Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack

[cinemaodyssey]

Thanks, Cusick. That answers a number of ID questions we have been having on that team photo.

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by Cusick

The photo was found by SABR member Richard Ulrich, who is now deceased. It was displayed in an unknown publication dated February 5, 2000. Players Ernie Beam and George McMillan were identified by name in the caption. See below.

This is exactly what I was hoping would be the case! A photo with identifications exists. There are some names wrong in the caption, and it is missing one player (most likely Eddie Fusselback). The correct names are:
Joe Kappel, Ed Pabst, Thomas Flood, Pat Wright, Edmund Terrien, George Brackett, George McMillan, Ernie Beam, Frank Spill, Ben Stephens, Ducky Hemp.

I wonder if the original has the names on the back?

[cinemaodyssey]

I'd like a reference to the Charlie Krehmeyer photo posted years ago. I still think he looks like the player middle row, far left on the 1891 Green Bay team photo.

[Cusick]

Originally Posted by prewinter

This is exactly what I was hoping would be the case! A photo with identifications exists. There are some names wrong in the caption, and it is missing one player (most likely Eddie Fusselback). The correct names are:
Joe Kappel, Ed Pabst, Thomas Flood, Pat Wright, Edmund Terrien, George Brackett, George McMillan, Ernie Beam, Frank Spill, Ben Stephens, Ducky Hemp.

I wonder if the original has the names on the back?

Prewinter, I'd appreciate your responding to a couple of questions.

1) On what basis are you saying that your list contains the correct names?

2) If you're curious about possible names on the back of the original, would you contact the Neville Museum in Green Bay to see what they have to say about it and then report back to this forum?

Thanks.

[Cusick]

Originally Posted by cinemaodyssey

I'd like a reference to the Charlie Krehmeyer photo posted years ago. I still think he looks like the player middle row, far left on the 1891 Green Bay team photo.

I think you're referring to the photo of Krehmeyer posted on July 2, 2010 on page 263 of this thread.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...84046&page=263

It was posted by tnfoto who in turn attributed it to SABR. I believe the SABR contributor was me. Unfortunately, since this was 11 years ago, I don't remember where I obtained the photo. My guess would be from a book, but nothing in particular is dawning on me at the moment. I can tell you that there is a typo in the posting. The team was the Sacramento Altas, not the Atlas.

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by Cusick

Prewinter, I'd appreciate your responding to a couple of questions.

1) On what basis are you saying that your list contains the correct names?

2) If you're curious about possible names on the back of the original, would you contact the Neville Museum in Green Bay to see what they have to say about it and then report back to this forum?

Thanks.

I just reached out to the museum to see if they can clarify if the names in the caption are on the photo itself.

I started looking into the photo because I was hoping it included Charles Krehmeyer and Harry Burquin, both of whom played for Green Bay that season. I went through newspapers from 1891 from Green Bay, Appleton, Oshkosh and a couple of other places, looking at box score and game articles. In early August, the owner of the Green Bay club bought the club from Terre Haute and cut everyone from before that except Ernie Beam. The new players are listed in the Green Bay Press-Gazette on August 4, 1891; Baseball-Reference lists the full names for most of them. Scouring articles from 1891 confirmed all of the players listed played with Green Bay through most of August (after they transferred to Green Bay) and into September.

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by Cusick

The photo was found by SABR member Richard Ulrich, who is now deceased. It was displayed in an unknown publication dated February 5, 2000. Players Ernie Beam and George McMillan were identified by name in the caption. See below.

Here are matches for the players in the 1891 Green Bay Team photo, over the next couple of posts. I do not have a photo of Thomas Flood. According to a blurb in the Galveston Daily News (February 12, 1888) he was 21 years old that year and was 6 feet in height. Kappel is listed as 5' 10" and Pabst was 5' 11". Fusselbeck (whom I think is the last person on the right in the back row) was 5' 6".

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by Cusick

The photo was found by SABR member Richard Ulrich, who is now deceased. It was displayed in an unknown publication dated February 5, 2000. Players Ernie Beam and George McMillan were identified by name in the caption. See below.

Next set of matches. Correction: The name should be Pat Wright, not Pat Watkins.

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by Cusick

The photo was found by SABR member Richard Ulrich, who is now deceased. It was displayed in an unknown publication dated February 5, 2000. Players Ernie Beam and George McMillan were identified by name in the caption. See below.

And more...

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by Cusick

The photo was found by SABR member Richard Ulrich, who is now deceased. It was displayed in an unknown publication dated February 5, 2000. Players Ernie Beam and George McMillan were identified by name in the caption. See below.

And the last three. The matches are based on the caption from the photo in the newspaper, with Fusselback inserted into the sequence.

This is what I have to go on.

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by Cusick

I think you're referring to the photo of Krehmeyer posted on July 2, 2010 on page 263 of this thread.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...84046&page=263

It was posted by tnfoto who in turn attributed it to SABR. I believe the SABR contributor was me. Unfortunately, since this was 11 years ago, I don't remember where I obtained the photo. My guess would be from a book, but nothing in particular is dawning on me at the moment. I can tell you that there is a typo in the posting. The team was the Sacramento Altas, not the Atlas.

I'm pretty sure that photo is from his Old Judge card:
https://krispaulw.com/cgi-bin/cardal...n172-268-1.jpg

My understanding is there is only one known to exist.

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Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

Charlie Hodnett 1883

Here is a sketch of Charlie Hodnett from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch of April 19, 1884 (pg. 9), from a preview of the St. Louis Maroons club.

[Cusick]

Thanks, Prewinter, for posting the photo of Charlie Hodnutt. Made me question whether the image of Hodnutt previously recognized is erroneous. Baseball-reference.com displays it. So did the ST. LOUIS CARDINALS ENCYCLOPEDIA, by Bob Broeg and Jerry Vickery, which was published in 1998. I think the image came from a collection of St. Louis Browns (AA) images published in the Feb. 6, 1892 edition of The Sporting News, on page 4. The caption for the image was W. Hodnett. The Sporting News article was reflecting on the history of the major league St. Louis Browns, and so it was reflecting on players who had been with it. It's possible that the first initial, W, was just a mistake in presenting the image of Hodnett, but he certainly doesn't look like the same guy as the fellow you posted.

The image of Charles Hodnett on the left is from the Sporting News of Feb. 6, 1892. The image on the right is from the ST. LOUIS CARDINALS ENCYCLOPEDIA -- much better quality.

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by Cusick

Thanks, Prewinter, for posting the photo of Charlie Hodnutt. Made me question whether the image of Hodnutt previously recognized is erroneous. Baseball-reference.com displays it. So did the ST. LOUIS CARDINALS ENCYCLOPEDIA, by Bob Broeg and Jerry Vickery, which was published in 1998. I think the image came from a collection of St. Louis Browns (AA) images published in the Feb. 6, 1892 edition of The Sporting News, on page 4. The caption for the image was W. Hodnett. The Sporting News article was reflecting on the history of the major league St. Louis Browns, and so it was reflecting on players who had been with it. It's possible that the first initial, W, was just a mistake in presenting the image of Hodnett, but he certainly doesn't look like the same guy as the fellow you posted.

The image of Charles Hodnett on the left is from the Sporting News of Feb. 6, 1892. The image on the right is from the ST. LOUIS CARDINALS ENCYCLOPEDIA -- much better quality.

Here are all three side-by-side. The sketches don't seem that far apart, IMO. although the face seems wider in the sketch from the newspaper (far right) as compared to the sketch from the Encyclopedia (far left). I wish I could see the ear in the photo better... I need to see if I can find a better version of the photo.

Interesting that they all show basically the same angle. It makes me wonder if the photo were the common source for both sketches, with a little artistic license thrown in.

Charlie Hodnett died in 1890 (at the age of 30), so by the time the sketch was done in 1892, all there was for a reference was a photo.

[Home Free]

I never met or knew Roger Harris -- doubtless people on this thread did know him. Perhaps he was even a poster here. But he was a collector after my own heart, as apparently there was no player obscure to collect.
All I know is that eBay sales engine going by hockeymonkey10 recently bought some 8,000 lots or items from the Roger Harris collection and currently has over 1,300 baseball images -- largely autograph-free -- for sale.
I started collecting cards in 1966 and switched my focus in recent years, but I came across a couple of images of guys I've never heard of before, as well as a bevy of Brace images both color and B&W. I realize that some of the hobby's most esteemed collectors drop in here, so these may be nothing special to you. So indulge me, please.



Dixie Upright. Got to be on the top 10 Names list. He never got on the field for the 1953 Browns except as a pinch-hitter. He was 2-for-8 in nine games with a solo homer accounting for his lone RBI. He indeed was a child of the South, born in Kannapolis, N.C. -- also home of Dale Earnhardt.



Vern Fear got into four games for the 1952 Cubs, all in relief. His MLB career pitching career ended with no record and a 7.88 ERA, all in relief. And I couldn't help but wonder ... if kids came upon his Iowa residence on Halloween and saw FEAR spelled out on the mailbox, would they keep walking or would they dare knock?

[Home Free]

Aso part of the Mark Harris collection currently for sale on eBay are several hundred images that are either labelled as Kodak postcards or original George Brace, both color and B&W. Nearly everything seems to be crisp and unautographed.



Minnie Rojas, the Angels reliever whose career and, eventually, his life was cut short by a car accident, was featured on two Topps cards in 1967-68. I feel like his story ought to be told one day.



This terrific portrait of Jim Umbricht, who was a big, strong reliever for the Pirates and Colt 45s before cancer claimed him at age 33 shortly before the 1964 season began. This was a personal prize, as Umbricht was a high school classmate of my father, who'll be celebrating his 92nd birthday this October.



This one of Cubs short-timer Tom Baker ought to please some folks. All I'd ever seen of him up to now was black-and-white. The lefty got into 10 games for the 1963 Cubs, starting once, and finishing with an 0-1 record and a nice 3.00 ERA. He, too, died young at age 45.

[Cusick]

Thanks, Home Free, particularly for the Tom Baker photo. I too had not seen an image of him before in color.

[cinemaodyssey]

Remini-enhanced cleanup of Ward's 1965 baseball card.

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by tnfoto

Photo courtesy of Eiteljorge's family. Thanks to SABR for image provision!

Here's a photo of Eiteljorge, from the 1889 Terre Haute team photo.

[prewinter]

Thanks to the Vigo County Historical Society and Museum, we have identifications for the 1889 Terre Haute team photo. Most of these players are noticeably missing from Baseball-Reference's roster, which makes me doubt the roster almost entirely, as I have found little evidence to support some of these players in the contemporary newspapers (in an admittedly quick search). I did find a series of articles about the Terre Haute Hottentots online, one of which mentions numerous players on the roster.
(https://indianamemory.contentdm.oclc.../vcpl/id/10149) G. O'Brien is referred to as "George 'Darby' O'Brien" in the article. I'm trying to decide if that is really George Darby (darbyge01) or Darby O'Brien (o'brida01). It looks more like the former than the latter.

Other major leaguers are Bill Nelson and Ed Eiteljorge. I'm not sure if J. Cantillion is manager Joe Cantillion or not - I'm guessing not.