.434 Average

[battists]

Originally Posted by CHOWDERHEAD

How did he not lead the league after hitting .401? Lack of PA to qualify?

Good question. I will double check when I get back to my computer.

[battists]

Originally Posted by CHOWDERHEAD

How did he not lead the league after hitting .401? Lack of PA to qualify?

Must have been this. I'm not sure whether there is somewhere to look to see how many PA he needed, but he only had . The winner of the title hit .374 in 633 PA, while Robertson hit .401 in only 491 PA.

[OmahaBaseball]

Originally Posted by RMc

Cool skin, aslanking. Where can I get it?

Its a great mod - using it on my game and love it.

[NCBeachBum]

Originally Posted by battists

Must have been this. I'm not sure whether there is somewhere to look to see how many PA he needed, but he only had . The winner of the title hit .374 in 633 PA, while Robertson hit .401 in only 491 PA.

So assuming a 162-game schedule, he was 11 PAs shy. You didn't mention how many ABs he had (as opposed to PAs), but for an 0-11 streak to drop his BA below .374, it must have been.... 150 or less. Only 150 ABs out of 491 PAs is clearly not a real possibility. I know OOTP used to get this right, but that makes me think it may no longer be doing so.

[aslanking]

I don't foresee .434 and 275 hits ever being broken. I think you're probably right -I should revere them as ripkensque streaks that will never be attained again. Curiously enough his longest hitting streak during season was only 21. You would think he would have Managed a more impressive run.

I'd say this kid is well on his way to the hall.

[battists]

Originally Posted by NCBeachBum

So assuming a 162-game schedule, he was 11 PAs shy. You didn't mention how many ABs he had (as opposed to PAs), but for an 0-11 streak to drop his BA below .374, it must have been.... 150 or less. Only 150 ABs out of 491 PAs is clearly not a real possibility. I know OOTP used to get this right, but that makes me think it may no longer be doing so.

It is a 162 came schedule. So he needed 502 plate appearances? Seems like an odd number.

As for .374, I have to admit I didn't follow what you were saying there. The guy who hit .374 was someone totally different.

[Izz]

Originally Posted by battists

It is a 162 came schedule. So he needed 502 plate appearances? Seems like an odd number.

Yep, 502 plate appearances it is

[baseballonly]

Still, if you are good enough that if you got X number of a bats needed to qualify and those were all outs and you'd still win the title anyways, you'd win it regardless.

[NCBeachBum]

Originally Posted by battists

It is a 162 came schedule. So he needed 502 plate appearances? Seems like an odd number.

As for .374, I have to admit I didn't follow what you were saying there. The guy who hit .374 was someone totally different.

Yeah, I didn't show my math (in my defense, I didn't even finish my math... I went partway, saw it was going to be an unrealistic number in the 140s, and rounded up).

So here are the pertinent rules. 3.1 PAs per team game to qualify. In a 162 game season, that is 502 PAs. But a guy can still win the BA title if you can add an 0fer to his total to bring him up to 502 and he still be ahead of the other guy.

So your guy was 11 PAs short. You'd add 0-11 to his total and get a new BA (with an asterisk out by it), and if he was still higher than the other guy's .374, he wins the title. OOTP used to get this right, but didn't here.

The same rules apply for pitchers, in a way. 1 inning per team game to qualify (so 162). If you can add the same number of innings and runs (i.e. a 9 ERA) to get a guy to 162 and he's still in first? ERA title.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by NCBeachBum

Yeah, I didn't show my math (in my defense, I didn't even finish my math... I went partway, saw it was going to be an unrealistic number in the 140s, and rounded up).

So here are the pertinent rules. 3.1 PAs per team game to qualify. In a 162 game season, that is 502 PAs. But a guy can still win the BA title if you can add an 0fer to his total to bring him up to 502 and he still be ahead of the other guy.

So your guy was 11 PAs short. You'd add 0-11 to his total and get a new BA (with an asterisk out by it), and if he was still higher than the other guy's .374, he wins the title. OOTP used to get this right, but didn't here.

The same rules apply for pitchers, in a way. 1 inning per team game to qualify (so 162). If you can add the same number of innings and runs (i.e. a 9 ERA) to get a guy to 162 and he's still in first? ERA title.

That is not correct for pitchers. They MUST get the 162 innings to qualify because you cannot assume how many runs they could give up in a worst case scenario like you can with hitters.

P.S. The OP needs to re-download the skin. It has been updated to work with the new highlighted leaders that came in a patch. They should show as red instead of a black box.

[nightfly]

How did he not lead the league after hitting .401? Lack of PA to qualify?

That's exactly it. He had 491 PA; if this league uses the same rules as MLB, you need 502 to qualify.

[tejdog1]

Robertson had a HARD fall, jeeze.

[aslanking]

How about this for a kick in the pants. After batting .434 - he is now 0-22 in the playoffs. Fortunately, i swept the first round, notwithstanding Kerr's no-show. But now down 0-2 in ALCS....and Kerr struck out with bases loaded in 9th..... Argh.

[NoOne]

502AB not PA to qualify.

so, they do not have that accurately coded into the game. it's been a rules for 20 years. nothing new here. he should have won the batting title.

these rules are guidelines anyway... mlb can do what they want if they 'feel' they need to step in and award it to someone else.

imo, it's a bit high. you potentially elminate a catcher's chance of winning if he misses just a short period of time. second, you punish players for playing the game the right way, and motivate players to be overly aggressive at the plate (all about walks). a player that bats .302 with a .380obp is significantly better player than .302/.332. i'd wager that it results in less volatility and less likely to be taken advantage of by 'better' picthers. while, aggressive batter might have improved perfomance against the 'lesser' pitchers, relatively speaking. which style sounds like a better plan for the postseason?

also, a good eye will not hurt a batting average in any way shape or form.

it can hurt your chances of a batting title, and you will have lower overall totals for hits, 2b, 3b etc etc - but not averages of any sort. probability remains the same each opportunity based on the situation. so, it would have to lower the probabilty of getting a hit, which would certainly not be the result of a well-rated ability of any sort.

in fact, a better eye will likely help a player bat .400 in a given year, if only because a smaller sample size has greater volatility - so a greater likelihood of an uncommon result.

if eye/patience has no affect on getting a hit, and it certainly can't hurt, law of independent results still reigns true. more likely, it should help a player's offensive numbers beyond just getting walks.

poor eyes should result in swinging at bad pitches which puts them in counts that lower the probability of success. this at minimum is in the game. so, if the game gets sophisticated about patience, aggressive batters should see more pitches out of the strike zone and therefore harder to get a hit. patient batters should force pitchers to take a more honest approach to pitch selection. which should further help a batter increase his average with a good eye.

it's funny how serious pitchers take walks and how much they hate giving them up (coaches too)... yet, from an offensive standpoint they get brushed under the rug. it may be somewhere in the middle, but walks are definitely not the red-headed step-child of baseball stats.

i forget the player, i think it was the pirates 2b 1-3 years ago? he was hitting .270/.310 (or thereabouts) in the 1st or 2nd spot and was upset he was moved to the bottom third of the lineup... he was a sucky 2nd batter and couldn't comprehend why. he even argued with a reporter about it. they look at it like i did as young kid asking my dad, "why they hell aren't these guys swinging at more pitches!" (obviously i didn't say hell) in this one aspect of the game, it has definitely devolved since then. the batters are less sophisticated and have more volatility in their performance as a result. very few people can have a career like vlad guererro did while implementing his mentality at the plate. only genetic freaks can.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by aslanking

How about this for a kick in the pants. After batting .434 - he is now 0-22 in the playoffs. Fortunately, i swept the first round, notwithstanding Kerr's no-show. But now down 0-2 in ALCS....and Kerr struck out with bases loaded in 9th..... Argh.

go through his game log if curious. i bet even in that .434 season he had an extended 0-for streak.

if he had a longer history after being fully developed, i'd say you'd find similar and longer 0for streaks each year. since he likely had lower ratings his rookie and even in ensuing years, it's not comparing apples to apples.

it's just bad luck it happened in the playoffs.

..........

opinion not based on emprical evidence in the game:

i'd wager his eye makes him less successful against the top-tier pitchers of the game, while he feasts on middling and lesser pitchers. you don't see much of the latter in the postseason, but they are common in the regular season. so, in the regular season it results in a net positive when comparing to a player with a better eye, ceterus paribus, but the opposite is true in the postseason. his weakness is more easily exploited by better pitchers in the postseason. so he faces more "pitcher's counts," which will lower his probability of success. i'm not saying this explains his 0-22.. that's a lot of bad luck for a good hitter, regardless of his weakness, but it does make it more likely to occur in the postseason, imo.

the # of walks he achieves during a postseason is irrelevant, it isn't about results it is about probability - getting a walk doesn't improve his eye/patience for the next AB. so, getting 5 in 2 games doesn't change anything either, unless his eye patience rating miraculously increases/decreases as a result, but we can ignore tcr and development for this theory. their effects would be obvious.

[aslanking]

To out a bow on this. He ended up getting off the slide and even though we fell down 3 games to 1 we forced a game 7. Took a 7-0 lead into 5th inning and itgot whittled away to 7-6 in the 7th. We scored another in the top of the 8th to go up 8-6. Then my closer gave up a 2 run homer in bottom of the 8th.

Kerr hits a solo shot in top of the 9th and we avoid an unconscionable loss to head to the World Series.

[Izz]

Originally Posted by NoOne

502AB not PA to qualify.

502 PA - average of 3.1 PA per game in a 162-game season - that's accurately reflected in OotP. The recalc rule no longer is, it seems.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by Izz

502 PA - average of 3.1 PA per game in a 162-game season - that's accurately reflected in OotP. The recalc rule no longer is, it seems.

whoops.. lol. everyone needs an occasional ****** moment to keep them humble.

edit: that's directed at my last post about ba/pa and nothing else... in case that was not clear.

[ThatSeventiesGuy]

OOTP doesn't include the "you can add x number of hitless at-bats to your totals to qualify for the batting title" rule that exists in real life. In this guy's case, he would have lost points, but probably still won the crown, albeit under .400. I think it's only been used once or twice IRL, though.

[Nunyer]

I think it's pretty cool to see a .400 hitter... and that guy does have the perfect ratings for it. I have a similar player, although not quite a gifted ratings wise, he's a .340 career hitter over 9 full seasons. I thought I had a legit shot after he put up roughly .420 through the first two months of last season... But he cut his hand on a steal attempt and cooled off a bit after returning from the 15 day DL... Still won the batting title with a career high .373.. But it was a fun two month ride, hoping that I might actually get my first .400