Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack

[Reed]

CO,
I have been using Tnfoto pictures for a few years. He does a great job but just to try something a little different I am going to use your facepack when I start a new league this week. OOTP is great because of folks like you and Tnfoto.

[cinemaodyssey]

Originally Posted by Reed

CO,
I have been using Tnfoto pictures for a few years. He does a great job but just to try something a little different I am going to use your facepack when I start a new league this week. OOTP is great because of folks like you and Tnfoto.

Thanks for the kind words! I'm going to try and have an updated facepack out tomorrow if you'd like to wait for that one.

[cinemaodyssey]

Facepack upgrade, pictured in the mid-1880s with his occupation listed as a "miner." I had found a baseball image of Moffet awhile back but this one shows his face clearly. The photo was printed in the 1/24/1932 edition of The Montana Standard.

[cinemaodyssey]

One more nice Facepack upgrade from the 1882 Port Huron team photo is Beck, who was the backup pitcher to Bill Mountjoy. I previously only had Beck pictured as an elderly man. A special thanks to Cusick who helped me identify this player.

[brobby05]

Hi Guys!

I was wondering if somebody could tell me where to find the "double-N's" photos at...IE., ND, NE, NF, etc?

Thanks,

BRobby05

[DeweyintheHall]

Looking for a few guys from 1986. A couple of these may be repeats so I apologize for any redundancies:

1986 CRAIG, Rod White Sox
1986 FILSON, Pete White Sox
1986 SHIELDS, Steve Royals
1986 FONTENOT, Ray Twins
1986 AKERFELDS, Darrel A's
1986 BROWN, Curt Expos
1986 VALDEZ, Sergio Expos (1986 stint)
1986 GORMAN, Tom Phillies (have Chachis Paint Job)
1986 MANRIQUE, Fred Cardinals (have mock up that's out there)
1986 WASINGER, Mark Padres

[Terry D]

Originally Posted by DeweyintheHall

Looking for a few guys from 1986. A couple of these may be repeats so I apologize for any redundancies:

1986 CRAIG, Rod White Sox
1986 FILSON, Pete White Sox
1986 SHIELDS, Steve Royals
1986 FONTENOT, Ray Twins
1986 AKERFELDS, Darrel A's
1986 BROWN, Curt Expos
1986 VALDEZ, Sergio Expos (1986 stint)
1986 GORMAN, Tom Phillies (have Chachis Paint Job)
1986 MANRIQUE, Fred Cardinals (have mock up that's out there)
1986 WASINGER, Mark Padres

Fontenot is in the Topps '87 set as a Twin, though that is an obvious airbrush job. The 80's are my bag and almost all the others are still missing. The only exception is Curt Brown as an Expo. A media guide BW shot of him was posted here 10 years ago, see https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...wn#post3396886

[tnfoto]

Originally Posted by DeweyintheHall

Looking for a few guys from 1986. A couple of these may be repeats so I apologize for any redundancies:

1986 CRAIG, Rod White Sox
1986 FILSON, Pete White Sox
1986 SHIELDS, Steve Royals
1986 FONTENOT, Ray Twins
1986 AKERFELDS, Darrel A's
1986 BROWN, Curt Expos
1986 VALDEZ, Sergio Expos (1986 stint)
1986 GORMAN, Tom Phillies (have Chachis Paint Job)
1986 MANRIQUE, Fred Cardinals (have mock up that's out there)
1986 WASINGER, Mark Padres

Here is Valdez in an 80s-era Expos uniform. I have it marked as 1989, but I'm not certain where that date came from.

[DeweyintheHall]

Originally Posted by Terry D

Fontenot is in the Topps '87 set as a Twin, though that is an obvious airbrush job. The 80's are my bag and almost all the others are still missing. The only exception is Curt Brown as an Expo. A media guide BW shot of him was posted here 10 years ago, see https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...wn#post3396886

THanks!

[DeweyintheHall]

Originally Posted by tnfoto

Here is Valdez in an 80s-era Expos uniform. I have it marked as 1989, but I'm not certain where that date came from.

Thank You!

[krantzbucks]

John Allen Monroe colorized

[Chickazoola]

A little while back Cinemaodyssey located Wes Blogg in an October 1881 photo of the Richmond and Detroit clubs taken during their exhibition series that month.

Here are the IDs from the photo:
Top Row, L-R: Hankins (Rmd), Blog (Rmd), Martin Powell, Frank Bancroft (Mgr.), Charlie Bennett, Ned Hanlon, Billy Nash (Rmd)
Middle Row, L-R: Napier (Rmd), Barker (Rmd), unidentified, Jim Powell (Rmd), Sadie Houck, unidentified, Mannie Rawson (Rmd)
Bottom Row, L-R: Lon Knight, Henry C. Boschen (Rmd), Samuel Thompson (Rmd), Eddie Glenn

While searching for something else, I was able to find a note in the October 6, 1881 Richmond Dispatch about the Richmond lineup for the upcoming series. It noted that club had added some Philadelphia players including Charlie Barber (who appeared for the 1884 Cincinnati Unions). I noticed there is a player named Barker for Richmond in the second row of the photo. I strongly suspect that this has to be Barber, since there are no Barkers playing around that time that I am aware of. His gaunt features also match what we know about Barber's slim physique (5'10, 148 pounds as per bb-ref).

With this find, we now have every photo for the players on three UA teams (Milwaukee, St. Paul, and Cincinnati).

I should add that I strongly suspect that Jim Brown of the St. Paul club is misidentified based on my notes, and is quite likely Ed Brown (1882 St. Louis + 1884 Toledo), since the St. Paul player was noted to be from the Franklin club of Chicago City League. Ed Brown appeared for the Franklins at one point, and the club was comprised of men who worked as printers like the club's namesake Benjamin Franklin.

There's also a chance it is another unknown Brown.

We do have a photo of Ed Brown though, so either way we are good, just wanted to flag that.

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by Chickazoola

I should add that I strongly suspect that Jim Brown of the St. Paul club is misidentified based on my notes, and is quite likely Ed Brown (1882 St. Louis + 1884 Toledo), since the St. Paul player was noted to be from the Franklin club of Chicago City League. Ed Brown appeared for the Franklins at one point, and the club was comprised of men who worked as printers like the club's namesake Benjamin Franklin.

There's also a chance it is another unknown Brown.

We do have a photo of Ed Brown though, so either way we are good, just wanted to flag that.

Ed Brown, with Toledo and then St. Paul in 1884, was released by St. Paul in July (per the St. Paul Globe, July 25, 1884). Given that the club in the Union Association didn't play its first game until September 27 of that year, and played games only in Cincinnati, St. Louis and Kansas City, I'm not sure why to expect that Ed Brown would be pitching for the club in those games.

Baseball-Reference also indicates that Ed Brown played for Stillwater in 1884, but according to the St. Paul Globe (June 19, 1884), that Brown came from Dubuque.

[Merkle923]

Originally Posted by prewinter

Picture from the St. Louis Times on August 15, 1913. Does anyone know the history of the fleur de lis on the hat?

Flag of the city of St. Louis

[cinemaodyssey]

Facepack upgrade, pictured in the 1886 Portland, ME team photo. Previous image of Healey was a woodcut that was likely taken from this photograph.

[DeweyintheHall]

So I found this shot doing a Google search - it is the pic on Dan Brigg's LinkedIn profile. It seems to show him batting in 1978 - previously, I knew of no color image of Briggs' in the Indians' 1978 garb.

It is too small for the purposes of my ongoing 1978 project, but I think it certainly fills a gap.

I have reached out to Mr. Briggs to inquire about whether a larger version of this image might be available, letting him know about this site (along with a link) and of the efforts of the many baseball enthusiasts and historians who come here.

If anything turns up, I will post.

[cinemaodyssey]

Facepack upgrade, pictured in the 7/15/1919 edition of the Portland Evening Express. Note that the Baseball Reference image (along with the one in Tnfoto's Facepack) actually pictures minor leaguer Buck Sweetland.

[Chickazoola]

Originally Posted by prewinter

Ed Brown, with Toledo and then St. Paul in 1884, was released by St. Paul in July (per the St. Paul Globe, July 25, 1884). Given that the club in the Union Association didn't play its first game until September 27 of that year, and played games only in Cincinnati, St. Louis and Kansas City, I'm not sure why to expect that Ed Brown would be pitching for the club in those games.

Baseball-Reference also indicates that Ed Brown played for Stillwater in 1884, but according to the St. Paul Globe (June 19, 1884), that Brown came from Dubuque.

By September 1884, the Northwestern League was running on fumes. Towards the end of the month, the only active clubs were Milwaukee and St. Paul and were playing exhibition games primarily. St. Paul's ace for most of the year was Elmer Foster, but he hurt his arm that month and did not play again on the year. That left St. Paul with an urgent need to find a replacement as they joined the Union Association in late-September.

Given that the only biographical detail we have on the UA pitcher was that he was from the Chicago Franklin club, and that Ed Brown had appeared for that club, and would also have been known to management, it seems plausible that he is our guy.

There is no evidence that Jim Brown is the guy, him being credited with the games is the result of some unchecked assumptions along the way. Brown was from Lock Haven, Pennsylvania and it seems unlikely he would have travelled to the Midwest in late September of his own accord to join the club, and given the financial state of the Saint Paul (ie not great), I doubt they would have paid his way.

The last definitive record I have of Jim Brown prior to September, is his appearances with New York, and the controversy around his signing with both NY and Indianapolis in June 1884. Given the notoriety, it seems strange that no papers would have mentioned that fact for the Saint Paul pitcher.

That being said, the lack of mention of Ed Brown's credentials also gives me some pause as well.

[cinemaodyssey]

Facepack upgrade, pictured in the 1/11/1914 edition of the Virginian-Pilot and the Norfolk Landmark. Seeing his profile makes me understand his nickname a little better...

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by Chickazoola

By September 1884, the Northwestern League was running on fumes. Towards the end of the month, the only active clubs were Milwaukee and St. Paul and were playing exhibition games primarily. St. Paul's ace for most of the year was Elmer Foster, but he hurt his arm that month and did not play again on the year. That left St. Paul with an urgent need to find a replacement as they joined the Union Association in late-September.

Given that the only biographical detail we have on the UA pitcher was that he was from the Chicago Franklin club, and that Ed Brown had appeared for that club, and would also have been known to management, it seems plausible that he is our guy.

There is no evidence that Jim Brown is the guy, him being credited with the games is the result of some unchecked assumptions along the way. Brown was from Lock Haven, Pennsylvania and it seems unlikely he would have travelled to the Midwest in late September of his own accord to join the club, and given the financial state of the Saint Paul (ie not great), I doubt they would have paid his way.

The last definitive record I have of Jim Brown prior to September, is his appearances with New York, and the controversy around his signing with both NY and Indianapolis in June 1884. Given the notoriety, it seems strange that no papers would have mentioned that fact for the Saint Paul pitcher.

That being said, the lack of mention of Ed Brown's credentials also gives me some pause as well.

I've not done any digging into the UA pitcher prior to the other night. I have looked into Ed Brown previously, although I did not know he was with the Franklins. Thanks for the added info. If I learn more, I'll share.