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Spritze · 03-18-2019, 07:21 PM

you are mixing career ratings with yearly ratings. they are different things.

in any year a player can have a variance in their ratings in any category.

malichai11 · 03-18-2019, 10:37 PM

Shohei Ohtani in 2018 only has 1 stamina, making him a relief pitcher, not a starter.

Spritze · 03-18-2019, 11:09 PM

stamina is game generated. the database is not directly involved.

Indrian · 03-18-2019, 11:22 PM

Historical Exhibition Mode. Gary DiSarcina does not import with the 1995 Angels using either opening day or end of season rosters (he should be on both). I reported this late in the last game's cycle, but apparently no one fixed it.

pstrickert · 03-18-2019, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indrian

Historical Exhibition Mode. Gary DiSarcina does not import with the 1995 Angels using either opening day or end of season rosters (he should be on both). I reported this late in the last game's cycle, but apparently no one fixed it.

Fixed!

Tdog73 · 03-19-2019, 08:58 AM

Looks like the players have no previous history. I seem to remember from OOTP19 that their history would say what round they were drafted, plus any other major updates (trades, awards, etc.) Maybe I'm imagining that? (I'm at work and didn't get a chance to verify last night). Anyway, it's nice to see that history in there.

AESP_pres · 03-19-2019, 12:55 PM

Billy Geer, 1874 (Major), 1884 (Minor)
Gus Alberts, 1884 (major and minor)
Ed Brown, 1884 (minor), 1882 (major)
Andy Cusick, 1884 (major and minor)
Jack Gorman, 1883 (major) and 1884 (minor)
Mortimer Hogan 1884 (major and minor)
Harry Jacoby, 1882 (major) and 1884 (minor)
Ed Kent, 1884 (major and minor)
Johnny Lavin, 1884 (major and minor)
Bill McCloskey, 1875 (major) and 1884 (minor)
Frank McLaughlin, 1882 (major) and 1884 (minor)
Ed miller, 1884 (major and minor)
Tom Morrissey, 1882 (major) and 1884 (minor)
Harry Weber, 1884 (major and minor)
Wash Williams, 1884 (major and minor)

Two different John Horan under the same name in the database for 1884
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...oranjo01.shtml (major)
https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...=horan-003joh# (minor)

The player listed as U Laughlin is listed in Baseball Reference as Bill Loughran
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...oughbi01.shtml

Spritze · 03-19-2019, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AESP_pres

Billy Geer, 1874 (Major), 1884 (Minor) Done
Gus Alberts, 1884 (major and minor) Done
Ed Brown, 1884 (minor), 1882 (major) Done
Andy Cusick, 1884 (major and minor) Done
Jack Gorman, 1883 (major) and 1884 (minor) Done
Mortimer Hogan 1884 (major and minor) Done - known as Ed
Harry Jacoby, 1882 (major) and 1884 (minor) Done
Ed Kent, 1884 (major and minor) Done
Johnny Lavin, 1884 (major and minor) Done
Bill McCloskey, 1875 (major) and 1884 (minor) DONE
Frank McLaughlin, 1882 (major) and 1884 (minor) DONE
Ed miller, 1884 (major and minor) MULTIPLE ED MILLERS ONE 1884 AND 1 1888. 1888 WAS CURRENTLY CONNECTED TO THE MLB ONE
Tom Morrissey, 1882 (major) and 1884 (minor) DONE
Harry Weber, 1884 (major and minor) done
Wash Williams, 1884 (major and minor) 2 wash/Edward Williams 1884 and 1887 WAS currently connected to the 1887 one.

Two different John Horan under the same name in the database for 1884 DONE
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...oranjo01.shtml (major)
https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...=horan-003joh# (minor)

The player listed as U Laughlin is listed in Baseball Reference as Bill Loughran done
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...oughbi01.shtml

done

AESP_pres · 03-19-2019, 09:57 PM

First one I forgot from the previous year...

J Fisher (781) is listed as John Fischer (maybe he is already there as a minor leaguer in 86?) at BBRef
https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=fisher002j--

Ed Gastfield (major) and Edward Gastfield ( minor) are the same player
https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=gastfi001ed-

And now 1885...

Hank O'day, 920 - major and 828 - minor
Billy Palmer, 1231- major and 807 - minor
Sim Bullas, 709 - major and 1179 - minor
James Burke, 502 - major and 1178 - minor
John Connor, 732 - major and 1145 - minor
Buck Gladmon, 612 - major and 1071 - minor
Bernie Graham, 803 - major and 1070 - minor
John Hiland, 1253 - major and 1043 - minor
Ed Knouff, 1247 - major and 1144 - minor
Bill Schenck, 564 - major and 1227 - minor
Tug Wilson, 1011 - major and 1310 - minor

You have two John Siegel in the database:
#961 is Fred Siegel https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...iegejo01.shtml
#1286 is John Siegel https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=siegel002joh

Spritze · 03-19-2019, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aesp_pres

first one i forgot from the previous year...

J fisher (781) is listed as john fischer (maybe he is already there as a minor leaguer in 86?) at bbref
https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=fisher002j-- done

ed gastfield (major) and edward gastfield ( minor) are the same player
https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=gastfi001ed- done

and now 1885...

Hank o'day, 920 - major and 828 - minor done
billy palmer, 1231- major and 807 - minor done
sim bullas, 709 - major and 1179 - minor done
james burke, 502 - major and 1178 - minor done
john connor, 732 - major and 1145 - minor done
buck gladmon, 612 - major and 1071 - minor done
bernie graham, 803 - major and 1070 - minor done
john hiland, 1253 - major and 1043 - minor done
ed knouff, 1247 - major and 1144 - minor done
bill schenck, 564 - major and 1227 - minor done
tug wilson, 1011 - major and 1310 - minor done

you have two john siegel in the database: only find one, john
#961 is fred siegel https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...iegejo01.shtml
#1286 is john siegel https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=siegel002joh

done

AESP_pres · 03-19-2019, 11:36 PM

It's from OOTP 19, so maybe it's the reason why there is some difference...

Echidna · 03-20-2019, 03:49 AM

I started a 1871 historical replay. Only 114 players imported. I originally thought it may have been a reappearance of last year's Cuban player issue, ie Steve Bellan; but no, it was Pete Donnelly (Fort Wayne) that was missing. He doesn't show up in a search of the Master.csv.

Spritze · 03-20-2019, 11:41 AM

fixed

AESP_pres · 03-20-2019, 11:43 AM

Not the biggest deal but Fred Mauer (1886) is listed as Henry Brooks (1305) in the game... I guess BBR changed his name since his code in the website is brookha01

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...rookha01.shtml

AESP_pres · 03-20-2019, 11:57 AM

I'll go from memory here as 1872 is done since a long time, but there is a player named U Kavanaugh (152) in the database who is listed as James Cavanagh at BBR.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p.../kavan01.shtml

Spritze · 03-20-2019, 12:29 PM

Both fixed

AESP_pres · 03-20-2019, 01:00 PM

Red Connally, 1303 - major and 945 - minor
https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=connal001red
Mike Hines, 619 - major and 1338 - minor
https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=hines-001mik
Billy Smith, 1172 - major and 1435 - minor
https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=schmid001bil

swampdragon · 03-20-2019, 02:50 PM

Batter strikeouts from 1901-1913 have been part of the database since the time when encyclopedias would just leave the number blank because the records were not official. The database solved the problem by giving all the players approximately the same ratio of strikeouts to plate appearances. Since then research has been done and Baseball-Reference has strikeout totals in place that differ considerably from those in the OOTP database.

Fredrocker · 03-20-2019, 03:20 PM

In putting together my 1924 NeL Draft Pool for MTBA ... I believe these two IDs in Minor League DB are the same player

173409 salaza001laz
173411 salaza049laz

Can you let me know which one you keep please, so I can ensure my historical player import file for the NeL will be correct when I pull the plug on it in 2-3 weeks....

Thank you for all you do....

Spritze · 03-20-2019, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredrocker

In putting together my 1924 NeL Draft Pool for MTBA ... I believe these two IDs in Minor League DB are the same player

173409 salaza001laz
173411 salaza049laz

Can you let me know which one you keep please, so I can ensure my historical player import file for the NeL will be correct when I pull the plug on it in 2-3 weeks....

Thank you for all you do....

96 such instances were fixed by Hoiles and should be in the next build or two.

salaza049laz = keeping

03-18-2019, 07:21 PM	#21
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	you are mixing career ratings with yearly ratings. they are different things. in any year a player can have a variance in their ratings in any category. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-18-2019, 11:09 PM	#23
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	stamina is game generated. the database is not directly involved. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-19-2019, 08:58 AM	#26
Tdog73 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 21	Players Missing History Prior to 2019 Looks like the players have no previous history. I seem to remember from OOTP19 that their history would say what round they were drafted, plus any other major updates (trades, awards, etc.) Maybe I'm imagining that? (I'm at work and didn't get a chance to verify last night). Anyway, it's nice to see that history in there.

03-19-2019, 12:55 PM	#27
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,993 Blog Entries: 25	Double entry for 1884 Billy Geer, 1874 (Major), 1884 (Minor) Gus Alberts, 1884 (major and minor) Ed Brown, 1884 (minor), 1882 (major) Andy Cusick, 1884 (major and minor) Jack Gorman, 1883 (major) and 1884 (minor) Mortimer Hogan 1884 (major and minor) Harry Jacoby, 1882 (major) and 1884 (minor) Ed Kent, 1884 (major and minor) Johnny Lavin, 1884 (major and minor) Bill McCloskey, 1875 (major) and 1884 (minor) Frank McLaughlin, 1882 (major) and 1884 (minor) Ed miller, 1884 (major and minor) Tom Morrissey, 1882 (major) and 1884 (minor) Harry Weber, 1884 (major and minor) Wash Williams, 1884 (major and minor) Two different John Horan under the same name in the database for 1884 https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...oranjo01.shtml (major) https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...=horan-003joh# (minor) The player listed as U Laughlin is listed in Baseball Reference as Bill Loughran https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...oughbi01.shtml __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1978) Just the update. Last edited by AESP_pres; 03-19-2019 at 01:38 PM.

03-19-2019, 09:57 PM	#29
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,993 Blog Entries: 25	Some more from 1885 First one I forgot from the previous year... J Fisher (781) is listed as John Fischer (maybe he is already there as a minor leaguer in 86?) at BBRef https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=fisher002j-- Ed Gastfield (major) and Edward Gastfield ( minor) are the same player https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=gastfi001ed- And now 1885... Hank O'day, 920 - major and 828 - minor Billy Palmer, 1231- major and 807 - minor Sim Bullas, 709 - major and 1179 - minor James Burke, 502 - major and 1178 - minor John Connor, 732 - major and 1145 - minor Buck Gladmon, 612 - major and 1071 - minor Bernie Graham, 803 - major and 1070 - minor John Hiland, 1253 - major and 1043 - minor Ed Knouff, 1247 - major and 1144 - minor Bill Schenck, 564 - major and 1227 - minor Tug Wilson, 1011 - major and 1310 - minor You have two John Siegel in the database: #961 is Fred Siegel https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...iegejo01.shtml #1286 is John Siegel https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=siegel002joh __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1978) Just the update.

03-18-2019, 10:37 PM	#22
malichai11 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 282	Shohei Ohtani in 2018 only has 1 stamina, making him a relief pitcher, not a starter.

03-18-2019, 11:22 PM	#24
Indrian Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 9	Historical Exhibition Mode. Gary DiSarcina does not import with the 1995 Angels using either opening day or end of season rosters (he should be on both). I reported this late in the last game's cycle, but apparently no one fixed it.

03-19-2019, 11:36 PM	#31
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,993 Blog Entries: 25	It's from OOTP 19, so maybe it's the reason why there is some difference... __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1978) Just the update.

03-20-2019, 03:49 AM	#32
Echidna Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Petersham, NSW, Australia Posts: 12	I started a 1871 historical replay. Only 114 players imported. I originally thought it may have been a reappearance of last year's Cuban player issue, ie Steve Bellan; but no, it was Pete Donnelly (Fort Wayne) that was missing. He doesn't show up in a search of the Master.csv.

03-20-2019, 11:41 AM	#33
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	fixed __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-20-2019, 11:43 AM	#34
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,993 Blog Entries: 25	Not the biggest deal but Fred Mauer (1886) is listed as Henry Brooks (1305) in the game... I guess BBR changed his name since his code in the website is brookha01 https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...rookha01.shtml __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1978) Just the update.

03-20-2019, 11:57 AM	#35
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,993 Blog Entries: 25	I'll go from memory here as 1872 is done since a long time, but there is a player named U Kavanaugh (152) in the database who is listed as James Cavanagh at BBR. https://www.baseball-reference.com/p.../kavan01.shtml __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1978) Just the update.

03-20-2019, 12:29 PM	#36
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Both fixed __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-20-2019, 01:00 PM	#37
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,993 Blog Entries: 25	Some more from 1886 Red Connally, 1303 - major and 945 - minor https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=connal001red Mike Hines, 619 - major and 1338 - minor https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=hines-001mik Billy Smith, 1172 - major and 1435 - minor https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=schmid001bil __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1978) Just the update.

03-20-2019, 02:50 PM	#38
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	Batter strikeouts from 1901-1913 have been part of the database since the time when encyclopedias would just leave the number blank because the records were not official. The database solved the problem by giving all the players approximately the same ratio of strikeouts to plate appearances. Since then research has been done and Baseball-Reference has strikeout totals in place that differ considerably from those in the OOTP database. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

03-20-2019, 03:20 PM	#39
Fredrocker Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Winchester, KY Posts: 491	In putting together my 1924 NeL Draft Pool for MTBA ... I believe these two IDs in Minor League DB are the same player 173409 salaza001laz 173411 salaza049laz Can you let me know which one you keep please, so I can ensure my historical player import file for the NeL will be correct when I pull the plug on it in 2-3 weeks.... Thank you for all you do.... __________________ ---------------------------- Commissioner - FRBA GM - XFBL - Arizona GM - LGS - Arizona Last edited by Fredrocker; 03-20-2019 at 03:21 PM.