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Westheim · 09-12-2018, 06:42 PM

Even if he ends up 8-11 with a 1.73 ERA (my new projection) he has damn well earned the damn Cy Young. As well as the Nobel Peace Prize. And whatever Good Neighbor award you can get in Corona, just for not tainting the Gatorade barrel in the dugout with rat poison to really stick it to those damn team mates of his…

Uah. Mets. -.-

Westheim · 09-16-2018, 04:07 PM

And the Mets betray deGrom again. I am not even surprised. Just pissed.

Déjà Bru · 09-16-2018, 04:21 PM

And against Sale for only three innings, the kid gloves treatment which I guess you can't blame the Sox for that. At least DeGrom did not take the loss.

Westheim · 09-16-2018, 04:34 PM

Also, the streak of starts with three runs or less conceded continues, now at 27.

And the Tampa Bay shenanigans don't even start to count in that regard.

Déjà Bru · 09-27-2018, 01:39 PM

DeGrom's last start of the year, 8 innings, 2 hits, no walks, no runs, 10 strikeouts (to get his career total to exactly 1,000 K's). Final record: 10-9 (double-digit wins and a winning record), check. Final ERA: 1.70 over 32 starts and 217 innings, best in the majors (nearest ERA competitor 2.45), check. Playing all year for a lousy team and probably would have a 20-9 record otherwise, check.

Jacob DeGrom should be the NL Cy Young Award winner for 2018. Period.

Déjà Bru · 09-30-2018, 10:49 AM

This was interesting, I think, though I did not need the silly sabermetrics to tell me that Gooden's season was even more spectacular than DeGrom's this year. A look at the standard stats in the box in the upper right confirms this and it's not based just on wins and losses. (Click image for larger view.)

Westheim · 09-30-2018, 12:53 PM

I don't see the need to throw dirt here. Does the author go out and tell his dear aunt that this was a great apple pie, but not the best apple pie ever, to her face?

I guess the page had to be filled with *something*.

Unrelated, I just finished with the warmed-up version of last night's 13-inning, 1-0 win over the Marlins (how are they always playing the Marlins at the end of the year?) that was Captain Wright's last game, and now I am on everybody having post-sex smokes.

And I totally didn't cry. No I didn't! You're lying!

Déjà Bru · 09-30-2018, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Westheim

I don't see the need to throw dirt here. Does the author go out and tell his dear aunt that this was a great apple pie, but not the best apple pie ever, to her face?

I guess the page had to be filled with *something*.

Unrelated, I just finished with the warmed-up version of last night's 13-inning, 1-0 win over the Marlins (how are they always playing the Marlins at the end of the year?) that was Captain Wright's last game, and now I am on everybody having post-sex smokes.

And I totally didn't cry. No I didn't! You're lying!

Yes, from what I read, it was pretty poignant. David Wright was a very good player and apparently he is a very good man.

Déjà Bru · 12-01-2018, 11:31 AM

Too bad about Wilmer Flores (no contract offered, free agent now) but if you guys land Robinson Cano and Jeff McNeil becomes the backup (and McNeil is a better player than Flores), then poor Wilmer would definitely be expendable.

Westheim · 12-01-2018, 12:12 PM

Sigh. Wilmer was a folk hero around here, but let's be fair. He has no position in a league with NL rules, and he was prone to the most wicked injuries, like hitting a ball off his own nose.

Not sure how we want to pay for Cano especially. Not sure I even want Cano (and I even have him on my PT team!). They keep trying to plug the keystone gap with old players making lots of dough and it has not worked out so far…

Although MLB says they might get rid of Flay Flooze, and previously I was not sure you could trade him if you were ready to pay 110% of his salary and accept no more than a Kleenex the other GM sneezed into in return.

Edit: Haha, Cano is 36, comes off the PED suspension, and will make $120m until he's 40. I hate the new Mets GM and his guts already.

Elendil · 12-02-2018, 08:49 AM

Yeah, hard to know what the Mets are doing here. M's kicking in just $20ish million apparently, and the Mets are giving up two of their best prospects.

Déjà Bru · 12-02-2018, 09:19 AM

I'm not a Mets fan, so take this with a grain of salt, but this looks to be a good deal to me, especially since the Mets are also getting Edwin Diaz in the deal (57 saves, 1.96 ERA).

Let's see who they are giving up. Jay Bruce, who stinks (.223/9/37) and Anthony Swarzak, who stinks (0-2, 6.15) plus three prospects. Emphasis on the word "prospects" as in, unproven.

And, as always, I don't care about the money in a trade. It's not mine, naturally. If anything, this is their investment in free agency.

Sure, if you were in love with Jarred Kelenic, you are going to be disappointed. But it may just be that the Mets are not that far away from true respectability, even contention, given their starting pitching. If I were a Mets fan, I'd much rather see Kelenic go in this deal than Noah Syndergaard.

knightdreamer2k · 12-02-2018, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

I'm not a Mets fan, so take this with a grain of salt, but this looks to be a good deal to me, especially since the Mets are also getting Edwin Diaz in the deal (57 saves, 1.96 ERA).

Let's see who they are giving up. Jay Bruce, who stinks (.223/9/37) and Anthony Swarzak, who stinks (0-2, 6.15) plus three prospects. Emphasis on the word "prospects" as in, unproven.

And, as always, I don't care about the money in a trade. It's not mine, naturally. If anything, this is their investment in free agency.

Sure, if you were in love with Jarred Kelenic, you are going to be disappointed. But it may just be that the Mets are not that far away from true respectability, even contention, given their starting pitching. If I were a Mets fan, I'd much rather see Kelenic go in this deal than Noah Syndergaard.

I think with the Mets starting pitching they could be a contender with some offense. I can't say I completely like this trade as Cano is coming off roids and is 36 years old. I am not sure I see him being the missing piece, the closer they got is good though.

Westheim · 12-02-2018, 12:49 PM

Yes, Bruce and Swarzak were grabs in the toilet (Bruce twice, funnily), but those seem to be good prospects, and Cano is indeed *36*. How is this going to be different from Neil Walker and Asdrubal Cabrera the last few years? Veteran middle infielders that were constantly hobbled by injuries, and the Mets have a proven track record of downplaying their players' injuries and running them out even if they are visibly hurting. Or, well, Cespedes. How are they going to keep Cano healthy? It's madness.

That leaves $17m or so per year to Cano they have to pay themselves, whatever Diaz makes on top of that, and - oh, by the way - how are they going to pay deGrom and Syndergaard when they reach free agency?

This is a terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE deal.

But it sure fits the general Mets narrative well........

Elendil · 12-02-2018, 08:52 PM

Hey, at least if the Syndergaard trade rumors turn out to be false, Mets fans will have something to celebrate there, right? :P

Westheim · 12-03-2018, 02:37 PM

THERE IS STILL HOPE.

Cano wants to wear #24, which the Mets have not generally given out (except by accident to some no-name in the 90s) ever since Willie Mays took a bus around Shea on his way to retirement.

Oh please have a fallout over that one oh please have a fallout over that one oh please have a fallout over that one oh please have a fallout over -

swoboda · 12-03-2018, 04:16 PM

I had to read the article twice I can't believe they made this trade. It's just not fair..... to depress the fanbase this far ahead of spring training.... but why would we expect anything else?

swoboda · 12-03-2018, 04:16 PM

Cano sitting on the bench for 17 million a year age 38 now there's something to look forward to

swoboda · 12-03-2018, 04:23 PM

Whats next ? our two top prospects for Chase Utley?

Westheim · 12-03-2018, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swoboda

Whats next ? our two top prospects for Chase Utley?

(waves frantically while he falls backwards in his chair)

09-12-2018, 06:42 PM	#201
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,826	Even if he ends up 8-11 with a 1.73 ERA (my new projection) he has damn well earned the damn Cy Young. As well as the Nobel Peace Prize. And whatever Good Neighbor award you can get in Corona, just for not tainting the Gatorade barrel in the dugout with rat poison to really stick it to those damn team mates of his… Uah. Mets. -.- __________________ Portland Raccoons, 88 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

09-16-2018, 04:07 PM	#202
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,826	And the Mets betray deGrom again. I am not even surprised. Just pissed. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 88 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

09-16-2018, 04:21 PM	#203
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 10,785	And against Sale for only three innings, the kid gloves treatment which I guess you can't blame the Sox for that. At least DeGrom did not take the loss. __________________ - Bru

09-16-2018, 04:34 PM	#204
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,826	Also, the streak of starts with three runs or less conceded continues, now at 27. And the Tampa Bay shenanigans don't even start to count in that regard. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 88 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

09-27-2018, 01:39 PM	#205
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 10,785	DeGrom's last start of the year, 8 innings, 2 hits, no walks, no runs, 10 strikeouts (to get his career total to exactly 1,000 K's). Final record: 10-9 (double-digit wins and a winning record), check. Final ERA: 1.70 over 32 starts and 217 innings, best in the majors (nearest ERA competitor 2.45), check. Playing all year for a lousy team and probably would have a 20-9 record otherwise, check. Jacob DeGrom should be the NL Cy Young Award winner for 2018. Period. __________________ - Bru

09-30-2018, 10:49 AM	#206
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 10,785	This was interesting, I think, though I did not need the silly sabermetrics to tell me that Gooden's season was even more spectacular than DeGrom's this year. A look at the standard stats in the box in the upper right confirms this and it's not based just on wins and losses. (Click image for larger view.) Attached Images __________________ - Bru Last edited by Déjà Bru; 09-30-2018 at 10:51 AM.

09-30-2018, 12:53 PM	#207
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,826	I don't see the need to throw dirt here. Does the author go out and tell his dear aunt that this was a great apple pie, but not the best apple pie ever, to her face? I guess the page had to be filled with something. Unrelated, I just finished with the warmed-up version of last night's 13-inning, 1-0 win over the Marlins (how are they always playing the Marlins at the end of the year?) that was Captain Wright's last game, and now I am on everybody having post-sex smokes. And I totally didn't cry. No I didn't! You're lying! __________________ Portland Raccoons, 88 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here. Last edited by Westheim; 09-30-2018 at 12:57 PM.

12-01-2018, 11:31 AM	#209
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 10,785	Too bad about Wilmer Flores (no contract offered, free agent now) but if you guys land Robinson Cano and Jeff McNeil becomes the backup (and McNeil is a better player than Flores), then poor Wilmer would definitely be expendable. __________________ - Bru

12-01-2018, 12:12 PM	#210
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,826	Sigh. Wilmer was a folk hero around here, but let's be fair. He has no position in a league with NL rules, and he was prone to the most wicked injuries, like hitting a ball off his own nose. Not sure how we want to pay for Cano especially. Not sure I even want Cano (and I even have him on my PT team!). They keep trying to plug the keystone gap with old players making lots of dough and it has not worked out so far… Although MLB says they might get rid of Flay Flooze, and previously I was not sure you could trade him if you were ready to pay 110% of his salary and accept no more than a Kleenex the other GM sneezed into in return. Edit: Haha, Cano is 36, comes off the PED suspension, and will make $120m until he's 40. I hate the new Mets GM and his guts already. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 88 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here. Last edited by Westheim; 12-01-2018 at 12:15 PM.

12-02-2018, 08:49 AM	#211
Elendil Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the dynasty forum Posts: 2,318	Yeah, hard to know what the Mets are doing here. M's kicking in just $20ish million apparently, and the Mets are giving up two of their best prospects. __________________ Heaven is kicking back with a double Talisker and a churchwarden stuffed with latakia.

12-02-2018, 09:19 AM	#212
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 10,785	I'm not a Mets fan, so take this with a grain of salt, but this looks to be a good deal to me, especially since the Mets are also getting Edwin Diaz in the deal (57 saves, 1.96 ERA). Let's see who they are giving up. Jay Bruce, who stinks (.223/9/37) and Anthony Swarzak, who stinks (0-2, 6.15) plus three prospects. Emphasis on the word "prospects" as in, unproven. And, as always, I don't care about the money in a trade. It's not mine, naturally. If anything, this is their investment in free agency. Sure, if you were in love with Jarred Kelenic, you are going to be disappointed. But it may just be that the Mets are not that far away from true respectability, even contention, given their starting pitching. If I were a Mets fan, I'd much rather see Kelenic go in this deal than Noah Syndergaard. __________________ - Bru

12-02-2018, 12:49 PM	#214
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,826	Yes, Bruce and Swarzak were grabs in the toilet (Bruce twice, funnily), but those seem to be good prospects, and Cano is indeed 36. How is this going to be different from Neil Walker and Asdrubal Cabrera the last few years? Veteran middle infielders that were constantly hobbled by injuries, and the Mets have a proven track record of downplaying their players' injuries and running them out even if they are visibly hurting. Or, well, Cespedes. How are they going to keep Cano healthy? It's madness. That leaves $17m or so per year to Cano they have to pay themselves, whatever Diaz makes on top of that, and - oh, by the way - how are they going to pay deGrom and Syndergaard when they reach free agency? This is a terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE deal. But it sure fits the general Mets narrative well........ __________________ Portland Raccoons, 88 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

12-02-2018, 08:52 PM	#215
Elendil Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the dynasty forum Posts: 2,318	Hey, at least if the Syndergaard trade rumors turn out to be false, Mets fans will have something to celebrate there, right? :P __________________ Heaven is kicking back with a double Talisker and a churchwarden stuffed with latakia.

12-03-2018, 02:37 PM	#216
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,826	THERE IS STILL HOPE. Cano wants to wear #24, which the Mets have not generally given out (except by accident to some no-name in the 90s) ever since Willie Mays took a bus around Shea on his way to retirement. Oh please have a fallout over that one oh please have a fallout over that one oh please have a fallout over that one oh please have a fallout over - __________________ Portland Raccoons, 88 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

12-03-2018, 04:16 PM	#217
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,218	I had to read the article twice I can't believe they made this trade. It's just not fair..... to depress the fanbase this far ahead of spring training.... but why would we expect anything else? __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

12-03-2018, 04:16 PM	#218
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,218	Cano sitting on the bench for 17 million a year age 38 now there's something to look forward to __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

12-03-2018, 04:23 PM	#219
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,218	Whats next ? our two top prospects for Chase Utley? __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson