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LansdowneSt · 10-22-2022, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dto7

I found a Batten who pitched and played the outfield and infield for a 1908 New Jersey team called Cedar Brook and if it were to be George he would have been 17 at the time. 1st player sitting on the ground from the left.

Team photo from the 8-23-1908 Philadelphia Inquirer. Box score from the Morning Post 5-25-1908

I presume it a typo but just noting that the picture has "Battern" v. Batten

Dto7 · 10-22-2022, 08:13 PM

Typo, check box score, plus I looked up Battern, and no such player in 1908 Jersey or Philadelphia. All the box scores for Cedar Brook that I checked it was spelled Batten. May not be George, I'm just putting it out there.

prewinter · 10-23-2022, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dto7

I found a Batten who pitched and played the outfield and infield for a 1908 New Jersey team called Cedar Brook and if it were to be George he would have been 17 at the time. 1st player sitting on the ground from the left.

Team photo from the 8-23-1908 Philadelphia Inquirer. Box score from the Morning Post 5-25-1908

A player named Batten shows up in box scores for Cedar Brook as early as 1902 (Philadelphia Inquirer, July 6, 1902).

Meanwhile, a Batten shows up playing for Brown Prep in 1910 (Philadelphia Inquirer, April 16, 1910, pg. 11)

There seem to have been multiple Batten's playing in the Philadelphia area around that time.

Added 10/24/2022: In light of the photo of Batten below (from the 11/9/1911 Boston Globe), I don't think the player with Cedar Brook is George Batten. The chin looks wrong. I've removed my matches.

Dto7 · 10-23-2022, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by prewinter

Here's a quick comparison of the player from the Cedar Brook team photo with possible matches from the Exeter team photos. Not sure it convinces me, but they were the best that came to my eye.

A player named Batten shows up in box scores for Cedar Brook as early as 1902 (Philadelphia Inquirer, July 6, 1902).

Meanwhile, a Batten shows up playing for Brown Prep in 1910 (Philadelphia Inquirer, April 16, 1910, pg. 11)

There seem to have been multiple Batten's playing in the Philadelphia area around that time.

The 1910 Batten you found was Brown Preparatory School and I could only find the years 1939 and 1940 in E-Yearbooks
The Cedar Brook is the only photo I have found of a Batten and the age could be about right if it was George. Not saying its George but at least a photo of a Batten is found.
Here's the Phillips Exeter 1911 baseball team.

cinemaodyssey · 10-23-2022, 02:34 AM

Here's Batten on the 1911 Exeter football team assuming it is the same player. This comes from the 11/9/1911 edition of The Boston Globe.

Dto7 · 10-23-2022, 04:04 AM

Nice find.

The Sunday edition of the Boston Globe did an article about the Andover 23-5 win over Exeter and used George Batten name.

LansdowneSt · 10-23-2022, 04:04 AM

I clipped and enlarged some of the yearbook photos with similar chins. Also ran them through a photo enhancer. Let me know if I missed any prospective ones but the chin was what I focused on. The resulting files are here:

https://www.mediafire.com/file/38rgs...ttens.zip/file

His brother Herbert Batten has a picture as an older man. I can see some of the chin there too but it's a tough angle and not my expertise. There might be a handful of faces that can also be knocked out as possibilities from the overall team photos too if they had senior pics in the last of the posted yearbooks on e-yearbook.

The team photo on the 9th of Nov 1911 in the Globe also shows Batten and provides names against the other faces.

Cusick · 10-23-2022, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cinemaodyssey

Here's Batten on the 1911 Exeter football team assuming it is the same player. This comes from the 11/9/1911 edition of The Boston Globe.

To my eyes, this Batten from the Boston Globe strikes a remarkable resemblance to the George Batten that Marc Okkonen had found for his book (see below).

cinemaodyssey · 10-30-2022, 04:19 PM

To the best of my knowledge Hutson did not play with a beard during his professional career. Here's a clean-shaven image of him from the 8/20/1928 edition of the Portland Evening Express.

Dto7 · 10-31-2022, 12:44 AM

Roy Hutson played for 1 year with the House of David.

cinemaodyssey · 10-31-2022, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dto7

Roy Hutson played for 1 year with the House of David.

My point was that Hutson is nearly always depicted as a member of the HOD team, including Target's Dodgers cards, when he had a lengthy minor league career prior to that. I believe it is more representative of his ball playing career to show him clean shaven.

Jabez54 · 10-31-2022, 08:46 AM

An interesting topic - here's a list of Pro-Ball players who had don the HoD
's uniforms... http://houseofdavidbaseball.com/players/hired.asp
Interesting facts are mentioned in this site...

Thank you for the cleaner version of Roy Hutson - nice find!!

LansdowneSt · 11-05-2022, 09:58 PM

Saw this Red Murray Howell on ebay as I looked for a picture for a facegen. I ended up using a newspaper clipping and wish I saw this photo first. I had not seen too many Red Murrays even though his family was on the thread looking for pics. I am posting both for the record.

Merkle923 · 11-10-2022, 10:10 AM

Newly listed in Heritage Auctions as a cabinet of an unidentified Giant. From the type of tie, looks more like the 1892-93 photography of the team, than the 1895 shots used in the Newsboy Tobacco cabinet photos of Rusie, Burke, et al - but it could be from anywhere in that span of four or five years.

Chickazoola · 11-10-2022, 01:54 PM

I think it may be Silver King. I did face recognition search using Pimeyes and several photos of King showed up. He was with the Giants in 1892-1893 and I can see a resemblance.

Merkle923 · 11-10-2022, 09:10 PM

Nice work. And the baby face works too -- he was only 24 when he got to New York. I actually thought it might have been a mascot!

RUKen · 11-11-2022, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Chickazoola

I think it may be Silver King. I did face recognition search using Pimeyes and several photos of King showed up. He was with the Giants in 1892-1893 and I can see a resemblance.

FWIW, that cabinet (or an identical one) was listed as Lot 181 by Hunt Auction in March 2019 and misidentified as Pop Schriver. BMarlowe, in a collectors' forum, stated that it was actually Silver King.

AESP_pres · 11-13-2022, 08:01 PM

Just to be sure... is this Jack Caulfield (1946)? I can't confirm in the thread since all the previous pictures of him were deleted...

Jabez54 · 11-13-2022, 09:37 PM

Yes, it is... Never had seen this in color except in b/w... Just wished there were no watermark... sigh...

AESP_pres · 11-13-2022, 09:53 PM

Thanks for the confirmation! It wasn't colorized, I use a website to do it since sometimes it's easier to do a FG if you have some colors to work with.

10-22-2022, 08:13 PM	#35862
Dto7 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 882	Typo, check box score, plus I looked up Battern, and no such player in 1908 Jersey or Philadelphia. All the box scores for Cedar Brook that I checked it was spelled Batten. May not be George, I'm just putting it out there. Last edited by Dto7; 10-22-2022 at 11:44 PM.

10-23-2022, 02:34 AM	#35865
cinemaodyssey All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,975	Here's Batten on the 1911 Exeter football team assuming it is the same player. This comes from the 11/9/1911 edition of The Boston Globe. Attached Images

10-23-2022, 04:04 AM	#35866
Dto7 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 882	Nice find. The Sunday edition of the Boston Globe did an article about the Andover 23-5 win over Exeter and used George Batten name. Attached Images Last edited by Dto7; 10-23-2022 at 06:03 AM.

10-23-2022, 04:04 AM	#35867
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 6,752	I clipped and enlarged some of the yearbook photos with similar chins. Also ran them through a photo enhancer. Let me know if I missed any prospective ones but the chin was what I focused on. The resulting files are here: https://www.mediafire.com/file/38rgs...ttens.zip/file His brother Herbert Batten has a picture as an older man. I can see some of the chin there too but it's a tough angle and not my expertise. There might be a handful of faces that can also be knocked out as possibilities from the overall team photos too if they had senior pics in the last of the posted yearbooks on e-yearbook. The team photo on the 9th of Nov 1911 in the Globe also shows Batten and provides names against the other faces. Attached Images __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file Last edited by LansdowneSt; 10-23-2022 at 04:47 PM.

10-30-2022, 04:19 PM	#35869
cinemaodyssey All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,975	Roy Hutson 1925 To the best of my knowledge Hutson did not play with a beard during his professional career. Here's a clean-shaven image of him from the 8/20/1928 edition of the Portland Evening Express. Attached Images Last edited by cinemaodyssey; 10-30-2022 at 04:35 PM.

10-31-2022, 12:44 AM	#35870
Dto7 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 882	Roy Hutson played for 1 year with the House of David.

10-31-2022, 08:46 AM	#35872
Jabez54 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Former Southie Posts: 2,114	An interesting topic - here's a list of Pro-Ball players who had don the HoD 's uniforms... http://houseofdavidbaseball.com/players/hired.asp Interesting facts are mentioned in this site... Thank you for the cleaner version of Roy Hutson - nice find!! __________________ Always a pleasure to stop in and visit the neighborhood!!

11-05-2022, 09:58 PM	#35873
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 6,752	Red Murray Howell Saw this Red Murray Howell on ebay as I looked for a picture for a facegen. I ended up using a newspaper clipping and wish I saw this photo first. I had not seen too many Red Murrays even though his family was on the thread looking for pics. I am posting both for the record. Attached Images __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

11-10-2022, 10:10 AM	#35874
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,122	Who do we think this is? Newly listed in Heritage Auctions as a cabinet of an unidentified Giant. From the type of tie, looks more like the 1892-93 photography of the team, than the 1895 shots used in the Newsboy Tobacco cabinet photos of Rusie, Burke, et al - but it could be from anywhere in that span of four or five years. Attached Images

11-10-2022, 01:54 PM	#35875
Chickazoola Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 223	I think it may be Silver King. I did face recognition search using Pimeyes and several photos of King showed up. He was with the Giants in 1892-1893 and I can see a resemblance. Attached Images

11-10-2022, 09:10 PM	#35876
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,122	Silver King 1886 Nice work. And the baby face works too -- he was only 24 when he got to New York. I actually thought it might have been a mascot!

11-13-2022, 08:01 PM	#35878
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,992 Blog Entries: 25	Just to be sure... is this Jack Caulfield (1946)? I can't confirm in the thread since all the previous pictures of him were deleted... Attached Images __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1978) Just the update.

11-13-2022, 09:37 PM	#35879
Jabez54 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Former Southie Posts: 2,114	Yes, it is... Never had seen this in color except in b/w... Just wished there were no watermark... sigh... __________________ Always a pleasure to stop in and visit the neighborhood!! Last edited by Jabez54; 11-13-2022 at 09:38 PM.

11-13-2022, 09:53 PM	#35880
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,992 Blog Entries: 25	Thanks for the confirmation! It wasn't colorized, I use a website to do it since sometimes it's easier to do a FG if you have some colors to work with. __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1978) Just the update.