And the MLB 2020 season negotiations begin - Page 19

CBeisbol · 07-28-2020, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BBGiovanni

Funny that you ask, when I loaded up MLB.tv I noticed the unplayed games from last night were listed as "final" instead of "postponed" as they usually would be... I don't assume that's official but maybe that's what they're doing, for a nice 1870 National Association schedule where some teams play 60 and some play 40?

MLB app has postponed

CBeisbol · 07-28-2020, 02:12 PM

Marlins claiming a lot of players today

Tough situation for the players. These are players on the MLB fringe who are looking for any opportunity to establish themselves. But now that opportunity comes with a team with an outbreak of a deadly virus.

They can accept and put their health at risk or opt out and put their livelihoods at risk

ronhatch · 07-29-2020, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

As we're ****ting on MLB, I would really love some more openness about which players test how for what. It's all hush-hush, as usual. The front page right now features news items about how the Trout hit his first homer in a 3-0 count and how Derek Holland was ejected from a game, but nothing about the Marlins situation. That's poor form and unacceptable.

Pretty sure that part of the issue there is that medical privacy laws make it illegal to tell the world that someone has coronavirus without their permission. Has some really weird consequences when it's obvious they're out of the lineup for a reason, but there it is.

Regarding the other conversation about the extra inning rule, I'd reluctantly accept ties as an improvement over forcing a conclusion, but personally I'm sick of our culture trying to rush everything. I'd rather sit back and savor the game for however long it takes.

CBeisbol · 07-29-2020, 05:33 PM

Joe Kelly 8 game suspension for throwing at Correa and Bregman last night
Dave Roberts 1 game suspension

I don't mind seeing harsher suspensions for throwing at players

thehef · 07-29-2020, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Joe Kelly 8 game suspension for throwing at Correa and Bregman last night
Dave Roberts 1 game suspension

I don't mind seeing harsher suspensions for throwing at players

Watched the game and Kelly was - at best - semi-effectively wild. His pitch near the head of Bregman wasn't even a fastball. And when you factor in that Kelly wasn't even on the Dodger team when the Astros cheated, it seems pretty unlikely that he was actually throwing at Astros players.

So an 8-game suspension is just a mind-numbingly stupid overreaction to an incident that was mostly instigated by the Astros popping off, with Kelly merely reacting.

In the overall scope of the Astros' cheating scandal, for those who think the Astros got off light and were then jerks about it in the aftermath, MLB's overreaction to this event isn't going to make that situation any better. In the end this is just another instance of MLB completely bungling their response to the Astros' cheating scandal.

thehef · 07-29-2020, 06:15 PM

And if the season were 162 games, that's like getting a 22-game suspension. Absurd. Kelly has appealed and I can't imagine that it won't be reduced at least a few games. If not, he should lawyer up.

CBeisbol · 07-29-2020, 06:33 PM

Kelly should win the appeal, because, as far as I know, no indication was made before the season that harsher penalties would be given for throwing at hitters

But, I'd be in favor of harsher penalties going forward

ohiodevil · 07-29-2020, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Joe Kelly 8 game suspension for throwing at Correa and Bregman last night
Dave Roberts 1 game suspension

I don't mind seeing harsher suspensions for throwing at players

I laughed out loud when he did the "pouty face" at Correa when he was walking off the mound.

Westheim · 07-29-2020, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by thehef

And if the season were 162 games, that's like getting a 22-game suspension. Absurd. Kelly has appealed and I can't imagine that it won't be reduced at least a few games. If not, he should lawyer up.

What sort of logic is that supposed to be? Prorated penalties? If a guy hits 13 dingers this year, are we going to enter 35 into the record books, because he did it into a 60-game season? How ridiculous!

But nice to see all the new forever-Astros-haters getting their free swings in.

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Originally Posted by ohiodevil

I laughed out loud when he did the "pouty face" at Correa when he was walking off the mound.

Someone needs his clock cleaned. Maybe next year...

CBeisbol · 07-29-2020, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

What sort of logic is that supposed to be? Prorated penalties? If a guy hits 13 dingers this year, are we going to enter 35 into the record books, because he did it into a 60-game season? How ridiculous!

I know
What's next? Prorated salaries?

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Someone needs his clock cleaned. Maybe next year...

Violence! Yay!

thehef · 07-29-2020, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

What sort of logic is that supposed to be? Prorated penalties? If a guy hits 13 dingers this year, are we going to enter 35 into the record books, because he did it into a 60-game season? How ridiculous!

The point was that 8 games is a pretty significant suspension in a 60-game season, especially when he was obviously very wild and hit nobody. It's an absurd overreaction, IMO.

Westheim · 07-29-2020, 10:08 PM

That pouty face tells me that he tried, though. He had fallen to 3-0, doesn't bother how the batter reaches first. The fourth pitch is not just "wild".

Actually *hitting* a guy can't be the qualifier for whether a penalty is merited or not. I learned that from Tom Hallion in the "Our Ass is in the Jackpot" Game when they tossed Syndergaard for throwing behind Chase Ugly in '16.

CBeisbol · 07-29-2020, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

Chase Ugly

What an innacurate nickname

rudel.dietrich · 07-30-2020, 01:13 AM

Of all the sports fights, baseball fights are among the most silly.

thehef · 07-30-2020, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

That pouty face tells me that he tried, though. He had fallen to 3-0, doesn't bother how the batter reaches first. The fourth pitch is not just "wild".

Actually *hitting* a guy can't be the qualifier for whether a penalty is merited or not. I learned that from Tom Hallion in the "Our Ass is in the Jackpot" Game when they tossed Syndergaard for throwing behind Chase Ugly in '16.

Perhaps the 3-0 pitch was intentional. Perhaps it wasn't. Except when the pitcher admits it, we never really know. And so when deciding on a suspension, everything is (or at least should be) taken into account. And I simply do not see how a) clearly evident wildness, b) not hitting anyone, and c) a pouty face leads to an 8-game suspension... I'm not so much arguing against a suspension, but taking everything into account, I simply cannot see how an 8-gamer is anything other than absurd.

TheMaus2 · 07-30-2020, 08:29 AM

I was pretty entertained by Kelly's antics after leaving the mound tbh

and yeah suspensions for Pitchers for hitting batters should be raised, ridiculous that Ian Kennedy got only 5 games for repeat offenses

CBeisbol · 07-30-2020, 12:06 PM

Also Dusty Baker, I think it's been attributed to him, made a statement which I can't allude to here, or maybe I can, the rules say I can't, but there are multiple instances of people alluding to this word on the forums, even in a thread title, but since the mods can choose when to enforce and when to ignore rules, no one really knows what the rules are - effectively there aren't any...but anyway, if Kelly is given the benefit of the doubt on the pitch to Correa, then the Astros started the problems in this game. Kelly was spiked covering first. Then Baylor made a comment to Kelly using a word that starts with a letter I won't repeat here For Fear oF some heavy-handed modding.

It was only after that, as far as I am aware, that Kelly reacted towards the Astros

David Watts · 07-30-2020, 02:10 PM

Wait a dead guy is to blame? Then again, Baylor did get hit by a ton of pitches and he is buried in Austin Texas.....

Syd Thrift · 07-30-2020, 02:13 PM

The Phillies have canceled their upcoming series against the Blue Jays Rovers and won't play at Citizen's Bank Park until at least next week.

https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/...335315975?s=20

Westheim · 07-30-2020, 04:54 PM

For something else entirely, I'm watching the Wandering Jays - Nationals game and Joe West came out in the first inning after being hit by Bichette's bat.

Which makes me wonder - what is the fewest number of umps you need for a baseball game to go on? One? Two? Three?

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TheMaus2 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The OOTP Forums. Always. Posts: 1,951	I was pretty entertained by Kelly's antics after leaving the mound tbh and yeah suspensions for Pitchers for hitting batters should be raised, ridiculous that Ian Kennedy got only 5 games for repeat offenses __________________ I write a monthly newsletter on the Food Baseball Association. I also listen to music no one's ever heard of in hopes of looking cool and alternative.

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CBeisbol Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Ban land in 3...2... Posts: 2,943	Also Dusty Baker, I think it's been attributed to him, made a statement which I can't allude to here, or maybe I can, the rules say I can't, but there are multiple instances of people alluding to this word on the forums, even in a thread title, but since the mods can choose when to enforce and when to ignore rules, no one really knows what the rules are - effectively there aren't any...but anyway, if Kelly is given the benefit of the doubt on the pitch to Correa, then the Astros started the problems in this game. Kelly was spiked covering first. Then Baylor made a comment to Kelly using a word that starts with a letter I won't repeat here For Fear oF some heavy-handed modding. It was only after that, as far as I am aware, that Kelly reacted towards the Astros Last edited by CBeisbol; 07-30-2020 at 02:23 PM. Reason: Not Don Baylor

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Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 14,052	For something else entirely, I'm watching the Wandering Jays - Nationals game and Joe West came out in the first inning after being hit by Bichette's bat. Which makes me wonder - what is the fewest number of umps you need for a baseball game to go on? One? Two? Three? __________________ Portland Raccoons, 95 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 * 2071 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

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CBeisbol Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Ban land in 3...2... Posts: 2,943	Marlins claiming a lot of players today Tough situation for the players. These are players on the MLB fringe who are looking for any opportunity to establish themselves. But now that opportunity comes with a team with an outbreak of a deadly virus. They can accept and put their health at risk or opt out and put their livelihoods at risk

07-29-2020, 05:33 PM	#364
CBeisbol Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Ban land in 3...2... Posts: 2,943	Joe Kelly 8 game suspension for throwing at Correa and Bregman last night Dave Roberts 1 game suspension I don't mind seeing harsher suspensions for throwing at players

07-29-2020, 06:15 PM	#366
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,380	And if the season were 162 games, that's like getting a 22-game suspension. Absurd. Kelly has appealed and I can't imagine that it won't be reduced at least a few games. If not, he should lawyer up.

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CBeisbol Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Ban land in 3...2... Posts: 2,943	Kelly should win the appeal, because, as far as I know, no indication was made before the season that harsher penalties would be given for throwing at hitters But, I'd be in favor of harsher penalties going forward

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rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Of all the sports fights, baseball fights are among the most silly.

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David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,140 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Wait a dead guy is to blame? Then again, Baylor did get hit by a ton of pitches and he is buried in Austin Texas.....