Worth it to play games?

[UltimateAverageGuy]

Originally Posted by Crawdadbud

Some frustration here but is it worth it even to play the games over simming? It seems as though the scores are predetermined before the game starts.



Example: I am facing the Pirates with a decent hitting team, up against a pitcher who through 4 games has a 13.0 ERA. I have won 3 games in a row. He strikes out 6 of the first 6 batters and gets 13 strikeouts throughout the game. I get a total of 5 hits and he shuts me out. Many of his innings are extended due to errors or walking in runs.



I can usually tell in the first couple innings on whether I am going to win on how bad my team is playing with errors or just giving up dumb plays.



Anyone else seeing this or is it just my paranoia?

What?

[slugga27]

Originally Posted by Crawdadbud

Some frustration here but is it worth it even to play the games over simming? It seems as though the scores are predetermined before the game starts.



Example: I am facing the Pirates with a decent hitting team, up against a pitcher who through 4 games has a 13.0 ERA. I have won 3 games in a row. He strikes out 6 of the first 6 batters and gets 13 strikeouts throughout the game. I get a total of 5 hits and he shuts me out. Many of his innings are extended due to errors or walking in runs.



I can usually tell in the first couple innings on whether I am going to win on how bad my team is playing with errors or just giving up dumb plays.



Anyone else seeing this or is it just my paranoia?

Philip Humber (finished with a 5.31 career ERA) threw a perfect game once. It’s baseball. Anything can happen.


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[UltimateAverageGuy]

Originally Posted by slugga27

Philip Humber (finished with a 5.31 career ERA) threw a perfect game once. It’s baseball. Anything can happen.


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Its insane this has to be explained.

[slugga27]

Originally Posted by UltimateAverageGuy

Its insane this has to be explained.

I mean...there are a number of people who play OOTP who don’t follow baseball closely or if they do, have only done so recently. This was an easy example to provide, as I remember Humber’s performance well.


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[rink23]

Been probably playing OOTP for eight years or so.
When I started out, I used to pick up the games in the fifth inning or so.
But then I would start seeing managerial decisions which I tended to disagree with which at times would end up costing me a game.
Even though, from what I could tell, my setting were how I wanted them.
That put an end to that very quickly. If I lose a game because of a questionable managerial decision, I want it to be my fault.
Been playing out all nine innings of every regular season and postseason games ever since.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by rjl518

The AI still cheats!

Is it really cheating?

Like when a 10 year old and a 5 year old "race" and you give the 5 year old a head start. That's not cheating, just trying to get things to a level playing field.

[slugga27]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Is it really cheating?



Like when a 10 year old and a 5 year old "race" and you give the 5 year old a head start. That's not cheating, just trying to get things to a level playing field.

That’s a great analogy. 100% agree.


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[DaBears]

Originally Posted by rink23

Been probably playing OOTP for eight years or so.
When I started out, I used to pick up the games in the fifth inning or so.
But then I would start seeing managerial decisions which I tended to disagree with which at times would end up costing me a game.
Even though, from what I could tell, my setting were how I wanted them.
That put an end to that very quickly. If I lose a game because of a questionable managerial decision, I want it to be my fault.
Been playing out all nine innings of every regular season and postseason games ever since.

Just curious how long it takes to play a season.

[ThePride87]

Originally Posted by slugga27

Philip Humber (finished with a 5.31 career ERA) threw a perfect game once. It’s baseball. Anything can happen.


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Not only that, the final pitch was incredibly off, but the hitter still barely managed a check-swing that got him out at 1st on a strikeout. Easily should've lost the perfect game on an embarrassing pitch....look at the highlights. That thing was in the middle of the outside batter's box.

[slugga27]

Originally Posted by DaBears

Just curious how long it takes to play a season.

It would depend on one-pitch vs. pitch-by-pitch. In one-pitch, I can finish a season in probably 12-16 hours. But it depends too if you’re the GM also, because that also takes time.


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[Eugene Church]

Originally Posted by slugga27

Philip Humber (finished with a 5.31 career ERA) threw a perfect game once. It’s baseball. Anything can happen.


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No-hitters can just be a lot of luck... lots of examples where mediocre journeymen hurled no-hitters.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

No-hitters can just be a lot of luck... lots of examples where mediocre journeymen hurled no-hitters.

Can be?

They ARE a lot of luck



And I think that was the point. Any bad pitcher can have a good day, because
1) bad pitchers are still super talented
2) there's a lot of luck involved in the results - good and bad

[ForeverRoyalKC]

I agree it's paranoia. My Royals were giving me fits in the opening of their season. Giving up a lot of runs in the first couple, few innings and me thinking "Here we go again!" only for them to pull off several comebacks.

I am listening to every single inning via 2D with PBP like radio. I find myself hanging on pauses of the PBP to hear things play out.

[slugga27]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Can be?



They ARE a lot of luck







And I think that was the point. Any bad pitcher can have a good day, because

1) bad pitchers are still super talented

2) there's a lot of luck involved in the results - good and bad

Yep, that was exactly my point.


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[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by rink23

If I lose a game because of a questionable managerial decision, I want it to be my fault.

I can understand this, and I don't fault anyone who plays OOTP like this. Everyone has different preferences. As for me, I play as GM only, so I do not interfere with my manager's in-game decisions. He has the lineup card. If he doesn't do things to my liking, I can fire him and hire someone else. If he's starting someone who I think shouldn't be starting, this brief tutorial video will demonstrate one way to deal with that issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVIGs6RSdT4

[rjl518]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Is it really cheating?

Like when a 10 year old and a 5 year old "race" and you give the 5 year old a head start. That's not cheating, just trying to get things to a level playing field.

Markus hates it when I tell him that the AI cheats and I have been telling him that for a while!
However, I have had so many games that I play out that there should be NO WAY I should come out the loser.
Better pitcher, hitters, fielders that are on my team and I cant score, get out of an inning or somehow, the AI makes a rally that wins him the game.
Now, this is what happens when I play each and every game and I manage.
Now when games are simmed, I do get different results.
That's why I think the SIM engine is setup differently from the GAME engine!

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by rjl518

However, I have had so many games that I play out that there should be NO WAY I should come out the loser.

This here leads me to believe that you have a non-understanding of how this all works

Please post screen shots of the team you have built, and their opponents, that you think should never lose.

Better pitcher, hitters, fielders that are on my team and I cant score, get out of an inning or somehow, the AI makes a rally that wins him the game.
Now, this is what happens when I play each and every game and I manage.
Now when games are simmed, I do get different results.

Do a controlled experiment and post the results

I play out lots of games and have not seen the problems that you think you have.

So do thousands of other players and this board isn't bombarded with people complaining about it

Most likely you have unrealistic expectations.

[andyhdz]

Teams still managed to beat the '27 Yankees 44 times in situations where there was no way they should have lost. It's baseball not the NBA.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by rjl518

Markus hates it when I tell him that the AI cheats and I have been telling him that for a while!
However, I have had so many games that I play out that there should be NO WAY I should come out the loser.
Better pitcher, hitters, fielders that are on my team and I cant score, get out of an inning or somehow, the AI makes a rally that wins him the game.
Now, this is what happens when I play each and every game and I manage.
Now when games are simmed, I do get different results.
That's why I think the SIM engine is setup differently from the GAME engine!

Wow

Just curious, did you ever win any you shouldn't have?

[HRBaker]

I'm sorry, but all your complaints tell me is that you simply don't understand baseball - or mathematics for that matter.