Finding Cheap Pitching - Page 2

tejdog1 · 12-17-2014, 05:28 AM

K/9
BB/9
K/BB
FIP
BABIP (if you have a good defensive team and the other teams do not)

And honestly? On a 1/100 scale, I'd look for 40 stuff, 50 movement, 50 command in the Rule V/FAs.

moneyball · 12-17-2014, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Tram2Whitaker

If this is a MLB game, seriously look at Rule 5 pitchers; I mean, you have to look out, because sometimes the A.I. waive veterans with big contracts, but for the most part they're on minor league deals. Take a few with you into spring training (where you can see them in action), and if they don't work, you can release them back to their home teams (total cost $0, because unlike in real life, they don't charge you the $50K for the pick). If you find that gem, he's yours for the low-low price of league minimum ($502K). Every version of this game, I've done this in the early stages of my dynasty, and every time I've found at least one.

I often get the back end of my bullpen doing this.

atlbravos · 12-17-2014, 01:19 PM

I'd like to second the rule 5 draft.

Another good place to look, though it's more risky because of timing, is the waiver wire on opening day. There are usually a ton of guys that ran out of options but their teams don't want on the 25 man roster for whatever reason. A few times I've claimed a guy, only to immediately waive him but he clears and starts the season in Triple A. This was a huge help on my expansion team, because in the first few seasons if we weren't playoff contenders I would trade some of the ML pitching staff for prospects/draft picks and I needed someone to call up. As someone else mentioned, be careful to check their contract details because sometimes there's a veteran with a gross contract you really don't want.

Another important thing I do is go to the free agent pool, set a filter for age < 24, and then sort by work ethic. If I see guys with good work ethic (and hopefully intelligence), I'll check their other pitching potentials. High stuff or high control? Minor league contract. Extreme groundball pitcher? Minor league contract. After a while you'll get a better idea of what it takes for those guys to develop, but I've been pleasantly surprised when looking at the origins of my playoff roster and seeing "Minor League Free Agent Signing" from 3-5 seasons earlier.I do this process the first day of the off-season, the first day of free agent filing, and the first day of the regular season.

Edit: The other thing I do for back of the rotation pitching is wait until just before spring training, then check out the free agent starters available. I sort by rating, but add their "demand" and "FA type" column. As you go through, some cheaper guys will pop out and you can then look through their history to get a better sense of their worth. Then I do that again looking at ALL pitchers to see if there are any MR to SP convert candidates.

Bluenoser · 12-17-2014, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tram2Whitaker

If this is a MLB game, seriously look at Rule 5 pitchers; I mean, you have to look out, because sometimes the A.I. waive veterans with big contracts, but for the most part they're on minor league deals. Take a few with you into spring training (where you can see them in action), and if they don't work, you can release them back to their home teams (total cost $0, because unlike in real life, they don't charge you the $50K for the pick). If you find that gem, he's yours for the low-low price of league minimum ($502K). Every version of this game, I've done this in the early stages of my dynasty, and every time I've found at least one.

Agreed - and also works quite well in fictional

The Wolf · 12-17-2014, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fsclb66

If your struggling to find good pitchers on the market you could try upgrading your defense, great defense at 2nd and short plus a groundball oriented staff can save quite a few runs

This is one of the great ignored truths of both baseball and OOTP.

USF · 12-17-2014, 10:01 PM

I have found success finding inexpensive pitchers that have great control, great fastball OR change up within their 3 pitches and are ground ball pitchers. 3* and below to be serviceable. Need a solid def at SS/2B to make this work.

12-17-2014, 05:28 AM	#21
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,634	K/9 BB/9 K/BB FIP BABIP (if you have a good defensive team and the other teams do not) And honestly? On a 1/100 scale, I'd look for 40 stuff, 50 movement, 50 command in the Rule V/FAs. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

12-17-2014, 01:19 PM	#23
atlbravos Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 18	I'd like to second the rule 5 draft. Another good place to look, though it's more risky because of timing, is the waiver wire on opening day. There are usually a ton of guys that ran out of options but their teams don't want on the 25 man roster for whatever reason. A few times I've claimed a guy, only to immediately waive him but he clears and starts the season in Triple A. This was a huge help on my expansion team, because in the first few seasons if we weren't playoff contenders I would trade some of the ML pitching staff for prospects/draft picks and I needed someone to call up. As someone else mentioned, be careful to check their contract details because sometimes there's a veteran with a gross contract you really don't want. Another important thing I do is go to the free agent pool, set a filter for age < 24, and then sort by work ethic. If I see guys with good work ethic (and hopefully intelligence), I'll check their other pitching potentials. High stuff or high control? Minor league contract. Extreme groundball pitcher? Minor league contract. After a while you'll get a better idea of what it takes for those guys to develop, but I've been pleasantly surprised when looking at the origins of my playoff roster and seeing "Minor League Free Agent Signing" from 3-5 seasons earlier.I do this process the first day of the off-season, the first day of free agent filing, and the first day of the regular season. Edit: The other thing I do for back of the rotation pitching is wait until just before spring training, then check out the free agent starters available. I sort by rating, but add their "demand" and "FA type" column. As you go through, some cheaper guys will pop out and you can then look through their history to get a better sense of their worth. Then I do that again looking at ALL pitchers to see if there are any MR to SP convert candidates. Last edited by atlbravos; 12-17-2014 at 01:24 PM.

12-17-2014, 10:01 PM	#26
USF All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Maple, ON - Canada Posts: 1,080	I have found success finding inexpensive pitchers that have great control, great fastball OR change up within their 3 pitches and are ground ball pitchers. 3* and below to be serviceable. Need a solid def at SS/2B to make this work.