I just don't get it (OVR ratings) - Page 2

Coja · 04-10-2018, 10:23 PM

In RL, you'd have to start Whatman. He's kinda popular, and he's making $10 mill a year more, and is producing more offensively. There is no way the fans would not go insane if dude was on the bench for a young guy with a better glove.

That said, in OOTP, I'd be looking to move Whatman and dump that contract. Navarro is the future, and I'd be comfortable making the move now.

Spartan68 · 04-10-2018, 10:58 PM

Id go for Navarro, his contract is cheaper....hes great defensively....he's not greedy, he's a leader...and even tho he doesn't hit as highly he walks more. Whatman's contract is too high for what he does, although he hits for average, his personality is not the best, and he is good only as a DH...Id never use him as an everyday OF. His errors would cost the team more than those shiny AVG numbers will help.

PSUColonel · 04-11-2018, 07:03 AM

It depends on your AI evaluations settings to a degree...but defense is likely the factor here. Maybe you have a manager or coach who values defense more so than offense...although an argument could certainly be made that in a corner OF position, offense should trump defense. Maybe you have a weak CF defensively, but I am not sure the AI is sophisticated enough to recognize this.

timmermac · 04-11-2018, 07:08 AM

Problem is that Whatman doesn't profile as a corner OF for me. To my mind, corner OF need to be power hitters, and Whatman's not one.

Rosco Peabody · 04-11-2018, 08:13 AM

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Also, Whatman is one of the palest Jamaican's I've ever seen...

I know, right?

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Navarro is a stellar defender and a captain personality type, too... Almost good enough to be a CF. Who is the AI playing at CF?

This guy: Freddy Melendez. He's a low AVG, low OBP guy that is all defense. He's probably the one who should be the odd man out.

malor · 04-11-2018, 10:22 AM

I'd start Navarro and trade Whatman with his too-high salary for an aging vetern.

Use the saved dollars to upgrade the team at another position(s) as needed.

Painmantle · 04-11-2018, 11:46 AM

navarro is the team Captain, He probably gets what he wants

This is a Management Judgment call, My guess is the MGR Likes Navarro due to his own Personality traits and roster Strategy, This isn't a one size fits all choice, there are many more factors involved than just a guys Contact and BA. If Team Chemistry is turned on, That brings even more into the equation, Maybe the MGR has a Bad Relationship with Watman?

For Me Personally, I'd have to see the rest of the roster to make a call on who I would start, Maybe I could get them both on the field LOL

ralphieboy · 04-11-2018, 12:04 PM

From what I've seen from OOTP 19 so far, defense is valued A LOT more by the AI than recent years. I play a fictional league that has no DH, and many established veterans that are losing their fielding abilities are being castaway despite still having good contact numbers.

I've seen some that have been outright released.

Painmantle · 04-11-2018, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ralphieboy

From what I've seen from OOTP 19 so far, defense is valued A LOT more by the AI than recent years. I play a fictional league that has no DH, and many established veterans that are losing their fielding abilities are being castaway despite still having good contact numbers.

I've seen some that have been outright released.

Yeah, In past years it grossly overvalued offense, maybe some more tweeking is in order. I suspect the eye ratings have alot to do with this case as well!

Westheim · 04-11-2018, 02:05 PM

In a vacuum I start them both; Whatman in left, and Navarro in center.

Also, ignore the overall ratings, they are notoriously garbage and have been for many versions. Seems like the game is still putting WAY too much into defense.

timmermac · 04-11-2018, 03:32 PM

How can anyone justify playing Whatman regularly in the outfield? Ignoring the offensive deficiency involved, he is subpar in both corner positions and he has a capgun for an arm. The fact that he is purely a contact hitter with defensive ratings at positions where power is a must only adds to the problems. I would use him as bench depth for the remainder of the season, and play him exclusively in center in spring training in the hopes of making him a decent centerfielder.

Germaniac · 04-11-2018, 03:48 PM

I would go with Navarro

Rosco Peabody · 04-11-2018, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by timmermac

How can anyone justify playing Whatman regularly in the outfield? Ignoring the offensive deficiency involved, he is subpar in both corner positions and he has a capgun for an arm. The fact that he is purely a contact hitter with defensive ratings at positions where power is a must only adds to the problems. I would use him as bench depth for the remainder of the season, and play him exclusively in center in spring training in the hopes of making him a decent centerfielder.

Teams have subpar defensive players play in the field all the time for the sake of their bat. Look at J.D. Martinez in the game. A poor LF and even worse 1B, but the Red Sox put him out there every day for his bat.

Now Whatman isn't what J.D. is offensively, but he was an all star several times and is a perennial .300+ hitter while also very popular nationally. If this were real life, Whatman would definitely start

Westheim · 04-11-2018, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by timmermac

How can anyone justify playing Whatman regularly in the outfield? Ignoring the offensive deficiency involved, he is subpar in both corner positions and he has a capgun for an arm. The fact that he is purely a contact hitter with defensive ratings at positions where power is a must only adds to the problems. I would use him as bench depth for the remainder of the season, and play him exclusively in center in spring training in the hopes of making him a decent centerfielder.

He's never going to be anywhere near decent in centerfield with that range, just forget it. Forgoing power by playing him in left is surely the lesser of your problems there.

Also, without knowing the rest of the team...

spleen1015 · 04-11-2018, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by timmermac

How can anyone justify playing Whatman regularly in the outfield? Ignoring the offensive deficiency involved, he is subpar in both corner positions and he has a capgun for an arm. The fact that he is purely a contact hitter with defensive ratings at positions where power is a must only adds to the problems. I would use him as bench depth for the remainder of the season, and play him exclusively in center in spring training in the hopes of making him a decent centerfielder.

Mark Trumbo says hi!!

timmermac · 04-11-2018, 04:19 PM

Trumbo could hit bleacher features.

Izz · 04-11-2018, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosco Peabody

This guy: Freddy Melendez. He's a low AVG, low OBP guy that is all defense. He's probably the one who should be the odd man out.

What are the tendencies for this team's manager? Does he value defense more than offense?

Rain King · 04-11-2018, 05:26 PM

If you want this to play more like real life (i.e. the team sticks with the veteran as long as his stats are decent) then you need to up the AI's reliance on stats.

Will_L · 04-11-2018, 05:54 PM

I'd keep Whatman on my bench as a pinch hitter/pinch runner/occasional starter in left or right and start Navarro in left, might even consider platooning them depending on the L/R splits.

NoOne · 04-11-2018, 06:22 PM

the one guy isn't special, but defintiely a better hitter.

maybe coach values defense highly? check slider.

the better hitter is just a singles machine, so it's not like he's a stud. he's a suitable leadoff hitter or 8/9th in lineupe as a backup leadoff hitter in case of injury.

if there's a better leadoff guy already, maybe it's keying in on power due to role in lineup.

sub-half scale contact is a no go for me. the mendoza-line-like BA is proof. 39/100 is just terrible... no ifs ands or buts... that guy should be a bench player.

View Poll Results: Whatman or Navarro?
Start Henry Whatman	12	36.36%
Start Juan Navarro	21	63.64%
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04-11-2018, 07:08 AM	#24
timmermac Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 449	Problem is that Whatman doesn't profile as a corner OF for me. To my mind, corner OF need to be power hitters, and Whatman's not one. __________________ Running with the 1950 Braves. Crush the baseball. Drive it before you. And hear the lamentation of the opponent's women. I am king of the diamond! Let there be a grand clubhouse feast! Bring me the finest meats and cheeses in all the land!

04-11-2018, 11:46 AM	#27
Painmantle Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Greenfield ,IN Posts: 3,053	navarro is the team Captain, He probably gets what he wants This is a Management Judgment call, My guess is the MGR Likes Navarro due to his own Personality traits and roster Strategy, This isn't a one size fits all choice, there are many more factors involved than just a guys Contact and BA. If Team Chemistry is turned on, That brings even more into the equation, Maybe the MGR has a Bad Relationship with Watman? For Me Personally, I'd have to see the rest of the roster to make a call on who I would start, Maybe I could get them both on the field LOL __________________ “As soon as I got out there I felt a strange relationship with the pitcher's mound. It was as if I'd been born out there. Pitching just felt like the most natural thing in the world. Striking out batters was easy.” -Babe Ruth “Ruth made a grave mistake when he gave up pitching. Working once a week, he might have lasted a long time and become a great star.”-Tris Speaker My Dynasties The Beantown Bambino Last edited by Painmantle; 04-11-2018 at 11:47 AM.

04-11-2018, 02:05 PM	#30
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 13,376	In a vacuum I start them both; Whatman in left, and Navarro in center. Also, ignore the overall ratings, they are notoriously garbage and have been for many versions. Seems like the game is still putting WAY too much into defense. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 91 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

04-11-2018, 03:32 PM	#31
timmermac Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 449	How can anyone justify playing Whatman regularly in the outfield? Ignoring the offensive deficiency involved, he is subpar in both corner positions and he has a capgun for an arm. The fact that he is purely a contact hitter with defensive ratings at positions where power is a must only adds to the problems. I would use him as bench depth for the remainder of the season, and play him exclusively in center in spring training in the hopes of making him a decent centerfielder. __________________ Running with the 1950 Braves. Crush the baseball. Drive it before you. And hear the lamentation of the opponent's women. I am king of the diamond! Let there be a grand clubhouse feast! Bring me the finest meats and cheeses in all the land!

04-10-2018, 10:23 PM	#21
Coja Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 55	In RL, you'd have to start Whatman. He's kinda popular, and he's making $10 mill a year more, and is producing more offensively. There is no way the fans would not go insane if dude was on the bench for a young guy with a better glove. That said, in OOTP, I'd be looking to move Whatman and dump that contract. Navarro is the future, and I'd be comfortable making the move now.

04-10-2018, 10:58 PM	#22
Spartan68 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 41	Id go for Navarro, his contract is cheaper....hes great defensively....he's not greedy, he's a leader...and even tho he doesn't hit as highly he walks more. Whatman's contract is too high for what he does, although he hits for average, his personality is not the best, and he is good only as a DH...Id never use him as an everyday OF. His errors would cost the team more than those shiny AVG numbers will help.

04-11-2018, 07:03 AM	#23
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,104	It depends on your AI evaluations settings to a degree...but defense is likely the factor here. Maybe you have a manager or coach who values defense more so than offense...although an argument could certainly be made that in a corner OF position, offense should trump defense. Maybe you have a weak CF defensively, but I am not sure the AI is sophisticated enough to recognize this.

04-11-2018, 10:22 AM	#26
malor Major Leagues Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 303	I'd start Navarro and trade Whatman with his too-high salary for an aging vetern. Use the saved dollars to upgrade the team at another position(s) as needed.

04-11-2018, 12:04 PM	#28
ralphieboy Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 382	From what I've seen from OOTP 19 so far, defense is valued A LOT more by the AI than recent years. I play a fictional league that has no DH, and many established veterans that are losing their fielding abilities are being castaway despite still having good contact numbers. I've seen some that have been outright released.

04-11-2018, 03:48 PM	#32
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 3,058	I would go with Navarro __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947

04-11-2018, 04:19 PM	#36
timmermac Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 449	Trumbo could hit bleacher features. __________________ Running with the 1950 Braves. Crush the baseball. Drive it before you. And hear the lamentation of the opponent's women. I am king of the diamond! Let there be a grand clubhouse feast! Bring me the finest meats and cheeses in all the land!

04-11-2018, 05:26 PM	#38
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,078 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	If you want this to play more like real life (i.e. the team sticks with the veteran as long as his stats are decent) then you need to up the AI's reliance on stats.

04-11-2018, 05:54 PM	#39
Will_L All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Laurelton, NY Posts: 590	I'd keep Whatman on my bench as a pinch hitter/pinch runner/occasional starter in left or right and start Navarro in left, might even consider platooning them depending on the L/R splits.

04-11-2018, 06:22 PM	#40
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 1/2 (4)	the one guy isn't special, but defintiely a better hitter. maybe coach values defense highly? check slider. the better hitter is just a singles machine, so it's not like he's a stud. he's a suitable leadoff hitter or 8/9th in lineupe as a backup leadoff hitter in case of injury. if there's a better leadoff guy already, maybe it's keying in on power due to role in lineup. sub-half scale contact is a no go for me. the mendoza-line-like BA is proof. 39/100 is just terrible... no ifs ands or buts... that guy should be a bench player. Last edited by NoOne; 04-11-2018 at 06:24 PM.