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Merkle923 · 07-16-2015, 03:44 PM

Next to nothing of him in an A's uniform (1978) - wrapping up a very productive day for fans of obscure names at Topps Vault

rico43 · 07-16-2015, 06:12 PM

From the newest Vault releases....
Who knew Jason Statham was ever in a big league camp???

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Ctrane · 07-16-2015, 07:05 PM

Hans Lobert - 1903 --- ca 1918 Giants

Merkle923 · 07-16-2015, 07:41 PM

Eleven games with the Giants in '63 constituted his entire career but he was in camp nearly annually and was thought a cinch for the '66 staff when the above photo - and this one - were taken.

cinemaodyssey · 07-17-2015, 02:07 AM

Merkle, I would like to thank you for the images of the early ballplayers you posted. They far exceed the ones I had in my possession. If you have any more (like Ross Barnes or Dave Birdsall) I would greatly appreciate any additional posts.

Merkle923 · 07-17-2015, 11:49 AM

Thank you - I do; those players, specifically (two different of Birdsall I believe). I'm trying to get them cleaned up and posted by next week.

Merkle923 · 07-17-2015, 01:48 PM

Had a little time, so to start, here's Birdsall, right fielder on the first Boston Red Stockings team, a .303 hitter who plummeted statistically to .211 the next year and was out of the National Association by May 17, 1873 and never again reached the majors as a player (though he served as an umpire in 1874).

The two Birdsall Mort Rogers scorecards tell the story of the product as a business disaster. Nearly all examples are priced at 10 cents - a lot when a good seat at the game could be had for 50 cents - but a few are marked at 5 cents. It's believed but not certain that Rogers lost most of his shirt in 1871 and came back with a cheaper version at half the price some time in 1872 (the confusion stems from the fact the Andy Leonard scorecard shown previously could only be from 1872 or later, and yet it is priced at 10 cents - maybe Rogers' response to the economics was to start at a nickel and go up to a dime!)

The first Birdsall card is priced at 10 cents, and is presumed to be from '71, and the second is priced at 5 cents, and is presumed to be from '72. Not certain that Rogers had new photographs taken for every player in 1872 but there's at least a chance we're seeing Birdsall images from each season (the presence of the tie in one but not in the other implies that, but again, it's all guesswork).

Merkle923 · 07-17-2015, 11:23 PM

If the Hall of Fame had a wing for short career superstars, Roscoe Barnes might be the first player inducted. In six full seasons - five with Boston of the NA and then one with Chicago in the first year of the NL, Barnes had four .400 seasons (three of .429 or higher), won three batting titles, had an OPS+ of 185 during his span in Boston, and one of 235 in Chicago in 1876, and amassed a WAR of 24.8

Barnes' success was largely due to the "fair-foul hit." He would chop down on a pitched ball at such an angle that the ball would land fair, then bounce foul - which under the rules of the time, was a fair ball.

Merkle923 · 07-17-2015, 11:27 PM

Identified on the Rogers scorecard as the "Tenth Man," Sam Jackson played 15 games as a second baseman and five in other rules in a career with the Boston Red Stockings that lasted two days shy of a calendar year.

Merkle923 · 07-17-2015, 11:37 PM

The last of the Rogers scorecard images shows the tallest man, and the only native of Cincinnati, on the 1869 Red Stockings. Charlie Gould wasn't much of a hitter, but in the days in which defensive success was almost random, he was a large and reliable target at first base and earned the nickname "Bushel Basket."

Ironically, he may have made the most famous error in the history of pre-National Association baseball. With Cincinnati and Brooklyn tied at 7 in the bottom of the 11th of their famous game of June 14, 1870, Gould butchered a ground ball and then tried to get the batter at second, only to throw the ball into left field as the winning run scored and the Red Stockings' two-season streak of at least 83 wins in a row was snapped.

Gould would also be the first manager of an NL Cincinnati team, in 1876.

cinemaodyssey · 07-17-2015, 11:44 PM

All of these are beautiful upgrades to what's currently out there! And Ross Barnes needs to be in the Hall of Fame. He completely dominated his competition for the majority of his career.

Ctrane · 07-18-2015, 07:02 PM

Pol Perritt - 1912 ---ca 1918 Giants

Merkle923 · 07-19-2015, 02:22 AM

After a couple of days of staring at this Topps Vault upload it finally dawned on me who this was: Matt Stark, catcher/DH of the '87 Jays, and late briefly the White Sox and the infamous Replacement Yankees of Spring Training 1995 (by which point he was well over 300 pounds).

Scarce in any big league uniform, especially Toronto's.

Merkle923 · 07-19-2015, 06:50 PM

This is the first of a small batch of images used by the S.F. Hess company in its photographic series of California League players dating to 1888 or 1889.

Several of the players graduated to the majors, including pitcher George Borchers, brought to Chicago by Cap Anson to join the rotation of the White Stockings at age 19 in 1888. Borchers only lasted ten starts, then went back to the Coast (he's shown here in the uniform of the Greenhood & Morans team of Oakland). He made one more cameo with the 1895 Louisville Colonels, and continued to play in California until at least 1903.

Baseball-Reference reports that Borchers operated a dairy in Sacramento for 40 years and that his grave there "is one of the highlights of the Old City Cemetery's Beer and Baseball Tour."

Merkle923 · 07-19-2015, 07:00 PM

McDonald completed a tour of three different major leagues even though his career lasted less than 16 calendar months.

He broke in as a catcher with the Washington Nationals of the one-season Union Association in 1884, moved to Pittsburgh of the American Association later the same year as a third baseman, and finished up with a handful of late-season games with the 1885 Buffalo Bisons of the National League.

His minor league career had begun in San Francisco no later than 1878 and lasted until 1894, and his stay with Oakland's Greenhood & Morans in 1888 was commemorated on three separate baseball cards: the S.F. Hess shown here, an Old Judge, and the Gypsy Queen shown here, which is a part of a set undiscovered until 2001 in which there are only three players known.

Merkle923 · 07-19-2015, 07:12 PM

In the chaos of the 1884 season, Charlie Geggus (or, as he often spelled it, Gagus), leaped from St. Mary's College and the semi-pro teams of the San Francisco Bay Area, first into the minor Eastern League, and then the pitching rotation (with cameos in the outfield) of the Union Association Washington Nationals.

He appears in minor league records from 1881 through 1889, and as the card indicates, we show him as a second baseman with the Haverlys of San Francisco in 1888.

SDL · 07-20-2015, 12:03 AM

Went to get some stuff printed out at my local Office Depot today, but their printer was out, so I had to go to the next nearest one...about 5 miles from my house. I'm getting some baseball pics to get signed at a GCL game and they guy helping me is looking at one of the pics. Told him I collected memorabilai as a hobby. He asked my if I had any Chuck Hiller. Told him I had Chuck's '68 card when I was a kid. Turns out the guy helping me is Chick Hiller's son.

Are there any Chuck Hiller Topps vault pics floating around, as well as some from his Phillies days?

FatJack · 07-20-2015, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDL

Went to get some stuff printed out at my local Office Depot today, but their printer was out, so I had to go to the next nearest one...about 5 miles from my house. I'm getting some baseball pics to get signed at a GCL game and they guy helping me is looking at one of the pics. Told him I collected memorabilai as a hobby. He asked my if I had any Chuck Hiller. Told him I had Chuck's '68 card when I was a kid. Turns out the guy helping me is Chick Hiller's son.

Are there any Chuck Hiller Topps vault pics floating around, as well as some from his Phillies days?

Haven't seen any Vault images of Chuck with the Phillies. There are quite a few Mets images, though, and a few from the Giants.

Merkle923 · 07-20-2015, 01:45 AM

Regarding Chuck Hiller, Topps did not shoot him with the Phils in 1967 nor the Pirates in 1968 because the Players' Association boycott was already in full swing. There is a Brace image of Hiller with Philly and a small black and white image of him in the Pirates' '68 yearbook.

SDL · 07-20-2015, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatJack

Haven't seen any Vault images of Chuck with the Phillies. There are quite a few Mets images, though, and a few from the Giants.

Thanks! his son is going to love these!

07-16-2015, 03:44 PM	#25701
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,122	Steve Staggs 1977 Next to nothing of him in an A's uniform (1978) - wrapping up a very productive day for fans of obscure names at Topps Vault Attached Images

07-16-2015, 06:12 PM	#25702
rico43 Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chattanooga and Internet Posts: 476 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	What a revelation! From the newest Vault releases.... Who knew Jason Statham was ever in a big league camp???

07-16-2015, 07:05 PM	#25703
Ctrane Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Newington, CT Posts: 2,295	Hans Lobert - 1903 --- ca 1918 Giants Attached Images

07-16-2015, 07:41 PM	#25704
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,122	That's Al Stanek 1963 Eleven games with the Giants in '63 constituted his entire career but he was in camp nearly annually and was thought a cinch for the '66 staff when the above photo - and this one - were taken. Attached Images

07-17-2015, 02:07 AM	#25705
cinemaodyssey All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,975	Mort Rogers Scorecards Merkle, I would like to thank you for the images of the early ballplayers you posted. They far exceed the ones I had in my possession. If you have any more (like Ross Barnes or Dave Birdsall) I would greatly appreciate any additional posts.

07-17-2015, 11:49 AM	#25706
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,122	Thank you - I do; those players, specifically (two different of Birdsall I believe). I'm trying to get them cleaned up and posted by next week.

07-17-2015, 01:48 PM	#25707
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,122	Dave Birdsall 1871 Had a little time, so to start, here's Birdsall, right fielder on the first Boston Red Stockings team, a .303 hitter who plummeted statistically to .211 the next year and was out of the National Association by May 17, 1873 and never again reached the majors as a player (though he served as an umpire in 1874). The two Birdsall Mort Rogers scorecards tell the story of the product as a business disaster. Nearly all examples are priced at 10 cents - a lot when a good seat at the game could be had for 50 cents - but a few are marked at 5 cents. It's believed but not certain that Rogers lost most of his shirt in 1871 and came back with a cheaper version at half the price some time in 1872 (the confusion stems from the fact the Andy Leonard scorecard shown previously could only be from 1872 or later, and yet it is priced at 10 cents - maybe Rogers' response to the economics was to start at a nickel and go up to a dime!) The first Birdsall card is priced at 10 cents, and is presumed to be from '71, and the second is priced at 5 cents, and is presumed to be from '72. Not certain that Rogers had new photographs taken for every player in 1872 but there's at least a chance we're seeing Birdsall images from each season (the presence of the tie in one but not in the other implies that, but again, it's all guesswork). Last edited by Merkle923; 08-01-2017 at 11:06 PM.

07-17-2015, 11:23 PM	#25708
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,122	Ross Barnes 1871 If the Hall of Fame had a wing for short career superstars, Roscoe Barnes might be the first player inducted. In six full seasons - five with Boston of the NA and then one with Chicago in the first year of the NL, Barnes had four .400 seasons (three of .429 or higher), won three batting titles, had an OPS+ of 185 during his span in Boston, and one of 235 in Chicago in 1876, and amassed a WAR of 24.8 Barnes' success was largely due to the "fair-foul hit." He would chop down on a pitched ball at such an angle that the ball would land fair, then bounce foul - which under the rules of the time, was a fair ball. Last edited by Merkle923; 08-01-2017 at 11:06 PM.

07-17-2015, 11:27 PM	#25709
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,122	Sam Jackson 1871 Identified on the Rogers scorecard as the "Tenth Man," Sam Jackson played 15 games as a second baseman and five in other rules in a career with the Boston Red Stockings that lasted two days shy of a calendar year. Last edited by Merkle923; 08-01-2017 at 11:06 PM.

07-17-2015, 11:37 PM	#25710
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,122	Charlie Gould 1871 The last of the Rogers scorecard images shows the tallest man, and the only native of Cincinnati, on the 1869 Red Stockings. Charlie Gould wasn't much of a hitter, but in the days in which defensive success was almost random, he was a large and reliable target at first base and earned the nickname "Bushel Basket." Ironically, he may have made the most famous error in the history of pre-National Association baseball. With Cincinnati and Brooklyn tied at 7 in the bottom of the 11th of their famous game of June 14, 1870, Gould butchered a ground ball and then tried to get the batter at second, only to throw the ball into left field as the winning run scored and the Red Stockings' two-season streak of at least 83 wins in a row was snapped. Gould would also be the first manager of an NL Cincinnati team, in 1876. Last edited by Merkle923; 08-01-2017 at 11:06 PM.

07-17-2015, 11:44 PM	#25711
cinemaodyssey All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,975	Ross Barnes All of these are beautiful upgrades to what's currently out there! And Ross Barnes needs to be in the Hall of Fame. He completely dominated his competition for the majority of his career.

07-18-2015, 07:02 PM	#25712
Ctrane Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Newington, CT Posts: 2,295	Pol Perritt - 1912 ---ca 1918 Giants Attached Images

07-19-2015, 02:22 AM	#25713
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,122	Matt Stark 1987 After a couple of days of staring at this Topps Vault upload it finally dawned on me who this was: Matt Stark, catcher/DH of the '87 Jays, and late briefly the White Sox and the infamous Replacement Yankees of Spring Training 1995 (by which point he was well over 300 pounds). Scarce in any big league uniform, especially Toronto's. Attached Images

07-19-2015, 06:50 PM	#25714
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,122	George Borchers 1888 This is the first of a small batch of images used by the S.F. Hess company in its photographic series of California League players dating to 1888 or 1889. Several of the players graduated to the majors, including pitcher George Borchers, brought to Chicago by Cap Anson to join the rotation of the White Stockings at age 19 in 1888. Borchers only lasted ten starts, then went back to the Coast (he's shown here in the uniform of the Greenhood & Morans team of Oakland). He made one more cameo with the 1895 Louisville Colonels, and continued to play in California until at least 1903. Baseball-Reference reports that Borchers operated a dairy in Sacramento for 40 years and that his grave there "is one of the highlights of the Old City Cemetery's Beer and Baseball Tour." Last edited by Merkle923; 08-01-2017 at 11:07 PM.

07-19-2015, 07:00 PM	#25715
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,122	Jim McDonald 1884 McDonald completed a tour of three different major leagues even though his career lasted less than 16 calendar months. He broke in as a catcher with the Washington Nationals of the one-season Union Association in 1884, moved to Pittsburgh of the American Association later the same year as a third baseman, and finished up with a handful of late-season games with the 1885 Buffalo Bisons of the National League. His minor league career had begun in San Francisco no later than 1878 and lasted until 1894, and his stay with Oakland's Greenhood & Morans in 1888 was commemorated on three separate baseball cards: the S.F. Hess shown here, an Old Judge, and the Gypsy Queen shown here, which is a part of a set undiscovered until 2001 in which there are only three players known. Last edited by Merkle923; 08-01-2017 at 11:07 PM.

07-19-2015, 07:12 PM	#25716
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,122	Charlie Geggus 1884 In the chaos of the 1884 season, Charlie Geggus (or, as he often spelled it, Gagus), leaped from St. Mary's College and the semi-pro teams of the San Francisco Bay Area, first into the minor Eastern League, and then the pitching rotation (with cameos in the outfield) of the Union Association Washington Nationals. He appears in minor league records from 1881 through 1889, and as the card indicates, we show him as a second baseman with the Haverlys of San Francisco in 1888. Last edited by Merkle923; 08-01-2017 at 11:07 PM.

07-20-2015, 12:03 AM	#25717
SDL Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 257	Went to get some stuff printed out at my local Office Depot today, but their printer was out, so I had to go to the next nearest one...about 5 miles from my house. I'm getting some baseball pics to get signed at a GCL game and they guy helping me is looking at one of the pics. Told him I collected memorabilai as a hobby. He asked my if I had any Chuck Hiller. Told him I had Chuck's '68 card when I was a kid. Turns out the guy helping me is Chick Hiller's son. Are there any Chuck Hiller Topps vault pics floating around, as well as some from his Phillies days?

07-20-2015, 01:45 AM	#25719
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,122	Regarding Chuck Hiller, Topps did not shoot him with the Phils in 1967 nor the Pirates in 1968 because the Players' Association boycott was already in full swing. There is a Brace image of Hiller with Philly and a small black and white image of him in the Pirates' '68 yearbook.