Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack

[FatJack]

Originally Posted by hobbs11

Have to ask because this is well outside my photo id'ing sweet spot: So in this pic Harry would be about 30 years old?

29.

Here's Sir Harry with the other New York team. He was theirs in 1957 though he did not play for the varsity in the regular season.

[hobbs11]

Originally Posted by FatJack

29.

Here's Sir Harry with the other New York team. He was theirs in 1957 though he did not play for the varsity in the regular season.

I believe you. I was more enthralled with the fact that he was actually under 30 in the pic. Now the more I stare it, it seems like a cross between Roger Craig and Doug Rader is staring back.

[FatJack]

Today's final image from the Vault (so far, at least) is Rich Chiles with the Astros. Could a respectable Mets Chiles be forthcoming? (Yeah, I know the Vault previously gave us a tiny crappy Mets Chiles; please don't torture me by posting that one).

[rico43]

Thanks to all for leaving that headline for me! Three-year, three-team catcher Steve Christmas (Reds 1983, White Sox 1984, Cubs 1986) has a pair of TV images from his first stop. While he was a mainstay in Triple-A sets during his playing career, no major league card was made.

Happy holidays! The Vault is open.

[BklynJace]

(Ah well, Bob Cerv. Still a great portrait that deserved a cleanup.)

[custard48]

How are you all able to get the Topps Vault releases before they appear on ebay? Is there a link for this?

Thanks in advance.

[Merkle923]

The above Yankee and Met batter is long time outfielder Bob Cerv and NOT Harry Chiti.

Chiti would never have appeared in Yankee Stadium in a Yankee uniform, nor in spring training with the Mets (he was obtained from Cleveland and returned in midseason 1962). The photos of Cerv wearing white undersleeves is from his abortive stint with the Mets in Spring Training 1963. Topps in fact shot Chiti at the Polo Grounds, probably in May, 1962.

I appreciate they both have craggy faces but Chiti was well known for his near mono-brow:

[rico43]

FOLDER GZ

001-004 Darrell Chaney
005-006 Craig Chamberlain
007-010 Dave Chalk
011-012 Ray Chadwick
013-016 Bob Cerv
017-018 Ron Cash
019-020 Jack Clark (Red Sox)
021-022 Pete Cimino
023-024 Morris Cigar (Angels min.)
025-026 Steve Christmas
027-028 Bob Christian
029-030 Larry Christenson
031-032 Bruce Christensen
033-034 Pat Cristelli
035-036 Neil Chrisley
037-038 Mike Chris (this time for sure)
039-040 Rich Chiles
041-044 Rick Dempsey
045-046 Tony Chevez
047-048 Joe Cherry
049-050 Steve Chilcott
051-052 Nelson Chittum
053-054 Pete Charton
055-056 Harry Chappas
057-058 Kelvin Chapman
059-060 Charlie Chant
061-062 Ron Clark
063-066 Ty Cline
067-070 Reggie Cleveland
071-072 Bob Chlupsa
073-074 Ossie Chavarria
075-078 Bruce Sutter
079-080 Bucky Dent
081-082 John Smoltz
083-084 Darren Daulton
085-086 Bob Clear
087-090 Tony Cloninger
091-094 Lou Clinton
095-098 Ken Clay
099-100 Ryan Sandberg
101 Dave Campbell
102 Ron Campbell
103 Wayne Cage
104 Les Cain
105-106 Mike Caldwell
107 Johnny Callison
108 Dick Calmus
109 Rick Camp
110 Jim Campanis
111 Steve Busby
112 Jim Burton
113-114 Darrell Chaney
115-116 Dave Chalk
117 Bill Castro
118 Doug Capilla
119 Bob Cerv
120 Cesar Cedeno
121-124 Doug DeCinces
125-126 Rickey Clark
127-128 Terry Clark
129-130 Jerry Clark (Clev. min.)
131-134 Lance Clemons
135-136 Marty Clary
137-140 Horace Clarke
141-142 Dave Collins
143-144 Robert Colligan
145-146 Rip Coleman
147-150 Joe Coleman
151-152 Gordy Coleman
153-154 Randy Cohen
155-156 Frank Coggins
157-158 Roger Coe (Padres min.)
159-160 Dick Cole
161-162 Don Collins
163-164 Dick Cole
165-166 Bobby Clark
167-168 Doug Clarey
169-172 Jim Colbrunn
173-174 Vince Colbert
175-176 Larry Colton
17-178 Bobby Clark
179-180 Bryan Clark
181-182 Gene Conley
183-184 Jeff Conner (Det. min.)
185-188 Danny Coombs
189-190 Jimmy Cooney
191-192 Wayne Comer
193-194 Geoff Combe
195-196 Bob Coluccio
197-198 Larry Colton
199-200 Loyd Colson
201-202 Cliff Cook
203-204 Jim Constable
205-206 Ron Cook
207-208 Don Cooper
209-210 Walker Cooperf
211-212 David Cone
213-214 Onix Concepcion
215-216 Clint Compton
217-218 Mike Compton
219-220 Steve Comer
221-222 Enos Cabell
223 John Buzhardt
224 Tom Butters
225-226 Ray Burris
227 Ray Busse
228 Cecil Butler
229 Tom Buskey
230 Ellis Burton
231 Jeff Burroughs
232 Dave Collins
233-234 Joe Coleman
235 Vince Colbert
236 Alan Closter
237 Dave Collins
238 Kevin Collins
239 Pete Burnside
240 Gordy Coleman
241-242 Terry Cornutt
243-246 Wes Covington
247-248 Jeff Cornell
249-250 Mardie Cornejo
251-252 Mike Corkins
253-256 Mark Corey
257-260 Tim Corcoran
261-262 Doug Corbett
263-264 Sherman Corbett
265-266 Buddy Copeland (Oak. min.)
267-268 Raul Colon (Det. min.)
269-270 Kevin Collins
271-272 Mike Cosgrove
273-274 Remy Hermoso
275-278 Ron Herbel
279-280 Bill Henry
281-282 Billy Cowan
283-284 Clint Courtney (283 rev. neg.)
285-286 Marlan Coughtry
287-288 Chuck Cottier
289-290 Eugeniuo Cotes (Pit. min)
291-292 Ray Cosey
293-294 Bob Hendley
295-298 Vic Correll
299-300 Joe Costello (SF min)
301-302 Mike Hedund
303-306 Richie Hebner
307-308 Dave Heaverlo
309-310 Phil Hennigan
311-312 Tom Henke
313-316 Elrod Hendricks
317-320 George Hendrick
321-322 Steve Henderson
323-326 Ken Henderson
327-328 Jim York
329-332 Clyde Wright
333-334 Leo Hernandez
335-336 Jackie Hernandez
337-340 Enzo Hernandez
341-344 Mike Hargrove
345-346 Alan Hargeshiemer
347-350 Steve Hargan
351-352 Larry Hardy
353-354 Joe Henderson
355-356 Solly Hemus
357-360 Woodie Held
361-364 Bob Heise
365-366 Tom Heintzelman
367-368 Ken Heintzelman
369-370 Jack Heidemann
371-374 Mike Hegan
375-378 Jim Hegan
379-380 Bob Heffner
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381-382 Alonzo Harris
383-384 Brian Harper
385-386 John Harrell
387-390 Toby Harrah
391-392 Billy Harris
393-394 Terry Harmon
395-396 Jim Ray Hart
397-400 Bud Harrelson
401-404 Roric Harrison
405-408 Larry Harlow
409-410 Bill Harrelson
411-414 Luman Harris
415-416 John Harris
417-420 Vic Harris
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444 Jackie Collum
445-446 Tony Cloninger
447 Bob Coluccio
448 Steve Comer
449 Mike Compton
450 Billy Consolo
451 Mike Corkins
452 Ray Corbin
453 Rip Coleman
454 Jim Constable
455 Gene Conley
456 Ron Herbel
457 Billy Cowan
458 Marlan Coughtry
459 Ron Cook
460 George Headrick
461 Steve Hargan
462 Terry Harmon
463 Mike Hargrove
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466-467 Neal Heaton
468-469 Dave Heath (Cal. min)
470-471 Bill Heath
472-473 Roger Hayward (Pitt. min)
474-477 Cesar Gutierrez
478-479 Glenn Gulliver
480-483 Brad Gulden
484-485 Reggie Jackson
486-487 Hal Haydel
488-489 Brad Havens
490-491 Tom Hausman
492-495 Andy Hassler
496-497 Paul Hartzell
498-499 John Hartenstein
500-503 Don Gullett
504-505 Nolan Ryan
506-507 Don Gutteridge
508-509 Jackie Gutierrez
510-511 Joe Hague
512-513 Harvey Haddix
514-515 Bill Haas (Mets Min.)
516-517 Albert Hall
518-521 Jerry Hairston
522-525 Johnny Hale
526-527 Moose Haas
528-529 Santiago Guzman
530-531 Denny Haines (Oak. min.)
532-533 Don Hahn
534-537 Jim Ray Hart
538-541 Larry Gura
542-545 Ed Halicki
546-547 Toby Harrah
548 Larry Harlow
549-550 Vic Correll
551 Santiago Guzman
552 Don Gutteridge
553 Larry Gura
554-555 Don Gullett
556 Bud Harrelson
557 Alonzo Harris
558 Chuck Harrison
559-560 Jim Ray Hart
561 Chuck Hartenstein
562 Bill Heath
563 Skip Guinn
564 Cesar Gutierrez
565 Joe Hague
566-567 Randy Hammon (Giants min.)
568-571 Steve Hamilton
572-575 Rich Hand
576-579 Jack Hamilton
580-581 Steve Hamrick
582-585 Ike Hampton
586-587 Preston Hanna
588-591 Dave Hamilton
592-593 Roger Hambright
594-597 Tom Haller
598-601 Tom Hall
602-605 Jim Hardin
606-609 Dick Hall
610-611 Mel Harder
612-613 Ron Hansen
614-615 Jim Hannan
616-617 Doug DeCinces
618-621 Larry Haney
622-625 Bill Hands
626-629 Tom Griffin
630-631 Cecilio Guante
632-633 Don Gross
634-635 Jeff Grose (NYM min.)
636-639 Richie Zisk
640-643 Chris Zachary
644-645 Hal McRae
646-649 Mario Guerrero
650-651 Bob Grossman
652-653 Doug Griffin
654-655 Grover Resinger
656-657 Lee Guetterman
658-661 Rick Monday
662-665 Bob Boone
666-669 Gene Michael
670-671 Jerry Grote
672-673 Dick Green
674-675 Fred Green
676-679 Ken Griffey Sr.
680-681 Bobby Bonilla
682-685 Bobby Bonds
686-689 Larry Bowa
690-691 John Glass (NYM min.)
692-695 Fred Gladding
696-697 Bill Grief
698-699 Ralph Terry
700-703 Jim Gleeson
704-705 Eddie Murray
706 Jack Hamilton
707 Ron Hansen
708 Dave Hamilton
709 Roger Hambright
710 Cecilio Guante
711 Tom Haller
712 Tom Hall
713-714 Dick Hall
715 Jose Guzman
716 Bud Harrelson
717 John Harrell
718 Preston Hanna
719 Steve Hamilton
720 Bill Hands
721 Jim Hannan
722 Larry Haney
723 Jim Hardin
724 Richie Zisk
725 Mark Guthrie
726-727 El Tappe
728-731 Ed Glynn
732-733 Lloyd Gladden
734-735 Dave Guisti
736-737 Joe Ginsburg
738-739 Eli Grba
740-741 Dallas Green
742-745 Tom Grieve
746-747 Frank Thomas
748-749 Chuck Goggin
750-751 Fernando Gonzalez
752-753 Derek Lilliquist
754-755 Todd Van Poppel
756-757 Bob Schmidt
758-759 John Goryl
760-761 Tom Gorman
762-763 Mike Gordon
764-765 Greg Goossen
766-767 Tony Gonzalez
768-769 R.C. Gonzalez
770-771 Pedro Gonzalez
772-773 Julio Gonzalez
774-775 Danny Godby
776-779 Ed Goodson
780-783 Danny Goodwin
784-785 Joe Morgan
786-787 Wayne Granger
788-789 Mike Grace
790-793 Billy Grabarkewicz
794-795 Larry Gowell
796-797 Jim Gott
798-799 Julio Gotay
800-801 Howie Goss
802-803 Jim Gosger
804-805 Jim Golden
806-807 Dick Gray
808-809 Don Secrist
810-813 Herman Segelke
814-817 Chuck Seelbach
818-819 Mark Grant
820-821 Dave Gray
822-825 Mudcat Grant
826-827 Chris Ward
828-831 Darrel Chaney
832-835 Enzo Hernandez
836-839 Steve Henderson
840-843 Richie Hebner
844-845 Woodie Held
846-847 Duane Ward
848-849 Ron Washington
850-851 John Wathan
852-853 Roger Weaver
854-855 John Wathan
856-857 Purnal Goldy
858-861 Bob Hendley
862-865 Clyde Wright
866-869 Frank White
870-871 Larry Whisenton
872-875 Gary Wheelock
876-877 Claude Westmoreland
878-879 Matt West
880-883 Don Werner
884-885 Brad Wellman
886-889 U.L. Washington
890-893 Dave Collins
894-895 Dave Goltz
896-897 Luis Gomez
898-899 Julian Gonzalez (Angels min.)
900-901 Bill Gogolewski
902-905 Mike Wegener
906-909 Dallas Williams
910-913 Charlie Williams
914-915 Jim Wilhelm
916-919 Rob Wilfong
920-921 Mark Wiley
922-925 Milt Wilcox
926-927 Bill Wilkinson
928-929 Alan Wiggins
930-933 Ernie Whitt
934-937 Ed Whitson
938-939 Len Whitehouse
940-943 Terry Whitfield
944-945 Dennis Werth
946-949 Hank Webb
950-951 Colin Ward
952-953 Danny Walton
954-955 Joe Wallis
956-957 Denny Walling
958-959 RIch Waller
960-963 Billy Cowan
964-965 Wes Stock
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970-973 John Wockenfuss
974-975 Mike Witt (975 reversed)
976 Lee Smith
977 Andy Van Slyke
978-979 Alan Worth
980-981 Don Winslow
982-983 Bobby Winkles
984 Chris Sabo
985 Darrell Evans
986-987 Trevor Wilson
988-989 Glenn Wilson
990 Ed Whitson
991 Terry Whitfield
992-993 Frank White
994 John Wathan
995 Hank Webb
996 Danny Walton
997 Ron Washington
998 Mike Wegener
999 Gary Wheelock

[Merkle923]

The missing Angels player in your list is pitcher Morris Cigar.

This Angel pitcher went west in the Dean Chance trade and other than the image from the same shoot that appears on his '68 Topps card, I haven't seen another color image of Cimino in Halo garb.

[FatJack]

Originally Posted by Merkle923

The above Yankee and Met batter is long time outfielder Bob Cerv and NOT Harry Chiti.

Chiti would never have appeared in Yankee Stadium in a Yankee uniform, nor in spring training with the Mets (he was obtained from Cleveland and returned in midseason 1962). The photos of Cerv wearing white undersleeves is from his abortive stint with the Mets in Spring Training 1963. Topps in fact shot Chiti at the Polo Grounds, probably in May, 1962.

I appreciate they both have craggy faces but Chiti was well known for his near mono-brow:

Well, what can I say? I didn't think it was a guess. I fully believed I recognized him. He immediately and convincingly looked like Chiti to me. Between the nose (few noses look like that) and, yes, the eyebrows (which fan out wider towards the center face--and few sets of eyebrows look like that), and the chin, He looked like Chiti. I could think of no other Met who looked anything close to that. I have no recollection of Bob Cerv being a Met (though, checking the earlier postings of NRI, I see him listed). Since he wasn't a Met, I'd have no clue what Bob Cerv looked like. Seriously. I'm a one team guy and make no secret of that. Whether Chiti's brows appear mono or not largely depends upon the image you're viewing. As for Chiti being in Yankee Stadium, it wouldn't be the first or last time a club brought an extra catcher (not on the active roster) north for the start of the season. Nowadays, of course, they have official "bullpen catchers" included on the coaching staff. That today's Vault releases were of Chaney and Chalk and Christian and Christienson and Chrisley and Chiles, seemed to confirm that it would be a Ch player--which, since I already saw him as Chiti, fit.

Anyway, realizing that I'm clearly the only person to ever mis-identify an image in the recorded history of people identifying images (thank God Topps never did that; oh wait...), I'll just keep my mouth shut from now on. Apologies for wasting everyone's time.

[Merkle923]

I'm not following the logic here. You were sure because you really wanted it to be Chiti and you ignored all the clues, and made up new ones, to fit your conclusion. This doesn't help anybody here, nor does the martyrdom.

The alphabetical sequence was Chaney, Chamberlain, Chalk, Chadwick, ----, Cash. Where does "Chiti" fit in there? If it's the sequence you relied on, the name has alphabetically to go between Cash and Chadwick. If it's the Yankee image that convinced you, you can clearly see the number 17 on his back - worn by Enos Slaughter from August, 1956 into September, 1959. If it's the fact Chiti was Yankee property in 1957 then there should be some reference to it online, to explain how he played in 120 games in AAA and yet showed up at Yankee Stadium as "a bullpen catcher" - even though the Yankees already had one of those named Darrell Johnson who spent the whole season there. And as mentioned earlier, St. Petersburg is an impossible location for a Chiti/Mets photo.

This may seem like trivial nitpicking to you, but the misidentification of photos leaks into google searches and the next thing you know a search for Chiti with the Mets turns up Bob Cerv, creating a mess that could take who knows how long to correct.

The irony to this is that the Cerv/Mets image is a far scarcer, far greater find than Chiti/Mets. Cerv only wore that uniform for a month or less at a time when there were no spring training photo days nor photographers blanketing the camps.

[hobbs11]

Originally Posted by Merkle923

The above Yankee and Met batter is long time outfielder Bob Cerv and NOT Harry Chiti.

Chiti would never have appeared in Yankee Stadium in a Yankee uniform, nor in spring training with the Mets (he was obtained from Cleveland and returned in midseason 1962). The photos of Cerv wearing white undersleeves is from his abortive stint with the Mets in Spring Training 1963. Topps in fact shot Chiti at the Polo Grounds, probably in May, 1962.

I appreciate they both have craggy faces but Chiti was well known for his near mono-brow:

Got it.... So Bob was roughly 37 in the Mets pic? That actually helps my original take ....

[Merkle923]

Chiti with the '62 Mets, from a private collection.

[rico43]

I wanted to share this from the Lexibell files just because it made me smile.
November, 1953: young New York Giants outfielder Willie Mays finds himself among some familiar faces as he plays winter ball for the Santurce Crabbers (or "Cangrejeros") in New York teammate Ruben Gomez and his manager with Santurce, Herman Franks.

[keonleafs]

Not many pics of Chittum. Here is a new one on Topps Vault today.

[Merkle923]

Additions from Vault today
41-44 R Dempsey
45-46 Tony Chevez (very rare, see below)
47-48 Joe Cherry
49-50 Steve Chilcott (below)
51-52 Nelson Chittum (above)
53-54 Pete Charton
55-56 Harry Chappas
57-58 Kelvin Chapman
59-60 Charlie Chant (below)

[Merkle923]

Kind of hard to believe that when the Orioles took the nearly unprecedented step of signing a couple of pitching prospects from Nicaragua, Tony Chevez was the can't-miss guy and the gangly kid Dennis Martinez was the tag-along. Tony Chevez - BR Bullpen

Martinez beat Chevez to the majors by a year, and the latter made just four appearances before an injury effectively ended his career.

[Merkle923]

Not impossible to find but still limited in images. Came to the plate just five times with the 1975 A's, then to St. Louis. Topps shot him with the latter club at Busch Stadium in '76 and in at least one spring training.

[Merkle923]

1971 spring training images of the catcher the Mets infamously chose first in the 1966 draft ahead of Reggie Jackson (and Steve Garvey, Bill Russell, Gary Nolan, Charlie Hough - and not many others as the first 10 rounds were astoundingly unproductive).

[rico43]

1) Folder GY has been posted on the OneDrive site John@baseball-birthdays is managing.

2) A correction: in folder NN, 046 is Joe Moock, not Dan Monzon.
Thanks to gilligantuan, who stared at it for several days without blinking until he realized who it actuallly was.