The Zach Britton travels.. how many for you? - Page 2

MizzouRah · 05-17-2018, 11:44 AM

OOTP has always had a saturation of quality RPs. That's the issue I see every offseason, tons of 3-5 star RPs all wanting big money.

I can wait until spring training and then grab 3 or 4 quality RPs for cheap 1 year contracts.

I've even forced 26 man rosters with 8 RPs to help with this.

wallewalls · 05-17-2018, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by geisterhome

this needs to be tweaked, the pattern happens way too often: demanding an ace contract, nobody wanting to commit, slowly lowring the contract demand way down till the end of the offseason, teams start offering to reduced terms, bidding war starts, ends up with big money short term deal.

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it was supposed to be addressed in the latest patch, and i've seen top relievers get signed in december since the patch,but the vast majority of top relievers are still available at the start of spring training and sometimes on opening day and beyond.

this was an issue in 18 too, but it seems even worse in 19

Qeltar · 05-17-2018, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

OOTP has always had a saturation of quality RPs. That's the issue I see every offseason, tons of 3-5 star RPs all wanting big money.

I can wait until spring training and then grab 3 or 4 quality RPs for cheap 1 year contracts.

I've even forced 26 man rosters with 8 RPs to help with this.

I did the same and the same issue persists. The AI also chronically undervalues good bullpen arms in trades and FA signings, then scrambles to find them when trying to compete later on.

I just lost my lefty setup guy for a year (another serious injury on a "durable" player -- I am starting to think that label means nothing) so I went to see what was available. There are only a handful of top lefty pitching prospects, but the one I chose to look at -- a 24-year-old who is already 55/50/45 and has 70/55/45 potential with potential 60 and 80 pitches -- the AI will trade to me for a bucket of warm spit. No idea why. The only drawback would be needing to put him on my 40-man. Otherwise, essentially free.

I think in general that the AI seems to ignore the FA market during the regular season. I routinely see guys who are worth signing and have no competition for them, which skews the game to the easy side.

In this universe David Phelps had TJ surgery and then his team released him after only 7 shaky innings at AAA. I picked him up on a minor league contract essentially for free. He's no all-star but still a solid 55/55/50 reliever with 4 pitches. Nobody else appeared to have any interest all. He's not good enough to make my MLB team but he's better than a lot of guys on rosters I see on other teams.

Calvert98 · 05-17-2018, 06:28 PM

I do think the AI undervalues RPs to some degree, but at the same time, weren’t we just talking about $30 million 1-year contracts for Britton? All kidding aside, I think there could something that needs to be addressed.

That said, my bullpen last year was ranked 10th or 12th in the AL.

Not sure how much of a difference this makes with what others are seeing, but I am playing the Standard MLB start (out of the box settings), with the 20 to 80 scale, and I don’t use the “Stars” (which after playing over the years, I’m convinced give the player too much of an advantage); also, my trade AI is set to very difficult, favor prospects.

MizzouRah · 05-19-2018, 11:18 AM

May 4th, 2021 and the last good pitcher was just signed by the Cubs to a 1yr/$22.5M deal.

I'm not totally convinced that's a bad thing though.. at least teams are going through a bidding war on these guys. Are these pitchers just too stubborn during FA? Is the AI more adapt at handling their expenses? Could be many factors here and I do agree it needs looked at, especially when Britton has been the best closer in the league over the past 3 years. Surely some team would want him for more than I paid him? Maybe the AI knows something I don't as he's off to a terrible start for me this season.

stealofhome · 05-19-2018, 11:38 AM

I was looking at reliever ratings and how they change when you change ai evaluation settings and they seem not to change very much. I even did all stats and some pretty bad relievers were still given 75 overall ratings. It does seem like there's an issue there. Possibly an overlap where the reliever sees his rating and thinks he's a HOF, but the teams see the stats and know he's a boring regular reliever. Then he sits around, drops his asking price, gets in a bidding war, and eventually gets his original desire.

05-17-2018, 06:28 PM	#24
Calvert98 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 579	I do think the AI undervalues RPs to some degree, but at the same time, weren’t we just talking about $30 million 1-year contracts for Britton? All kidding aside, I think there could something that needs to be addressed. That said, my bullpen last year was ranked 10th or 12th in the AL. Not sure how much of a difference this makes with what others are seeing, but I am playing the Standard MLB start (out of the box settings), with the 20 to 80 scale, and I don’t use the “Stars” (which after playing over the years, I’m convinced give the player too much of an advantage); also, my trade AI is set to very difficult, favor prospects. Last edited by Calvert98; 05-19-2018 at 12:38 PM. Reason: Left out a T

05-17-2018, 11:44 AM	#21
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,266	OOTP has always had a saturation of quality RPs. That's the issue I see every offseason, tons of 3-5 star RPs all wanting big money. I can wait until spring training and then grab 3 or 4 quality RPs for cheap 1 year contracts. I've even forced 26 man rosters with 8 RPs to help with this.

05-19-2018, 11:18 AM	#25
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,266	May 4th, 2021 and the last good pitcher was just signed by the Cubs to a 1yr/$22.5M deal. I'm not totally convinced that's a bad thing though.. at least teams are going through a bidding war on these guys. Are these pitchers just too stubborn during FA? Is the AI more adapt at handling their expenses? Could be many factors here and I do agree it needs looked at, especially when Britton has been the best closer in the league over the past 3 years. Surely some team would want him for more than I paid him? Maybe the AI knows something I don't as he's off to a terrible start for me this season.

05-19-2018, 11:38 AM	#26
stealofhome Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,282	I was looking at reliever ratings and how they change when you change ai evaluation settings and they seem not to change very much. I even did all stats and some pretty bad relievers were still given 75 overall ratings. It does seem like there's an issue there. Possibly an overlap where the reliever sees his rating and thinks he's a HOF, but the teams see the stats and know he's a boring regular reliever. Then he sits around, drops his asking price, gets in a bidding war, and eventually gets his original desire.