Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack

[tnfoto]

Originally Posted by KenRaffensberger16

Oscar's 'Fro' Days are over. He's seen holding his 1976
Topps Traded baseball card, documenting his trade from
Cleveland to the Yankees. He still cuts a trim figure as
seen in this recent photo. Gamble is now 65 and was
probably 25 or 26 in his baseball card photo.
Gamble had two 20 HR seasons with a career high 31 in 1977.
He hit an even 200 home runs, in 17 MLB seasons (1969-1985).
In one of the final games of his career before his release by the
White Sox in 1985, he had a big day at the plate to help
Tom Seaver get his 300th win (over his old team - the Yankees).
Photo: New York Daily News.

Here is the original photo, taken ca. 2008.

[Cusick]

Pitcher John F. "Jack" Wilson is shown in a Red Sox uniform. The source is eBay seller thecatspajamas99.

[Cusick]

Woody Jensen is shown in a Pirates' uniform. The source is a George Burke photo offered by eBay seller catspajamas99.

[Amazin69]

Here's Dave, trying to make the Angels in 1974. (The Orioles had sent him down to Rochester the year before, then traded him at mid-season for Jim Hutto.) He didn't, and never got back to the bigs.



(The black armband is in memory of relief pitcher Bruce Heinbechner, who was killed in a car crash coming back to the team hotel one night during camp.)

[hobbs11]

Well I didn't get the Larrin LaGrow as a Cardinal I was hoping for, and technically I still need a Laxton in his second stint as a Friar, but not a bad offering for players in specific unis as part of the early 'L' series....

Dan Larson - Houston
Maximino Leon - Atlanta in his last season
Bill Laxton - as a Padre in his first stop in '71 and as a Tiger

[Merkle923]

Two images - have to be from Spring Training, 1970 because Lazar's only appearance on a Topps card, from 1969 - shows him in an odd, dark blue White Sox cap.

17 appearances, three starts, for the '68 and '69 Sox.

[Merkle923]

By no stretch of the imagination a tough image to find given his 11-season stint as a premier lefthand reliever with the Giants, but who knew - looks like Topps shot him at some point during his childhood.

[FatJack]

Awesome picture of 1970 Seattle Pilot (hey, they were Pilots until April 1) George Lauzerique, who out dueled Catfish Hunter that spring.

[Cusick]

Charlie Uhlir is shown in a Chicago White Sox uniform. The source is a George Burke photo offered by eBay seller thecatspajamas99.

[tnfoto]

Originally Posted by Cusick

Woody Jensen is shown in a Pirates' uniform. The source is a George Burke photo offered by eBay seller catspajamas99.

Here is a much clearer version, courtesy of thecatspajamas.

[Merkle923]

That's not airbrushed.

[Merkle923]

That's clearly Candlestick Park behind him and a 1976 NL Centennial patch on his sleeve.

What would they be airbrushing on, and more importantly, what would they be airbrushing over?

[UKBaseballfan]

Originally Posted by tnfoto

Here is a much clearer version, courtesy of thecatspajamas.

The image is unlikely to be from 1931 as posted. I am using the Hall of Fame uniform base as my source. In 1931 the Pirates uniform had a P as a shoulder patch. There was no lettering across the chest and the sock design was different. See attachments for the 1931 home and road uniform.

1937 appears to me as a more likely date for the image.

[Merkle923]

Not to speak for anybody here but that construction in the subject line has traditionally referenced not the year of the image but the debut year of the player (in Jensen's case, 1931).

[tnfoto]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

The image is unlikely to be from 1931 as posted. I am using the Hall of Fame uniform base as my source. In 1931 the Pirates uniform had a P as a shoulder patch. There was no lettering across the chest and the sock design was different. See attachments for the 1931 home and road uniform.

1937 appears to me as a more likely date for the image.

Originally Posted by Merkle923

Not to speak for anybody here but that construction in the subject line has traditionally referenced not the year of the image but the debut year of the player (in Jensen's case, 1931).

You're absolutely correct, Merkle.

For those who are unfamiliar with forum titles and identification, the preferred title structure in this forum begins with the B-R.com/SABR player name and debut year. Personally I'll go a step beyond and include a middle initial or matrilineal name for those players who share the same first/last name. In all cases except for the Lee King 1916s, this first name + initial + last name + debut combination forms a complete player ID. The player ID is sometimes followed by a post description, which may include an acronym like UIN (Pegasus's Uniforms I Need) or abbreviations like UNI (a photo of the player in that uniform is not included in the Pegasus Batters/Pitchers pack but the player/uniform combination is not listed in the UIN list) or Alt Uni (a photo of the player in that uniform is already included in the Pegasus packs, but the posted image is an upgrade or alternate).

If you look at the file name of the posted Jensen image you'll see that it is identified as a 1937 photo.

[UKBaseballfan]

An image of the 1879 Cleveland baseball team from David Nemec's 19th century baseball encyclopedia, identified as the Cleveland Blues. The team has the same nickname applied in Baseball Reference.

Craig Brown on his pioneering site depicting 19th baseball uniforms identifies the 1879 team's uniform to be white and red. Note the cap on Charlie Eden's left thigh, sitting extreme left (allbeit in black and white). This poses the question as to why they were called the Blues. It is unlikely to be a legacy from previous years as 1879 was the team's first year in the National League. Also despite the noteworthy legacy to music within the city any connection with the city's musical heritage would seem to be inappropriate.

The answer lies in Lyle Spatz's, " Historical Dictionary of Baseball who quotes :-

"The Cleveland Blues were a team that played in the National League from 1879 to 1884. The Blues were originally called the Cleveland Forest Citys, the name used by the Cleveland club in the National Association in 1871 and 1872. Beginning in 1882, they began being called the Cleveland Blues because of their blue uniforms."

This would seem to indicate that only from 1882 should the team be known as the Blues and from 1879-1881 be more accurately known as the Cleveland Forest Citys.

[brobby05]

Would anybody have the original full size Brock Davis that was used for this card?


Thanks a million!


BRobby05

[Cusick]

I did some newspaper searches on 1879, and found that the Cleveland team was consistently referred to as the Forest Citys. In fact, there was one article which reported a proposed new Amateur team called the Cleveland Blues, so that name clearly did not apply to the major league team in that year.

On the other hand, there was some blue material on the Cleveland professional uniform in 1879. The following was taken from The Cincinnati Enquirer of April 19, 1879, and describes the Cleveland uniform:

[KenRaffensberger16]

Super Trivia: baseball-reference.com identifies
Jose Pirela, who was the last player to make his
MLB debut during the 2014 season, as the 18,400th
player to make their debut in major leagues baseball
history. (Just in case anyone Is keeping score). Pirela
debuted for the Yankees on September 22, 2014.

[UKBaseballfan]

Originally Posted by Cusick

I did some newspaper searches on 1879, and found that the Cleveland team was consistently referred to as the Forest Citys. In fact, there was one article which reported a proposed new Amateur team called the Cleveland Blues, so that name clearly did not apply to the major league team in that year.

On the other hand, there was some blue material on the Cleveland professional uniform in 1879. The following was taken from The Cincinnati Enquirer of April 19, 1879, and describes the Cleveland uniform:

Thank you for your detailed research. In response to the April 1879 quote all I can respond with is the evidence presented by the 1879 team photo. No sign of Cleveland on the uniform. No evidence of a check suit. A cap with 2 hoops not plain white. It is my understanding that Craig's color uniform evidence was from a Chicago newspaper dated March 1879 so the fact that your have unearthed information from a more local source and from a date nearer to the commencement of the season would appear to have stronger weight, notwithstanding the pictorial evidence I quoted before.