Brett Favre: The NFL's Barry Bonds?

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Thats a little far fetch. You cant put up his numbers being just an above average qb. If he was just an above average qb he would have lost his starting job a long time ago. Yeah Farve takes a little more chance but he was never a Bart Starr type qb. Telling Farve to qb like say Troy Aikman is like telling Marshall Faulk to play like Jim Brown.

Why would an above average QB necessarily lost his starting job?

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Thats a little far fetch. You cant put up his numbers being just an above average qb. If he was just an above average qb he would have lost his starting job a long time ago. Yeah Farve takes a little more chance but he was never a Bart Starr type qb. Telling Farve to qb like say Troy Aikman is like telling Marshall Faulk to play like Jim Brown.

I think he was a great QB during the 1990s/early00s, but most of the last 5 years prior to this year, he had clearly fell some. He still was better than most, but probably not Top 10 anymore. (though lesser talent around, probably did affect this some)

[railroad_ross]

Farve has had people buffaloed for a long time... we forget coming into the league he was an arrogant boozer that needed his coaches to reign him in. Also, he is still the only player to violate the league substance abuse policy and not get a suspension. He's a prick and it doesn't matter if TJ says is or somebody with more integrity says it. It's true. Also the report is that others on the Jets didn't buy Farves Golden Boy act either.

[sayheykid]

I have always been a big Packer's fan, but, personally my opinion of Favre took a HUGE nosedive a number of years ago. When he was going for the record for most consecutive games played, he had an injured hand and couldn't throw ball any farther than 20-25 yards. However, the fact that the Pack lost (4 or5 in a row???) was immaterial to Favre (and apparently Holmgren). After all, he had a record to break. Ever since then a have seen him for what he is, a very expensive hotdog.

[The Professor]

Originally Posted by sayheykid

I have always been a big Packer's fan, but, personally my opinion of Favre took a HUGE nosedive a number of years ago. When he was going for the record for most consecutive games played, he had an injured hand and couldn't throw ball any farther than 20-25 yards. However, the fact that the Pack lost (4 or5 in a row???) was immaterial to Favre (and apparently Holmgren). After all, he had a record to break. Ever since then a have seen him for what he is, a very expensive hotdog.

I thought he broke the consecutive starts record in 1999, when Ray Rhodes was the coach?

When he broke the record, on November 7, against the Bears, the Packers took a loss bringing their record to 4-4 (they were 4-3 going into the "record" game).

That team ended up 8-8 on the year.

While I suppose it is fair to consider Favre an "expensive hotdog", I'm not sure these above quoted "facts" are good reasons to do so.

As for the Favre=Bonds stuff.

Are you kidding? Not even close. Ditto most of what Prodigal Son and Cooley have said, or at least the spirit of their posts.

[Long_Long_Name]

Originally Posted by railroad_ross

Farve has had people buffaloed for a long time... we forget coming into the league he was an arrogant boozer that needed his coaches to reign him in. Also, he is still the only player to violate the league substance abuse policy and not get a suspension. He's a prick and it doesn't matter if TJ says is or somebody with more integrity says it. It's true. Also the report is that others on the Jets didn't buy Farves Golden Boy act either.

How is not being suspended something to be held against him, though?

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

How is not being suspended something to be held against him, though?

The preception of preferred treatment, two sets of rules depending on who you are or what your status is within the organization?

That's just my stab at it, assuming the claim is true that is.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by railroad_ross

Also, he is still the only player to violate the league substance abuse policy and not get a suspension.

Source?

[Long_Long_Name]

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

The preception of preferred treatment, two sets of rules depending on who you are or what your status is within the organization?

That's just my stab at it, assuming the claim is true that is.

So, it's Brett Favre's fault that his status caused some people not to suspend him? I hardly think it's fair to "blame" him for not getting suspended.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

So, it's Brett Favre's fault that his status caused some people not to suspend him? I hardly think it's fair to "blame" him for not getting suspended.

That's not even what happened. Under the NFL non-PED substance abuse rules, the first offense only leads to being entered into a program. The positive tests are anonymous. Suspensions don't enter the picture until a second failed test or failure to complete a treatment program.

The only reason we knew about Favre's first offense is because he held a press conference to talk about it.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

Why would an above average QB necessarily lost his starting job?

I ment if he was saying Farve isnt in the class of Manning & Elway. If he was just good enough to start but wasnt great somebody might have taken his job away by now.

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

My biggest problem with Farve is that he waits so damn late into the summer to decide to come back. If my memory is correct Clemens by the opening of ST has pretty much decided he wants to play and then gets himself ready for a may/june return

Boxers can retire/unretire as much as they like since it is not a team sport. When you play a team sport you sort of have to keep the team in mind when making decisions like this.

ANd one difference between Clemens and Favre. Was Clemens was a FA, so any indecision didnt put a team into uncertainty. If the Astros and Yankees could sign him great. They added something midseason. They didnt have to effectively waste a spot on the 40 man roster until he decided what to do.