New HW Boxers Rated

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Hey Gunsmoke,

McMurray was one guy I was looking at doing a rating for here in the near future! You saved me some work!! Thanks much for him.

Getting a bit side tracked here with the Gerhard Zech replay. I've been going over fighters during that 1967 year and looking to come up with some kind of rankings to see just how I want to proceed with Zech. Anyway, going through guys records there's a few heavyweights from the 60's who I've had on my mind for some time to rate and decided to go ahead a take a little time to do them. I've been wanting to rate a few new guys.

First up is ......

Sonny Moore - USA
1957-73
25 wins / 36 losses / 3 draws / 14 KO

A real busy journeyman heavyweight of the late 50's to early 70's. He beat an Al Gonzalez for the Texas State Heavyweight Title in Feb. 1963 then lost the title in April 1963 to Tod Herring. He Challenged DAve Zyglewicz for the Texas title in July 1966 loosing a 10 round decision to Z.

Other noteable fights included 3 wins over busy journeyman LHW of the period, Alvin Williams(53-35-7), along with wins over George (Scrap Iron) Johnson, Jefferson Davis, and a 10 round draw with Terry Daniels.

He lost fights to Buddy Turman(Twice), Ernie Cab, Zora Folley, Scrap Iron JOhnson, Franco DePiccoli, Cleveland Williams, Dave Zyglewicz(Twice), Al Jones, Jack Bodell, Buster Mathis, Bob Foster, Mac Foster, Sonny Liston, Folley again, Terry Daniels, Ernie Terrell, Welterweight Dave Hilton(who ventured up into the middleweight and heavyweight classes), and finally another loss to Terry Daniels.

Fought quite a few recognizable names, but, without success in most cases.


Enjoy....

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Dick Wipperman - USA
1961-68
32 wins / 14 losses / 1 draw / 16 KO

Dick Wipperman built up an impressive 29-2-2 record from 1961 to mid 1964 against the array of punching bags and club fighters who don't amount to much. Then in October and November of 1964 and January of 1965 he fought successive fights against James J. Beattie, Oscar Bonavena and Henry Cooper. He was KO'd in 7 by Beattie, lost a 10 round UD to Bonavena and was TKO'd in 5 by Cooper. This was the beginning of Wipperman's exposure of being not much more then maybe a club heavyweight fighter himself. Interesting thing though he still got matched up with some of the top echelon Heavyweights even after the disasters with Beattie, Bonavena and Cooper. Trouble was, he continued to show he could no way match up with them.

AFter the Cooper fight, he rang up 4 more wins against nobodys, then he got a fight with a young new heavyweight on the scene by the name of Joe Frazier. Wipperman and Frazier went at it in March 1966. It was Frazier's 6th professional fight. It all ended it another 5th round TKO loss for Wipperman. After that he fought some guy name Ted Fletcher who was fighting his first professional fight. Wipperman managed to KO Fletcher in the 6th in June 1966. For what ever reason the two fought again 2 months later in Quebec, Canada. TKO win in 8 for Wipperman who's now 32-6-1.

That's all she wrote for Wipperman's career as he then from late 66 thru to Sept. 1968 looses his last 8 fights, 4 by knockout. He's KO'd twice in straight fights by George Chuvalo, then looses two 10 round decisions to James J. Beattie and another 10 round decision to Alvin (Blue) Lewis. Wipperman then is Ko'd in straight fights by Bob Felstein and Tony Ventura before he hangs up the gloves after another 10 round decision loss, this time to Buster Mathis, him Sept. 1968.

Two destinct careers. 32-2-1, 16KO's against the bottom of the heavyweight barrel and 0-12-0 with all 7 of his career stoppages against the mid to upper level of the barrel.

Enjoy.....
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Floyd Joyner - USA
1954-68
20 wins / 18 losses / 3 draws / 9 KO

Joyner's career was a tale of 2 entirely different stages. The first part, 1954 thru 1964 he was 19-9-3 with 9 KO's. He was stopped himself twice. He fought no one though of any consecuence. He beat a hard working journeyman of the 50's by the name of Rusty Payne(41-24-1 lifetime) who was ending the end of his career in 1958-59, and Joyner defeated a LHW by the name of Alvin Williams who accumulated a 53-35-7 record in the 50's. In July 1961 he defeated a Dave Furch for the Arizona State Heavyweight Title. He KO'd in the 1st a guy named Don Quinn in March 1964 who was 21-7-0 at the time.

Then he lost 8 straight fights by KO's! The first 6 he lasted 3 or fewer rounds. The last two he was KO'd in the 7th. He lost those 8 fights to Franco DePiccoli, George Logan, Zora Folley, Billy Daniels, Manuel Ramos, Mac Foster and Tony(Kid)Longoria.

Joyner then managed a 5 round decision win over a Lee Estes(1-3-0) before he was stopped in two fights in 1968 by Tony Doyle to end his career.

Enjoy....
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Next guys up I'm working on are...

Jose Giorgetti, a hard hitting Argentinian HW champion in the late 50's to early 60's. Ran up an impressive record fighting only in his native Argentinia, but he had fights with Corletti, Bonavena and Roberto Davilia in the mid 60's. Wanted some more South American representation in the game.

Dave Zyglewicz, a guy who ran up an impressive record in a pretty short period of time, getting a few tights with a handful of somewhat noteable HW's of the 60's, then he got his one big chance in 69 against Frazier.

Franco DePiccoli from Italy. 1960 Olympic HW Champion. Another guy who rang up a lot of wins in a short time against mostly bottom of the barrel HW's, but did fight a few of the HW's in the game and some that I and others have added. Had 30KO's in his 38 wins.

Buddy Turman was a busy trailhorse of the 50's and 60's running up a 45-15-2 record. Again, he fought a number of guys in the game and others we've added so I thought him an interesting addition to do.

Wilhelm von Homburg was an actual opponant of Zech whom I think we'll still have fight after Zech is done playing around with trying to keep up with the big boys in my replay Wilhelm had 24KO's in 29 wins. He too fought a good number of fights against rated opponents.

I got these guys rated and bios all written up for them. Just need to play test them. Hope I can get them to you all maybe in the next day or so.


Rocco

[vistaman44]

Sounds like an interesting bunch, Rocco. Heard or read of all except DePicolli. Looking forward to seeing them. Thanks!

[LeeSkye]

Thanks Rocco. Appreciate the work. Have not been able to get at the guys I want to finish off. A thing called life keeps gettin' in the way.

[Gunsmoke]

Good work Rocco, I was going to look at Dave Z myself in the near future as just about every record I look at from the 60's features one his fights somewhere, so I look forward to seeing his ratings.

Cube - it does seem like Shavers fists where the last in ring experience for an awful lot of fighters, but I don't know the answer to your question off hand.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Jose Biorgetti - Argentina
1957-1968
36 wins / 8 losses / 2 draws / 33 KO

Hometown: Necochea, Buenos Aires
Birthplace: Quequen, Buenos Aires

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

A heavyweight out of South America with knock out punch and a good chin. He spent his entire career fighting in his native land of Argentina. He was the Argentine Heavyweight Champ from June 1959 until he was defeated by Gregorio Peralta in a 12 round decision in August 1962. Four month prior to the title fight he lost a 10 round decision to Peralta. Before the two Peralta fights in Feb. 1960 Giorgetti lost a 2nd round KO to Alex Miteff. In March and April 1966 he beat Oscar Bonavena by an 8th round disqualification of Bonavena. Oscar came back in April in a rematch and defeated Giorgetti in a 10 round decision.

In June 1966 he then defeated Roberto Davila in a 10 round decision. His last two fights of noteability were a 10 round decision loss to Eduardo Corletti in October 1966 and then a 9th round TKO loss to Bonavena in January 1967. He also lost an 8th round Technical decision to Santiago Alberto Lovell(31-15-2) another busy Argentinian of the 60's and 70's.

The rest of Giorgetti's career around the mentioned noteable fights were a mix of the unmentionables. He packed what appeared to be a big punch. It would be interesting to see what he'd do against some competition outside of Argentina.


Enjoy...
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Dave Zyglewicz - USA
1965-70, 72,75,82
31 wins / 4 losses / 1 draw / 17 KO

Hometown: Houston, TX
Birthplace: Troy, NY
Trainer: Perry Payne
Manager: Hugh Benbow

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Ziggy's career started out 24-0-0 defeating Ray Martin twice in 1965 and 1966 and Sonny Moore in 1966 for the Texas State Heavyweight Title. Other noteable fights in this time period were wins over ARchie Ray, Billy Daniels, Willi Besmanoff, Sonny Moore again, and Bill McMurray. His winning streak ended at 24 when he lost a 10 round decision to a guy named Sam Wyatt(6-7-2 at the time), in April 1968. Ziggy then put together 4 more wins against Levi Forte, Willie Johnson, Bob Felstein and Pedro Rene Sanchez before he was awarded for this 28-1-0 record with a shot at Joe Frazier in April 1969 for the NYSAC Heavyweight Title which was 1/2 of the Heavyweight crown, the other 1/2 recognized as being Jimmy Ellis by the WBA. Ziggy was no match for Joe as Frazier decked Zyglewicz in the 1st round of the scheduled 15 round bout.

Zyglewicz's career was mostly finished after that. In the rest of 1969 and 1970 he was 1-1-1 then didn't go into the ring again till April 1972 when he KO'd in the 2nd a Curtis Whitner(0-1-0). He then stayed out of the ring again till September 1975 when he fought a Bobby Walker(5-5-0 then). Walker won by 5th round TKO. Ziggy hung the gloves up for good it was thought until for whatever reason he came out in October 1982 in Latham, NY to fight a guy named Clyde Mudgett(17-14-0 then). Ziggy TKO'd Mudgett in the 2nd round to ring up his 31st and last career win.

Enjoy....
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Here's a photo of Zyglewicz I found in one of my very few books on boxing I have

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Franco DePiccoli - Italy
1960-1965
38 wins / 4 losses / 0 draw / 30 KO

Alias: Francesco
Birthplace: Venice

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

1960 Olympic Heavyweight Gold Metalist defeating Daniel Bekker with a 1st round Knockout

DePiccoli's career was a short but busy one. Interesting in that his first career fight was Dec. 26, 1960 and his last career fight was Dec. 26, 1965. An average slightly better then 8 fights a year!

His noteable career wins were against Bobby Warmbrunn, Alain Cherville, Werner Walloschek, Mariano Echevarria, Ulli Ritter, Buddy Turman, Ray Shiel, John Riggins, Billy Daniels, Floyd Joyner, and Sonny Moore.

His 4 career losses each came in sets of 2. After compiling a 25-0-0 record against the lowest pile of heavyweights, he got consecutive fights against Wayne Bethea and Joe Bygraves. Bethea KO'd DePiccoli in the 4th and Brygraves dispatched him in the 5th round. Then after 13 more wins against mostly unmentionables, he lost what turned out to be his last 2 career fights. He was KO'd in 6 by a guy named Everett Copeland who was only 2-7-3 at the time and then Peter Weiland, in his 9th career fight defeated Franco by TKO in the 2nd round.

Enjoy....
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Buddy Turman - USA
1954-1967
45 wins / 15 losses / 2 draws / 32 KO

Hometown: Tyler, TX

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

One very busy heavyweight of the 50's and 60's fought a number of the recognizable names in the heavyweights in the game and whom others have rated. He fought once for a title, that the Texas State Heavyweight Title in 1955 loosing a 12 round decision to Roy Harris.

Turman's noteable victories against rated fighters include Tommy Fields, Bob Cleroux, Sonny Moore in two straight fights, Ulli Ritter, and Dave Bailey.

He fought a 10 round draws with George (Scrap Iron) Johnson and Donnie Fleeman.

Losses included to Oscar Pharo, Roy Harris, Donnie Fleeman, Bob Cleroux, two straight to Archie Moore, Franco DePiccoli, Piero Tomasoni, Yvan Prebeg, Jack Bodell and Dante Cane.

[IceTea]

Bryan Scott, an update of A. Harrisoin, T. Sykes, Tye Fields, Shazzon Bradley and others.

MJ

[mh2365]

Thanks to everyone in this thread and all others who have contributed ratings .... I can come up with some pictures every now and then, but I couldn't rate boxers .... Either I'm not patient enough or just don't have the smarts .... Glad you guys are around ... I know "fanboy"

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Wilhelm von Homburg - Germany
1962-1970

29 wins / 11 losses / 6 draws / 24 KO

Alias: Norbert Grupe/Prinz
Hometown: St. Pauli, Germany
Birthplace: Berlin, Germany
Manager: Willy Zeller

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

von Homburg fought Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight in his career. In November 1966 he fought Piero Del Papa for the Eurpean Light Heavyweight Title. Del Papa went down in the 1st round of this fight, but then in the 11th round ahead on points, von Homburg was controversially disqualified for headbutting. In November 1968, he won a 10 round decision against Gerhard Zech in a German Heavyweight Title Eliminator bout. The bout was first ruled a draw, but changed to a decision for Wilhelm due to an error by the refree.

Some of von Homburg's noteable fights against rated fighters included wins against Bob McKinney, Ulli Ritter, and Archie McBride. He fought draws with Ulli Ritter, Archie McBride, and Erich Schoppner. He lost fights to Piero Tomasoni, Oscar Bonavena, and Jurgen Blin.

In January, February, and April, 1969 he fought 3 straight fights with Giulio Rinaldi. The first and third fights, Von Homburg won by TKO in the 5th and 8th rounds. The middle fight ended in a 10 round decision loss to Rinaldi.


One of Zech's upcoming opponents.

Enjoy...

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Here's a guy to really fatten up someone's record with. He was Gerhard Zech's 3rd to last career opponent. A Lefty like Gerhard, but hardly as successful.

Ireno Werleman - Aruba
1966-1975

5 wins / 23 losses / 1 draw / 4 KO

Alias: Verie

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

A punching bag opponent for someone to fatten up thier record with in the mid 60's to mid 70's. He was KO'd in 18 of his 23 losses.

Some of his oppenents were Yvan Prebeg, Benito Canal, Jose Manuel Urtain, Mariano Echevarria, Mario Baruzzi, Gerhard Zech, Bepi Ros, Piero Del Papa, and Jean-Pierre Coopman Twice. He lost all of these fights except to Canal.

Enjoy....
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

This Heavyweight is actually from the late 50's to early 60's. Held the Italian HW Title for a short while.

Bruno Scarbellin - Italy
1957-1961

27 wins / 6 losses / 1 draw / 14 KO

Hometown: Venice

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

AFter compiling a 23-1-1 record, Bruno won the then vacant Italian Heavyweight Title by 8th round KO over Massimo Zanaboni in June 1959. Fights leading up to that title fight included wins over Alain Cherville twice, Jose Gonzales Sales, and Gawie de Klerk. His only loss was a 2nd round KO by Al Kramp.

After winning the Italian title, Bruno lost a 10 round decision to Joe Erskine. He beat Vittorio Stagni in a defence of the Italian title in March 1960. Three months later he was defeated in the 3rd round by KO to Federico Friso, loosing the Italian HW Title. Bruno won 2 and lost 2 to finish up his career.

Enjoy....

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Elmer Rush - USA
1962-67, 73-74

16 wins / 6 losses / 2 draws / 10 KO

Hometown: San Fracisco, CA
Manager: Jack Hurley

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Elmer fought from 1962 through April 1967 when on that date he
was KO'd in the 6th by Sonny Liston. Elmer hung up the gloves
then until December of 1973 when he came out of "retirement"
and fought Pat Duncan loosing a 4th round TKO. He len beat Lou
Bailey in an 8 round decision before finally hanging up the
gloves for good after being KO'd in the 2nd by Terry Hinke in
July 1974.

Previous to the Liston fight Rush had Lost 2 fights to Amos
Lincoln and then defeated Amos Johnson 2 months before the
Liston bout. That along with the 73-74 venture put Bush at only
2-5-0 after starting his career, 14-1-2.

His first career fight was a 6 round decision against John
Riggins. Later fights included 2 wins and a draw against Bill
McMurray, a win and his only loss in this time period against
Tod Herring. He fought a 10 round draw against Eddie Machen and won decisions against George (Scrap Iron) Johnson and Billy
Daniels before the two Amos Lincoln fights in June and August
1966.

Enjoy....
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Archie Ray - USA
1962-1967

20 wins / 13 losses / 2 draws / 12 KO

Hometown: Tucson, AZ

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Archie built a 20-4-2 record against the usual array of unmentionables. His only fights against anyone in the game or added to are Tony Doyle and Elmer Rusch. Both of those fights Ray lost by KO. He fought and defeated in successive fights a light heavyweight by the name of Bobby Rascon who piled up a 40-33-1 career record. Once Ray started fighting some upper echelon fighters, his career dropped off the face of the earth.

From May 1966 to December 1967 he lost his last 9 straight fights to Manuel Ramos, Boone Kirkman, Kirkman, Dave Zyglewicz, Amos Lincoln, Florida Al Jones, George Chuvalo, LHW-Tony Montano(49-32-3) which was for the Arizona State HW Title, and finally to Boone Kirkman again to end his career. After 8 round decision losses to Ramos and the first 2 Kirkman fights, Ray was stopped in 5 of the last 6 fights.

What I ended up doing with Ray's ratings is the last 9 fights I played against these guys in the game except Montano who is not. The ratings I got set will average around 2-7 with 4 KO's against theses guys while then if you sim the other 26 bouts of the first part of his career against 1 rated fighters, he'll average around 12-14 wins and 9-11 losses, 9 KO's with him stopped an average of 6 to 7 times.

Rocco

[Gunsmoke]

Hi Guys

Here's one for all the British Heavyweight followers, so they can complete one of THE fantasy 80's HW matchups of Notice v Bruno

Horace Notice
1983-1988

Career Record: 16-0-0 (12)

Horace Notice was a young fighter on the rise when his career was cut short in a Commonwealth and British Heavyweight Title defense against Hughroy Currie, when he suffered a detached retina and prematurely ended his boxing career, leaving the fortunes of British heavyweights in the hands of stablemate Frank Bruno.

Before his untimely retirement, Notice built an impressive record through the first parts of his career following the traditional path of the British Heavyweight onto the world stage, through the Commonwealth title. Amongst his notable wins are a points victory over a then undefeated Ancalet Wamba, six defenses of the Commonwealth Heavyweight crown against the likes of Australian Dean Waters and Paul Lister.

Notice's Bouts:
1988-03-09 Hughroy Currie 16-7-1 W TKO 10
1987-12-02 Dean Waters 5-2-0 W TKO 4
1987-11-03 Paul Lister 10-1-0 W KO 3
1987-05-26 Dave Garside 23-8-0 W TKO 5
1987-03-04 Proud Kilimanjaro 22-2-0 W TKO 8
1986-05-07 Mike Jameson 15-10-0 W PTS 10
1986-04-12 Hughroy Currie 12-5-1 W TKO 6
1986-03-04 Curtis Jones 1-4-0 W KO 2
1985-10-16 Anaclet Wamba 13-0-0 W PTS 8
1985-10-03 Noel Quarless 12-7-0 W KO 7
1985-03-26 Bob Young 10-11-2 W KO 2
1984-11-27 Winston Allen 11-16-0 W PTS 6
1984-10-26 Paddy Finn 4-1-0 W TKO 3
1984-04-27 Andrew Gerrard 6-5-2 W TKO 2
1983-11-30 Theo Josephs 11-26-0 W KO 1
1983-10-24 Andrew Gerrard 5-4-2 W PTS 6


BTW Rocco, I'm looking at doing Hein Muller next, but I will hold back if you have already started on him. Thanks for Rush he was on my list to be done soon

Cheers,
Mark