The Official 2021 MLB Postseason Thread - Page 2

thehef · 10-06-2021, 11:25 PM

Bringing in Graterol instead of Urias (or a couple other guys). Strange move, IMO.

thehef · 10-06-2021, 11:30 PM

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Bringing in Graterol instead of Urias (or a couple other guys). Strange move, IMO.

As I clearly meant, that was the perfect move...

dsvitak · 10-07-2021, 12:40 AM

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Yep, but not really cause of pitch count

Still, ballsy move by Roberts to take him out in that spot.

Kelly sure earned his money right there in that spot.

94 pitches after 4 and a third is a LOT of pitches.

thehef · 10-07-2021, 12:54 AM

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94 pitches after 4 and a third is a LOT of pitches.

Yep. If wasn't bobbing & weaving that inning, Roberts probably would've left him in. I would've taken him out a batter sooner (when he was two on / nobody out).

Meanwhile, Dodgers keep hittin' 'em hard, but right at 'em.

dsvitak · 10-07-2021, 01:17 AM

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Yep. If wasn't bobbing & weaving that inning, Roberts probably would've left him in. I would've taken him out a batter sooner (when he was two on / nobody out).

Meanwhile, Dodgers keep hittin' 'em hard, but right at 'em.

A good defense works for me. I LIKE pitching to contact.

thehef · 10-07-2021, 01:22 AM

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A good defense works for me. I LIKE pitching to contact.

And more of same in bottom of ninth. Hittin' rockets right at 'em...

dsvitak · 10-07-2021, 01:26 AM

Jesus..anyone other than Reyes..who didn't see THAT one coming??

rudel.dietrich · 10-07-2021, 01:27 AM

The better team won. This was the right result

thehef · 10-07-2021, 01:36 AM

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Jesus..anyone other than Reyes..who didn't see THAT one coming??

Me, for one. The way Taylor has been struggling? I had just texted a buddy that Taylor doing something here would be very unlikely. And best hope - after the Bellinger steal - was a broken bat blooper.

Other than that pitch from Reyes, I guess tonight's game was an advertisement for the modern game's parade of relievers...

ThatSeventiesGuy · 10-07-2021, 01:58 AM

Dammit. Cards lost, and thanks to that now-pointless streak, Mozeliak's probably not going anywhere. The worst of both worlds.

thehef · 10-07-2021, 02:31 AM

Not to get carried away with the comparison, because there's certainly a difference between a World Series game and a Wild Card game, but the play-by-play is nearly identical to 1988, Game One:

1) Two outs bottom of the ninth, Mike Davis/Cody Bellinger draws an unlikely walk
2) Davis/Bellinger steals second to get into scoring position and maybe change the dynamic & affect the pitcher
3) Gibson/Taylor hits an unlikely game-winning homer

Sure, Gibby's game-winner came with the Dodgers down a run, so if he makes an out instead, the game is over; whereas if Taylor makes an out, the game goes to extras. However, if Gibson makes an out, the Dodgers are merely down one game, with Hershiser pitching game two. Taylor's game-winner was in a win-or-go-home game.

low · 10-07-2021, 10:51 AM

Dodgers over White Sox in 5 games.

Hageneezz · 10-07-2021, 11:23 AM

Giants

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dsvitak · 10-07-2021, 10:43 PM

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Dammit. Cards lost, and thanks to that now-pointless streak, Mozeliak's probably not going anywhere. The worst of both worlds.

I don't understand the hate for Mozeliak. The moves he made at mid-season were brilliant. Didn't cost the minor leagues, or the bank.

dsvitak · 10-07-2021, 10:46 PM

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Me, for one. The way Taylor has been struggling? I had just texted a buddy that Taylor doing something here would be very unlikely. And best hope - after the Bellinger steal - was a broken bat blooper.

Other than that pitch from Reyes, I guess tonight's game was an advertisement for the modern game's parade of relievers...

Reyes, for the first half of the season, was VERY lucky in getting out of jams of his own making to pick up saves.

The league discovered that if you don't swing, you get walks. He blew several saves in a row.

After that, he just couldn't be trusted in high-leverage situations. He did an OK job as a mid-inning reliever. I suspect his whiffleball curve also didn't survive the umpires new found desire to clean up the game.

Reyes reminds me of a former Cardinal, Jose DeLeon, who TWICE lost 19 games in a year, despite a 1.3 WHIP. He would be sailing along, and BOOM! Three run jack in the 7th inning. I mean, how does a guy go 86-119 with a lifetime 1.26 WHIP?

I just looked at Reyes' splits. His slash line? .176/.316/.294 How the hell did he lose 8 games, with another 8 blown saves? SCREW his 3.24 ERA...as 71% of his inherited runners scored. 71%. How the hell can you have that kind of slash line, and allow 71% IRS? I am struggling with that.

ThatSeventiesGuy · 10-08-2021, 01:27 AM

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I don't understand the hate for Mozeliak. The moves he made at mid-season were brilliant. Didn't cost the minor leagues, or the bank.

Arozarena says hi.

But seriously, I think some of those moves were a case of more lucky than good. Old guys with something to prove. I'll give him props for Goldie and Arenado, but those were no-brainers. I just think Mo is not the guy to get the team over the hump. I have a bit of the same feeling about Schildt, but not as strongly, since the players seem to love the guy. Maybe it's more a gut feeling, but admittedly I'm a win-it-all-or-GTFO guy, and they haven't won it all in a decade now. Might be time to move on.

Westheim · 10-08-2021, 05:09 PM

The White Sox and Astros will play in Chicago on Sunday no matter what, but I doubt Jim Kaat will make the trip now ...

thehef · 10-08-2021, 09:06 PM

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The White Sox and Astros will play in Chicago on Sunday no matter what, but I doubt Jim Kaat will make the trip now ...

I'm not familiar with the player in question, so I don't really know what he meant. Something about the guy being portly?

Westheim · 10-09-2021, 05:19 PM

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I'm not familiar with the player in question, so I don't really know what he meant. Something about the guy being portly?

Not bloody quite.

From Wikipedia:

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Forty acres and a mule is part of Special Field Orders No. 15, a wartime order proclaimed by Union General William Tecumseh Sherman on January 16, 1865, during the American Civil War, to allot land to some freed families, in plots of land no larger than 40 acres (16 ha). [...] Some land redistribution occurred under military jurisdiction during the war and for a brief period thereafter. However, federal and state policy during the Reconstruction era emphasized wage labor, not land ownership, for black people. Almost all land allocated during the war was restored to its pre-war white owners.

Leave the old man alone, btw. He wasn't implying anything, whatever some people are trying to read into it. He appreciated Moncada in the weirdest way possible, as people born in the 1930s like to do (boy, do I know about that...). Let's shrug and move on.

dsvitak · 10-09-2021, 07:55 PM

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Arozarena says hi.

But seriously, I think some of those moves were a case of more lucky than good. Old guys with something to prove. I'll give him props for Goldie and Arenado, but those were no-brainers. I just think Mo is not the guy to get the team over the hump. I have a bit of the same feeling about Schildt, but not as strongly, since the players seem to love the guy. Maybe it's more a gut feeling, but admittedly I'm a win-it-all-or-GTFO guy, and they haven't won it all in a decade now. Might be time to move on.

I would rather have any of the three Cards outfielders than Arozerana.

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10-06-2021, 11:25 PM	#21
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,345	Bringing in Graterol instead of Urias (or a couple other guys). Strange move, IMO.

10-07-2021, 01:26 AM	#27
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,359	Jesus..anyone other than Reyes..who didn't see THAT one coming??

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10-07-2021, 02:31 AM	#31
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,345	Not to get carried away with the comparison, because there's certainly a difference between a World Series game and a Wild Card game, but the play-by-play is nearly identical to 1988, Game One: 1) Two outs bottom of the ninth, Mike Davis/Cody Bellinger draws an unlikely walk 2) Davis/Bellinger steals second to get into scoring position and maybe change the dynamic & affect the pitcher 3) Gibson/Taylor hits an unlikely game-winning homer Sure, Gibby's game-winner came with the Dodgers down a run, so if he makes an out instead, the game is over; whereas if Taylor makes an out, the game goes to extras. However, if Gibson makes an out, the Dodgers are merely down one game, with Hershiser pitching game two. Taylor's game-winner was in a win-or-go-home game.

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