Historical MLB/Minors roster and db issues go here

[Habsfan18]

Originally Posted by Spritze

Dutch E Leonard or Dutch H Leonard?

Dutch E Leonard.

[Habsfan18]

Ah, the database in the game had his first season as 1932. Now I'm seeing he played in the minors as early as 1930. Sorry guys, my mistake.

I'm fairly new to historical sims so I'm still learning the ropes.

[Ravi]

Originally Posted by Habsfan18

Ah, the database in the game had his first season as 1932. Now I'm seeing he played in the minors as early as 1930. Sorry guys, my mistake.

I'm fairly new to historical sims so I'm still learning the ropes.

It's a good question. I don't play with a draft and without the draft I'm guessing that he would normally import in 1932 to Decatur in the IIIL, even though he played for Decatur in 1931 (and other teams), because apparently 1932 was the first year there were affiliations in the IIIL. Which explains why the earlier years aren't shown under the Real Life Stats tab, since OOTP doesn't include the data until there is at least one affiliate.

[pstrickert]

Denny O'Toole appears twice on the 1973 Chicago White Sox roster.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

Denny O'Toole appears twice on the 1973 Chicago White Sox roster.

All the O'anybodys have been fixed. Lahman dropped the ' from the ID's while Bbref uses them. We now adhere to BBref.

[pstrickert]

J.R. Richard appears twice on the 1973 Houston Astros roster.

[Autumn_Lion]

Yes, I'm a big fan of Bill James (not that I can claim that I'm an expert on all of his formulas). And I completely agree that a team's won-loss record in a given year is always going to contain a certain element of luck. I just felt, and I still feel, that OOTP's simulation can be off base on certain historical teams, especially since the new version was just released and bugs are still being fixed. My assessment is that the 1922 Chisox were not really a good enough team to win 77 games without a lot of luck ... based on a look at their roster, plus their record the following season, I think they were already enjoying a large helping of luck to win 77 games in 1922. But in the OOTP simulation, they're consistently winning MORE than 77 games, sometimes significantly more. So I think that there are some incorrect ratings on that team. I could be wrong, of course. And like I said before, it's really not that big of a deal. I'm going to do more testing of historical seasons and see what I get. The game is fun, which is the bottom line. But to me, it's more fun if I feel like it's really giving me realistic results.

[Ravi]

BBref doubled record:

Lefty Vinci (vinci-001lau)
Louis Vinci (vinci-001lou)

Background: Vinci signed with Sacramento (PCL) just prior to the 1924 season. He started the season with Sacramento, was loaned to Shreveport (TL) in mid-June and was called back to Sacramento in late August or September.

Sources: The Seattle Daily Times, 06-19-1924, Page 22 (see below); various Sporting News articles and box scores

[Habsfan18]

Sorry if known, but J D Drew and J.D. Drew were both drafted in 1998 in my historical sim.

[Ravi]

Cecil Coombs (coombce01, coombs001cec)
C. Coombs (coombs001c--)

Harry Schwab (schwab001har)
Schwab (schwab006---)

Background: As confirmed by local press reports, veteran outfielder Cecil Coombs played for Wichita (TL) in 1924 then was hired as player/manager for Marshall (ETXL) in 1925.

If you are wondering why the 2nd Coombs record has him at 1B, it is because Wichita 1b starter Harry Schwab broke his ankle at the start of the 1924 season and Coombs had to fill in. For Harry Schwab playing at Beaumont (TL) in 1925 see below from Dallas Morning News (4-10-25).

[pvtitan21]

I playing a historical replay for the Padres.
I'm currently at Opening Day in 1970.
The Padres should have three minor league teams.
When I go to the LISTED: PLAYERS IN ENTIRE ORGANIZATION I only have about 33 players listed.
I am using USE REAL TRANSACTIONS.
Any ideas where all my players are?

[pstrickert]

Real minor leagues cannot be enabled if you use real transactions (and vice versa).

[David Watts]

Not a bug, just a question and I figured this would be a great place to get it answered, mainly because this is where Spritze dwells. Say while playing with real minors one of these "Ballplayer" named cats makes it to the big leagues. Will it mess anything up if I give him a first name other than ballplayer?

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Not a bug, just a question and I figured this would be a great place to get it answered, mainly because this is where Spritze dwells. Say while playing with real minors one of these "Ballplayer" named cats makes it to the big leagues. Will it mess anything up if I give him a first name other than ballplayer?

Not as long as you do not name him "Banana Nose", that is reserved.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Spritze

Not as long as you do not name him "Banana Nose", that is reserved.

I'm partial to the names Gern and Opie

[Spritze]

Ravi: Players have been combined, won't be in the next patch but will be in the one after that.

[Ravi]

Originally Posted by Spritze

Ravi: Players have been combined, won't be in the next patch but will be in the one after that.

Thanks so much Spritze. And no rush, this is a long-term project

I have a bunch more to post for the TL in 1924 and then plan on reviewing rosters for the TL in 1919 when OOTP picks up the league and moving forward. I'll continue to post names/BBref IDs and short explanation in this thread, but will use the blog section for more details on the players involved and reference sources.

Eventually, I'm convinced that we can consolidate most of the records for these minors, find the real names for the "ballplayers" and essentially make OOTP a truly unique resource for these leagues.

[groberts619]

I couldn't help but notice, when customizing minor league teams for two new MLB expansion teams for my 2017 season, that so much of the Minor League info is not up to date. For example, in the AA Eastern League, it is still structured as the Northern Division and Southern Division, when in 2010 the two divisions were renamed and restructured to the Eastern Division and Western Division. This structure has been used ever since. Also, the A+ Northwest League is divided into the East Division and West Division, when in real life, it is currently divided into the North Division and South Division, with teams assigned to a division based on their location in the region. So, for example the Vancouver Canadians would be in the North Division, instead of the West Division as it is in the game, and etc.

I also found that some of the stadiums for several minor league teams are inaccurate. For example, the A+ Lynchburg Hillcats are set up as playing in Ed Smith Stadium. Ed Smith Stadium is really in Sarasota, FL and the Lynchburg Hillcats currently play in Calvin Falwell Field in Lynchburg. The A+ Carolina Mudcats are also set up as playing in Grainger Stadium. Grainger Stadium is located in Kinston, NC and the Mudcats currently play in Five County Stadium in Zebulon, NC. There hasn't been a Major League affiliate in Kinston since 2011, before the team moved to Zebulon and became the Carolina Mudcats. And the West Virginia Black Bears are still set up as playing in Russell Diethrick Park. Russell Diethrick Park is located in Jamestown, NY. The Black Bears currently play in Monogalia County Ballpark in Granville, WV. Understandable considering the Jamestown Jammers moved and became the Black Bears in 2015.

There are probably other inaccuracies, but I simply don't have the time to check, that should be OOTP Development's job to keep the info up to date. Of course, I fix the errors as I play along as some of the stadiums mentioned are hidden in the database, but it would be convenient if the info was up to date so I wouldn't have to worry about inaccurate info, and the game could have even more of real feel. Just a suggestion.

[swampdragon]

Originally Posted by Ravi

Thanks so much Spritze. And no rush, this is a long-term project

I have a bunch more to post for the TL in 1924 and then plan on reviewing rosters for the TL in 1919 when OOTP picks up the league and moving forward. I'll continue to post names/BBref IDs and short explanation in this thread, but will use the blog section for more details on the players involved and reference sources.

Eventually, I'm convinced that we can consolidate most of the records for these minors, find the real names for the "ballplayers" and essentially make OOTP a truly unique resource for these leagues.

It was BBref that decided there were two Coombs who played back to back in the Texas League. That was a good catch on your part. You're absolutely right that this is a long term project. But I really like going through the old Sporting News issues and learning about the careers of these players I never heard of before the release of OOTP 17. Post a link to your blog when you get started. I'm interested in your results.

[Spritze]

619:

I'll make these noted changes.

I am sure there are many thousands of inaccuracies. We are only as accurate as our sources and they are not all that accurate.

OOTP employees simply have no time to check and the minor leagues were added on a volunteer basis by volunteers who volunteered and have real jobs and real lives and families so the info cannot be up to date.

You will need to keep worrying. It is good for the soul.