Seasons According to History settings meaningless.

(I've been using the v12 historical transactions file in all versions since, due to this bug.)

Thanks in advance.

[MightyVotto]

Are you playing real transactions with minor leagues setup? I didn't know that the game even let you do that. When I play historical with real transactions, it disables minor leagues.

When a player misses a season, it just disables him for the year and places him on your team's IR. If there is a transaction that releases him, it does that, and he goes to the FA pool. He'll then be picked up again by whomever did so based on a future transaction. He may retire if he never shows up in the league again. It works fairly smoothly. There were a few bugs involved in these kinds of transactions, but they've been fixed with the newer versions of the game.

The only bug I'm still seeing is that rookies enter the game one year older than Baseball Reference says they should be. For instance, Ty Cobb entered a recent league in 1905 for me, and the game had him as 19. Baseball Ref has him being 18 that year. This has been a bug for a couple of versions now.

[thehef]

I'll just repost what I posted some time ago on this to further explain. It refers to versions 13 & 14 but also applies to versions 15 and 16:

Originally Posted by thehef

Seems that something has been introduced into the OOTP versions 13 & 14 historical transactions files that doesn't make sense, at least to me:

For at least some (perhaps all) players who miss a season (or more) due to, for example, spending entire years in the minors, the transaction file now releases them, often resulting in their retirement. This can result in the depletion of your reserve or minor-league rosters. In addition, the 13 & 14 txn files release players when their real-life career has ended.

These issues are discussed in detail here - http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3610903 - and here - http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3610902.

The problem, as I see it, is that these additions to the historical transactions file are not only unnecessary due to the ability to check/uncheck the Retire According to History and Miss Seasons According to History options, but that the changes in fact nullify the effect of these options... So here's hoping this can be addressed in v15.

(Not sure if this belonged in the bug, suggestions, or some other sub-forum, so I'm starting here.)

If anyone has any clarification on this and/or workarounds, please chime in. Thanks

My thinking is that it's a bug - not with the game itself - but with the transactions odb file. For a player who, for example, played a few seasons then disappeared into the minors before actually retiring, the transactions file does not need to release him after his real-life major league career ended; rather, the Retire According to History function, if chosen, will handle that... Going back to OOTP v12, where the txns odb file did not include these unnecessary transactions, it was easy to keep your minor league rosters stocked with real players who would - like in real life - hang around in the minors for a few years (think of all the cup-of-coffee guys). But as noted above, the inclusion of these unnecessary txns simply makes the Miss Seasons Accdg to History and Retire Accdg to History options much less useful.

So the question is, is this still an issue with OOTP 17?

[dmccarney3232]

Apologies for bumping this old thread, but didn't want to create a new one in case this has been addressed somewhere. (I searched for about a half hour and couldn't find anything except in the bug folder, with no resolution. I replied to the game developer there with a similar post so hopefully I'll get some sort of response.)

So...

Not long after my fourth season with the 1939 Yankees, right around the time the 1942 winter meetings started, I noticed that my single A affiliate disappeared off the roster page. Thought it was just a glitch at first, or if I lost one team no big deal. But then to my horror I discovered that in actuality 28 full minor leagues have inexplicably vanished. The Boston Bees, for example, had their entire minor league system gutted save for a single affiliate. Seven or eight teams, with all their players -- poof. I have absolutely no idea what happened.

Has anyone seen/heard anything like this before? I have been playing in commissioner mode lately, mainly so I can chart games played as I try to groom a handful of prospects for multiple defensive positions, so I thought I might have inadvertently deleted my own team while setting up all the rosters for the coming season. But I just don't see that there's anyway I could have accidentally purged whole leagues, and that many. Nearly 30!!! I tried to just shrug it off and start a new game but it's just not the same...I was totally invested in this team after four full seasons of playing out every single game out. (Finally whipping St. Louis' ass in the World Series after being swept twice felt so, so satisfying.) It's amazing how you can become that attached -- the sign of a truly well-designed, well-executed game.

Can anyone think of a possible solution? I was ready to rebuild and restock a handful of leagues, but 28 seems like a gargantuan task that I'm just not willing to undertake. I can continue playing, of course, but with so many teams having had their minor leagues decimated it feels like the competitive balance has been irrevocably damaged. (Playing with the Yankees is already advantage enough.)

I guess I learned a valuable lesson the hard way (which I should have already after losing a week that included a two-homer, eight-RBI game from Joe D): Always back up on the regular.

On a side note, it's amazing how this game has sucked me in. I've paid only casual attention to baseball for the past 20 years or so, meaning usually just the playoffs. Case example: I enjoy checking out the All-Star rosters every year to see how many players I have literally never heard of. But I've been glued to my computer for the past three months or so with this. Wish there was an NFL equivalent to this. There's nothing that quite compares to an incredible simulation.

Seems like a real bummer to have to start over from scratch...