Every player on the 40 man roster does NOT need to have a ML contract!! - Page 2

Marc Duffy · 07-07-2006, 05:49 PM

I appreciate bp_ that it's a problem to you, I can do nothing more at this stage than to offer you the opportunity to log this in the support forum and we'll take it from there.

andymac · 07-07-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bp_

Stock answer. Shouldn't matter. How hard is it to transfer the same logic when it comes to a set of rules for roster eligibility. Anyway...

Well, it is a stock answer to an annoying question. You can't just copy-paste code over from one version to another when re-write's happen. Stuff can get missed or messed up with the addition of other things. It is good to point out these logical errors, but doing so in a productive fashion and without whining would be even better.

andymac · 07-07-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Opinion

Apparently, the raise is to at least a minimum contract of $37,000. It's still not a major league contract ($300k), but it does have a least a minimum that they must paid.

Cool...that is actually something that didn't happen in 6.5 and is a nice addition as those guys on the 40-man should be costing the big league club something, just not the full major league minimum.

bp_ · 07-07-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

I appreciate bp_ that it's a problem to you, I can do nothing more at this stage than to offer you the opportunity to log this in the support forum and we'll take it from there.

And I appreciate that it will be looked at. Sorry if I sound annoyed, but I am/was. I was looking forward to playing my league but this issue makes it a problem.

Zeyes · 07-07-2006, 05:56 PM

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BigMember · 07-07-2006, 06:00 PM

I guess the "dream team" got caught "day dreaming."

andymac · 07-07-2006, 06:01 PM

It seems to be brought up in the other thread that these players (i.e. 40-man, but not 25-man) are getting 37,000 contracts (which seems reasonable). So, I'm not sure this is actually a problem. IRL, players do get a certain amount of money for being on the 40-man roster while they are not on the 25-man and it does other things like make them part of the MLBPA and such.

The problem I see is that players with major league contracts aren't allowed to be removed from the 40-man, clear waivers, and then be placed on a minor league team of the same organization. Apparently they are being forced to either be placed back on the 40-man or released. I havn't had the chance to try to dupilicate it myself, but that is my understanding from reading others' reports.

bp_ · 07-07-2006, 06:01 PM

unless...anyone know the answer to this?

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Originally Posted by bp_

Question - I haven't patched yet. If I have a game started already will the game give all the minor leaguers on my 40-man a major league deal or does this only happen when starting a new league? Thx.

Marc Duffy · 07-07-2006, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMember

I guess the "dream team" got caught "day dreaming."

It was all the ice-cream we bought them

BigMember · 07-07-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

It was all the ice-cream we bought them

I hear ya.

bp_ · 07-07-2006, 06:57 PM

Instead of just "whining" I'll add a little visual evidence to the mix now that I patched. I had a guy (A. Ohtsuka) who wasn't on my 40 man and only had a minor league contract. I added him to the 40 man roster, simmed a day and now he has the league minimum.

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It seems to be brought up in the other thread that these players (i.e. 40-man, but not 25-man) are getting 37,000 contracts (which seems reasonable). So, I'm not sure this is actually a problem. IRL, players do get a certain amount of money for being on the 40-man roster while they are not on the 25-man and it does other things like make them part of the MLBPA and such.

I also disagree with this statement. While all minor league players get money IRL to play baseball in OOTP you can't have some getting $ and some not. Either you implement a financial system for the minors (NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS) or you get rid of this issue.

mgsports79 · 07-07-2006, 08:20 PM

If a person is claimed of Waviers the person shouldn't be released he should go directly to the team that claimed him.
A person a that still has minor league options should be placed on waviers or designed/designated for Assignment because I have team in my league who did that and some of the people were Josh Johnson,Mike Jacobs,Reggie A. and so on.
Also add to the Deisgned/Designated for Assignment options for the computer to try and trade the person to get something in return and it could just be a Draft Pick or Cash that okay with me or Prospects or so on and that's also okay for me because Iv'e have people like Jeff Conine,Carl Everett,Paul LA Duca,Juan Perrie,Luis Castillo,Matt Clement and so people from my All Time Great Florida Marlins get Designed/Designated for Assignment and then get released and the computer GM has no time to try and trade them so I can get something in return for them so I don't lose the good person for nothing.

endgame · 07-07-2006, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

The problem I see is that players with major league contracts aren't allowed to be removed from the 40-man, clear waivers, and then be placed on a minor league team of the same organization. Apparently they are being forced to either be placed back on the 40-man or released. I havn't had the chance to try to dupilicate it myself, but that is my understanding from reading others' reports.

I'm having trouble understanding your concern here, andymac. A player with a ML contract has always been required to be on the 40-Man roster. You can move him to the minors, but he has to remain on the 40-man there. At the risk of walking into the fire, I personally looked at this very recently and there was a problem, but the last time I saw it, you could use the right-click transaction button and DFA the player, place him on waivers, once he cleared waivers, right-click to demote him, and it was fine. I may be missing a step in there somewhere in the sequence.

I'm home now, so I'll get a chance to re-look again later tonight. But do please keep posting your exact concerns so I can get this back on the table if it needs to be. I really thought we had it licked.

endgame · 07-07-2006, 10:24 PM

Get a dola here.

Example I just went through. See if I'm missing something here that you want to accomplish or that is wrong. This looks right to me:

Middle Reliever Colin Davis is on the Active Roster with a ML contract. He is also out of options. I want to demote him to AAA. I recognize that he will be mandated to stay on the 40 Man and keep his contract in order to play there.

The scenario as I played it out:

Drag and Drop right to AAA -> Message: Out of Options, Must Clear Waivers
Right-Click -> Place on Waivers
Right-Click -> Place on DFA (He's going somewhere, right?)
-----at this point he is NOT on the 40-Man and on both transaction lists.
3 Days Later he clears waivers without being claimed.
DFA Screen -> Demote to AAA -> Message: Must be on 40-Man (Right)
Drag and Drop him to 40-Man
Right-Click -> Demote to AAA
He is now on the AAA roster, has his ML contract, and is on the 40-Man.

He still shows on the Waiver Screen as Cleared Waivers (I leave him there in case I decide to make any other moves as his Clear status will be in effect. - Note: 6.5 used to do this all the time with its players, i.e. leave them Clear for their future moves)

The Wolf · 07-07-2006, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

This isnt 6.5, this is a total rewrite.

You can still copy the AI logic and just update/change the code, as the logic does not change.

Ryan W. · 07-07-2006, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

You can still copy the AI logic and just update/change the code, as the logic does not change.

That would be pretty difficult considering all of the ratings have changed. He could take out the pseudocode and figure out how the new ratings hit into the old system, but a simple cut-and-paste is not going to fix the problem...

andymac · 07-07-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

Get a dola here.

Example I just went through. See if I'm missing something here that you want to accomplish or that is wrong. This looks right to me:

Middle Reliever Colin Davis is on the Active Roster with a ML contract. He is also out of options. I want to demote him to AAA. I recognize that he will be mandated to stay on the 40 Man and keep his contract in order to play there.

The scenario as I played it out:

Drag and Drop right to AAA -> Message: Out of Options, Must Clear Waivers
Right-Click -> Place on Waivers
Right-Click -> Place on DFA (He's going somewhere, right?)
-----at this point he is NOT on the 40-Man and on both transaction lists.
3 Days Later he clears waivers without being claimed.
DFA Screen -> Demote to AAA -> Message: Must be on 40-Man (Right)
Drag and Drop him to 40-Man
Right-Click -> Demote to AAA
He is now on the AAA roster, has his ML contract, and is on the 40-Man.

He still shows on the Waiver Screen as Cleared Waivers (I leave him there in case I decide to make any other moves as his Clear status will be in effect. - Note: 6.5 used to do this all the time with its players, i.e. leave them Clear for their future moves)

If he clears waivers, then why should he have to be put back on the 40-man roster to go to a minor league roster?

endgame · 07-07-2006, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

If he clears waivers, then why should he have to be put back on the 40-man roster to go to a minor league roster?

Because he still has a ML contract.

endgame · 07-07-2006, 11:32 PM

On another note, I've just finished putting quite a few minor-leaguers on to 40-Man rosters and I haven't seen any awarded ML contracts as a result of it, so it must be a team GM/AI decision to correlate the two. This one I'll keep looking into further.

endgame · 07-07-2006, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

If he clears waivers, then why should he have to be put back on the 40-man roster to go to a minor league roster?

Here's the original post from the original thread that got us looking into the issue, although this thread comes at it from the reverse:

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Originally Posted by bp_

Am I missing a setting that makes sure major league contracts must be on the 40-man roster?

I just signed a guy to a major league deal and the game let me demote him to AAA without adding him to the 40-man roster. 40-man rosters are turned on and I'm using the patched version of OOTP2006.

07-07-2006, 06:00 PM	#26
BigMember Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Independence MO Posts: 168	I guess the "dream team" got caught "day dreaming." __________________ "Is that my shoe over there? No, that one! Give it to me!"

07-07-2006, 06:01 PM	#27
andymac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Effingham, IL Posts: 5,725	It seems to be brought up in the other thread that these players (i.e. 40-man, but not 25-man) are getting 37,000 contracts (which seems reasonable). So, I'm not sure this is actually a problem. IRL, players do get a certain amount of money for being on the 40-man roster while they are not on the 25-man and it does other things like make them part of the MLBPA and such. The problem I see is that players with major league contracts aren't allowed to be removed from the 40-man, clear waivers, and then be placed on a minor league team of the same organization. Apparently they are being forced to either be placed back on the 40-man or released. I havn't had the chance to try to dupilicate it myself, but that is my understanding from reading others' reports. __________________ June Madness: Links FTB: andymac Last edited by andymac; 07-07-2006 at 06:03 PM.

07-07-2006, 08:20 PM	#32
mgsports79 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 121	If a person is claimed of Waviers the person shouldn't be released he should go directly to the team that claimed him. A person a that still has minor league options should be placed on waviers or designed/designated for Assignment because I have team in my league who did that and some of the people were Josh Johnson,Mike Jacobs,Reggie A. and so on. Also add to the Deisgned/Designated for Assignment options for the computer to try and trade the person to get something in return and it could just be a Draft Pick or Cash that okay with me or Prospects or so on and that's also okay for me because Iv'e have people like Jeff Conine,Carl Everett,Paul LA Duca,Juan Perrie,Luis Castillo,Matt Clement and so people from my All Time Great Florida Marlins get Designed/Designated for Assignment and then get released and the computer GM has no time to try and trade them so I can get something in return for them so I don't lose the good person for nothing. __________________ Viva la Mexican Revolution!

07-07-2006, 10:24 PM	#34
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	Get a dola here. Example I just went through. See if I'm missing something here that you want to accomplish or that is wrong. This looks right to me: Middle Reliever Colin Davis is on the Active Roster with a ML contract. He is also out of options. I want to demote him to AAA. I recognize that he will be mandated to stay on the 40 Man and keep his contract in order to play there. The scenario as I played it out: Drag and Drop right to AAA -> Message: Out of Options, Must Clear Waivers Right-Click -> Place on Waivers Right-Click -> Place on DFA (He's going somewhere, right?) -----at this point he is NOT on the 40-Man and on both transaction lists. 3 Days Later he clears waivers without being claimed. DFA Screen -> Demote to AAA -> Message: Must be on 40-Man (Right) Drag and Drop him to 40-Man Right-Click -> Demote to AAA He is now on the AAA roster, has his ML contract, and is on the 40-Man. He still shows on the Waiver Screen as Cleared Waivers (I leave him there in case I decide to make any other moves as his Clear status will be in effect. - Note: 6.5 used to do this all the time with its players, i.e. leave them Clear for their future moves) Attached Images __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________ Last edited by endgame; 07-07-2006 at 10:29 PM.

07-07-2006, 11:32 PM	#39
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	On another note, I've just finished putting quite a few minor-leaguers on to 40-Man rosters and I haven't seen any awarded ML contracts as a result of it, so it must be a team GM/AI decision to correlate the two. This one I'll keep looking into further. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

07-07-2006, 05:49 PM	#21
Marc Duffy SI Marketing Wizard Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Old Street, London Posts: 4,741	I appreciate bp_ that it's a problem to you, I can do nothing more at this stage than to offer you the opportunity to log this in the support forum and we'll take it from there.

07-07-2006, 05:56 PM	#25
Zeyes All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 818	.