Glad my perect Babe Ruth is worthless trash and Honus Wager is a strike out machine

[andyhdz]

well maybe if Ruth's uniform number wasn't #61 he'd do better. You're practically rubbing it in his face he's no longer the HR king.

[Whoofe]

real life babe ruth didn't have to face a stretch of starting pitching that may have consisted of: deGrom, sale, verlander, Kershaw, kluber, syndergaard, walter Johnson, Clemens, Nolan ryan, greg maddux, bob Gibson, etc every single week

[Dogberry99]

Originally Posted by Whoofe

real life babe ruth didn't have to face a stretch of starting pitching that may have consisted of: deGrom, sale, verlander, Kershaw, kluber, syndergaard, walter Johnson, Clemens, Nolan ryan, greg maddux, bob Gibson, etc every single week

...and Adam Ottavino

[petdawg]

Originally Posted by Whoofe

real life babe ruth didn't have to face a stretch of starting pitching that may have consisted of: deGrom, sale, verlander, Kershaw, kluber, syndergaard, walter Johnson, Clemens, Nolan ryan, greg maddux, bob Gibson, etc every single week

Even with that, we are now supposed to accept that a Perfect Babe Ruth is a .199 hitter and Honus Wagner strikes out 200 times a season? Sorry, but if that is true, the game balance is laughable.

[<Pion>]

Originally Posted by Pirates

They need to get rid of infield shifts.
Talented hitters such as Ruth, Williams, Wagner, etc.. would have learned to hit the ball the other way.

For years it was said that Williams would not alter his style when confronted with the shift though he later did...

"Over the years, Williams encountered shifts quite often, and for a long time he, famously and proudly, didn't do much in the way of altering his approach with the bat. None other than Ty Cobb called him "stupid" for not being more adaptable. " - https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/j...illiams-shift/

The article also mentions that the shift has been around since at least the 1920's when it was used against Cy Williams and later, Babe Ruth.

[Edster007]

Originally Posted by Whoofe

real life babe ruth didn't have to face a stretch of starting pitching that may have consisted of: deGrom, sale, verlander, Kershaw, kluber, syndergaard, walter Johnson, Clemens, Nolan ryan, greg maddux, bob Gibson, etc every single week

Same could be said in reverse. Those pitchers don't/didn't face stacked lineups IRL every start.

[Neezer]

Originally Posted by LandiHero

Another tip as to why Ruth may be playing pretty poorly, the devs have stated that there is some kind of penalty to the DH's batting numbers. Of course I don't know if he's DHing for you, but I think his defensive numbers are pretty abysmal if I remember correctly. That, combined with what I am sure is some crazy pitching at the perfect league, is probably hurting his stats. And I do remember that the devs said something about a higher Avoid K's rating helping the batter out in other ways than just straight strikeouts, as they foul of pitches more often when they are in a 2 strike count, giving them another chance for a hit. Hope this helps explain a little!

I did not know this. Can someone elaborate more? Since there are no real DHs in the game, then whoever you play at DH (even a HOFer) is going to have his ratings reduced in some way?

[old timer]

Originally Posted by Neezer

I did not know this. Can someone elaborate more? Since there are no real DHs in the game, then whoever you play at DH (even a HOFer) is going to have his ratings reduced in some way?

See my post on the previous page.

[Whoofe]

Originally Posted by Edster007

Same could be said in reverse. Those pitchers don't/didn't face stacked lineups IRL every start.

indeed. that explains why my 90 Stephen Strasburg had a 5.04 ERA and significantly more losses than wins

[jda]

Ruth isn't going through a mere slump. Some of us have even named what's going on after him ("The Ruth Effect"). As you progress through the leagues and get to stronger and stronger leagues, more and more of the hitter cards hit for power. Ruth still ends up with more homers than most cards but when almost no batter has weak power it isn't as extreme as it was in weaker leagues. And since there seems to be an overall "pot" of allowed HRs based on the era, Ruth's HR total will drop. (That's not even considering all the high-Movement SPs in the good leagues.) That's half the puzzle.


The other half is that a player's Contact rating depends in part on their Power rating. Contact isn't even a base rating; it's a combination of BABIP (which is hidden), AvoidK, and (slightly) Power. So in the top leagues high-Power guys tend to underperform both in terms of their home runs totals (as described above) and their batting averages (since their Contact ratings are overly optimistic).


TLDR: because of how the game's underlying engine works, 100 Ruth will rarely be a great card in top leagues. That's too bad, but it's how OOTP is in ridiculously extreme environments such as top perfect leagues.

[old timer]

Originally Posted by jda

The other half is that a player's Contact rating depends in part on their Power rating. Contact isn't even a base rating; it's a combination of BABIP (which is hidden), AvoidK, and (slightly) Power. So in the top leagues high-Power guys tend to underperform both in terms of their home runs totals (as described above) and their batting averages (since their Contact ratings are overly optimistic).

This is very interesting and useful to know, if true. Can you tell me how you know this? Did the developers share this info or ...?

[jda]

The BABIP stuff is on the forum if you search diligently for it. I don't have any links handy atm, sorry. The rest of it is based on personal experience in PT19. It's absolutely possible that the devs could pop up and say I'm full of it, so take my interpretation for what it's worth...but I'm pretty confident that Lukas is wrong in this case and that Ruth will habitually underperform in extreme league environments.