The Greatest Team of All-Time! - Page 2

Highlander · 07-11-2023, 08:33 PM

Next up is the 1943 Season. The 43 Cardinals have been one of the top two teams so far, so we'll see if their home season puts them over the top.

1961 Yankees- 65 Wins
I think this officially knocks this team out of contention. Once again they led the league in HR, but were in last for Runs Scored and many other offensive categories. Pretty amazing when you think of how this team is considered as one of the biggest slugging teams of all time. Their pitching and defense were both pretty bad this time around as well. Just a bad, bad season.

2013 A's- 75 Wins
The A's, after a horrible 1909 season, have settled into winning around 75 games. That isn't terrible with the group they are playing against, but it isn't going to get it done. Offense, defense and pitching were all pretty "middle of the pack". 4th in runs scored and 3rd in runs allowed leads to a season like this.

1923 Giants- 79 Wins
This team has relied on offense the whole round and that continued here. They were in 2nd place with most offensive categories, but their pitching was rough. They ended up 5th in runs allowed which makes it tough to do much better than the Giants did here.

1943 Cardinals- 86 Wins
Well here's a surprise! The Cardinals have been a strong team most of the way so it was expected they would excel in their own season. They had a winning record, but didn't do as well as we might think. Their pitching and defense was in 1st place almost across the board....but that offense continues to be the weak spot. When they get guys who overachieve, they will be tough, but without that....they seem vulnerable.

1909 Pirates- 86 Wins
I bet this wasn't the Pirates team you expected to see here after seeing the Cardinals above. Again, 86 wins is decent, but the way this 09 team has played so far, it was fair to expect more. Most categories on both sides were around 3rd, but they had a few key ones where they excelled to give them a little edge.

1928 Pirates- 95 Wins
This has to be the most surprising positive result so far. The failures of the 61 Yankees still rank higher for me, but this performance by the 28 Pirates comes close. Being first in runs scored and second in runs allowed is a sure path to success. This team has had a very good offense all along, but a pretty big uptick in pitching really made a difference.

Award Winners (Stats in bold are league leaders)

Gold Glove Awards
P- Bartolo Colon (13 A's)....now here's a surprise!
C- Frank Snyder (23 Giants)
1B- Ray Sanders (43 Cardinals)
2B- Sparky Adams (28 Pirates)
3B- Clete Boyer (61 Yankees)
SS- Dave Bancroft (23 Giants)
LF- Yoenis Cespedes (13 A's)
CF- Coco Crisp (13 A's)
RF- Stan Musial (43 Cardinals)

Silver Slugger Awards
C- Elston Howard (61 Yankees)- .321/.352/.413, 32 doubles, 2 triples, 4 HR, 47 R, 58 RBI, 1 SB, 5.0 WAR
1B- George Grantham (28 Pirates)- .273/.350/.340, 20 doubles, 2 triples, 5 HR, 87 R, 49 RBI, 5 SB, 2.3 WAR
2B- Dots Miller (09 Pirates)- .285/.337/.406, 39 doubles, 11 triples, 4 HR, 92 R, 66 RBI, 27 SB, 5.2 WAR
3B- Josh Donaldson (13 A's)- .265/.363/.374, 27 doubles, 7 triples, 7 HR, 60 R, 61 RBI, 3 SB, 6.4 WAR
SS- Honus Wagner (09 Pirates)- .349/.438/.528, 54 doubles, 96 R, 82 RBI, 33 SB, 12.3 WAR
LF- Irish Meusel (23 Giants)- .271/.318/.365, 21 doubles, 3 triples, 9 HR, 64 R, 87 RBI, 1 SB, 1.9 WAR
CF- Lloyd Waner (28 Pirates)- .326/.373/.415, 24 doubles, 8 triples, 5 HR, 79 R, 70 RBI, 2 SB, 4.8 WAR
RF- Stan Musial (43 Cardinals)- .315/.382/.484, 38 doubles, 16 triples, 10 HR, 75 R, 76 RBI, 1 SB, 9.4 WAR
DH- Pete Scott (28 Pirates)- .270/.326/.403, 34 doubles, 5 triples, 13 HR, 79 R, 94 RBI, 0 SB, 2.8 WAR

Rookie of the Year
Dots Miller

Reliever of the Year
Winner
Sean Doolittle (13 A's)- 11-6, 20 Saves, 99.2 IP, 1.81 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 29 K, 1.5 WAR

Runners-Up
Harry Gumbert (43 Cardinals)- 6-16, 6 Saves, 100.1 IP, 1.79 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 33 K, .9 WAR
Walt Tauscher (28 Pirates)- 13-5, 25 Saves, 97.2 IP, 2.67 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, 31 K, .4 WAR
Luis Arroyo (61 Yankees)- 4-8, 15 Saves, 93 IP, 2.81 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, 40 K, .8 WAR

Cy Young Award
Winner
Howie Pollett (43 Cardinals)- 20-11, 0 Saves, 302.2 IP, 1.87 ERA, .99 WHIP, 140 K, 7.3 WAR

Runners-Up
Max Lanier (43 Cardinals)- 12-9, 0 Saves, 215.2 IP, 2.13 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, 117 K, 5.1 WAR
Harry Brecheen (43 Cardinals)- 19-9, 0 Saves, 286 IP, 2.42 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 131 K, 5.1 WAR
Mort Cooper (43 Cardinals)- 18-12, 0 Saves, 279 IP, 2.61 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 149 K, 7.2 WAR
Al Brazle (43 Cardinals)- 11-14, 0 Saves, 285 IP, 2.46 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 87 K, 5.4 WAR
Babe Adams (09 Pirates)- 17-15, 0 Saves, 288.2 IP, 2.93 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 123 K, 7.3 WAR

MVP Award
Winner
Honus Wagner

Runners-Up
Stan Musial
Ross Youngs (23 Giants)- .328/.401/.440, 39 doubles, 8 triples, 4 HR, 92 R, 62 RBI, 15 SB, 5.7 WAR
Howie Pollett
Lloyd Waner
Paul Waner (28 Pirates)- .321/.411/.437, 39 doubles, 11 triples, 2 HR, 90 R, 71 RBI, 1 SB, 5.3 WAR
Tommy Leach (09 Pirates)- .242/.332/.410, 28 doubles, 6 triples, 18 HR, 69 R, 111 RBI, 22 SB, 5.7 WAR
Elston Howard
Mickey Mantle (61 Yankees)- .240/.401/.381, 19 doubles, 7 triples, 13 HR, 79 R, 45 RBI, 5 SB, 6.1 WAR....45 RBI for Mickey Mantle? Wow.
Josh Donaldson
Dave Bancroft
Dots Miller
Harry Brecheen

Misc. Notes and Stats

1961 Yankees
- The Maris/Mantle HR race has been a non-starter in most seasons, but none more than this one. We saw Mantle's total of just 13 above....Maris hit only 5! Johnny Blanchard came though again, though, as he hit a league high 21.
- Danny McDevitt only pitched 31.1 innings, but maybe he should have pitched more. He gave up just 1 ER in those innings for a microscopic .29 ERA.

2013 A's
- Nothing else of note.

1923 Giants
- After a .401 season in 1928, Jack Bentley still had a good season, but just outside of any award consideration. He hit .313/.338/.409, 31 doubles, 6 triples, 5 HR, 60 R, 90 RBI, 0 SB and 3.6 WAR. Since that 1909 season, his pitching numbers have been pretty poor.
- Rube Walberg didn't get any votes for the Reliever Award, but he did put up 22 saves and appeared in a league high 72 games.

1943 Cardinals
- I have to mention how they had 5 pitchers get votes for the Cy Young Award...including the winner. That's what makes this team such a tough contender for the overall championship.
- Coaker Triplett was back down to Earth with a .210 BA....but he did hit 9 HR and drive in 66, which isn't bad.

1909 Pirates
- Chief Wilson broke his 100 RBI streak this season. He was only able to drive in 72.
- Somehow, Chick Brandom was left out of the Reliever voting. He went 9-2 with 8 Saves in 50.2 IP with 1.60 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 17 K and .5 WAR.
- Unless I'm mistaken, Honus Wagner's 12.3 WAR is the highest we've seen so far.

1928 Pirates
- A big reason for the success of this team was the big season by a pitcher who hasn't been mentioned yet, Carmen Hill. He's been pretty mediocre in all the other season, but helped by a .228 BABIP, he really came through. He was tied for the league lead in wins with a 20-8 record in 263.2 IP, 2.73 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 97 K and 1.8 WAR.

Highlander · 07-12-2023, 11:21 AM

We move on to the 1961 season!

1928 Pirates- 59 Wins
From first to worst! The 61 season was not good to the 28 Pirates as they couldn't even put together 60 wins on the season. Their pitching was pretty much the worst in every category and they scored only the 5th most runs....not a good combination.

2013 A's- 73 Wins
5th and 6th place is where we've seen this A's team finish most every season so far. They were never a major contender to move on, but hopefully they can make a decent showing in their home season. Here, they were 4th in both runs scored and allowed.....and middle of the pack in most other categories. They just don't have enough players that can really put up the numbers needed in a competition like this.

1923 Giants- 77 Wins
This team has only hit 80+ wins once, but never dropped below the 77 they got here. As usual, they had a top two offense and a bottom 2 pitching staff. If their pitching had just been a little better, we may have seen them become contenders to move on. It's not looking good for them, though.

1961 Yankees- 83 Wins
Well, they didn't win their season, but at least they had a winning record. This Yankees team has really underperformed in most every season. Their 249 HR led all teams, but their embarrassingly low 9 SB was easily the worst total of any team. They finished at 3rd in runs scored. Runs allowed was also 3rd, so their pitching was a little better in their home season.....just not good enough.

1909 Pirates- 88 Wins
This has really become a two team race between this Pirates team and the 43 Cardinals. This season they were 1st in runs scored and second in runs allowed....a familiar combination for them. Steals were again a strength as well, with a league high 179.

1943 Cardinals- 106 Wins
Wow. Best performance yet for any team....and the Cardinals may have cemented their place in the next round, depending on what happens in the final season. Their offense was near the bottom....they actually scored the least number of runs of any team. But, their pitching is just so good that it doesn't matter. At least not with this group of teams. If they do make it to the final round, we will see if the offensive woes catch up to them.

Award Winners (Stats in bold are league leaders)

Gold Glove Awards
P- Carmen Hill (28 Pirates)
C- George Gibson (09 Pirates)
1B- George Kelly (23 Giants)
2B- Eric Sogard (13 A's)
3B- Clete Boyer (61 Yankees)
SS- Marty Marion (43 Cardinals)
LF- Yoenis Cespedes (13 A's)
CF- Bill Cunningham (23 Giants)
RF- Roger Maris (61 Yankees)

Silver Slugger Awards
C- Elston Howard (61 Yankees)- .315/.359/.513, 18 doubles, 1 triple, 27 HR, 73 R, 72 RBI, 0 SB, 5.5 WAR
1B- Ray Sanders (43 Cardinals)- .274/.382/.442, 20 doubles, 6 triples, 20 HR, 68 R, 79 RBI, 0 SB, 3.2 WAR
2B- Frankie Frisch (23 Giants)- .321/.379/.471, 27 doubles, 6 triples, 19 HR, 119 R, 72 RBI, 20 SB, 6.3 WAR
3B- Josh Donaldson (13 A's)- .264/.355/.415, 19 doubles, 6 triples, 19 HR, 82 R, 83 RBI, 0 SB, 4.0 WAR
SS- Honus Wagner (09 Pirates)- .342/.432/.536, 56 doubles, 6 triples, 15 HR, 100 R, 115 RBI, 29 SB, 9.1 WAR
LF- Casey Stengel (23 Giants)- .334/.403/.554, 20 doubles, 5 triples, 17 HR, 65 R, 68 RBI, 2 SB, 4.9 WAR
CF- Mickey Mantle (61 Yankees)- .247/.401/.493, 14 doubles, 2 triples, 37 HR, 100 R, 99 RBI, 2 SB, 6.2 WAR
RF- Paul Waner (28 Pirates)- .338/.424/.536, 40 doubles, 12 triples, 17 HR, 96 R, 83 RBI, 1 SB, 6.8 WAR
DH- Johnny Blanchard (61 Yankees)- .275/.331/.536, 19 doubles, 2 triples, 47 HR, 104 R, 101 RBI, 0 SB, 4.3 WAR

Rookie of the Year
Al Brazle (43 Cardinals)- 19-7, 243.1 IP, 1.96 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 138 K, 7.2 WAR

Reliever of the Year
Winner
Harry Gumbert (43 Cardinals)- 21-6, 26 Saves, 165.2 IP, 1.63 ERA, .88 WHIP, 94 K, 4.5 WAR...also a league leading 79 games, all in relief

Runners-Up
Sean Doolittle (13 A's)- 11-7, 24 Saves, 115.1 IP, 2.03 ERA, .97 WHIP, 64 K, 3.4 WAR
Chick Brandom (09 Pirates)- 6-7, 16 Saves, 70 IP, 2.44 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, 52 K, 2.4 WAR
Hal Reniff (61 Yankees)- 6-1, 9 Saves, 78.1 IP, 2.64 ERA, 1.39 WHIP, 30 K, -.2 WAR
Luis Arroyo (61 Yankees)- 14-14, 17 Saves, 106 IP, 3.99 ERA, 1.50 WHIP, 63 K, 1.9 WAR

Cy Young Award
Winner
Howie Pollett (43 Cardinals)- 19-8, 278.2 IP, 2.10 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 211 K, 9.1 WAR

Runners-Up
Babe Adams (09 Pirates)- 19-10, 288.2 IP, 2.12 ERA, .98 WHIP, 194 K, 7.7 WAR
Al Brazle
Harry Gumbert
Howie Camnitz (09 Pirates)- 18-11, 267.2 IP, 2.96 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 164 K, 5.1 WAR
Rosy Ryan (23 Giants)- 17-5, 211.1 IP, 2.73 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 146 K, 5.3 WAR

MVP Award
Winner
Honus Wagner

Runners-Up
Frankie Frisch
Paul Waner
Roger Maris (61 Yankees)- .263/.385/.508, 15 doubles, 2 triples, 41 HR, 113 R, 75 RBI, 0 SB, 7.2 WAR
Stan Musial (43 Cardinals)- .330/.402/.531, 42 doubles, 9 triples, 19 HR, 85 R, 98 RBI, 3 SB, 6.4 WAR
Howie Pollett
Johnny Blanchard
Elston Howard
Brandon Moss (13 A's)- .271/.345/.561, 19 doubles, 4 triples, 45 HR, 106 R, 110 RBI, 2 SB, 4.5 WAR
Mickey Mantle
Babe Adams
Al Brazle
Harry Gumbert
Casey Stengel

Misc. Stats and Notes

1928 Pirates
- Nothing additional of note

2013 A's
- Dan Otero had a 1.58 WHIP out of the bullpen in 71.2 IP, but somehow turned that into an ERA of 2.13. He induced just 5 double plays, so that wasn't what got him out of most of the jams he must have been in.

1923 Giants
- Jack Bentley had a much quieter season at .310 with 10 HR....looking like that .400 season won't be challenged again by him unless he really surprises by doing it in the 2013 season
- We saw Rosy Ryan's name pop up in the Cy Young voting. he had a nice 2.73 ERA....no other starter on the team had lower than 4.66!
- Art Nehf wasn't in the reliever award discussion, but he went 10-3 with 7 saves in 72 IP with a 3.25 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, 44 K and .7 WAR.

1961 Yankees
- In addition to the HR numbers we've already seen from Mantle, Maris, Blanchard and Howard, the Yankees also got 33 HR from Yogi Berra and 26 from Lee Thomas. Bill Skowron hit 12 off the bench in part time duty.

1909 Pirates
- Tommy Leach kept his streak alive with another 100+ RBI season, with 101. He also hit 22 HR and scored 97 runs on his own.

1943 Cardinals
- I have to bring up that season by Harry Gumbert again....21 wins and 26 saves in 165.2 IP solely out of the bullpen is pretty impressive. Add in the league leading ERA and WHIP into the equation and I would have given him the Cy Young.....and more votes in the MVP voting as well. Not many pitchers have a hand in 47 of their teams victories. He also had the league leading BABIP at .184, so there was a little luck involved in this season as well!
- Coaker Triplett, the wildcard for this team's offense, contributed pretty well this season. He only hit .247, but had 24 HR and 88 RBI. That's production they will need to contend if they make the next round.

Highlander · 07-12-2023, 10:06 PM

It's the final season for Group 1....2013

1928 Pirates- 64 Wins
A rough end of the competition for this Pirates team as they go from 95 wins three seasons ago to 59 and 64 in the final two. Any time you are last in runs allowed, it's going to be a tough season.....and this time the offense wasn't all that great for them either. This team was a longshot from the beginning, so the fact they had a season with 95 wins and won't finish in last overall for this group speaks well for them.

1923 Giants- 68 Wins
This team went from a high of 85 wins in the first season to a low here....with great consistency in the middle, having 77-79 wins each of the middle 4 years. They consistently had one of the better offenses...they were 3rd even in this, their worst season. However, pitching was usually pretty rough....especially this season.

1961 Yankees- 76 Wins
I thought the more modern era may suit this team better with all of their power. While this was far from their worst season, it still wasn't what some may have expected from this team. Once again, they led the league in HR....and this time in SLG, but still managed to finish 5th in runs scored. A .296 team OBP is a major reason for that! On the pitching side, they were pretty much in the middle, but the inability to get guys on base and move them along (11 SB for the whole team!) is a major issue that this team was never able to overcome.

2013 A's- 84 Wins
This team finally got their winning season and made a decent showing in their home season as well. Even 184 wins wouldn't have let them advance, but it was good to see them have some success. They actually finished 2nd in runs scored and runs allowed, so it's hard to tell what else they could have done to do better.

1909 Pirates- 94 Wins
This was the most consistently good team in this group, as they finished between 86-95 wins in every season they played. Never a losing record and never lower than 2nd place. They had the best offense and scored the most runs this season....pretty impressive playing over 100 years after the team actually existed! Their pitching was solid too as they were 3rd in runs allowed. It's going to be close (if you haven't been doing the math all along, anyway!), but if they don't advance, it will be kind of a shame to lose this team.

1943 Cardinals- 100 Wins
The only team to win 100+ games in this group and they did it twice. They did have a losing season as well, however. It's down to this team and the 09 Pirates for the team that moves on. It is so hard to imagine this team being as successful as they are....once again they scored the fewest runs of any team in the league, but they also gave up the lowest by a LOT. The Cardinals gave up 454 runs....the second team, the A's, gave up 589. That's how good this pitching staff has been. If they are the ones to advance, it is going to be interesting how they perform against the cream of the crop.

Award Winners (stats in bold are league leaders)

Gold Glove Awards
P- Carmen Hill (28 Pirates)
C- George Gibson (09 Pirates)
1B- Ray Sanders (43 Cardinals)
2B- Lou Klein (43 Cardinals)
3B- Clete Boyer (61 Yankees)....Congrats to him for winning all 6 Gold Gloves in this group
SS- Marty Marion (43 Cardinals)
LF- Yoenis Cespedes (13 A's)
CF- Coco Crisp (13 A's)
RF- Chief Wilson (09 Pirates)

Silver Slugger Awards
C- Elston Howard (61 Yankees)- .289/.320/.444, 15 doubles, 2 triples, 19 HR, 51 R, 52 RBI, 0 SB, 3.4 WAR
1B- Joe Harris (28 Pirates)- .243/.343/.379, 36 doubles, 3 triples, 9 HR, 55 R, 64 RBI, 0 SB, .9 WAR.....amazing how weak 1B was in this group in all seasons
2B- Frankie Frisch (23 Giants)- .311/.367/.457, 41 doubles, 4 triples, 14 HR, 93 R, 54 RBI, 24 SB, 6.1 WAR
3B- Josh Donaldson (13 A's)- .270/.350/.481, 27 doubles, 4 triples, 28 HR, 84 R, 103 RBI, 1 SB, 6.7 WAR.....Congrats to Josh for winning all 6 SS Awards
SS- Honus Wagner (09 Pirates)- .309/.421/.554, 51 doubles, 8 triples, 23 HR, 111 R, 111 RBI, 55 SB, 10.6 WAR
LF- Fred Clarke (09 Pirates)- .296/.398/.431, 32 doubles, 6 triples, 12 HR, 95 R, 56 RBI, 40 SB, 7.1 WAR
CF- Stan Musial (43 Cardinals)- .351/.425/.528, 50 doubles, 6 triples, 13 HR, 94 R, 70 RBI, 6 SB, 7.6 WAR
RF -Paul Waner (28 Pirates)- .290/.377/.421, 43 doubles, 4 triples, 8 HR, 72 R, 62 RBI, 0 SB, 4.8 WAR
DH- Jack Bentley (23 Giants)- .349/.383/.457, 46 doubles, 2 triples, 5 HR, 61 R, 80 RBI, 0 SB, 3.6 WAR

Rookie of the Year
Al Brazle (43 Cardinals)- 15-8, 226.2 IP, 2.38 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 146 K, 6.3 WAR...also only gave up 2 HR all season. That's what makes this whole 43 Cardinals staff so tough, they rarely give up HR.

Reliever of the Year
Winner
Harry Gumbert (43 Cardinals)- 11-2, 39 Saves, 83 IP, 1.19 ERA, .89 WHIP, 64 K, 1.5 WAR

Runners-Up
Luis Arroyo (61 Yankees)- 3-5, 38 Saves, 67 IP, 2.01 ERA, .87 WHIP, 62 K, .7 WAR
Sean Doolittle (13 A's)- 2-6, 33 Saves, 58.1 IP, 1.85 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 50 K, 1.6 WAR
Hal Reniff (61 Yankees)- 6-1, 5 Saves, 77 IP, 1.64 ERA, 1.35 WHIP, 50 K, -.5 WAR
Chick Brandom (09 Pirates)- 4-6, 42 Saves, 61.1 IP, 2.49 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 64 K, 1.9 WAR

Cy Young Award
Winner
Babe Adams (09 Pirates)- 22-2, 251 IP, 2.12 ERA, .96 WHIP, 225 K, 7.1 WAR

Runners-Up
Max Lanier (43 Cardinals)- 20-7, 224.2 IP, 2.08 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 258 K, 7.8 WAR
Mort Cooper (43 Cardinals)- 15-13, 236.2 IP, 2.21 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 257 K, 8.4 WAR
Harry Gumbert
Harry Brecheen (43 Cardinals)- 13-8, 208.1 IP, 2.68 ERA, .97 WHIP, 205 K, 6.4 WAR
Howie Pollett (43 Cardinals)- 8-12, 221 IP, 2.69 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 248 K, 7.4 WAR
Al Brazle

MVP Award
Winner
Honus Wagner

Runners-Up
Stan Musial
Josh Donaldson
Babe Adams
Fred Clarke
Mickey Mantle (61 Yankees)- .255/.358/.514, 15 doubles, 1 triple, 41 HR, 86 R, 103 RBI, 3 SB, 6.3 WAR
Frankie Frisch
Roger Maris (61 Yankees)- .228/.337/.448, 11 doubles, 2 triples, 37 HR, 90 R, 67 RBI, 0 SB, 5.7 WAR
Max Lanier
Mort Cooper
Jack Bentley
Johnny Blanchard (61 Yankees)- .250/.302/.463, 15 doubles, 1 triple, 37 HR, 77 R, 78 RBI, 0 SB, 2.9 WAR
Coco Crisp (13 A's)- .250/.328/.413, 22 doubles, 3 triples, 23 HR, 87 R, 70 RBI, 30 SB, 6.0 WAR
Brandon Moss (13 A's)- .220/.313/.479, 14 doubles, 4 triples, 40 HR, 78 R, 92 RBI, 2 SB, 3.5 WAR...also led the league with a whopping 245 Ks!

Misc. Stats and Notes

1928 Pirates
- Joe Dawson led the league in games pitched with 79. He went 4-2 with 1 save and a 2.53 ERA and 1.07 WHIP in 85.1 IP.

1923 Giants
-Dinty Gearin was not the closer, but he went 8-3 with 1 save in 75.1 IP and had a 2.99 ERA.
- Dave Bancroft got a few mentions through the reports for this group. One thing he was consistent with was hitting doubles. He came up with 53 for this season.

1961 Yankees
- It's still amazing how this team could hit so many HR but score so few runs. Besides a lack of speed and steals, you may have noticed the paltry number of doubles and triples they hit throughout the seasons as well. That was another big reason for their struggles for sure.
- Whitey Ford deserves a mention here with a pretty nice season. He did get a Cy Young vote, but went 11-9 in 189.1 IP and had a 2.52 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 196 K and 3.9 WAR. If it weren't for pretty much the whole 43 Cardinals staff getting votes, The Chairman may have snuck in there with a few.

2013 A's
- I picked on Bartolo Colon a few times, so I have to give him credit here. Like Whitey Ford above, Bartolo may have gotten a few votes himself if it weren't for the dominance of the Cardinals pitchers. Big Sexy was 17-10 in 209.2 IP with a 2.79 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 135 K and 3.3 WAR....he also led the league in fewest BB/9 at 1.3.

1909 Pirates
- Tommy Leach ended his 100+ RBI season streak in this final season.....with 99 RBI!! Tommy didn't get a lot of love in the Awards section, but was one of the most consistent run producers in this group.

1943 Cardinals
-Our old friend Coaker Triplett saved his best for last in this 2013 season. He hit just .248, but had 29 HR and 89 RBI to lead the team in both categories.
- OK, I have to mention one more time how incredible this team's pitching has been. Not one HOFer in the group either...as least as far as I know. They just performed really well in a pitching friendly year and it seems to carry over no matter the year in which they pitch.

OK- that wraps up Group 1! I'll do a quick recap in the post to reveal (again, feel free to do your own math!) the team that moves on. Then, we'll get the first look at the teams that will battle it out in Group 2.

Highlander · 07-13-2023, 10:33 AM

Here are the final results from Group One-

1943 Cardinals- 561 Wins
1909 Pirates- 540 Wins
1923 Giants- 465 Wins
1928 Pirates- 458 Wins
1961 Yankees- 446 Wins
2013 A's- 446 Wins

So, it is the 1943 St. Louis Cardinals that become the first team into the Top 10. The 1909 Pirates made it interesting, but the two 100+ win seasons for the Cardinals at the end broke it open. They are a VERY strong pitching team, so any teams that are going to challenge them will need to have top notch pitching themselves along with a pretty solid offense. It's hard to make predictions now, but once we get a few more teams to advance, we'll have a better picture of how this 43 Cardinals team will do.

Before we move on to Group 2, I thought I'd name my All-Group One Team.

C- Elston Howard (61 Yankees)- He and Walker Cooper split the Silver Slugger awards, but Howard's numbers seemed stronger overall.

1B- Ray Sanders (43 Cardinals)- First base was one of the weakest positions in this group, but Sanders ended up winning many of the Gold Gloves and Silver Sluggers, so he gets the nod here.

2B- Frankie Frisch (23 Giants)- Pretty easy call here. Dots Miller was a solid player throughout, but Frankie put up some big numbers. He was in the MVP running a few times and won most of the Silver Sluggers.

3B- Josh Donaldson (13 A's)- The other weak position in this group was definitely 3rd base. Clete Boyer won all of the Gold Gloves, but Donaldson was a solid fielder as well and won every Silver Slugger.

SS- Honus Wagner (09 Pirates)- Probably the easiest call of all. I think most would agree that Honus was the MVP of the Group and put up the best numbers overall. He was a regular Gold Glove winner, Silver Slugger winner and won a few season MVPs.

OF- I'm just going with the top 3 guys here...not necessarily by the spot they played. With that in mind, I think the top 3 outfielders were- Stan Musial (43 Cardinals), Fred Clarke (09 Pirates) and Paul Waner (28 Pirates). Mickey Mantle is right in the mix, as well as a couple of others, but these 3....especially Musial.....seemed to be the most consistent.

DH- Jack Bentley (23 Giants)- Anyone who hits .401 in a season deserves recognition, but he was a very good to great hitter every season. Pretty easy choice here. Johnny Blanchard deserves mention for all his HR, though.

SP- I'll go with 2 SP here- Howie Pollett (43 Cardinals) and Babe Adams (09 Pirates). Howie was probably the best overall, but Babe was right up there and had an incredible season in 2013 that might put him on top. The whole Cardinals pitching staff could be considered, but I'll go with these two.

RP- Harry Gumbert (43 Cardinals)- Bullpens weren't much of a factor in the early seasons, but once they were, Gumbert was dominant. His 1961 season will be tough for a pitcher from any group to beat. Sean Doolittle of the A's deserves some mention, but he just wasn't at the same level as Gumbert.

Finally, here's a look at the teams that will square off in Group 2-

1912 Boston Red Sox
1972 Cincinnati Reds
1953 Brooklyn Dodgers
2016 Chicago Cubs
1991 Pittsburgh Pirates
2022 St. Louis Cardinals

Quite a group! At first glance, the 53 Dodgers and 72 Reds stand out, but anything could happen. I may try a different way of reporting the results so it is less time consuming. I may combine the seasons together and give a summary of everything that happened in one post instead of multiple ones. We'll see how it goes!

Highlander · 07-13-2023, 03:27 PM

I'm going to try combining all of the results for a round into one post. Hopefully it will give a flavor of what happened without taking me so long to compile everything.

Win Totals
1912
1953 Dodgers- 93....one of my early favorites off to a strong start
1972 Reds- 87
2022 Cardinals- 87....this team is a darkhorse, but could be tough
1991 Pirates- 79
2016 Cubs- 74
1912 Red Sox- 66.....not good to start right off by having the worst record in your home season

1953
1953 Dodgers- 90.....two top finishes to start things off
1991 Pirates- 86.....a bit of a surprise with this 2nd place finish
1912 Red Sox- 80.....a nice bounce back from their home season
2022 Cardinals- 79
2016 Cubs- 76.....two near-bottom finishes could make it hard on them
1972 Reds- 75.....didn't expect them to finish last!

1972
2022 Cardinals- 90.....this will shake things up a bit
2016 Cubs- 88.....if they get better as the years go on, they could still be in it
1953 Dodgers- 87.....3rd place, but only 3 wins away- they are still the favorites for me
1912 Red Sox- 79
1991 Pirates- 77....they will need a bounce back in their home season to get back in this
1972 Reds- 65.....who thought they'd get blown out in their home season?

1991
2022 Cardinals- 90......this gives them a definite chance to advance
1991 Pirates- 87.....these guys are still in it and could advance with one big season
2016 Cubs- 86....still hanging around
1972 Reds- 81.....thinking they are out of it, definitely underperforming from what I thought
1953 Dodgers- 71.....this season really hurts them, they need a big finish
1912 Red Sox- 71.....almost certainly out of it, but have had some great individual performances along the way

2016
1953 Dodgers- 89.....looking like they are trying to finish big?
1912 Red Sox- 88......best season yet
1991 Pirates- 84.....hanging around, but is it enough?
2016 Cubs- 83....barely a winning record in their home season
2022 Cardinals- 73.....this hurts them a lot
1972 Reds- 69.....never thought they'd be the one team I knew was out of it at this point

2022
1953 Dodgers- 94.....that might have done it!
2016 Cubs- 87....solid comeback
1991 Pirates- 83
2022 Cardinals- 82
1972 Reds- 73
1912 Red Sox- 67

Award Winners-

Gold Glove Award
P- John Smiley (91 Pirates)- 1912
Jake Arrieta (16 Cubs)- 1953
Russ Meyer (53 Dodgers)- 1972
Billy Loes (53 Dodgers)- 1991
Randy Tomlin (91 Pirates)- 2016
Zane Smith (91 Pirates)- 2022

C- Johnny Bench (72 Reds)- 1912, 1991
Roy Campanella (53 Dodgers)- 1953, 1972
Mike LaValliere (91 Pirates)- 2016, 2022

1B- Anthony Rizzo (16 Cubs)- 1912, 1972
Gil Hodges (53 Dodgers)- 1953, 2016
Tony Perez (72 Reds)- 1991
Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals)- 2022

2B- Javier Baez (16 Cubs)- 1912, 1953, 2016
Jackie Robinson (53 Dodgers)- 1972, 1991, 2022

3B- Kris Bryant (16 Cubs)- 1912
Denis Menke (72 Reds)- 1953
Bobby Bonilla (91 Pirates)- 1972
Larry Gardner (12 Red Sox)- 1991
Nolan Arenado (22 Cardinals)- 2016, 2022

SS- Tommy Edman (22 Cardinals)- 1912, 1953, 1972, 1991, 2016, 2022

LF- Pete Rose (72 Reds)- 1912, 1953, 1991
Don Thompson (53 Dodgers)- 1972, 2016, 2022

CF- Harrison Bader (22 Cardinals)- 1912, 1953, 1991, 2022
Duke Snider (53 Dodgers)- 1972
Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- 2016

RF- Jason Heyward (16 Cubs)- 1912, 1972, 2016, 2022
Bernie Carbo (72 Reds)- 1953
Gary Varsho (91 Pirates)- 1991

Silver Slugger Awards
C- Mike LaValliere (91 Pirates)- 1912
Roy Campanella (53 Dodgers)- 1953, 2022
Johnny Bench (72 Reds)- 1972, 1991, 2016

1B- Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals)- 1912, 1953, 1972, 2016, 2022
Gil Hodges (53 Dodgers)- 1991

2B- Joe Morgan (72 Reds)- 1912
Jackie Robinson (53 Dodgers)- 1953, 1972, 1991, 2016, 2022

3B- Larry Gardner (12 Red Sox)- 1912, 1991
Kris Bryant (16 Cubs)- 1953, 2022
Bobby Bonilla (91 Pirates)- 1972
Nolan Arenado (22 Cardinals)- 2016

SS- Tommy Edman (22 Cardinals)- 1912, 1972, 1991, 2016, 2022
Addison Russell (16 Cubs)- 1953

LF- Barry Bonds (91 Pirates)- 1912, 1972, 1991, 2016
Pete Rose (72 Reds)- 1953, 2022

CF- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- 1912, 1953, 1972, 1991, 2016, 2022

RF- Carl Furillo (53 Dodgers)- 1912, 1953, 1972, 2016, 2022
Gary Varsho (91 Pirates)- 1991

DH- Jim Gilliam (53 Dodgers)- 1912, 1972
Albert Pujols (22 Cardinals)- 1953, 2016, 2022
Jake Stahl (12 Red Sox)- 1991

Rookie of the Year
1912- Brendan Donovan (22 Cardinals)- .271/.366/.333, 24 doubles, 4 triples, 1 HR, 75 R, 45 RBI, 4 SB, 4.8 WAR

1953- Brendan Donovan- .298/.381/.369, 22 doubles, 4 triples, 4 HR, 88 R, 38 RBI, 0 SB, 4.0 WAR

1972- Brendan Donovan- .280/.353/.363, 27 doubles, 2 triples, 7 HR, 82 R, 51 RBI, 0 SB, 6.2 WAR

1991- Brendan Donovan- .286/.380/.374, 19 doubles, 4 triples, 8 HR, 71 R, 51 RBI, 1 SB, 5.7 WAR

2016- Willson Contreras (16 Cubs)- .288/.357/.499, 28 doubles, 2 triples, 22 HR, 70 R, 73 RBI, 1 SB, 3.6 WAR

2022- Willson Contreras- .264/.324/.466, 15 doubles, 1 triple, 26 HR, 53 R, 52 RBI, 1 SB, 1.8 WAR

Reliever of the Year
1912- Ryan Helsley (22 Cardinals)- 3-8, 17 Saves, 67 IP, 2.01 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 33 K, -.8 WAR

1953- Rob Zastryzny (16 Cubs)- 4-5, 20 Saves, 84.1 IP, 2.24 ERA, 1.42 WHIP, 37 K, 1.6 WAR

1972- Ryan Helsley- 15-6, 25 Saves, 130.2 IP, 1.72 ERA, .99 WHIP, 96 K, 3.0 WAR

1991- Ryan Helsley- 10-6, 42 Saves, 97 IP, 1.95 ERA, .88 WHIP, 77 K, 1.3 WAR

2016- Charley Hall (12 Red Sox)- 9-9, 30 Saves, 122.2 IP, 3.23 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, 139 K, 2.3 WAR

2022- Ryan Helsley- 5-4, 37 Saves, 74 IP, 1.46 ERA, .72 WHIP, 94 K, 1.6 WAR

Cy Young Award
1912- Ralph Branca (53 Dodgers)- 22-14, 337.2 IP, 2.37 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 160 K, 3.8 WAR

1953- Joe Wood (12 Red Sox)- 17-15, 292 IP, 3.24 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 161 K, 8.2 WAR

1972- Joe Wood- 18-9, 283.2 IP, 2.79 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 253 K, 9.3 WAR

1991- Jon Lester (16 Cubs)- 19-12, 229.2 IP, 2.74 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 172 K, 3.9 WAR

2016- Joe Wood- 21-4, 239.1 IP, 2.33 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, 311 K, 8.4 WAR

2022- Joe Wood- 12-13, 231 IP, 3.19 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 276 K, 7.1 WAR

MVP Award
1912- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- .328/.418/.427, 25 doubles, 7 triples, 5 HR, 88 R, 90 RBI, 120 SB, 7.4 WAR

1953- Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals)- .347/.421/.539, 30 doubles, 1 triple, 28 HR, 92 R, 107 RBI, 0 SB, 7.0 WAR

1972- Tris Speaker- .316/.405/.467, 35 doubles 6 triples, 13 HR, 89 R, 84 RBI, 41 SB, 7.6 WAR

1991- Tris Speaker- .326/.407/.526, 40 doubles, 3 triples, 23 HR, 98 R, 104 RBI, 79 SB, 8.9 WAR

2016- Tris Speaker- .367/.451/.689, 57 doubles, 7 triples, 38 HR, 112 R, 119 RBI, 47 SB, 12.0 WAR

2022- Albert Pujols (22 Cardinals)- .287/.356/.585, 20 doubles, 0 triples, 53 HR, 95 R, 113 RBI, 0 SB, 5.7 WAR

League Leaders
Batting Average
1912- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- .328
1953- Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals)- .347
1972- Tris Speaker- .316
1991- Tris Speaker- .326
2016- Tris Speaker- .367
2022- Carl Furillo (53 Dodgers)- .328

OBP
1912- Joe Morgan (72 Reds)- .422
1953- Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals)- .421
1972- Tris Speaker- .405
1991- Tris Speaker- .407
2016- Tris Speaker- .451
2022- Jackie Robinson (53 Dodgers)- .404

SLG
1912- Larry Gardner (12 Red Sox)- .444
1953- Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals)- .539
1972- Nolan Arenado (22 Cardinals)- .487
1991- Tris Speaker- .526
2016- Tris Speaker- .689
2022- Albert Pujols (22 Cardinals)- .585

Doubles
1912- Jake Stahl (12 Red Sox)- 42
1953- Carl Furillo (53 Dodgers)- 46
1972- Carl Furillo- 45
1991- Gary Varsho (91 Pirates)- 45
2016- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- 57
2022- Tris Speaker- 49

Triples
1912- Larry Gardner (12 Red Sox)- 22
1953- Pete Rose (72 Reds)- 16
1972- Jim Gilliam (53 Dodgers)- 12
1991- Dexter Fowler (16 Cubs)- 15
2016- Jim Gilliam- 10
2022- Pete Rose- 11

Home Runs
1912- Barry Bonds (91 Pirates), Roy Campanella (53 Dodgers), Tommy Edman (22 Cardinals), Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals), Lloyd McClendon (91 Pirates), Tony Perez (72 Reds)- all tied with 8
1953- Lloyd McClendon and Albert Pujols (22 Cardinals)- tied with 33
1972- Nolan Arenado (22 Cardinals)- 30
1991- Albert Pujols- 34
2016- Paul Goldschmidt- 48
2022- Albert Pujols-53

Runs
1912- Joe Morgan (72 Reds)- 100
1953- Jackie Robinson (53 Dodgers)- 116
1972- Jake Stahl (12 Red Sox)- 99
1991- Jake Stahl- 109
2016- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- 112
2022- Jackie Robinson- 104

RBI
1912- Tony Perez (72 Reds)- 91
1953- Carl Furillo (53 Dodgers)- 117
1972- Nolan Arenado (22 Cardinals) and Lloyd McClendon (91 Pirates)- tied with 104
1991- Tris Speaker- 104
2016- Tris Speaker- 119
2022- Hal McRae (72 Reds)- 116

Stolen Bases
1912- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- 120
1953- Jake Stahl (12 Red Sox)- 25
1972- Jake Stahl- 44
1991- Tris Speaker- 79
2016- Tris Speaker- 47
2022- Jake Stahl- 54

Batter WAR
1912- Tommy Edman (22 Cardinals)- 7.9
1953- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- 7.5
1972- Bobby Bonilla (91 Pirates)- 8.2
1991- Tris Speaker- 8.9
2016- Tris Speaker- 12.0
2022- Jackie Robinson (53 Dodgers)- 8.9

Wins
1912- Carl Erskine (53 Dodgers) and Adam Wainwright (22 Cardinals)- tied with 23
1953- Ralph Branca (53 Dodgers) and Jon Lester (16 Cubs)- tied with 19
1972- Kyle Hendricks (16 Cubs)- 19
1991- Jon Lester (16 Cubs)- 19
2016- Joe Wood (12 Red Sox)- 21
2022- Russ Meyer (53 Dodgers) and Zane Smith (91 Pirates)- tied with 15

Saves
1912- Ryan Helsley (22 Cardinals)- 17
1953- Rob Zastryzny (16 Cubs)- 20
1972- Rob Zastryzny- 26
1991- Tom Hall (72 Reds)- 43
2016- Charley Hall (12 Red Sox) and Zane Smith (91 Pirates)- 30
2022- Bob Milliken (53 Dodgers)- 38

ERA
1912- Ralph Branca (53 Dodgers)- 2.37
1953- Randy Tomlin (91 Pirates)- 3.05
1972- Jake Arrieta (16 Cubs)- 2.55
1991- Miles Mikolas (22 Cardinals)- 2.73
2016- Joe Wood (12 Red Sox)- 2.33
2022- Zane Smith (91 Pirates)- 2.70

WHIP
1912- Gary Nolan (72 Reds)- 1.15
1953- Miles Mikolas (22 Cardinals)- 1.27
1972- Miles Mikolas- 1.02
1991- Miles Mikolas- .99
2016- Joe Wood (12 Red Sox)- 1.00
2022- Ralph Branca (53 Dodgers) and Zane Smith (91 Pirates)- tied at 1.04

Strikeouts
1912- Joe Wood (12 Red Sox)- 197
1953- Carl Erskine (53 Dodgers)- 178
1972- Joe Wood- 253
1991- Joe Wood- 226
2016- Joe Wood- 311
2022- Joe Wood- 276

Pitcher WAR
1912- Preacher Roe (53 Dodgers)- 7.1
1953- Joe Wood (12 Red Sox)- 8.2
1972- Joe Wood- 9.3
1991- Joe Wood- 5.8
2016- Joe Wood- 8.4
2022- Joe Wood- 7.1

Highlander · 07-13-2023, 03:54 PM

Group 2 has finished their seasons and here are the win totals so we can see who moves on-

1953 Dodgers- 524
2022 Cardinals- 501
1991 Pirates- 496
2016 Cubs- 494
1912 Red Sox- 451
1972 Reds- 450

The 1953 Brooklyn Dodgers are the 2nd team to advance to the top 10. They were a favorite of mine right from the start and now they are in the finals. Even though they ended up with 23 more wins than the second place Cardinals, it was still a pretty close race to the end. Seeing this team go up against the 43 Cardinals will be very interesting. Their pitching is solid....and deep. They also have the type of offense that could be tough on any pitching staff- Snider, Hodges, Robinson, Furillo....the names go on. Plus we have 8 more teams to go!

Here's my All-Group 2 Team-
C- Johnny Bench (72 Reds) just barely ekes out Roy Campanella....Roy hit 45 HR in the 2022 season, though, which makes this decision tough.

1B- Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals)- Paul dominated the Slugger awards and put up some huge numbers. Plus he won an MVP in the 1953 season.

2B- Jackie Robinson (53 Dodgers)- I thought Joe Morgan might be in this spot (he has other chances coming), but Jackie was terrific.

3B- Larry Gardner (12 Red Sox)- He wins for me by a hair over Arenado and Bryant. Lots of good 3B in this group, but Larry was incredible in those early years and stayed solid the rest of the way.

SS- Tommy Edman (22 Cardinals)- Won every Gold Glove and all but one of the Silver Slugger awards. Who would have predicted him being the dominant SS in this group?

OF- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox), Carl Furillo (53 Dodgers), Barry Bonds (91 Pirates)- Speaker gets the Group MVP award from me as he was the most dominant player the whole way. His season in 2016 was just unbelievable. Furillo was a 5-time Silver Slugger winner and had some league leader spots as well. Bonds just gets in ahead of Pete Rose who also had a very good series of seasons.

DH- Albert Pujols (22 Cardinals)- Albert, in his real life final season, was spectacular....even winning an MVP Award with 53 HR.

SP- Joe Wood (12 Red Sox), Ralph Branca (53 Dodgers)- Wood was THE dominant pitcher of Group 2 and any number of guys could be paired with him, but Branca seemed to be the best of the bunch by a small margin.

RP- Ryan Helsley (22 Cardinals)- He wasn't always the best reliever for every season, but the ones where he was, he was dominant....especially that 2022 season.

Alright....on to Group 3! Here's the teams we have to look forward to in this matchup-

1937 New York Giants
1992 Atlanta Braves
2014 Los Angeles Dodgers
1969 Baltimore Orioles
1957 Milwaukee Braves
1907 Chicago Cubs

Lots of eras represented there! Sitting here now, I can't say one thing about the 37 Giants...so who knows where they finish. The Braves will be tough. They have pitching and the hitting of Chipper, Justice, etc will be very good, I think. The 14 Dodgers will be a very tough out as well. If I remember correctly, that was the version of Clayton Kershaw that was the best pitcher I saw in round 2. The 69 Orioles are another really good team with pitching, defense and Frank Robinson on offense. If they get enough other hitting from some of the "defense-first" guys, they will be in the mix. The 57 Braves have some great players....Aaron (of course), Eddie Mathews and Warren Spahn. Will they have enough to compete in this group? The 1907 Cubs were the bye team from round 1, so they were not tested in round 2....especially their pitching depth. If they have enough pitchers, they could be the best of this group. If they don't, they could be the worst team we see.

Highlander · 07-14-2023, 11:10 AM

I'm going to stick with the same format I used with Group 2.....here we go!

Win Totals

1907
1907 Cubs- 99.....Coming out of the gate in a huge way in their home season...we'll see if they can sustain this
1969 Orioles- 80
2014 Dodgers- 79
1992 Braves- 78
1937 Giants- 77
1957 Braves- 73....Pretty bunched up after the Cubs...no idea who is a real contender

1937
1992 Braves- 88
1969 Orioles- 86....Not dominant, but 2 2nd place finishes
2014 Dodgers- 84
1937 Giants- 78.....So many teams don't really do much in their own season
1907 Cubs- 77.....Big drop is worrisome for them
1957 Braves- 73.....Consistent, but not in a good way.

1957
1969 Orioles- 90.....Might be the front runners now
1992 Braves- 84
1907 Cubs- 84.....Nice to see them recover a little
2014 Dodgers- 82.....Not too bad- probably keeps them in it
1957 Braves- 81....5th place, but no many wins behind
1937 Giants- 65....Hard to recover from a season like this

1969
2014 Dodgers- 90....This thing is still wide open
1969 Orioles- 83....Pretty consistent, but not a sure thing at all
1992 Braves- 80....Need a 90+ season to really have a chance
1907 Cubs- 79....That 99-win first season keeps them alive
1937 Giants- 77.....Probably too far back at this point
1957 Braves- 77.....Also too far back now, but can be a spoiler for sure

1992
1907 Cubs- 89....Didn't expect this...pitching depth not coming into play for them, I guess
1957 Braves- 84
1969 Orioles- 84
2014 Dodgers- 83
1992 Braves- 79....Very surprised with this, but I shouldn't be since it's happened a lot
1937 Giants- 67....Toast

2014
1992 Braves- 95.....Back in it!
2014 Dodgers- 90....Better than many do in their home season
1969 Orioles- 85....Consistency, but is it enough
1937 Giants- 78
1907 Cubs- 76
1957 Braves- 62

Award Winners

Gold Glove Awards
P-Jim Palmer (69 Orioles)- 1907
Jack Pfiester (07 Cubs)- 1937
Gene Conley (57 Braves)- 1957
Zack Greinke (14 Dodgers)- 1969
Charlie Leibrandt (92 Braves)- 1992
John Smoltz (92 Braves)- 2014

C-Johnny Kling (07 Cubs)- 1907, 1937, 1957, 1969
AJ Ellis (14 Dodgers)- 1992, 2014

1B-Frank Chance (07 Cubs)- 1907
Sid Bream (92 Braves)- 1937, 1957, 1969, 1992
Adrian Gonzalez (14 Dodgers)- 2014

2B- Danny O'Connell (57 Braves)- 1907, 1957, 1992, 2014
Johnny Evers (07 Cubs)- 1937, 1969

3B- Terry Pendleton (92 Braves)- 1907
Brooks Robinson (69 Orioles)- 1937, 1969, 1992, 2014
Bill Sweeney (07 Cubs)- 1957

SS- Joe Tinker (07 Cubs)- 1907, 1957, 1969, 2014
Mark Belanger (69 Orioles)- 1937
Dick Bartell (37 Giants)- 1992

LF- Ron Gant (92 Braves)- 1907, 1969
Chuck Tanner (57 Braves)- 1937
Jimmy Sheckard (07 Cubs)- 1957
Scott VanSlyke (14 Dodgers)- 1992, 2014

CF- Hank Aaron (57 Braves)- 1907, 2014
Jimmy Ripple (37 Giants)- 1937
Paul Blair (69 Orioles)- 1957, 1992
Yasiel Puig (14 Dodgers)- 1969

RF-Matt Kemp (14 Dodgers)- 1907, 1937, 1969, 1992
Mel Ott (37 Giants)- 1957
David Justice (92 Braves)- 2014

Silver Slugger Awards
C- Johnny Kling (07 Cubs)- 1907, 1937, 1992, 2014
Harry Danning (37 Giants)- 1957, 1969

1B- Frank Chance (07 Cubs)- 1907, 1937, 1992
Boog Powell (69 Orioles)- 1957, 2014
Adrian Gonzalez (14 Dodgers)- 1969

2B- Dee Gordon (14 Dodgers)- 1907, 1937, 1957, 1969, 1992
Davey Johnson (69 Orioles)- 2014

3B- Justin Turner (14 Dodgers)- 1907, 1937
Terry Pendleton (92 Braves)- 1957
Eddie Mathews (57 Braves)- 1969, 1992, 2014

SS- Hanley Ramirez (14 Dodgers)- 1907
Jeff Blauser (92 Braves)- 1937, 1957, 1969, 1992
Dick Bartell (37 Giants)- 2014

LF- Scott Van Slyke (14 Dodgers)- 1907, 1937, 1957, 1969, 1992, 2014

CF- Solly Hemus (07 Cubs)- 1907
Hank Aaron (57 Braves)- 1937, 1957, 2014
Yasiel Puig (14 Dodgers)- 1969, 1992

RF- Bob Hazle (57 Braves)- 1907, 1937, 1957, 1969, 1992, 2014

DH- Deion Sanders (92 Braves)- 1907, 1937
Carl Crawford (14 Dodgers)- 1957
Don Buford (69 Orioles)- 1969
Wes Covington (57 Braves)- 1992, 2014

Rookie of the Year
1907- Bill Sweeney (07 Cubs)- .277/.319/.297, 10 doubles, 0 triples, 0 HR, 47 R, 64 RBI, 44 SB, 3.3 WAR

1937- Cliff Melton (37 Giants)- 10-19, 280.1 IP, 4.21 ERA, 1.47 WHIP, 138 K, 6.0 WAR....Seems like a weak rookie crop in this group

1957- Cliff Melton- 10-20, 258.1 IP, 3.59 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 157 K, 4.5 WAR

1969- Cliff Melton- 18-11, 264 IP, 2.76 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 226 K, 7.1 WAR....I disparaged the rookies earlier, but this was a great season for him

1992- Don McMahon (57 Braves)- 4-11, 36 Saves, 78.2 IP, 3.09 ERA, 1.56 WHIP, 52 K, .8 WAR

2014- Cliff Melton- 14-12, 222.2 IP, 3.52 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 242 K, 4.8 WHIP

Reliever of the Year
1907- None named

1937- David Nied (92 Braves)- 10-7, 15 Saves, 81.2 IP, 2.87 ERA, 1.62 WHIP, 44 K, 1.1 WAR

1957- Don McMahon (57 Braves)- 10-5, 23 Saves, 91.1 IP, 2.27 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, 52 K, 1.8 WAR

1969- Mark Wohlers (92 Braves)- 14-6, 21 Saves, 1.73 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 46 K, 2.2 WAR

1992- Ray Crone (57 Braves)- 3-7, 1 Save, 62.2 IP, 2.15 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, .9 WAR

2014- Dick Hall (69 Orioles)- 4-6, 37 Saves, 62 IP, 1.45 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, 46 K, 2.1 WAR

Cy Young Award
1907- Mordecai Brown (07 Cubs)- 26-14, 358.1 IP, 1.91 ERA, .94 WHIP, 165 K, 8.2 WAR

1937- Clayton Kershaw (14 Dodgers)- 16-12, 288.2 IP, 3.40 ERA, 1.21 WHIP, 144 K, 7.2 WAR

1957- Carl Lundgren (07 Cubs)- 18-14, 292 IP, 2.77 ERA, 1.33 WHIP, 170 K, 4.1 WAR

1969- Clayton Kershaw- 16-11, 279.1 IP, 2.64 ERA, 1.03 WHIP, 221 K, 7.7 WAR

1992- Clayton Kershaw- 18-10, 259.1 IP, 2.85 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 198 K, 6.1 WAR

2014- Carl Lundgren- 15-7, 248 IP, 2.25 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 235 K, 4.0 WAR

MVP Award
1907- Bob Hazle (57 Braves)- .373/.426/.492, 42 doubles, 7 triples, 6 HR, 85 R, 65 RBI, 4 SB, 8.2 WAR....his .403 BA with 7 HR in 134 real life AB is going to make him a force in this group

1937- Bob Hazle- .391/.445/.585, 45 doubles, 5 triples, 22 HR, 112 R, 107 RBI, 3 SB, 7.4 WAR

1957- Bob Hazle- .361/.418/.575, 38 doubles, 4 triples, 29 HR, 114 R, 84 RBI, 1 SB, 8.0 WAR

1969- Bob Hazle- .353/.426/.571, 39 doubles, 2 triples, 31 HR, 111 R, 74 RBI, 8.2 WAR

1992- Bob Hazle- .310/.369/.480, 34 doubles, 1 triple, 24 HR, 102 R, 81 RBI, 4 SB, 5.2 WAR

2014- Boog Powell (69 Orioles)- .316/.370/.584, 33 doubles, 1 triple, 43 HR, 104 R, 125 RBI, 0 SB, 6.7 WAR

League Leaders
Batting Average
1907- Bob Hazle (57 Braves)- .373
1937- Bob Hazle- .391
1957- Bob Hazle- .361
1969- Bob Hazle- .353
1992- Jimmy Ripple (37 Giants)- .318
2014- Bob Hazle- .321

OBP
1907- Bob Hazle (57 Braves)- .426
1937- Bob Hazle- .445
1957- Bob Hazle- .418
1969- Bob Hazle- .426
1992- Frank Chance (07 Cubs)- .408
2014- Bob Hazle- .379

SLG
1907- Bob Hazle (57 Braves)- .492
1937- Bob Hazle- .585
1957- Bob Hazle- .575
1969- Bob Hazle- .571
1992- Wes Covington (57 Braves)- .496
2014- Boog Powell (69 Orioles)- .584

Doubles
1907- Bob Hazle (57 Braves)- 42
1937- Harry Steinfeldt (07 Cubs)- 48
1957- Bob Hazle- 38
1969- Davey Johnson (69 Orioles)- 40
1992- Jimmy Ripple (37 Giants)- 53
2014- Dick Bartell (37 Giants)- 48

Triples
1907- Deion Sanders (92 Braves)- 45....yes you read that right! The next closest was Dee Gordon with 24, then a few in the teens
1937- Deion Sanders- 38....Gordon had 29, then more normal totals...Neon Deion would have been a terror back then!
1957- Deion Sanders- 26...Gordon with 22
1969- Dee Gordon (14 Dodgers)- 15....Deion only with 13
1992- Deion Sanders- 14.....Dee with 14
2014- Deion Sanders- 18....Gordon with only 5

Home Runs
1907- Mel Ott (37 Giants)- 8
1937- Boog Powell (69 Orioles)- 24
1957- Hank Aaron (57 Braves)- 37
1969- Adrian Gonzalez (14 Dodgers)- 35
1992- Wes Covington (57 Braves)- 34
2014- Boog Powell- 43

Runs
1907- Frank Chance (07 Cubs)- 91
1937- Don Buford (69 Orioles)- 126
1957- Bob Hazle (57 Braves), Dee Gordon (14 Dodgers)- tied with 114
1969- Bob Hazle- 111
1992- Dee Gordon (14 Dodgers)- 110
2014- Boog Powell (69 Orioles)- 104

RBI
1907- Terry Pendleton (92 Braves), Justin Turner (14 Dodgers)- tied at 72
1937- Matt Kemp (14 Dodgers)- 130
1957- Boog Powell (69 Orioles)- 124
1969- Adrian Gonzalez (14 Dodgers), Scott Van Slyke (14 Dodgers)- 101
1992- Wes Covington (57 Braves), Matt Kemp- tied with 106
2014- Boog Powell- 125

Stolen Bases
1907- Dee Gordon (14 Dodgers)- 101
1937- Dee Gordon- 48
1957- Dee Gordon, Deion Sanders (92 Braves)- tied with 33
1969- Dee Gordon- 70
1992- Dee Gordon- 88
2014- Johnny Evers (07 Cubs)- 52

Batter WAR
1907- Bob Hazle (57 Braves)- 8.2
1937- Justin Turner (14 Dodgers)- 7.6
1957- Bob Hazle- 8.0
1969- Bob Hazle- 8.2
1992- Scott Van Slyke (14 Dodgers)- 5.9
2014- Boog Powell (69 Orioles)- 6.7

Wins
1907- Jim Palmer (69 Orioles)- 30
1937- Jim Palmer, Freddie Fitzsimmons (37 Giants), Carl Hubbell (37 Giants)- all tied with 19
1957- Mike Cuellar (69 Orioles)- 19
1969- Cliff Melton (37 Giants), Hyun-Jin Ryu (14 Dodgers)- 18
1992- Clayton Kershaw (14 Dodgers), Carl Lundgren (07 Cubs)- tied with 18
2014- John Smoltz (92 Braves)- 16

Saves
1907- Don McMahon (57 Braves)- 3
1937- Eddie Watt (69 Orioles)- 16
1957- Dick Hall (69 Orioles)- 31
1969- Mark Wohlers (92 Braves)- 21
1992- Chick Fraser (07 Cubs)- 38
2014- Dick Hall, Kenley Jansen (14 Dodgers)- tied with 37

ERA
1907- Mordecai Brown (07 Cubs)- 1.91
1937- Charlie Leibrandt (92 Braves)- 3.35
1957- Carl Lundgren (07 Cubs)- 2.77
1969- Carl Lundgren- 2.34
1992- Clayton Kershaw (14 Dodgers)- 2.85
2014- Carl Lundgren- 2.25

WHIP
1907- Mordecai Brown (07 Cubs)- .94
1937- Clayton Kershaw (14 Dodgers)- 1.21
1957- Warren Spahn (57 Braves)- 1.14
1969- Clayton Kershaw- 1.03
1992- Mordecai Brown, Charlie Leibrabnt (92 Braves)- tied at 1.10
2014- Slick Castleman (37 Giants)- 1.01

Strikeouts
1907- Clayton Kershaw (14 Dodgers)- 177
1937- Clayton Kershaw- 144
1957- Mordecai Brown (07 Cubs)- 184
1969- Cliff Melton- 226
1992- Clayton Kershaw- 198
2014- Clayton Kershaw- 259

Pitcher WAR
1907- Mordecai Brown (07 Cubs)- 8.2
1937- Clayton Kershaw (14 Dodgers)- 7.2
1957- Clayton Kershaw- 6.5
1969- Clayton Kershaw- 7.7
1992- Clayton Kershaw- 6.1
2014- Clayton Kershaw- 7.6

Highlander · 07-14-2023, 11:36 AM

Here are the final totals for Group 3 to see who moves on....this was the closest group yet-

2014 Dodgers- 508
1969 Orioles- 508
1992 Braves- 504
1907 Cubs- 504
1957 Braves- 450
1937 Giants- 442

Yes....we have a tie! The next step was to do a two season playoff between the 14 Dodgers and 69 Orioles, one in each of their seasons. Here's the results of that-

1969
2014 Dodgers- 85
1969 Orioles- 77

2014
1969 Orioles- 92
2014 Dodgers- 70

That means the 1969 Baltimore Orioles move on to the final round as part of the Top 10. It was a long road, with two extra seasons needed, so they really earned it. That also gives us a team from the 40's, 50's and 60's.....it sure would be cool to see all ten teams represent different decades, but I'm sure there will be some repeats as we go along. I thought it would come down to this team , the Dodgers and the 92 Braves and that was pretty much the case....except the 07 Cubs kept up a better fight than I thought and they were right in it too.

Finally, a look at the teams we will see in Group 4-

1998 New York Yankees
1987 New York Mets
1963 Minnesota Twins
1976 Cincinnati Reds
1979 Montreal Expos
2012 Atlanta Braves

This will be the last chance for the Braves to move on and the only chance for the Twins. The 98 Yankees are one of the winningest teams of the last 100 years or so, but they never have the look of one of the best ever. This will tell us a lot. The Mets are, on paper, not as good as the 86 version that didn't make it here.....but they have pitching in spades and could surprise. The Twins have a few "partial season" guys who may tip the scales....but we saw with Bob Hazel in Group 3 that it isn't a guarantee. Still, they may be a dark horse to win this The Reds have to be one of the favorites here. Their 72 counterparts didn't not fare well, but this team is better all around...and they have potentially the best player in the group with Joe Morgan. The Expos were a surprise to get here and this could be where they get "Expos"ed! Finally, the Braves are a solid team....but I see them as more middle of the pack in this group.

Highlander · 07-17-2023, 01:56 PM

This group is a little different with the earliest team from 1963....we'll see how that might change things-

Win Totals
1963
1976 Reds- 88....The Big Red Machine starting off well
1963 Twins- 84.....A solid start in their home season
1998 Yankees- 82.....Only 6 wins behind the leader
1979 Expos- 81....Not a bad start for them either
2012 Braves- 76
1987 Mets- 75.....Not much learned here as there's only 13 wins between 1st and last

1976
1976 Reds- 96....Owning their home season as many have not
2012 Braves- 86.....10 games better than last season
1963 Twins- 81
1979 Expos- 76
1998 Yankees- 74....This really hurts their chances against the Reds
1987 Mets- 73....Seeming like they are not contenders at all

1979
1976 Reds- 88....Looking like they will be tough to beat!
2012 Braves- 87.....Kind of a surprise, but partial season pitchers driving them
1998 Yankees- 82.....I kind of expected this, but hoped I was wrong
1979 Expos- 80....Kind of impressed with how well this team has done
1963 Twins- 77
1987 Mets- 72....Probably the nail in their coffin

1987
1976 Reds- 102....I'll finish the last two seasons, but I think we already know the winner
1998 Yankees- 86
2012 Braves- 78
1979 Expos- 75
1987 Mets- 73....Not a good showing in the home season
1963 Twins- 72

1998
1976 Reds- 96....Ho hum
1998 Yankees- 93....Nice showing in their home season, but still not enough
2012 Braves- 86
1963 Twins- 76
1987 Mets- 72
1979 Expos- 63....Yuck

2012
1976 Reds- 91....Not much suspense here- never less than 88 wins
2012 Braves- 88....A very good showing overall thanks to Medlen and Beachy
1987 Mets- 82....Their only winning season!
1998 Yankees- 81....Disappointing results for the Yankees again
1963 Twins- 79
1979 Expos- 65...Really struggled these last two seasons

Award Winners

Gold Glove Awards
P- Mike Minor (12 Braves)- 1963, 1979
John Mitchell (87 Mets)- 1976
Brandon Beachy (12 Braves)- 1987
Jim Roland (63 Twins)- 1998
Kris Medlen (12 Braves)- 2012

C- Johnny Bench (76 Reds)- 1963, 1976, 1979, 1987, 1998, 2012

1B- Tony Perez (76 Reds)- 1963, 1976, 1987
Don Mincher (63 Twins)- 1979
Vic Power (63 Twins)- 1998, 2012

2B- Homer Bush (98 Yankees)- 1963, 1979, 2012
Johnny Goryl (63 Twins)- 1976, 1987
Rodney Scott (79 Expos)- 1998

3B- Scott Brosius (98 Yankees)- 1963, 1987, 2012
Howard Johnson (87 Mets)- 1976, 1979, 1998

SS- Andrelton Simmons (12 Braves)- 1963, 1976, 1979, 1987, 1998, 2012

LF- Warren Cromartie (79 Expos)- 1963, 1976, 1979, 1987, 2012
Martin Prado (12 Braves)- 1998

CF- Jimmie Hall (63 Twins)- 1963, 1987
Michael Bourn (12 Braves)- 1976, 1979, 1998
Lenny Dykstra- (87 Mets)- 2012

RF-Jason Heyward (12 Braves)- 1963, 1979, 1998, 2012
Bob Allison (63 Twins)- 1976
Paul O'Neill (98 Yankees)- 1987

Silver Slugger Awards
C- Earl Battey (63 Twins)- 1963, 1987, 2012
Johnny Bench (76 Reds)- 1976, 1998
Gary Carter (79 Expos)- 1979

1B- Tony Perez (76 Reds)- 1963, 1976, 1998
Lee Mazzilli (87 Mets)- 1979
Shane Spencer (98 Yankees)- 1987, 2012

2B- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- 1963, 1976, 1979, 1987, 1998, 2012

3B- Scott Brosius (98 Yankees)- 1963
Pete Rose (76 Reds)- 1976, 1987
Chipper Jones (12 Braves)- 1979, 1998
Larry Parrish (79 Expos)- 2012

SS- Derek Jeter (98 Yankees)- 1963, 1976, 1979, 1987, 2012
Andrelton Simmons (12 Braves)- 1998

LF- Harmon Killebrew (63 Twins)- 1963, 2012
Bob Bailey (76 Reds)- 1976, 1979, 1987, 1998

CF- Bernie Williams (98 Yankees)- 1963, 1979, 1987
George Foster (76 Reds)- 1976, 1998
Michael Bourn (12 Braves)- 2012

RF- Bob Allison (63 Twins)- 1963, 1976, 1979
Darryl Strawberry (87 Mets)- 1987, 2012
Ken Griffey (76 Reds)- 1998

DH- Don Mincher (63 Twins)- 1963, 1987
Dan Driessen (76 Reds)- 1976
Dave Magadan (87 Mets)- 1979, 1998
Dave Cash (79 Expos)- 2012

Rookie of the Year
1963- Shane Spencer (98 Yankees)- .265/.318/.418, 29 doubles, 3 triples, 19 HR, 68 R, 77 RBI, 1 SB, 1.6 WAR

1976- Andrelton Simmons (12 Braves)- .281/.336/.354, 24 doubles, 4 triples, 3 HR, 55 R, 68 RBI, 0 SB, 7.2 WAR....he also had an incredible 31.4 Zone Rating at SS. Dave Concepcion was 2nd at 9.3.

1979- Andrelton Simmons- .282/.325/.398, 23 doubles, 7 triples, 10 HR, 59 R, 83 RBI, 0 SB, 4.0 WAR

1987- Shane Spencer- .310/.366/.560, 37 doubles, 1 triple, 39 HR, 107 R, 150 RBI, 7 SB, 4.4 WAR

1998- Andrelton Simmons- .318/.366/.462, 31 doubles, 11 triples, 11 HR, 65 R, 92 RBI, 1 SB, 6.8 WAR

2012- Andrelton Simmons- .263/.307/.389, 36 doubles, 7 triples, 7 HR, 64 R, 68 RBI, 0 SB, 5.7 WAR

Reliever of the Year
1963- Craig Kimbrel (12 Braves)- 10-7, 20 Saves, 87.2 IP, 2.26 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 78 K, 2.9 WAR

1976- Craig Kimbrel- 7-9, 35 Saves, 90.2 IP, 2.18 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 78 K, 3.0 WAR

1979- Craig Kimbrel- 4-6, 39 Saves, 79.2 IP, 2.71 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, 56 K, 1.2 WAR

1987- Bill Atkinson (79 Expos)- 8-7, 33 Saves, 89 IP, 1.42 ERA, 1.01 WHIP, 35 K, 2.0 WAR

1998- Craig Kimbrel- 5-3, 41 Saves, 69 IP, 1.43 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 75 K, 2.5 WAR

2012- Elias Sosa (79 Expos)- 1-3, 6 Saves, 65.2 IP, 1.23 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 53 K, 1.4 WAR

Cy Young Award
1963- Brandon Beachy (12 Braves)- 18-8, 272 IP, 2.55 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 175 K, 3.8 WAR

1976- Brandon Beachy- 14-12, 276.2 IP, 2.21 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 142 K, 3.9 WAR

1979- Brandon Beachy- 19-10, 279.1 IP, 2.71 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 143 K, 3.7 WAR

1987- Pat Zachry (76 Reds)- 19-9, 256.2 IP, 3.82 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 207 K, 6.2 WAR

1998- Kris Medlen (12 Braves)- 11-10, 181 IP, 2.44 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 136 K, 6.4 WAR

2012- Kris Medlen- 19-8, 202.1 IP, 2.58 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 167 K, 5.9 WAR

MVP Award
1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- .332/.449/.571, 27 doubles, 9 triples, 29 HR, 102 R, 114 RBI, 54 SB, 9.6 WAR

1976- Joe Morgan- .259/.397/.406, 23 doubles, 3 triples, 17 HR, 86 R, 90 RBI, 60 SB, 5.3 WAR

1979- Bernie Williams (98 Yankees)- .345/.389/.551, 31 doubles, 13 triples, 24 HR, 89 R, 113 RBI, 22 SB, 6.9 WAR

1987- Joe Morgan- .331/.463/.604, 36 doubles, 9 triples, 31 HR, 131 R, 121 RBI, 78 SB, 8.5 WAR

1998- Joe Morgan- .291/.414/.515, 37 doubles, 7 triples, 25 HR, 121 R, 112 RBI, 71 SB, 6.1 WAR

2012- Joe Morgan- .306/.420/.525, 41 doubles, 7 triples, 23 HR, 103 R, 100 RBI, 75 SB, 8.9 WAR

League Leaders

Batting Average
1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- .332
1976- Derek Jeter (98 Yankees)- .315
1979- Bernie Williams (98 Yankees)- .345
1987- Ken Griffey (76 Reds)- .339
1998- Dave Magadan (87 Mets)- .329
2012- Joe Morgan- .306

OBP
1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- .449
1976- Joe Morgan- .397
1979- Chipper Jones (12 Braves)- .419
1987- Joe Morgan- .463
1998- Joe Morgan- .419
2012- Joe Morgan- .420

SLG
1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- .571
1976- George Foster (76 Reds)- .459
1979- Bob Bailey (76 Reds)- .558
1987- Joe Morgan- .604
1998- Bob Bailey- .591
2012- Joe Morgan- .525

Doubles
1963- Lenny Dykstra (87 Mets)- 36
1976- Tim Teufel (87 Mets)- 40
1979- Larry Parrish (79 Expos)- 45
1987- Tim Teufel- 48
1998- Dave Magadan (87 Mets)- 55
2012- Tim Teufel- 60

Triples
1963- Dave Concepcion (76 Reds)- 10
1976- Michael Bourn (12 Braves)- 15
1979- Bernie Williams (98 Yankees)- 13
1987- Johnny Goryl (63 Twins)- 11
1998- Zoilo Versalles (63 Twins)- 12
2012- Derek Jeter (98 Yankees)- 13

Home Runs
1963- Harmon Killebrew (63 Twins)- 34
1976- George Foster (76 Reds)- 20....not sure why power was so down?
1979- Bob Bailey (76 Reds)- 30
1987- Bernie Williams (98 Yankees)- 41
1998- George Foster- 42
2012- Shane Spencer (98 Yankees)- 36

Runs
1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds), Ken Griffey (76 Reds)- tied at 102
1976- Michael Bourn (12 Braves)- 101
1979- Joe Morgan, Derek Jeter (98 Yankees)- 108
1987- Joe Morgan- 131
1998- Joe Morgan- 121
2012- Joe Morgan- 103

RBI
1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- 114
1976- George Foster (76 Reds)- 110
1979- Bernie Williams (98 Yankees)- 113
1987- Shane Spencer (98 Yankees)- 150
1998- George Foster- 155
2012- Shane Spencer- 102

Stolen Bases
1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- 54
1976- Joe Morgan- 60
1979- Joe Morgan- 70
1987- Joe Morgan- 78
1998- Joe Morgan- 71
2012- Joe Morgan- 75

Batter WAR
1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- 9.6
1976- Andrelton Simmons (12 Braves)- 7.2
1979- Bob Allison (63 Twins)- 7.6
1987- Joe Morgan- 8.5
1998- Andrelton Simmons- 6.8
2012- Joe Morgan- 8.9

Wins
1963- Gary Nolan (76 Reds), Dwight Siebler (63 Twins)- tied with 19
1976- Fred Norman (76 Reds)- 21
1979- Brandon Beachy (12 Braves), Hideki Irabu (98 Yankees), Gary Nolan, Fred Norman, Camilo Pascual (63 Twins)- all tied with 19
1987- Don Gullett (76 Reds), Pat Zachry (76 Reds)- tied with 19
1998- Brandon Beachy- 19
2012- Kris Medlen- 19

Saves
1963- Rawley Eastwick (76 Reds)- 25
1976- Craig Kimbrel (12 Braves)- 35
1979- Craig Kimbrel- 39
1987- Manny Sarmiento (76 Reds)- 38
1998- Craig Kimbrel- 41
2012- Craig Kimbrel- 40

ERA
1963- Kris Medlen (12 Braves)- 2.46
1976- Brandon Beachy (12 Braves)- 2.21
1979- Brandon Beachy- 2.71
1987- Kris Medlen- 3.09
1998- Kris Medlen- 2.44
2012- Kris Medlen- 2.58

WHIP
1963- Dwight Siebler (63 Twins)- 1.08
1976- Brandon Beachy (12 Braves), Dwight Siebler- tied at 1.05
1979- Brandon Beachy, Camilo Pascual (63 Twins)- 1.17
1987- Kris Medlen (12 Braves)- 1.09
1998- Kris Medlen- 1.02
2012- Lee Stange (63 Twins)- 1.01

Strikeouts
1963- Dwight Gooden (87 Mets)- 212
1976- Fred Norman (76 Reds)- 169
1979- Sid Fernandez (87 Mets), Pat Zachry (76 Reds)- 166
1987- Dwight Gooden- 220
1998- Pat Zachry- 220
2012- Scott Sanderson (79 Expos)- 230

Pitcher WAR
1963- Pat Zachry (76 Reds)- 6.0
1976- Gary Nolan (76 Reds)- 4.7
1979- Kris Medlen (12 Braves)- 5.6
1987- Dwight Gooden (87 Mets)- 7.2
1998- Kris Medlen- 6.4
2012- Kris Medlen- 5.9

Highlander · 07-17-2023, 03:44 PM

There wasn't much suspense in this group, but here's the final results

1976 Reds- 561
2012 Braves- 501
1998 Yankees- 498
1963 Twins- 469
1987 Mets- 447
1979 Expos- 440

Congratulations to the 1976 Cincinnati Reds on their advancement to the Top 10 in the final round. We now have one team each from the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's. Not what I expected at this point, but it is pretty interesting. The Reds tied the 43 Cardinals in the 1st round for the most wins, but the Cards only won by 20 over the 09 Pirates....the Reds just won this group by 60 and were the top team in every season. They didn't have to play a year before 1963, so that may be a big factor....we will see! The 79 Expos looked pretty decent early on, but their last two seasons were terrible and they now have the fewest wins, beating out the 1937 Giants who had 442 in group 3.

I realized I forgot to name my All-Group 3 team....I'm a little too far removed from those seasons and don't have it in me to go back and revisit them all, so we're just going to have to go without it! However, I will name an All-Group 4 Team!

C- Johnny Bench (76 Reds)- He won all the Gold Gloves and a couple of Silver Sluggers. No one else really stood out.

1B- Shane Spencer (98 Yankees)- Tony Perez collected a little more hardware, but Spencer had some monster seasons....150 RBI in one!

2B- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- Clearly the MVP of this group. He won multiple Silver Sluggers and Season MVPs...plus led the league in so many categories that it was hard to keep track. He'll be a major force for the Reds in the last round, I am sure. He's also the first MVP who was on the winning team. Group 3's MVP would have been Bob Hazel of the 57 Braves...and they obviously didn't advance.

3B- This was a close one...but I'm going with Scott Brosius (98 Yankees). He won 3 Gold Gloves and 1 Silver Slugger. He was pretty consistent throughout and I'm a Yankees fan who loved watching this 98 team in real life, so he gets the nod!

SS- Andrelton Simmons (12 Braves)- You thought I'd pick Jeter, didn't you?!? He was excellent in this group, but Simmons was incredible. His defense was stellar. He regularly had Zone Ratings in the high 20's and hit 30+ at least once. He beat Shane Spencer 4-2 in ROY Awards, stole a Silver Slugger from Jeter and led the league in WAR twice. He was hard not to pick.

OF- The 3 OF I will pick are- Bob Allison (63 Twins), Bernie Williams (98 Yankees) and George Foster (76 Reds). Allison was the only one to win a Gold Glove, but the hitting of these guys was head and shoulders above most of the other OFers in this group. It was a talented bunch, though.

DH- None of the DH's stood out as much as this 4th OFer....Bob Bailey (76 Reds). Bailey was the odd man out of the OFers I picked, so I'm giving him this spot.

SP- I have been picking two and here I will go with Kris Medlen (12 Braves) and Brandon Beachy (12 Braves). They were the two dominant pitchers in this group. The Reds had most all of their guys win something or lead the league in different categories, but no one pitcher stood out. In real life, Medlen and Beachy didn't pitch full seasons, but they were both incredible....I still remember when Medlen came up. He was doing unheard of things in AAA that year and kept right on going. It's a shame he never reached those heights again.

RP- Craig Kimbrel (12 Braves)- Pretty clear he was the best RP of this group. There were a number of guys who put up some good numbers from all the teams, but Craig was the best.

OK- time to reveal Group 5! Here they are-

1955 New York Yankees
2017 Washington Nationals
1934 New York Yankees
1940 Detroit Tigers
1995 Cleveland Indians
2019 Los Angeles Dodgers

Wow....every group always looks so intriguing! The 55 Yankees are not a team I expect to win this group, but I'm not super familiar with them, so they may surprise. The 2017 Nationals are good....really good. Strasburg, Harper, Turner, Scherzer, etc. I see them being in serious contention. The 34 Yankees are a little like the 55 team. I don't know much about them, except that this was the Babe's last hurrah as a Yankee....so anything could happen! The 1940 Tigers got 284 RBI from Hank Greenburg and Rudy York, so if those guys produce and the pitching holds up....they could surprise. The 1995 Indians are a hitting machine....Manny, Albert, Thome. Pitching will be a huge key for them. Finally the 2019 Dodgers are another top contender. They have tons of power, depth and pitching. A shaky bullpen may hurt them, though. Should be a fun 6 seasons!

Highlander · 07-18-2023, 11:05 AM

Group 5 is ready to go!

Win Totals

1934
2019 Dodgers- 97....Big start for them
2017 Nationals- 86....Thinking these top two are the big contenders
1940 Tigers- 84....Not who I thought might be 3rd
1934 Yankees- 82....No magic for the Babe's last year?
1995 Indians- 72.....Thought they'd be better
1955 Yankees- 65.....Really tough start to overcome

1940
2017 Nationals- 94....Interesting
1940 Tigers- 86....Nice home season
2019 Dodgers- 83....Very Interesting
1995 Indians- 78
1955 Yankees- 75....Not a lot better
1934 Yankees- 70.....It's been a rough round for Yankees teams so far

1955
2019 Dodgers- 89....Back on top
1995 Indians- 84....Improving each season so far
1955 Yankees- 80.....Also improving, but need a big one
2017 Nationals- 78.....This really hurts them
1934 Yankees- 78
1940 Tigers- 77....Couldn't afford this finish

1995
2019 Dodgers- 91.....Might be the dagger
1995 Indians- 88.....Nice home season, but really needed to beat LA
2017 Nationals- 85....Not totally out, but getting close
1955 Yankees- 84.....Getting better each season, but just started too poorly
1934 Yankees- 75
1940 Tigers- 63.....These next two could get ugly for them

2017
2019 Dodgers- 104....This should wrap it up for them
2017 Nationals- 84....Thought they'd be more competitive with the Dodgers
1995 Indians- 82
1955 Yankees- 73
1940 Tigers- 73
1934 Yankees- 70

2019
2019 Dodgers- 102.....Leaving no doubt
2017 Nationals- 93....Good final season, but still fell well short
1995 Indians- 76....Just didn't have the pitching
1940 Tigers- 75
1934 Yankees- 74.....The Yankees
1955 Yankees- 66.....Underperformed again

Award Winners

Gold Glove Awards
P- Don Larsen (55 Yankees)- 1934, 1940
Gio Gonzalez (17 Nationals)- 1955
Whitey Ford (55 Yankees)- 1995
Bob Turley (55 Yankees)- 2017
Clayton Kershaw (19 Dodgers)- 2019

C- Will Smith (19 Dodgers)- 1934, 1940, 1955, 1995, 2017, 2019

1B- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- 1934, 1940, 1955, 2017, 2019
David Freese (19 Dodgers)- 1995

2B- Bobby Richardson (55 Yankees)- 1934
Alvaro Espinoza (95 Indians)- 1940, 1955, 1995, 2017
Max Muncy (19 Dodgers)- 2019

3B- Andy Carey (55 Yankees)- 1934, 1940, 1995, 2019
Anthony Rendon (17 Nationals)- 1955, 2017

SS- Wilmer Difo (17 Nationals)- 1934, 1940, 1955, 1995, 2017
Dick Bartell (40 Tigers)- 2019

LF- Irv Noren (55 Yankees)- 1934, 1955, 1995
Ben Chapman (34 Yankees)- 1940, 2017, 2019

CF- Alex Verdugo (19 Dodgers)- 1934
Adam Eaton (17 Nationals)- 1940
Kenny Lofton (95 Indians)- 1955, 1995, 2019
Mickey Mantle (55 Yankees)- 2017

RF- Cody Bellinger (19 Dodgers)- 1934, 1940, 1955, 2017, 2019
Myril Hoag (34 Yankees)- 1995

Silver Slugger Awards
C- Billy Sullivan (40 Tigers)- 1934, 1940
Will Smith (19 Dodgers)- 1955, 1995
Bill Dickey (34 Yankees)- 2017
Yogi Berra (55 Yankees)- 2019

1B- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- 1934, 1940
Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- 1955, 1995, 2017, 2019

2B- Daniel Murphy (17 Nationals)- 1934, 1995, 2017, 2019
Max Muncy (19 Dodgers)- 1940, 1955

3B- Jim Thome (95 Indians)- 1934, 1940, 1955, 1995, 2019
Justin Turner (19 Dodgers)- 2017

SS- Corey Seager (19 Dodgers)- 1934, 1940, 1955, 2017
Wilmer Difo (17 Nationals)- 1995
Frankie Crosetti (34 Yankees)- 2019

LF- Hank Greenberg (40 Tigers)- 1934, 1955, 1995
Albert Belle (95 Indians)- 1940, 2017, 2019

CF- Mickey Mantle (55 Yankees)- 1934, 1940, 1955, 1995, 2017, 2019

RF- Bryce Harper (17 Nationals)- 1934, 1940, 2017
Manny Ramirez (95 Indians)- 1955
Cody Bellinger (19 Dodgers)- 1995, 2019

DH- Trea Turner (17 Nationals)- 1934, 1940, 2019
Babe Ruth (34 Yankees)- 1955
Bill Skowron (55 Yankees)- 1995
Joc Pederson (19 Dodgers)- 2017

Rookie of the Year
1934- Tony Gonsolin (19 Dodgers)- 20-8, 264 IP, 2.69 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 105 K, 4.6 WAR

1940- Will Smith (19 Dodgers)- .260/.330/.402, 26 doubles, 0 triples, 15 HR, 59 R, 67 RBI, 0 SB, 2.9 WAR

1955- Will Smith- .267/.330/.523, 23 doubles, 2 triples, 33 HR, 82 R, 92 RBI, 1 SB, 5.4 WAR

1995- Will Smith- .254/.342/.555, 28 doubles, 2 triples, 37 HR, 83 R, 106 RBI, 3 SB, 5.2 WAR

2017- Will Smith- .226/.315/.474, 16 doubles, 2 triples, 31 HR, 68 R, 77 RBI, 1 SB, 4.5 WAR

2019- Will Smith- .223/.314/.526, 10 doubles, 1 triple, 43 HR, 81 R, 94 RBI, 3 SB, 5.6 WAR

Reliever of the Year
1934- Jose Mesa (95 Indians)- 7-5, 17 Saves, 75 IP, 2.04 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, 33 K, 1.2 WAR

1940- Rich Hill (19 Dodgers)- 11-6, 18 Saves, 103.2 IP, 3.82 ERA, 1.54 WHIP, 49 K, 2.2 WAR

1955- Jose Mesa- 9-5, 18 Saves, 92.2 IP, 2.04 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 44 K, 3.1 WAR

1995- Jose Mesa- 9-2, 42 Saves, 75 IP, 1.80 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 56 K, 2.4 WAR

2017- Dustin May (19 Dodgers)- 6-3, 6 Saves, 67.2 IP, 2.26 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 62 K, 1.5 WAR

2019- Dustin May- 4-3, 42 Saves, 69 IP, 1.30 ERA, .90 WHIP, 78 K, 3.2 WAR

Cy Young Award
1934- Lefty Gomez (34 Yankees)- 17-14, 287.2 IP, 3.16 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 111 K, 5.9 WAR

1940- Max Scherzer (17 Nationals)- 24-8, 271 IP, 2.59 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 142 K, 6.9 WAR

1955- Johnny Kucks (55 Yankees)- 17-12, 269.2 IP, 2.90 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 112 K, 6.7 WAR

1995- Clayton Kershaw (19 Dodgers)- 18-5, 205 IP, 2.85 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 159 K, 4.9 WAR

2017- Stephen Strasburg (17 Nationals)- 15-10, 237.1 IP, 2.84 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 245 K, 7.1 WAR

2019- Max Scherzer- 20-6, 227.2 IP, 2.73 ERA, .90 WHIP, 259 K, 6.9 WAR

MVP Award
1934- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- .348/.417/.555, 53 doubles, 7 triples, 19 HR, 109 R, 119 RBI, 1 SB, 6.6 WAR

1940- Jim Thome (95 Indians)- .320/.443/.504, 27 doubles, 6 triples, 19 HR, 102 R, 107 RBI, 1 SB, 7.8 WAR

1955- Mickey Mantle (55 Yankees)- .293/.412/.538, 26 doubles, 11 triples, 27 HR, 89 R, 91 RBI, 0 SB, 7.6 WAR

1995- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- .316/.430/.624, 39 doubles, 1 triple, 44 HR, 107 R, 119 RBI, 9 SB, 7.5 WAR

2017- Lou Gehrig- .305/.403/.632, 33 doubles, 4 triples, 49 HR, 115 R, 129 RBI, 4 SB, 8.4 WAR

2019- Cody Bellinger (19 Dodgers)- .304/.373/.625, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 53 HR, 102 R, 123 RBI, 12 SB, 8.3 WAR

League Leaders

Batting Average
1934- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- .348
1940- Daniel Murphy (17 Nationals)- .322
1955- Barney McCoskey (40 Tigers)- .315
1995- Bryce Harper (17 Nationals)- .331
2017- Barney McCoskey- .321
2019- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- .341

OBP
1934- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- .417
1940- Jim Thome (95 Indians)- .443
1955- Mickey Mantle (55 Yankees)- .412
1995- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- .430
2017- Anthony Rendon (17 Nationals)- .411
2019- Lou Gehrig- .430

SLG
1934- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- .555
1940- Mickey Mantle (55 Yankees)- .553
1955- Mickey Mantle- .538
1995- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- .624
2017- Lou Gehrig- .632
2019- Lou Gehrig- .674

Doubles
1934- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- 53
1940- Rudy York- 53
1955- Bill Skowron (55 Yankees)- 46
1995- Hank Greenberg (40 Tigers)- 55
2017- Adam Eaton (17 Nationals), Daniel Murphy (17 Nationals)- tied with 50
2019- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees), Daniel Murphy- tied with 46

Triples
1934- Barney McCoskey (40 Tigers)- 23
1940- Kenny Lofton (95 Indians)- 23
1955- Kenny Lofton- 26
1995- Kenny Lofton- 14
2017- Kenny Lofton- 12
2019- Trea Turner (17 Nationals)- 15

Home Runs
1934- Cody Bellinger (19 Dodgers), Bryce Harper (17 Nationals)- tied with 23
1940- Albert Belle (95 Indians)- 29
1955- Will Smith (19 Dodgers)- 33
1995- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- 44
2017- Lou Gehrig- 49
2019- Cody Bellinger- 53

Runs
1934- Trea Turner (17 Nationals)- 124
1940- Kenny Lofton (95 Indians)- 124
1955- Kenny Lofton- 122
1995- Trea Turner- 123
2017- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- 115
2019- Kenny Lofton- 118

RBI
1934- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- 119
1940- Rudy York- 114
1955- Hank Greenberg (40 Tigers)- 112
1995- Albert Belle (95 Indians)- 122
2017- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- 129
2019- Rudy York- 147

Stolen Bases
1934- Kenny Lofton (95 Indians)- 86
1940- Trea Turner (17 Nationals)- 95
1955- Trea Turner- 86
1995- Trea Turner- 134....Wow!
2017- Trea Turner- 84
2019- Kenny Lofton- 100

Batter WAR
1934- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- 6.6
1940- Jim Thome (95 Indians)- 7.8
1955- Mickey Mantle (55 Yankees)- 7.6
1995- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- 7.5
2017- Lou Gehrig- 8.4
2019- Lou Gehrig- 8.8...Gehrig led the league in BA, OBP, SLG, 2B, and WAR...Bellinger led in just HR and he wins the MVP?

Wins
1934- Schoolboy Rowe (40 Tigers)- 21
1940- Max Scherzer (17 Nationals)- 24
1955- Max Scherzer- 21
1995- Chad Ogea (95 Indians)- 19
2017- Clayton Kershaw (19 Dodgers), Hyun-Jin Ryu (19 Dodgers)- tied with 19
2019- Max Scherzer- 20

Saves
1934- Ross Stripling (19 Dodgers)- 20
1940- Rich Hill (19 Dodgers)- 17
1955- Clayton Kershaw (19 Dodgers), Don Larsen (55 Yankees)- 25
1995- Jose Mesa (95 Indians)- 42
2017- Koda Glover (17 Nationals)- 45
2019- Dustin May (19 Dodgers)- 42

ERA
1934- Tony Gonsolin (19 Dodgers)- 2.69
1940- Max Scherzer (17 Nationals)- 2.59
1955- Tony Gonsolin- 2.48
1995- Clayton Kershaw (19 Dodgers)- 2.85
2017- Johnny Allen (34 Yankees)- 2.69
2019- Lefty Gomez (34 Yankees)- 2.57

WHIP
1934- Lefty Gomez (34 Yankees)- 1.20
1940- Schoolboy Rowe (40 Tigers)- 1.16
1955- Johnny Kucks (55 Yankees)- 1.11
1995- Clayton Kershaw (19 Dodgers)- 1.04
2017- Max Scherzer (17 Nationals)- 1.00
2019- Max Scherzer- .90

Strikeouts
1934- Red Ruffing (34 Yankees)- 144
1940- Lefty Gomez (34 Yankees), Max Scherzer (17 Nationals)- tied with 142
1955- Bobo Newsom (40 Tigers)- 157
1995- Lefty Gomez- 221
2017- Johnny Allen (34 Yankees)- 285
2019- Johnny Allen- 272

Pitcher WAR
1934- Hyun-Jin Ryu (19 Dodgers)- 6.5
1940- Max Scherzer (17 Nationals)- 6.9
1955- Johnny Kucks (55 Yankees)- 6.7
1995- Walker Buehler (19 Dodgers)- 6.0
2017- Hyun-Jin Ryu- 7.5
2019- Max Scherzer- 6.9

Highlander · 07-18-2023, 11:52 AM

We are half way through Round 3! This one left little doubt about what team would advance, but here are the results-

2019 Dodgers- 566
2017 Nationals- 520
1995 Indians- 480
1940 Tigers- 458
1934 Yankees- 449
1955 Yankees- 443

Setting a new Round 3 Wins Record, the 2019 Los Angeles Dodgers move on to Round 4 with a place in the Top 10. They won 566 games over the 6 seasons, breaking the record of 561 held by both the 1943 Cardinals from Group 1 and the 1976 Reds in Group 4. This group was, by far, the most offensively talented group we've had. There were HUGE seasons by multiple players and for the first time, there wasn't one player who was the clear dominant one in the league. This Dodgers team will be a force, I think, but we'll see how they matchup up against some teams with superior pitching.

I will attempt to name my All-Group 5 Team, but this was a really strong group with so many great seasons by different players. Here's my best shot!

C- Will Smith (19 Dodgers)- He won all the Gold Gloves, 2 Silver Sluggers and had some huge HR totals.

1B- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- 5 Gold Gloves, 4 Silver Sluggers and 2 MVPs....plus a bunch of league leader spots in multiple categories. There were some other great players, but I think Gehrig gets the Group MVP award....by just a little bit, anyway!

2B- I guess I'll go with Daniel Murphy (17 Nationals) here. He didn't win any Gold Gloves, but had 4 Silver Sluggers and was always a candidate for the batting title. Max Muncy of the 19 Dodgers was a close runner-up.

3B- Jim Thome (95 Indians) is the choice here. He won 5 Silver Sluggers and was in the running for some Gold Gloves, but never won.

SS- I'm actually going with a guy who DH's a lot more than playing SS, but he is a natural SS.....Trea Turner (17 Nationals). His stolen base totals were tremendous...even beating the real MLB record one season. Teammate Wilmer Difo was the best fielding SS in the group and won a Silver Slugger one season, so he deserves mention too, but Turner was spectacular most every season and needs to be on this team...but probably won't make it at DH.

OF- It's almost impossible to pick just 3 outfielders from this group....I'll end up using the DH spot for another one as you may have guessed. However, the 3 guys I'll pick here are- Mickey Mantle (55 Yankees), Albert Belle (95 Indians), Kenny Lofton (95 Indians). Mantle won all the Silver Sluggers in CF and added 1 Gold Glove and 1 MVP. Belle won 3 Silver Sluggers and as in real life, when he was good, he was incredible. Lofton may be a surprise. He did win 3 Gold Gloves, but no Sluggers or MVPs. He was, however, a dynamic player in every season. He battled Trea Turner for the stolen base crown every season and was always in the top 2 or 3 in runs scored.

DH- Cody Bellinger (19 Dodgers)- Really a 4th OFer, Bellinger won 5 Gold Gloves, 2 Sliver Sluggers and an MVP. He was a 30/30 guy more than once as well.

SP- Tough to pick two, as there were a few guys who had good seasons, but not one or two really dominant ones. I'll go with- Max Scherzer (17 Nationals) and Lefty Gomez (34 Yankees). Max was probably the most dominant guy across the awards and league leaders. Gomez wasn't much different than a couple of the guys on the 2019 Dodgers, but he stood out in both early and late eras and was able to put up great numbers most years on a team that wasn't very successful.

RP- I'll pick Jose Mesa (95 Indians) here. Dustin May of the 2019 Dodgers made a late push, but I don't think he was always a RP and didn't have the consistency of Mesa.

Time to meet Group 6! Here's the teams we will see in the next matchup-

1980 Montreal Expos
1932 New York Yankees
1933 Pittsburgh Pirates
1990 Pittsburgh Pirates
2008 Boston Red Sox
2011 Texas Rangers

Definitely an odd mix here. We already saw the 79 Expos end their Cinderella run by putting up the worst win total we've seen so far. Not sure we can expect more from the 1980 team. The 32 Yankees are not too far removed from the 34 team that just really struggled. Differences are a much better Babe and 2-3 other guys who will support Ruth and Gehrig, including a terrific partial season by Myril Hoag that may factor in. Pitching isn't the strongest, so that will decide things for them. The 33 Pirates are another Cinderella team that likely won't fare well here. The 1990 Pirates will be similar to their 91 counterparts we saw in Group 2. They finished a solid 3rd and this group might be better. Watch out for Zane Smith who pitched 76 innings and put up a ridiculous 1.30 ERA. The 2008 Red Sox don't stand out at first glance, but they have some really good partial season guys who put up good numbers. They could surprise. Finally, the 2011 Rangers dominated in the 1st round and did really well in the 2nd, so they come in as a favorite until they falter. The Napoli/Hamilton/Beltre trio is really strong.

Highlander · 07-19-2023, 12:18 PM

Win Totals

1932
2011 Rangers- 89.....Still the favorites, I guess!
1990 Pirates- 83....Staying close
1980 Expos- 80
1933 Pirates- 80
2008 Red Sox- 80....These 3 are still question marks for sure
1932 Yankees- 74....Another Yankees team that can't make a mark

1933
1933 Pirates- 86....Not dominant, but they won their home season!
1990 Pirates- 84
1932 Yankees- 83
1980 Expos- 82....Very close race in this season
2011 Rangers- 78
2008 Red Sox- 73....Strange how different the results were from a year difference

1980
2008 Red Sox- 89....3rd season in a row with a different top team
1980 Expos- 82....Decent showing in their home season
1932 Yankees- 82.....Hanging in there
1990 Pirates- 82....Another really close season
1933 Pirates- 76....Pretty big drop from their home season
2011 Rangers- 75.....Struggling after a good start

1990
1990 Pirates- 89....Slowly becoming the favorites, maybe?
1933 Pirates- 83
2011 Rangers- 83....Trying to stay alive
2008 Red Sox- 81.....Another close season
1980 Expos- 79.....Not great, but still keeps them barely alive I think
1932 Yankees- 71....This hurt in a very close race

2008
2011 Rangers- 94....Vaults them into the lead
1932 Yankees- 84....Too bad that 1990 season hurt so much
1933 Pirates- 81....Hanging around
1990 Pirates- 77....Doing this when the Rangers did well hurts
1980 Expos- 75....Probably the knockout punch
2008 Red Sox- 75....Yuck

2011
2011 Rangers- 89
2008 Red Sox- 83
1932 Yankees- 82
1933 Pirates- 81
1990 Pirates- 77
1980 Expos- 74

Award Winners

Gold Glove Awards
P- Tim Wakefield (08 Red Sox)- 1932
Scott Sanderson (80 Expos)- 1933
Red Ruffing (32 Yankees)- 1980
Steve Rogers (80 Expos)- 1990
Daisuke Matsuzaka (08 Red Sox)- 2008, 2011

C- Mike LaValliere (90 Pirates)- 1932, 1980, 1990, 2011
Gary Carter (80 Expos)- 1933, 2008

1B- Kevin Youkilis (08 Red Sox)- 1932, 1980, 1990, 2008
Sid Bream (90 Pirates)- 1933, 2011

2B- Rodney Scott (80 Expos)- 1932, 1933, 1980, 2008, 2011
Tony Piet (33 Pirates)- 1990

3B- Mike Lowell (08 Red Sox)- 1932, 1980, 1990, 2008, 2011
Pie Traynor (33 Pirates)- 1933

SS- Alex Cora (08 Red Sox)- 1932, 1933, 1990, 2011
Arky Vaughn (33 Pirates)- 1980
Chris Speier (80 Expos)- 2008

LF- Jerry White (80 Expos)- 1932
Josh Hamilton (11 Rangers)- 1933
Earle Combs (32 Yankees)- 1980
Lloyd Waner (33 Pirates)- 1990, 2008, 2011

CF- Andre Dawson (80 Expos)- 1932
Jacoby Ellsbury (08 Red Sox)- 1933, 1980, 1990, 2008, 2011

RF- Nelson Cruz (11 Rangers)- 1932, 1990, 2008
Ben Chapman (32 Yankees)- 1933
RJ Reynolds (90 Pirates)- 1980, 2011

Silver Slugger Awards
C- Mike Napoli (11 Rangers)- 1932, 1933, 1980, 1990, 2011
Gary Carter (80 Expos)- 2008

1B- Michael Young (11 Rangers)- 1932
Kevin Youkilis (08 Red Sox)- 1933
Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- 1980, 1990, 2008, 2011

2B- Dustin Pedroia (08 Red Sox)- 1932, 1933, 1980, 1990, 2008, 2011

3B- Adrian Beltre (11 Rangers)- 1932, 1980, 1990, 2008, 2011
Ken Macha (80 Expos)- 1933

SS- Arky Vaughn (33 Pirates)- 1932, 1933, 1980, 1990, 2008, 2011

LF- Barry Bonds (90 Pirates)- 1932, 1990, 2008
Babe Ruth (32 Yankees)- 1933
Josh Hamilton (11 Rangers)- 1980
Earle Combs (32 Yankees)- 2011

CF- Josh Hamilton (11 Rangers)- 1932, 1990
Freddie Lindstrom (33 Pirates)- 1933
Andre Dawson (80 Expos)- 1980
Sammy Byrd (32 Yankees)- 2008
Andy Van Slyke (90 Pirates)- 2011

RF- Paul Waner (33 Pirates)- 1932
Ellis Valentine (80 Expos)- 1933
Babe Ruth (32 Yankees)- 1980, 1990, 2008, 2011

DH- Gary Redus (90 Pirates)- 1932
Randy Bass (80 Expos)- 1933
Bobby Bonilla (90 Pirates)- 1980, 1990, 2011
David Ortiz (08 Red Sox)- 2008

Rookie of the Year
1932- Randy Tomlin (90 Pirates)- 16-15, 282 IP, 3.51 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 69 K, 3.8 WAR

1933- Johnny Allen (32 Yankees)- 21-10, 294.2 IP, 2.93 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 117 K, 4.6 WAR

1980- Randy Tomlin- 20-11, 271.1 IP, 2.75 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 111 K, 5.4 WAR

1990- Randy Tomlin- 15-13, 260.1 IP, 2.87 ERA, 1.09 WHIP, 156 K, 6.4 WAR

2008- Ralph Birkofer (33 Pirates)- 15-10, 233.1 IP, 3.20 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 228 K, 5.3 WAR

2011- Ralph Birkofer- 11-10, 229 IP, 3.03 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 203 K, 3.8 WAR

Reliever of the Year
1932- Pedro Strop (11 Rangers)- 6-4, 16 Saves, 62 IP, 1.89 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 18 K, .6 WAR

1933- Pedro Strop- 8-6, 16 Saves, 90.2 IP, 1.69 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 34 K, .5 WAR

1980- Woodie Fryman (80 Expos)- 4-4, 35 Saves, 81.1 IP, 1.44 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, 47 K, 3.2 WAR

1990- Vicente Palacios (90 Pirates)- 6-3, 30 Saves, 86.1 IP, 1.25 ERA, .93 WHIP, 45 K, 3.2 WAR

2008- Vicente Palacios- 5-3, 39 Saves, 66.2 IP, 1.75 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 40 K, 1.2 WAR

2011- Vicente Palacios- 4-5, 34 Saves, 1.16 ERA, .89 WHIP, 61 K, 2.0 WAR

Cy Young Award
1932- Scott Sanderson (80 Expos)- 14-15, 265.1 IP, 3.09 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 121 K, 5.5 WAR

1933- Johnny Allen (32 Yankees)- See Stats in ROY Award

1980- Randy Tomlin (90 Pirates)- See Stats in ROY Award

1990- Randy Tomlin- See Stats in ROY Award

2008- Ralph Birkofer (33 Pirates)- See Stats in ROY Award

2011- Ralph Birkofer- See Stats in ROY Award

MVP Award
1932- Arky Vaughn (33 Pirates)- .311/.381/.483, 34 doubles, 20 triples, 10 HR, 98 R, 79 RBI, 4 SB, 6.9 WAR

1933- Kevin Youkilis (08 Red Sox)- .331/.384/.461, 30 doubles, 8 triples, 11 HR, 78 R, 96 RBI, 1 SB, 5.2 WAR

1980- Arky Vaughn- .299/.389/.486, 33 doubles, 10 triples, 19 HR, 95 R, 102 RBI, 7.1 WAR

1990- Mike Napoli (11 Rangers)- .311/.399/.532, 20 doubles, 0 triples, 29 HR, 84 R, 83 RBI, 3 SB, 7.5 WAR

2008- Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- .304/.420/.572, 34 doubles, 3 triples, 38 HR, 101 R, 130 RBI, 4 SB, 7.7 WAR

2011- Babe Ruth (32 Yankees)- .243/.419/.539, 13 doubles, 0 triples, 46 HR, 99 R, 115 RBI, 0 SB, 7.0 WAR

League Leaders

Batting Average
1932- Michael Young (11 Rangers)- .339
1933- Fredie Lindstrom (33 Pirates)- .334
1980- Dustin Pedroia (08 Red Sox)- .332
1990- Michael Young- .349
2008- Earle Combs (32 Yankees)- .326
2011- Earle Combs- .330

OBP
1932- Barry Bonds (90 Pirates)- .414
1933- Babe Ruth (32 Yankees)- .398
1980- Babe Ruth- .414
1990- Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- .424
2008- Lou Gehrig- .420
2011- Babe Ruth- .419

SLG
1932- Manny Ramirez (08 Red Sox)- .507
1933- Freddie Lindstrom (33 Pirates)- .462
1934- Mike Napoli (11 Rangers)- .504
1990- Mike Napoli- .532
2008- Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- .572
2011- Bobby Bonilla (90 Pirates)- .561

Doubles
1932- Sid Bream (90 Pirates)- 51
1933- Dustin Pedroia (08 Red Sox)- 42
1980- Andre Dawson (80 Expos)- 47
1990- Bobby Bonilla (90 Pirates), Tony Piet (33 Pirates)- tied with 53
2008- Warren Cromartie (80 Expos)- 61
2011- Dustin Pedroia- 52

Triples
1932- Arky Vaughn (33 Pirates)- 20
1933- Rodney Scott (80 Expos)- 15
1980- Rodney Scott- 17
1990- Rodney Scott- 16
2008- Freddie Lindstrom (33 Pirates), Arky Vaughn- tied with 11
2011- Randy Bass (80 Expos)- 11

Home Runs
1932- Ian Kinsler (11 Rangers)- 24
1933- Babe Ruth (32 Yankees)- 19
1980- Babe Ruth- 31
1990- Mike Napoli (11 Rangers)- 29
2008- Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- 38
2011- Babe Ruth- 46

Runs
1932- Elvis Andrus (11 Rangers)- 106
1933- Arky Vaughn (33 Pirates)- 106
1980- Dustin Pedroia (08 Red Sox)- 104
1990- Barry Bonds (90 Pirates), Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- tied with 99
2008- Ben Chapman (32 Yankees), Earle Combs (32 Yankees)- tied with 115
2011- Andy Van Slyke (90 Pirates)- 100

RBI
1932- Josh Hamilton (11 Rangers)- 108
1933- Manny Ramirez (08 Red Sox)- 100
1980- Bobby Bonilla (90 Pirates)- 116
1990- Bobby Bonilla- 120
2008- Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- 130
2011- Bobby Bonilla- 133

Stolen Bases
1932- Rodney Scott (80 Expos)- 58
1933- Rodney Scott- 46
1980- Rodney Scott- 80
1990- Rodney Scott- 86
2008- Barry Bonds (90 Pirates), Jacoby Ellsbury (08 Red Sox)- tied with 57
2011- Rodney Scott- 69

Batter WAR
1932- Arky Vaughn (33 Pirates)- 6.9
1933- Kevin Youkilis (08 Red Sox), Josh Hamilton (11 Rangers)- tied with 5.2
1980- Arky Vaughn- 7.1
1990- Mike Napoli (11 Rangers)- 7.5
2008- Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- 7.7
2011- Babe Ruth (32 Yankees)- 7.0

Wins
1932- Bill Swift (33 Pirates)- 20
1933- Johnny Allen (32 Yankees)- 21
1980- Randy Tomlin (90 Pirates)- 20
1990- Doug Drabek (90 Pirates), Daisuke Matsuzaka (08 Red Sox)- 17
2008- Waite Hoyt (33 Pirates)- 18
2011- Johnny Allen (32 Yankees)- 17

Saves
1932- Jonathan Papelbon (08 Red Sox)- 18
1933- Woodie Fryman (80 Expos)- 22
1980 Woodie Fryman- 35
1990- Jonathan Papelbon- 40
2008- Vicente Palacios (90 Pirates)- 39
2011- Woodie Fryman, George Pipgras (32 Yankees)- 39

ERA
1932- Bill Swift (33 Pirates)- 3.06
1933- Doug Drabek (90 Pirates)- 2.75
1980- Randy Tomlin (90 Pirates)- 2.75
1990- Doug Drabek- 2.80
2008- Waite Hoyt (33 Pirates)- 2.93
2011- Ralph Birkofer (33 Pirates)- 3.03

WHIP
1932- Bill Swift (33 Pirates)- 1.09
1933- Larry French (33 Pirates), Randy Tomlin (90 Pirates)- 1.18
1980- Randy Tomlin- 1.12
1990- Bill Swift- 1.06
2008- Bill Swift- 1.08
2011- Hal Smith (33 Pirates)- 1.12

Strikeouts
1932- Red Ruffing (32 Yankees)- 163
1933- Red Ruffing- 149
1980- Red Ruffing- 194
1990- Lefty Gomez (32 Yankees)- 224
2008- Hank Johnson (32 Yankees)- 242
2011- Red Ruffing- 260

Pitcher WAR
1932- Bill Gullickson (80 Expos)- 6.2
1933- Larry French (33 Pirates)- 6.6
1980- Bill Gullickson- 5.8
1990- Randy Tomlin (90 Pirates)- 6.4
2008- Larry French- 5.7
2011- CJ Wilson (11 Rangers)- 5.1

Highlander · 07-19-2023, 12:40 PM

Group 6 is in the books...here's the final results-

2011 Rangers- 508
1990 Pirates- 492
1933 Pirates- 487
2008 Red Sox- 481
1932 Yankees- 476
1980 Expos- 402

So, congratulations are in order for the 2011 Texas Rangers who have to be the most unlikely member of the Top 10 heading to the final round. It was far from a dominant performance as this was one of the closest groups we've had....with the exception of the 1980 Expos. Even the Expos weren't too far out of it until the last couple of seasons. There just wasn't a stand-out team in this group and the Rangers were the best in their own era to vault them into the next round. They have some great offensive players, but I just don't see their pitching being good enough in the final round. The pitching in this group was pretty weak overall and there are some great staffs waiting in that final round. They've made it this far, though, so you never know!

This is another tough group to name the top players....especially the MVP of the group. But, I'll give it a try-

C- Mike Napoli (11 Rangers)- One of the easier choices. He won an MVP and all but one Silver Slugger.

1B- Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- Kevin Youkilis got off to a quick start and Michael Young was very good throughout, but Gehrig was the best

2B- Dustin Pedroia (08 Red Sox)- This was a little closer than I thought, as Rodney Scott won most of the Gold Gloves and was the top speed guy of the group. His hitting was pretty bad, though, so Dustin gets the nod.

3B- Adrian Beltre (11 Rangers)- Mike Lowell was the best fielder of the group, but Beltre was the best overall player.

SS- Arky Vaughn (33 Pirates)- He was really good early on and won all 6 Silver Sluggers, plus snuck in a Gold Glove.

OF- The 3 guys for this group are- Barry Bonds (90 Pirates), Babe Ruth (32 Yankees) and Josh Hamilton (11 Rangers). No one totally dominated from this group, but they seemed to be in the mix for awards and league leader spots the most.

DH- Bobby Bonilla (90 Pirates)- He was really good and no one else at this spot was close.

SP- Randy Tomlin (90 Pirates) and Ralph Birkhofer (33 Pirates) get the nod by a little bit. They won all but one of the ROY Awards and all but one Cy Young Award. No pitchers were outstanding in this group, but these two deserve the top two spots.

RP- Vicente Palacios (90 Pirates)- There were about 3 really good relievers in this group, but Vicente stood out. He was a "partial season guy" who took advantage of it.

Time to meet Group 7-

1947 New York Yankees
2007 New York Yankees
1997 Florida Marlins
1908 New York Giants
2018 Cleveland Indians
1993 San Francisco Giants

We've got two more Yankees teams, but I'm not sure either will break the bad streak their Yankees franchise has been on in this competition. The Marlins are intriguing to me....they may be awful, but I have a feeling they will make a good showing. The 1908 Giants will be interesting. If the pitching translates to later years, they could be in the mix. The 2018 Indians will be solid, I think. They have a pretty well-rounded team. Finally, the 1993 Giants will be another team that could do well or could falter. There is no obvious standout team (to me anyway), so the one with the best player might go through....that could be Bonds.

Highlander · 07-19-2023, 09:24 PM

Win Totals

1908
1908 Giants- 107....Record number of wins for Round 3...impressive!
1993 Giants- 83
2018 Indians- 82
1947 Yankees- 77.....Another rough start for the Yankees
1997 Marlins- 72
2007 Yankees- 65.....Another really rough start for the Yankees

1947
1908 Giants- 97....Making it tough to catch them
1947 Yankees- 90.....Nice home season, but the Giants still beat them
2007 Yankees- 84....Not bad but need a lot more to catch the Giants
1993 Giants- 81
2018 Indians- 75
1997 Marlins- 59....So much for my thought they might be tough! Worst win total in this round!

1993
1947 Yankees- 89....Nice finish, but still need to make up for that 1908 season
1908 Giants- 84.....Starting to struggle?
1997 Marlins- 82
1993 Giants- 81....Thought they'd be better here
2007 Yankees- 76
2018 Indians- 74

1997
1947 Yankees- 89.....Best Yankees team we've seen. Can they come through?
1993 Giants- 84
2018 Indians- 83
2007 Yankees-80
1997 Marlins- 75.....Not good in their home season at all
1908 Giants- 75.....They've gotten worse each season...can the first two keep them alive?

2007
1908 Giants- 87....Wow- coming back!
1993 Giants- 86
2018 Indians- 84
1947 Yankees- 78....Probably just ruined their chances
2007 Yankees- 77
1997 Marlins- 74.....Did I really say they could be tough?

2018
1908 Giants- 89....What a finish for them after a rough middle
1947 Yankees- 88.....Close, but no cigar
2018 Indians- 86
1993 Giants- 78
2007 Yankees- 76
1997 Marlins- 69.....Basement again

Award Winners

Gold Glove Awards
P- Al Leiter (97 Marlins)- 1908
Christy Mathewson (08 Giants)- 1947, 2007
Livan Hernandez (97 Marlins)- 1993, 1997
Mike Clevinger (18 Indians)- 2018

C- Charles Johnson (97 Marlins)- 1908, 1947, 1993, 1997, 2007, 2018

1B- Doug Mientkiewicz (07 Yankees)- 1908, 1947, 1993, 1997, 2007
George McQuinn (47 Yankees)- 2018

2B- Erik Gonzalez (18 Indians)- 1908
Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- 1947, 1997, 2007, 2018
Kurt Abbott (97 Marlins)- 1993

3B- Matt Williams (93 Giants)- 1908
Jack Hannifin (08 Giants)- 1947, 1997
Bobby Brown (47 Yankees)- 1993, 2007, 2018

SS- Phil Rizzuto (47 Yankees)- 1908, 1947, 2007
Francisco Lindor (18 Indians)- 1993, 2018
Miguel Cairo (07 Yankees)- 1997

LF- Spike Shannon (08 Giants)- 1908, 1947, 2007
John Cangelosi (97 Marlins)- 1993
Cliff Floyd (97 Marlins)- 1997, 2018

CF- Darren Lewis (93 Giants)- 1908, 1947
Greg Allen (18 Indians)- 1993, 1997, 2018
Sammy Strang (08 Giants)- 2007

RF- Tommy Heinrich (47 Yankees)- 1908, 1947, 2018
Mark Carreon (93 Giants)- 1993, 1997, 2007

Silver Slugger Awards
C- Roger Bresnahan (08 Giants)- 1908
Jorge Posada (07 Yankees)- 1947, 1993, 1997, 2007, 2018

1B- Will Clark (93 Giants)- 1908, 1997
George McQuinn (47 Yankees)- 1947, 1993, 2007
Edwin Encarnacion (18 Indians)- 2018

2B- Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- 1908, 1947, 1993, 2007, 2018
Robby Thomson (93 Giants)- 1997

3B- Bobby Brown (47 Yankees)- 1908
Alex Rodriguez (07 Yankees)- 1947, 1997, 2007
Matt Williams (93 Giants)- 1993
Jose Ramirez (18 Indians)- 2018

SS- Al Bridwell (08 Giants)- 1908
Francisco Lindor (18 Indians)- 1947, 1993, 1997, 2007, 2018

LF- Michael Brantley (18 Indians)- 1908
Barry Bonds (93 Giants)- 1947, 1993, 1997, 2007, 2018

CF- Greg Allen (18 Indians)- 1908
Joe DiMaggio (47 Yankees)- 1947, 1993, 2007
Moises Alou (97 Marlins)- 1997, 2017

RF- Mike Donlin (08 Giants)- 1908, 1993, 1997, 2007, 2018
Mark Carreon (93 Giants)- 1947

DH- Derek Jeter (07 Yankees)- 1908, 2007
Charlie Keller (47 Yankees)- 1947, 1993, 1997
Michael Brantley (18 Indians)- 2018

Rookie of the Year
1908- Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- .261/.389/.329, 24 doubles, 6 triples, 0 HR, 73 R, 36 RBI, 65 SB, 8.9 WAR

1947- Buck Herzog- .257/.423/.340, 30 doubles, 5 triples, 2 HR, 111 R, 50 RBI, 18 SB, 6.8 WAR

1993- Buck Herzog- .318/.470/.435, 39 doubles, 5 triples, 5 HR, 111 R, 66 RBI, 48 SB, 9.2 WAR

1997- Buck Herzog- .270/.428/.353, 38 doubles, 4 triples, 0 HR, 117 R, 47 RBI, 45 SB, 5.9 WAR

2007- Buck Herzog- .252/.427/.369, 36 doubles, 2 triples, 8 HR, 118 R, 62 RBI, 45 SB, 7.0 WAR

2018- Buck Herzog- .275/.434/.390, 37 doubles, 3 triples, 7 HR, 115 R, 55 RBI, 36 SB, 8.2 WAR

Reliever of the Year
1908- None named

1947- Rod Beck (93 Giants)- 13-4, 21 Saves, 90 IP, 2.90 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 40 K, 1.3 WAR

1993- Oliver Perez (18 Indians)- 3-2, 41 Saves, 59.2 IP, 1.36 ERA, .92 WHIP, 51 K, 2.9 WAR

1997- Rod Beck- 7-1, 40 Saves, 66.2 IP, .94 ERA, .70 WHIP, 63 K, 2.8 WAR....Eckersley might be jealous of that season!

2007- Joe Page (47 Yankees)- 1-2, 40 Saves, 66 IP, 1.36 ERA, .98 WHIP, 81 K, 2.8 WAR

2018- Joba Chamberlain (07 Yankees)- 5-9, 39 Saves, 68 IP, 2.78 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 90 K, 2.6 WAR

Cy Young Award
1908- Christy Mathewson (08 Giants)- 32-9, 375 IP, 1.37 ERA, .76 WHIP, 204 K, 9.1 WAR

1947- Red Ames (08 Giants)- 22-11, 301.1 IP, 2.45 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 161 K, 8.2 WAR

1993- Spud Chandler (47 Yankees)- 19-10, 266.1 IP, 2.37 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 199 K, 5.8 WAR

1997- Spec Shea (47 Yankees)- 18-9, 239.1 IP, 3.08 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 219 K, 5.9 WAR

2007- Red Ames- 19-8, 244.2 IP, 2.57 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 235 K, 9.2 WAR

2018- Red Ames- 18-4, 237.2 IP, 2.16 ERA, .96 WHIP, 306 K, 9.4 WAR

MVP Award
1908- Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- See stats in ROY Award

1947- Barry Bonds (93 Giants)- .300/.383/.544, 33 doubles, 3 triples, 33 HR, 104 R, 91 RBI, 2 SB, 5.9 WAR

1993- Mike Donlin (08 Giants)- .351/.386/.595, 44 doubles, 4 triples, 31 HR, 90 R, 136 RBI, 41 SB, 6.7 WAR

1997- Barry Bonds- .305/.412/.624, 46 doubles, 6 triples, 39 HR, 106 R, 111 RBI, 17 SB, 8.1 WAR

2007- Barry Bonds- .313/.402/.635, 34 doubles, 0 triples, 50 HR, 123 R, 118 RBI, 15 SB, 7.6 WAR

2018- Barry Bonds- .314/.397/.665, 32 doubles, 1 triple, 56 HR, 119 R, 119 RBI, 16 SB, 10.1 WAR

League Leaders

Batting Average
1908- Mike Donlin (08 Giants)- .297
1947- Mike Donlin- .330
1993- Mike Donlin- .351
1997- Jorge Posada (07 Yankees)- .339
2007- Jorge Posada- .333
2018- Mike Donlin- .322

OBP
1908- Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- .389
1947- Charlie Keller (47 Yankees)- .430
1993- Buck Herzog- .470
1997- Buck Herzog- .428
2007- Buck Herzog- .427
2018- Buck Herzog- .434

SLG
1908- Mike Donlin (08 Giants)- .410
1947- Barry Bonds (93 Giants)- .544
1993- Jorge Posada (07 Yankees)- .598
1997- Barry Bonds- .624
2007- Barry Bonds- .635
2018- Barry Bonds- .665

Doubles
1908- Michael Brantley (18 Indians)- 34
1947- Bobby Bonilla (97 Marlins)- 40
1993- Derek Jeter (07 Yankees)- 46
1997- Larry Doyle (08 Giants)- 59
2007- Willie McGee (93 Giants)- 47
2018- Mike Donlin (08 Giants)- 46

Triples
1908- Tommy Heinrich (47 Yankees)- 16
1947- Greg Allen (18 Indians)- 19
1993- Joe DiMaggio (47 Yankees)- 10
1997- Larry Doyle (08 Giants)- 11
2007- Darren Lewis (93 Giants)- 9
2018- Lonnie Chisenhall (18 Indians)- 11

Home Runs
1908- Alex Rodriguez (07 Yankees)- 7
1947- Barry Bonds (93 Giants)- 33
1993- Charlie Keller (47 Yankees)- 46
1997- Charlie Keller- 49
2007- Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez- tied with 50
2018- Barry Bonds- 56

Runs
1908- Greg Allen (18 Indians)- 86
1947- Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- 111
1993- Buck Herzog- 111
1997- Buck Herzog- 117
2007- Barry Bonds (93 Giants)- 123
2018- Barry Bonds- 119

RBI
1908- Mike Donlin (08 Giants)- 74
1947- Mike Donlin- 136
1993- Mike Donlin- 136
1997- Larry Doyle (08 Giants), Alex Rodriguez (07 Yankees)- tied with 115
2007- Mike Donlin- 142
2018- Mike Donlin- 140

Stolen Bases
1908- Darren Lewis (93 Giants)- 102
1947- Darren Lewis- 27
1993- Darren Lewis- 81
1997- Darren Lewis- 52
2007- Darren Lewis- 59
2018- Darren Lewis- 58

Batter WAR
1908- Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- 8.9
1947- Buck Herzog- 6.8
1993- Buck Herzog- 9.2
1997- Barry Bonds (93 Giants)- 8.1
2007- Alex Rodriguez- 7.9
2018- Barry Bonds- 10.1

Wins
1908- Christy Mathewson (08 Giants)- 32
1947- Red Ames (08 Giants)- 22
1993- Hooks Wiltse (08 Giants)- 20
1997- Hooks Wiltse- 20
2007- Red Ames- 19
2018- Red Ames- 18

Saves
1908- Rod Beck (93 Giants)- 12
1947- Rod Beck- 21
1993- Joe Page (47 Yankees)- 43
1997- Rod Beck- 40
2007- Joe Page- 40
2018- Rod Beck- 41

ERA
1908- Christy Mathewson (08 Giants)- 1.37
1947- Red Ames (08 Giants)- 2.45
1993- Spud Chandler (47 Yankees)- 2.37
1997- Hooks Wiltse (08 Giants)- 2.84
2007- Red Ames- 2.57
2018- Red Ames- 2.16

WHIP
1908- Christy Mathewson (08 Giants)- .76
1947- Christy Mathewson- 1.06
1993- Billy Swift (93 Giants)- 1.01
1997- Christy Mathewson- 1.07
2007- Red Ames (08 Giants)- 1.07
2018- Red Ames- .96

Strikeouts
1908- Christy Mathewson (08 Giants)- 204
1947- Red Ames (08 Giants)- 161
1993- Red Ames- 229
1997- Red Ames- 239
2007- Red Ames- 235
2018- Red Ames- 306

Pitcher WAR
1908- Christy Mathewson (08 Giants)- 9.1
1947- Red Ames (08 Giants)- 8.2
1993- Red Ames- 6.8
1997- Red Ames- 6.6
2007- Red Ames- 9.2
2018- Red Ames- 9.4

Highlander · 07-20-2023, 09:32 AM

Here's the final results-

1908 Giants- 539
1947 Yankees- 511
1993 Giants- 493
2018 Indians- 484
2007 Yankees- 458
1997 Marlins- 431

That means the newest addition to the Top 10 is the 1908 New York Giants!! Another surprise team to make it this far, as they were a 2nd place team (by one game to the Cubs) in real life. However, their pitching with Christy Mathewson, Red Ames, Hooks Wiltse and company has been spectacular. I think the success of this team, along with the 2011 Rangers, shows that some teams that were merely very good in their time are possibly more suited to be successful in other eras than a team that may be considered great. That seems to be the case with some of the Yankees teams that have stumbled in this round. They were great for their time....but aren't suited to be successful across time. Or it could be all dumb luck and just how OOTP interprets certain things!

In any case, here's my attempt at an All-Group 7 Team-

C- Jorge Posada (07 Yankees)- I had forgotten how good Jorge was in real life during this season. .338 with 42 doubles and 20 HR...wow! He put up some big seasons in this group as well....even though the 2007 Yankees didn't fare all that well.

1B- George McQuinn (47 Yankees)- I would have bet on Will Clark in this one, but George outplayed him.

2B- Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- An easy choice and major reason the Giants won this group. He was a consistent Gold Glove winner, won all the ROY Awards and was an on-base/run scoring machine.

3B- Alex Rodriguez (07 Yankees)- I'm not a fan of ARod, but he put up some pretty big numbers here....like in real life....so he has to be the choice.

SS- Francisco Lindor (18 Indians)- A couple of Gold Gloves and by far the best hitting stats of the SS. He was really good.

OF- The top 3 are- Barry Bonds (93 Giants), Mike Donlin (08 Giants), Joe DiMaggio (47 Yankees). Bonds and Donlin were the two major stars of this group....and I give the MVP edge, ever so slightly, to Bonds. His power just gives him that edge, but Donlin was fantastic and will be a force in the final round. DiMaggio was very good, but I could have picked any number of other guys.

DH- Charlie Keller (47 Yankees)- He had some huge power and was the best of the DH options.

SP- I have to go with the two big guns for the 1908 Giants in Christy Mathewson and Red Ames. The 47 Yankees had some good arms and a couple of other guys had some good seasons, but those two were the best of the bunch.

RP- This was a very strong group for relief pitchers, but Rod Beck (93 Giants) stood out as the best.

Here's a look at Group 8-

1910 New York Giants
1959 Los Angeles Dodgers
1927 New York Yankees
1989 Kansas City Royals
2021 Milwaukee Brewers
1996 Cleveland Indians

We just saw the counterparts of this 1910 Giants team win Group 7, but I think this team might be a step down. That pitching will still be tough, though. The 59 Dodgers are that transition team between the 50s Brooklyn teams of Jackie Robinson/Duke Snider and Roy Campanella and the 60s LA teams of Koufax/Drysdale. Not sure they are good enough to advance, though. Not much needs to be said about the 1927 Yankees. They have been thought of as one of the best teams ever for a very long time. However, the Yankees haven't done well so far. If this team doesn't advance, though, it will be tough for the Yankees to have any teams in the top 10 at this point. That would be a bit of a shocker. The 89 Royals are the only chance for Kansas City to get a team in the Top 10. I don't think it will happen. The 2021 Brewers are a surprise team to be here....they have very good pitching for their year, but not much of an offense. Finally, we saw the 1995 Indians finish a distant 3rd in their group, but this team has an even better group of hitters when you factor in partial season guys like Brian Giles. Their pitching is kind of rough, though, so 3rd may be as close as they get.

Highlander · 07-20-2023, 05:42 PM

Win Totals

1910
1910 Giants- 93.....Another good start for these early era Giants
1927 Yankees- 92......Sticking right with them
2021 Brewers- 86.....I thought the pitching would help them in these early years
1959 Dodgers- 77
1989 Royals- 69
1996 Indians- 69

1927
1927 Yankees- 103....Holding serve
1910 Giants- 88....Not going away
2021 Brewers- 86
1996 Indians- 79
1959 Dodgers- 72
1989 Royals- 58....These 50-win seasons are ugly

1959
1927 Yankees- 92....Living up to the hype so far
2021 Brewers- 87....That pitching is good
1959 Dodgers- 82.....Not a losing home season at least
1989 Royals- 80
1910 Giants- 77....That hurt their chances
1996 Indians- 68

1989
1910 Giants- 93.....Coming down to a two team race
1927 Yankees- 87.....A minor stumble, just can't drop too far...worried about pitching depth
2021 Brewers- 82.....They've been good, but not good enough
1989 Royals- 78
1996 Indians- 75
1959 Dodgers- 71

1996
1927 Yankees- 92.....Back on top
1910 Giants- 91.....Sticking close, but need a big win
1996 Indians- 86.....Not bad in their home season
2021 Brewers- 83.....Thought they'd be better in earlier years and they were
1959 Dodgers- 69
1989 Royals- 65

2021
2021 Brewers- 99....Wow, they really came up big
1996 Indians- 88....So much better in these later years
1910 Giants- 85.....Could this be enough?
1959 Dodgers- 84....Their best season
1927 Yankees- 67....Ouch, the pitching depth caught up I think...but did they blow it?
1989 Royals- 63

Award Winners

Gold Glove Awards
P- Hooks Wiltse (10 Giants)- 1910
Louis Drucke (10 Giants)- 1927
Charles Nagy (96 Indians)- 1959
Orel Hershisher (96 Indians)- 1989, 1996
Chad Ogea (96 Indians)- 2021

C- Chief Myers (10 Giants)- 1910
Manny Pina (21 Brewers)- 1927
Bob Boone (89 Royals)- 1959, 1989, 1996, 2021

1B- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- 1910, 1996
Jace Peterson (21 Brewers)- 1927, 1959
Norm Larker (59 Dodgers)- 1989
Julio Franco (96 Indians)- 2021

2B- Tony Lazzeri (27 Yankees)- 1910, 1927, 1959, 1989, 1996
Jim Baxes (59 Dodgers)- 2021

3B- Pablo Reyes (21 Brewers)- 1910, 1927, 1959, 1989, 2021
Art Devlin (10 Giants)- 1996

SS- Luis Urias (21 Brewers)- 1910, 1959, 1996
Mark Koenig (27 Yankees)- 1927, 1989, 2021

LF- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- 1910, 1927, 1996, 2021
Pat Tabler (89 Royals)- 1959
Tyrone Taylor (21 Brewers)- 1989

CF- Lorenzo Cain (21 Brewers)- 1910, 1927, 1996, 2021
Jim Eisenreich (89 Royals)- 1959
Duke Snider (59 Dodgers)- 1989

RF- Ben Paschal (27 Yankees)- 1910, 1927
Ron Fairly (59 Dodgers)- 1959, 1989, 2021
Cedric Durst (27 Yankees)- 1996

Silver Slugger Awards
C- Pat Collins (27 Yankees)- 1910, 1959
Chief Myers (10 Giants)- 1927, 1989, 1996, 2021

1B- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- 1910, 1927, 1959, 1989, 1996
Julio Franco (96 Indians)- 2021

2B- Larry Doyle (10 Giants)- 1910, 1927, 1989, 1996, 2021
Jim Baxes (59 Dodgers)- 1959

3B- Jim Thome (96 Indians)- 1910, 1927, 1959, 1989, 1996, 2021

SS- Omar Vizquel (96 Indians)- 1910
Al Bridwell (10 Giants)- 1927
Luis Urias (21 Brewers)- 1959, 1989, 1996, 2021

LF- Fred Snodgrass (10 Giants)- 1910
Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- 1927, 1959, 1989, 1996
Albert Belle (96 Indians)- 2021

CF- Earle Combs (27 Yankees)- 1910, 1927
Duke Snider (59 Dodgers)- 1959, 1989, 1996, 2021

RF- Red Murray (10 Giants)- 1910, 1927
Danny Tartabull (89 Royals)- 1959
Manny Ramirez (96 Indians)- 1989, 1996, 2021

DH- Omar Narvaez (21 Brewers)- 1910
Brian Giles (96 Indians)- 1927, 1989, 1996
Doc Crandall (10 Giants)- 1959, 2021

Rookie of the Year
1910- Wilcy Moore (27 Yankees)- 21-13, 307.2 IP, 1.84 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 107 K, 4.3 WAR

1927- Wilcy Moore- 17-11, 255.1 IP, 2.71 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 63 K, 4.6 WAR

1959- Jim Baxes (59 Dodgers)- .254/.298/.506, 21 doubles, 5 triples, 40 HR, 83 R, 99 RBI, 1 SB, 5.8 WAR

1989- Wilcy Moore- 12-6, 198 IP, 2.18 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 127 K, 4.6 WAR

1996- Jim Baxes- .243/.303/.516, 22 doubles, 3 triples, 45 HR, 102 R, 120 RBI, 0 SB, 4.8 WAR

2021- Jim Baxes- .237/.295/.552, 20 doubles, 0 triples, 56 HR, 102 R, 136 RBI, 0 SB, 4.9 WAR

Reliever of the Year
1910- Not named

1927- Larry Sherry (59 Dodgers)- 7-7, 18 Saves, 89 IP, 2.83 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 40 K, 1.2 WAR

1959- Josh Hader (21 Brewers)- 10-7, 26 Saves, 107.1 IP, 2.01 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 72 K, 1.2 WAR

1989- Jeff Montgomery (89 Royals)- 5-6, 33 Saves, 73.1 IP, 2.45 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 62 K, 2.1 WAR

1996- Bob Shawkey (27 Yankees)- 5-4, 42 Saves, 63.2 IP, 1.70 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 57 K, 2.9 WAR

2021- Bob Shawkey- 3-3, 22 Saves, 91.1 IP, 2.86 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 112 K, 2.6 WAR

Cy Young Award
1910- Christy Mathewson (10 Giants)- 31-10, 1 Save, 372 IP, 1.96 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 162 K, 7.7 WAR

1927- Roger Craig (59 Dodgers)- 21-11, 297 IP, 2.88 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 83 K, 4.4 WHIP

1959- Waite Hoyt (27 Yankees)- 19-8, 276.1 IP, 2.80 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 166 K, 6.4 WAR

1989- Bret Saberhagen (89 Royals)- 19-9, 263.1 IP, 2.87 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 197 K, 7.4 WAR

1996- Wilcy Moore (27 Yankees)- 15-7, 225 IP, 2.36 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 144 K, 6.2 WAR

2021- Corbin Burnes (21 Brewers)- 14-10, 211.2 IP, 2.93 ERA, 1.03 WHIP, 291 K, 8.5 WAR

MVP Award
1910- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- .297/.388/.443, 45 doubles, 11 triples, 7 HR, 86 R, 90 RBI, 9 SB, 7.4 WAR

1927- Lou Gehrig- .363/.421/.579, 62 doubles, 15 triples, 14 HR, 115 R, 115 RBI, 2 SB, 7.3 WAR

1959- Lou Gehrig- .336/.445/.637, 46 doubles, 10 triples, 37 HR, 134 R, 127 RBI, 3 SB, 10.2 WAR

1989- Jim Thome (96 Indians)- .296/.424/.564, 21 doubles, 8 triples, 30 HR, 85 R, 86 RBI, 0 SB, 7.7 WAR

1996- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- .288/.425/.674, 17 doubles, 1 triple, 62 HR, 127 R, 146 RBI, 1 SB, 10.3 WAR

2021- Albert Belle (96 Indians)- .275/.373/.615, 24 doubles, 1 triple, 55 HR, 107 R, 132 RBI, 1 SB, 6.5 WAR

League Leaders

Batting Average
1910- Earle Combs (27 Yankees)- .306
1927- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- .363
1959- Lou Gehrig- .336
1989- Earle Combs- .320
1996- Julio Franco (96 Indians)- .321
2021- Earle Combs- .322

OBP
1910- Jim Thome (96 Indians)- .440
1927- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- .423
1959- Lou Gehrig- .445
1989- Jim Thome- .424
1996- Babe Ruth- .425
2021- Larry Doyle (10 Giants)- .411

SLG
1910- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- .443
1927- Lou Gehrig- .579
1959- Lou Gehrig- .637
1989- Jim Thome (96 Indians)- .564
1996- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- .674
2021- Jim Thome- .637

Doubles
1910- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- 45
1927- Lou Gehrig- 62
1959- Lou Gehrig- 46
1989- Fred Snodgrass (10 Giants)- 51
1996- Fred Merkle (10 Giants)- 63
2021- Fred Merkle- 59

Triples
1910- Earle Combs (27 Yankees)- 23
1927- Doc Crandall (10 Giants)- 21
1959- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees), Kurt Stillwell (89 Royals)- tied with 10
1989- Doc Crandall- 15
1996- Bill Pecota (89 Royals)- 10
2021- Charlie Neal (59 Dodgers)- 12

Home Runs
1910- Beals Becker (10 Giants), Danny Tartabull (89 Royals)- tied with 8
1927- Albert Belle (96 Indians)- 21
1959- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- 46
1989- Jim Thome (96 Indians)- 30
1996- Babe Ruth- 62
2021- Babe Ruth- 68

Runs
1910- Fred Snodgrass (10 Giants)- 97
1927- Red Murray (10 Giants)- 120
1959- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- 134
1989- Fred Snodgrass- 105
1996- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- 127
2021- Wally Moon (59 Dodgers)- 127

RBI
1910- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- 90
1927- Lou Gehrig, Albert Belle (96 Indians)- tied with 115
1959- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- 140
1989- Doc Crandall (10 Giants)- 110
1996- Babe Ruth- 146
2021- Doc Crandall- 143....Just realized he's actually a pitcher who DH's too

Stolen Bases
1910- Kenny Lofton (96 Indians)- 104
1927- Kenny Lofton- 62
1959- Red Murray (10 Giants)- 34
1989- Red Murray- 69
1996- Kenny Lofton- 67
2021- Red Murray- 47

Batter WAR
1910- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- 7.4
1927- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- 8.3
1959- Lou Gehrig- 10.2
1989- Jim Thome (96 Indians)- 7.7
1996- Babe Ruth- 10.3
2021- Albert Belle (96 Indians)- 6.5

Wins
1910- Christy Mathewson (10 Giants)- 31
1927- George Pipgras (27 Yankees)- 28
1959- Roger Craig (59 Dodgers), Waite Hoyt (27 Yankees), Mark Gubicza (89 Royals)- tied with 19
1989- Bret Saberhagen (89 Royals)- 19
1996- Waite Hoyt, Christy Mathewson, Wilcy Moore (27 Yankees), Herb Pennock (27 Yankees)- tied with 15
2021- Roger Craig (59 Dodgers)- 16

Saves
1910- Jeff Montgomery (89 Royals)- 14
1927- Paul Assenmacher (96 Indians)- 19
1959- Josh Hader (21 Brewers)- 26
1989- Dick Rudolph (10 Giants)- 42
1996- Dick Rudolph- 43
2021- Drew Rasmussen (21 Brewers)- 46

ERA
1910- Wilcy Moore (27 Yankees)- 1.84
1927- Drew Rasmussen (21 Brewers)- 2.63
1959- Wilcy Moore- 2.01
1989- Wilcy Moore- 2.18
1996- Wilcy Moore- 2.36
2021- Wilcy Moore- 2.50

WHIP
1910- Waite Hoyt (27 Yankees)- 1.02
1927- Eric Lauer (21 Brewers)- 1.12
1959- Roger Craig (59 Dodgers)- 1.05
1989- Freddy Peralta (21 Brewers)- .99
1996- Wilcy Moore (27 Yankees)- 1.07
2021- Wilcy Moore- .99

Strikeouts
1910- George Pipgras (27 Yankees)- 199
1927- Corbin Burnes (21 Brewers)- 109
1959- Louis Drucke (10 Giants), Mark Gubicza (89 Royals)- tied with 182
1989- Christy Mathewson (10 Giants)- 201
1996- Don Drysdale (59 Dodgers)- 210
2021- Corbin Burnes- 291

Pitcher WAR
1910- Christy Mathewson (10 Giants), Bret Saberhagen (89 Royals)- tied at 7.7
1927- Corbin Burnes (21 Brewers)- 6.9
1959- Mark Gubicza (89 Royals)- 6.9
1989- Bret Saberhagen- 7.4
1996- Wilcy Moore (27 Yankees)- 6.2
2021- Corbin Burnes- 8.5

Highlander · 07-20-2023, 06:38 PM

Here's the Group 8 results...it was a pretty close one with a 3rd team in contention at the end!

1927 Yankees- 533
1910 Giants- 527
2021 Brewers- 523
1996 Indians- 465
1959 Dodgers- 455
1989 Royals- 413

They almost blew it in the 2021 season, but the 1927 New York Yankees are the latest team to enter the Top 10 and move on to the Final Round. Pitching depth did hurt them in that season, along with both Ruth and Gehrig really struggling with contact and striking out over 300 times each. OOTP really punishes them, especially Ruth, for the number of Ks they had in their seasons so BA will suffer in many seasons, but the power plays. In any case, they only had two seasons below 90 wins, so they will be tough outside of very modern years and so far there are two of those....2011 and 2019. If they can overcome those seasons, they are clearly a contender. I have to say I was impressed with the Brewers.....they made it very close with that 99-win season at the end. The Giants I expected to be tough after the 08 team did so well, but not the Brewers.

Next up is the All Group 8 Team....this one will be tricky in some spots-

C- I guess I'll go with Chief Myers (10 Giants). No one really stood out, but he was one that seemed best.

1B- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- Pretty easy. He was on his way to an easy MVP the first couple of years, but didn't keep that level of play up. I ended up going in a different direction.

2B- This is one of the toughest choices. I'm going with Larry Doyle (10 Giants). Jim Baxes was a HUGE power guy the last few seasons, but Doyle was a much better all-around player.

3B- Jim Thome (96 Indians)- Another pretty easy one...and he was in the running for MVP as well.

SS- Luis Urias (21 Brewers)- A surprisingly easy choice. He wasn't all that great, but won multiple Gold Gloves and Silver Sluggers....so he was the best of this group!

OF- The 3 are- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees), Duke Snider (59 Dodgers) and Albert Belle (96 Indians). It's tough leaving out Manny Ramirez, but Albert had better numbers most years despite having less awards. I went with the Babe as the MVP. I could have gone with Thome or Gehrig as well, but Babe's power was massive, plus he won 4 Gold Gloves to tip the scales

DH- Doc Crandall (10 Giants)- He's actually a pitcher too, but as a hitter, he was fantastic and deserves this spot for sure.

SP- Wilcy Moore (27 Yankees) and Corbin Burnes (21 Brewers). Moore was easy as he was by far the best pitcher in the group. Burnes's spot could have gone to a few others, but he seemed to be just a hair ahead in a few areas.

RP- This is a tough one. There were some good guys in this group, but none really dominated over the others. Due to the pressure put on him from a very shallow bullpen, I'm going with Bob Shawkey (27 Yankees). He never led the league in saves, but was the only guy to win two Reliever of the Year awards.

OK, it's on to Group 9! Only two groups left before we have our complete Top 10. So far we have one team each from the 1900's, 1920's, 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, 1970's and 2 teams from the 2010's. The 2010/2020 teams are all gone, so these last two will be from less modern times. Here's the Group 9 teams-

2003 Boston Red Sox
1967 St. Louis Cardinals
1931 New York Yankees
1988 New York Mets
1903 Pittsburgh Pirates
1975 Cincinnati Reds

This is kind of the "2nd chance group". The 2003 Red Sox will actually get the first chance, with the 04 Red Sox coming up in the final group. This 03 team is a huge hitting team, but other than Pedro, the pitching is pretty rough. The 67 Cardinals are here in place of their more famous 1968 team and have a chance to join the Dodgers as the only franchise with two teams in the top 10 so far. The 1931 Yankees saw their 32 counterparts eliminated back in group 6 (and the 34 Yankees go out in group 5). This gives them a chance to redeem that era for the Yankees and get their 2nd team in. Similar to the 2003 Red Sox, though, they only have one pitcher (Lefty Gomez) who is reliable despite a huge offense. The 1988 Mets saw their 87 counterparts go out in group 4 and the more famous 86 team didn't make it here. This 88 team has a solid offense with some partial season guys that can help and terrific pitching....they have a shot. The 1903 Pirates saw their semi-counterparts from 1909 go out in round 1. They also give the Pirates their last chance to get a team in the Top 10 after coming in with the 2nd most teams in this round. They are a contender with a chance for a top offense and very good pitching. Finally, the 1975 Reds are in a unique spot of seeing their 76 counterparts already advance. It wouldn't surprise me to see two Big Red Machine teams in the top 10....but I kind of hope it doesn't happen. We have a really good variety of teams so far.....but this Reds team has a good shot to make it through.

Had to come back and say this looks like one of the toughest groups we've seen. I can honestly see the Mets, Pirates and Reds all making it though and the Red Sox and Yankees both have really good offenses. The 67 Cardinals seem like the odd team out here, but we'll see how they do.

Highlander · 07-21-2023, 12:30 PM

Win Totals

1903
1988 Mets- 97....Off to a big start
2003 Red Sox- 81....2nd, but quite a few games back
1903 Pirates.....Ditto!
1975 Reds- 79
1967 Cardinals- 75
1931 Yankees- 73

1931
1975 Reds- 87
1931 Yankees- 84.....Nice home season finish
1988 Mets- 84....Not as good as 03, but solid
1903 Pirates- 80
2003 Red Sox- 76
1967 Cardinals- 75....Back to back 75's isn't a good thing

1967
1988 Mets- 99.....Dominating in these pitching-heavy years
1903 Pirates- 83
1975 Reds- 80
1967 Cardinals- 76
1931 Yankees- 75
2003 Red Sox- 73

1975
1988 Mets- 103.....Seems clear they are a real contender
1931 Yankees- 80...Great to finish 2nd, but 23 games back
1903 Pirates- 78
1967 Cardinals- 76
2003 Red Sox- 75
1975 Reds- 74....I did not expect this at all...in their home season?

1988
1988 Mets- 92....Even the dreaded home season doesn't slow them down
1903 Pirates- 90
1967 Cardinals- 82
1931 Yankees- 77
1975 Reds- 76....Are the 76 Reds that much better or is it because of their groups?
2003 Red Sox- 69

2003
1988 Mets- 100
1931 Yankees- 88
2003 Red Sox- 84
1903 Pirates- 76
1967 Cardinals- 73
1975 Reds- 65

Award Winners

Gold Glove Awards
P- Dwight Gooden (88 Mets)- 1903
Gary Nolan (75 Reds)- 1931
Bob Gibson (67 Cardinals)- 1967
John Burkett (03 Red Sox)- 1975
Pat Darcy (75 Reds)- 1988
Lefty Gomez (31 Yankees)- 2003

C- Johnny Bench (75 Red)- 1903, 1931, 1975, 2003
Bill Dickey (31 Yankees)- 1967
Tim McCarver (67 Cardinals)- 1988

1B- Dave Magadan (88 Mets)- 1903, 1931, 1967, 1975, 2003
Shea Hillenbrand (03 Red Sox)- 1988

2B- Keith Miller (88 Mets)- 1903
Damian Jackson (03 Red Sox)- 1931, 1967, 1975, 1988, 2003

3B- Tommy Leach (03 Pirates)- 1903, 1931, 1967
Doug Flynn (75 Reds)- 1975, 1988, 2003

SS- Dal Maxvill (67 Cardinals)- 1903, 2003
Dave Concepcion (75 Reds)- 1931, 1967, 1975, 1988

LF- Lou Brock (67 Cardinals)- 1903, 1931
Babe Ruth (31 Yankees)- 1967
George Foster (75 Reds)- 1975....Guess he switched positions!
Pete Rose (75 Reds)- 1988
Fred Clarke (03 Pirates)- 2003

CF- George Foster (75 Reds)- 1903, 1931, 1967
Curt Flood (67 Cardinals)- 1975, 1988, 2003

RF- Ben Chapman (31 Yankees)- 1903, 1931, 1967, 1975, 2003
Jimmy Sebring (03 Pirates)- 1988

Silver Slugger Awards
C- Tim McCarver (67 Cardinals)- 1903, 1967, 1975
Johnny Bench (75 Reds)- 1931, 1988
Bill Dickey (31 Yankees)- 2003

1B- Orlando Cepeda (67 Cardinals)- 1903, 1967, 1975, 1988
Lou Gehrig (31 Yankees)- 1931, 2003

2B- Joe Morgan (75 Reds)- 1903, 1931, 1967, 1975, 1988, 2003

3B- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- 1903, 1931, 1967, 1975, 1988, 2003

SS- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- 1903, 1931, 1967, 1975, 1988, 2003

LF- Lou Brock (67 Cardinals)- 1903
Fred Clarke (03 Pirates)- 1931, 1967, 1988
Babe Ruth (31 Yankees)- 1975, 2003

CF- Ginger Beaumont (03 Pirates)- 1903, 1931, 1967, 1975, 1988, 2003

RF- Ben Chapman (31 Yankees)- 1903
Trot Nixon (03 Red Sox)- 1931, 1967, 2003
Darryl Strawberry (88 Mets)- 1975, 1988

DH- David Ortiz (03 Red Sox)- 1903, 2003
Ken Griffey (75 Reds)- 1931
Bobby Tolan (67 Cardinals)- 1967
Keith Hernandez (88 Mets)- 1975
Mookie Wilson (88 Mets)- 1988

Rookie of the Year...A weak bunch in this group
1903- Doug Flynn (75 Reds)- .247/.291/.327, 28 doubles, 6 triples, 0 HR, 44 R, 58 RBI, 3 SB, 2.3 WAR

1931- Doug Flynn- .246/.298/.311, 26 doubles, 1 triple, 2 HR, 49 R, 72 RBI, 0 SB, .9 WAR

1967- Jack Pfiester (03 Pirates)- 12-13, 224.2 IP, 3.53 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, 175 K, 2.8 WAR

1975- Doug Flynn- .250/.292/.333, 25 doubles, 0 triples, 6 HR, 54 R, 59 RBI, 0 SB, 1.7 WAR

1988- Kaiser Wilhelm (03 Pirates)- 15-8, 235.2 IP, 2.94 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 84 K, 3.1 WAR

2003- Jack Pfiester- 11-13, 215 IP, 4.19 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, 169 K, 5.5 WAR

Reliever of the Year
1903- None named

1931- Clay Carroll (75 Reds)- 6-8, 19 Saves, 77.1 IP, 1.63 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 18 K, 1.2 WAR

1967- Jeff Innis (88 Mets)- 10-5, 25 Saves, 116.2 IP, 1.16 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 79 K, 3.6 WAR

1975- Jeff Innis- 6-0, 35 Saves, 73 IP, 1.23 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 36 K, 2.0 WAR

1988- Jeff Innis- 11-9, 33 Saves, 89.2 IP, 2.01 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 45 SB, 2.6 WAR

2003- Tom McCarthy (88 Mets)- 8-2, 14 Saves, 56.2 IP, .95 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 19 K, 1.1 WAR

Cy Young Award
1903- Dick Hughes (67 Cardinals)- 26-15, 371.1 IP, 1.82 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 134 K, 5.3 WAR

1931- Sam Leever (03 Pirates)- 22-10, 287 IP, 2.51 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 94 K, 4.8 WAR

1967- Bob Ojeda (88 Mets)- 18-7, 276.2 IP, 2.34 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 199 K, 7.9 WAR

1975- Sid Fernandez (88 Mets)- 24-7, 240.1 IP, 2.55 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 149 K, 4.5 WAR

1988- Lefty Gomez (31 Yankees)- 15-12, 274 IP, 2.79 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 203 K, 5.4 WAR

2003- Lefty Gomez- 21-6, 239.1 IP, 3.05 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 221 K, 5.3 WAR

MVP Award
1903- Lou Brock (67 Cardinals)- .298/.333/.428, 36 doubles, 13 triples, 7 HR, 88 R, 59 RBI, 96 SB, 5.1 WAR

1931- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- .334/.389/.489, 38 doubles, 15 triples, 9 HR, 96 R, 107 RBI, 25 SB, 7.0 WAR

1967- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- .290/.346/.528, 28 doubles, 12 triples, 30 HR, 76 R, 100 RBI, 4 SB, 6.4 WAR

1975- Honus Wagner- .326/.397/.513, 34 doubles, 13 triples, 18 HR, 103 R, 86 RBI, 61 SB, 8.8 WAR

1988- Joe Morgan (75 Reds)- .300/.417/.502, 23 doubles, 2 triples, 28 HR, 114 R, 89 RBI, 46 SB, 8.3 WAR

2003- Joe Morgan- .322/.460/.547, 31 doubles, 3 triples, 27 HR, 107 R, 94 RBI, 27 SB, 9.0 WAR

League Leaders

Batting Average
1903- Curt Flood (67 Cardinals)- .331
1931- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- .334
1967- Orlando Cepeda (67 Cardinals)- .320
1975- Orlando Cepeda- .331
1988- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- .325
2003- Honus Wagner- .336

OBP
1903- Dave Magadan (88 Mets)- .380
1931- Joe Morgan (75 Reds)- .414
1967- Fred Clarke (03 Pirates)- .384
1975- Joe Morgan- .457
1988- Joe Morgan- .417
2003- Joe Morgan- .460

SLG
1903- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- .441
1931- Gregg Jefferies- .509
1967- Gregg Jefferies- .528
1975- Gregg Jefferies- .545
1988- Gregg Jefferies- .557
2003- Gregg Jefferies- .593

Doubles
1903- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- 38
1903- Fred Clarke (03 Pirates), Claude Ritchey (03 Pirates)- tied with 52
1967- Orlando Cepeda (67 Cardinals)- 39
1975- Fred Clarke, Bill Mueller (03 Red Sox)- tied with 35
1988- Honus Wagner- 42
2003- Fred Clarke- 58

Triples
1903- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- 24
1931- Gregg Jefferies- 19
1967- Earle Combs (31 Yankees), Gregg Jefferies- tied with 12
1975- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- 13
1988- Gregg Jefferies- 12
2003- Gregg Jefferies, Nomar Garciaparra (03 Red Sox)- tied with 11

Home Runs
1903- Babe Ruth (31 Yankees)- 8
1931- Lou Gehrig (31 Yankees)- 17
1967- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- 30
1975- Darryl Strawberry (88 Mets)- 35
1988- Gregg Jefferies, Joe Morgan (75 Reds)- 28
2003- Gregg Jefferies- 41

Runs
1903- Ginger Beaumont (03 Pirates)- 106
1931- Ginger Beaumont- 113
1967- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- 89
1975- Lou Brock (67 Cardinals)- 109
1988- Joe Morgan (75 Reds)- 114
2003- Ben Chapman (31 Yankees)- 123

RBI
1903- Babe Ruth (31 Yankees)- 90
1931- Fred Clarke (03 Pirates)- 109
1967- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- 100
1975- Kevin McReynolds (88 Mets)- 104
1988- George Foster (75 Reds)- 113
2003- Gregg Jefferies- 121

Stolen Bases
1903- Lou Brock (67 Cardinals)- 96
1931- Lou Brock- 37
1967- Ben Chapman (31 Yankees)- 33
1975- Lou Brock- 71
1988- Lou Brock- 68
2003- Lenny Dykstra (88 Mets)- 42

Batter WAR
1903- Curt Flood (67 Cardinals)- 5.9
1931- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- 7.0
1967- Honus Wagner- 7.4
1975- Joe Morgan (75 Reds)- 8.9
1988- Joe Morgan, Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- 8.3
2003- Joe Morgan- 9.0

Wins
1903- Sid Fernandez (88 Mets)- 28
1931- Sam Leever (03 Pirates)- 22
1967- Dwight Gooden (88 Mets), Bob Ojeda (88 Mets), Herb Pennock (31 Yankees)- tied with 18
1975- Sid Fernandez- 24
1988- David Cone (88 Mets)- 19
2003- Lefty Gomez (31 Yankees)- 21

Saves
1903- Jeff Innis (88 Mets)- 3
1931- Clay Carroll (75 Reds)- 19
1967- Jeff Innis- 25
1975- Jeff Innis- 35
1988- Ed Doheny (03 Pirates)- 37
2003- Jeff Innis- 42

ERA
1903- Dick Hughes (67 Cardinals)- 1.82
1931- Red Ruffing (31 Yankees)- 2.38
1967- Bob Ojeda (88 Mets)- 2.34
1975- Sid Fernandez (88 Mets)- 2.55
1988- Lefty Gomez (31 Yankees)- 2.79
2003- Lefty Gomez, Pedro Martinez (03 Red Sox)- tied at 3.05

WHIP
1903- Sid Fernandez (88 Mets)- .97
1931- Red Ruffing (31 Yankees)- 1.12
1967- Bob Ojeda (88 Mets)- 1.02
1975- Deacon Phillippe (03 Pirates)- 1.11
1988- Larry Jaster (67 Cardinals)- 1.07
2003- Pedro Martinez- 1.09

Strikeouts
1903- Pedro Martinez (03 Red Sox)- 193
1931- Lefty Gomez (31 Yankees)- 141
1967- Lefty Gomez- 225
1975- Lefty Gomez- 194
1988- Lefty Gomez- 203
2003- Lefty Gomez- 221

Pitcher WAR
1903- Pedro Martinez (03 Red Sox)- 8.3
1931- Pedro Martinez- 7.1
1967- Bob Ojeda (88 Mets)- 7.9
1975- Dwight Gooden (88 Mets), Bob Ojeda- tied with 6.9
1988- Bob Ojeda- 6.9
2003- Dwight Gooden- 7.9

Highlander · 07-21-2023, 05:05 PM

The Group 9 results are as follows-

1988 Mets- 575
1903 Pirates- 488
1931 Yankees- 477
1975 Reds- 461
2003 Red Sox- 458
1967 Cardinals- 457

With the most wins of any team so far in Round 3, the 1988 New York Mets are officially in the top 10 and will move on to the final round. They won 92 or more games in all but one season and won 100+ twice. Their pitching is fantastic and they will give the other teams a pretty big challenge.

Here's the All-Group 9 Team-

C- Johnny Bench (75 Reds)- He's in a close race with Tim McCarver, but Johnny hosted The Baseball Bunch on Saturday mornings and Tim McCarver was one of the most annoying announcers ever....no way this goes to Tim!

1B- Orlando Cepeda (67 Cardinals)- Someone finally knocks off Lou Gehrig in one of his seasons. Lou was pretty good in this group, but Orlando was better....even winning two batting titles.

2B- Joe Morgan (75 Reds)- Super easy choice....he was certainly in the running for MVP as well, but I went in another direction. Joe was one of the best though, for sure.

3B- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- Here's your MVP...barely over Morgan. Jefferies is a real life "partial season player" who really excels here. He led the league in slugging every year and had a number of other awards and league leader titles.....plus his team was pretty dominant and he was a big reason why.

SS- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- Honus is a close 3rd in the MVP voting. He just wasn't quite as dominant as his 1909 self in Group 1.

OF- The big 3 are- Lou Brock (67 Cardinals), Ginger Beaumont (03 Pirates) and Fred Clarke (03) Pirates. This was probably one of the weaker OF groups we've had so far. Babe Ruth didn't really live up to expectations, despite a real life .373 BA with 46 HR.

DH- Not a strong showing here either by anyone in particular, but I'll go with David Ortiz (03 Red Sox). He won a couple of Silver Sluggers as DH and no one else had more than one.

SP- The two guys I chose for the top SP were Lefty Gomez (31 Yankees) and Bob Ojeda (88 Mets). Gomez was pretty dominant throughout, so he was a pretty easy choice. There were a few Mets pitchers in contention, but Ojeda won a Cy Young and led the league in WAR 3 times, so I went with him.

RP- Jeff Innis (88 Mets)- He was terrific as another partial season guy for this Mets team.

OK- here's the final group.....Group 10-

2004 Boston Red Sox
1939 New York Yankees
1971 Baltimore Orioles
1986 California Angels
2006 New York Yankees
1999 Houston Astros

This group is a bit of a tossup for me. The 03 Red Sox didn't fare all that well, so I'm not sure if I should expect any better from the 2004 version. The Yankees as a whole haven't done well in this whole competition, especially the 1930's era teams. If one can change that however, it might be this 1939 team. A great offense led by DiMaggio and some of the best pitching I've seen on a Yankees team of this era. The 1969 Orioles are in the Top 10 already....and this team is similar with 4 20-game winners. The 86 Angels were a surprise team to get this far. Made up of a lot of stars late in their career, it will be fun to see if they have one more run in them. The 2006 Yankees already saw their 2007 counterparts eliminated and 2000's teams haven't done well so far....I don't expect much different here. Finally, the 1999 Astros are the only Astros team that made it this far. A team from the famous Bagwell/Biggio era, they have a good offense, but aside from a starter or two and Billy Wagner, the pitching probably isn't enough.

07-11-2023, 08:33 PM	#21
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Round 3- Group 1/Matchup 4 Next up is the 1943 Season. The 43 Cardinals have been one of the top two teams so far, so we'll see if their home season puts them over the top. 1961 Yankees- 65 Wins I think this officially knocks this team out of contention. Once again they led the league in HR, but were in last for Runs Scored and many other offensive categories. Pretty amazing when you think of how this team is considered as one of the biggest slugging teams of all time. Their pitching and defense were both pretty bad this time around as well. Just a bad, bad season. 2013 A's- 75 Wins The A's, after a horrible 1909 season, have settled into winning around 75 games. That isn't terrible with the group they are playing against, but it isn't going to get it done. Offense, defense and pitching were all pretty "middle of the pack". 4th in runs scored and 3rd in runs allowed leads to a season like this. 1923 Giants- 79 Wins This team has relied on offense the whole round and that continued here. They were in 2nd place with most offensive categories, but their pitching was rough. They ended up 5th in runs allowed which makes it tough to do much better than the Giants did here. 1943 Cardinals- 86 Wins Well here's a surprise! The Cardinals have been a strong team most of the way so it was expected they would excel in their own season. They had a winning record, but didn't do as well as we might think. Their pitching and defense was in 1st place almost across the board....but that offense continues to be the weak spot. When they get guys who overachieve, they will be tough, but without that....they seem vulnerable. 1909 Pirates- 86 Wins I bet this wasn't the Pirates team you expected to see here after seeing the Cardinals above. Again, 86 wins is decent, but the way this 09 team has played so far, it was fair to expect more. Most categories on both sides were around 3rd, but they had a few key ones where they excelled to give them a little edge. 1928 Pirates- 95 Wins This has to be the most surprising positive result so far. The failures of the 61 Yankees still rank higher for me, but this performance by the 28 Pirates comes close. Being first in runs scored and second in runs allowed is a sure path to success. This team has had a very good offense all along, but a pretty big uptick in pitching really made a difference. Award Winners (Stats in bold are league leaders) Gold Glove Awards P- Bartolo Colon (13 A's)....now here's a surprise! C- Frank Snyder (23 Giants) 1B- Ray Sanders (43 Cardinals) 2B- Sparky Adams (28 Pirates) 3B- Clete Boyer (61 Yankees) SS- Dave Bancroft (23 Giants) LF- Yoenis Cespedes (13 A's) CF- Coco Crisp (13 A's) RF- Stan Musial (43 Cardinals) Silver Slugger Awards C- Elston Howard (61 Yankees)- .321/.352/.413, 32 doubles, 2 triples, 4 HR, 47 R, 58 RBI, 1 SB, 5.0 WAR 1B- George Grantham (28 Pirates)- .273/.350/.340, 20 doubles, 2 triples, 5 HR, 87 R, 49 RBI, 5 SB, 2.3 WAR 2B- Dots Miller (09 Pirates)- .285/.337/.406, 39 doubles, 11 triples, 4 HR, 92 R, 66 RBI, 27 SB, 5.2 WAR 3B- Josh Donaldson (13 A's)- .265/.363/.374, 27 doubles, 7 triples, 7 HR, 60 R, 61 RBI, 3 SB, 6.4 WAR SS- Honus Wagner (09 Pirates)- .349/.438/.528, 54 doubles, 96 R, 82 RBI, 33 SB, 12.3 WAR LF- Irish Meusel (23 Giants)- .271/.318/.365, 21 doubles, 3 triples, 9 HR, 64 R, 87 RBI, 1 SB, 1.9 WAR CF- Lloyd Waner (28 Pirates)- .326/.373/.415, 24 doubles, 8 triples, 5 HR, 79 R, 70 RBI, 2 SB, 4.8 WAR RF- Stan Musial (43 Cardinals)- .315/.382/.484, 38 doubles, 16 triples, 10 HR, 75 R, 76 RBI, 1 SB, 9.4 WAR DH- Pete Scott (28 Pirates)- .270/.326/.403, 34 doubles, 5 triples, 13 HR, 79 R, 94 RBI, 0 SB, 2.8 WAR Rookie of the Year Dots Miller Reliever of the Year Winner Sean Doolittle (13 A's)- 11-6, 20 Saves, 99.2 IP, 1.81 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 29 K, 1.5 WAR Runners-Up Harry Gumbert (43 Cardinals)- 6-16, 6 Saves, 100.1 IP, 1.79 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 33 K, .9 WAR Walt Tauscher (28 Pirates)- 13-5, 25 Saves, 97.2 IP, 2.67 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, 31 K, .4 WAR Luis Arroyo (61 Yankees)- 4-8, 15 Saves, 93 IP, 2.81 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, 40 K, .8 WAR Cy Young Award Winner Howie Pollett (43 Cardinals)- 20-11, 0 Saves, 302.2 IP, 1.87 ERA, .99 WHIP, 140 K, 7.3 WAR Runners-Up Max Lanier (43 Cardinals)- 12-9, 0 Saves, 215.2 IP, 2.13 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, 117 K, 5.1 WAR Harry Brecheen (43 Cardinals)- 19-9, 0 Saves, 286 IP, 2.42 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 131 K, 5.1 WAR Mort Cooper (43 Cardinals)- 18-12, 0 Saves, 279 IP, 2.61 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 149 K, 7.2 WAR Al Brazle (43 Cardinals)- 11-14, 0 Saves, 285 IP, 2.46 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 87 K, 5.4 WAR Babe Adams (09 Pirates)- 17-15, 0 Saves, 288.2 IP, 2.93 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 123 K, 7.3 WAR MVP Award Winner Honus Wagner Runners-Up Stan Musial Ross Youngs (23 Giants)- .328/.401/.440, 39 doubles, 8 triples, 4 HR, 92 R, 62 RBI, 15 SB, 5.7 WAR Howie Pollett Lloyd Waner Paul Waner (28 Pirates)- .321/.411/.437, 39 doubles, 11 triples, 2 HR, 90 R, 71 RBI, 1 SB, 5.3 WAR Tommy Leach (09 Pirates)- .242/.332/.410, 28 doubles, 6 triples, 18 HR, 69 R, 111 RBI, 22 SB, 5.7 WAR Elston Howard Mickey Mantle (61 Yankees)- .240/.401/.381, 19 doubles, 7 triples, 13 HR, 79 R, 45 RBI, 5 SB, 6.1 WAR....45 RBI for Mickey Mantle? Wow. Josh Donaldson Dave Bancroft Dots Miller Harry Brecheen Misc. Notes and Stats 1961 Yankees - The Maris/Mantle HR race has been a non-starter in most seasons, but none more than this one. We saw Mantle's total of just 13 above....Maris hit only 5! Johnny Blanchard came though again, though, as he hit a league high 21. - Danny McDevitt only pitched 31.1 innings, but maybe he should have pitched more. He gave up just 1 ER in those innings for a microscopic .29 ERA. 2013 A's - Nothing else of note. 1923 Giants - After a .401 season in 1928, Jack Bentley still had a good season, but just outside of any award consideration. He hit .313/.338/.409, 31 doubles, 6 triples, 5 HR, 60 R, 90 RBI, 0 SB and 3.6 WAR. Since that 1909 season, his pitching numbers have been pretty poor. - Rube Walberg didn't get any votes for the Reliever Award, but he did put up 22 saves and appeared in a league high 72 games. 1943 Cardinals - I have to mention how they had 5 pitchers get votes for the Cy Young Award...including the winner. That's what makes this team such a tough contender for the overall championship. - Coaker Triplett was back down to Earth with a .210 BA....but he did hit 9 HR and drive in 66, which isn't bad. 1909 Pirates - Chief Wilson broke his 100 RBI streak this season. He was only able to drive in 72. - Somehow, Chick Brandom was left out of the Reliever voting. He went 9-2 with 8 Saves in 50.2 IP with 1.60 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 17 K and .5 WAR. - Unless I'm mistaken, Honus Wagner's 12.3 WAR is the highest we've seen so far. 1928 Pirates - A big reason for the success of this team was the big season by a pitcher who hasn't been mentioned yet, Carmen Hill. He's been pretty mediocre in all the other season, but helped by a .228 BABIP, he really came through. He was tied for the league lead in wins with a 20-8 record in 263.2 IP, 2.73 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 97 K and 1.8 WAR. __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

07-12-2023, 11:21 AM	#22
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Round 3- Group 1/Matchup 5 We move on to the 1961 season! 1928 Pirates- 59 Wins From first to worst! The 61 season was not good to the 28 Pirates as they couldn't even put together 60 wins on the season. Their pitching was pretty much the worst in every category and they scored only the 5th most runs....not a good combination. 2013 A's- 73 Wins 5th and 6th place is where we've seen this A's team finish most every season so far. They were never a major contender to move on, but hopefully they can make a decent showing in their home season. Here, they were 4th in both runs scored and allowed.....and middle of the pack in most other categories. They just don't have enough players that can really put up the numbers needed in a competition like this. 1923 Giants- 77 Wins This team has only hit 80+ wins once, but never dropped below the 77 they got here. As usual, they had a top two offense and a bottom 2 pitching staff. If their pitching had just been a little better, we may have seen them become contenders to move on. It's not looking good for them, though. 1961 Yankees- 83 Wins Well, they didn't win their season, but at least they had a winning record. This Yankees team has really underperformed in most every season. Their 249 HR led all teams, but their embarrassingly low 9 SB was easily the worst total of any team. They finished at 3rd in runs scored. Runs allowed was also 3rd, so their pitching was a little better in their home season.....just not good enough. 1909 Pirates- 88 Wins This has really become a two team race between this Pirates team and the 43 Cardinals. This season they were 1st in runs scored and second in runs allowed....a familiar combination for them. Steals were again a strength as well, with a league high 179. 1943 Cardinals- 106 Wins Wow. Best performance yet for any team....and the Cardinals may have cemented their place in the next round, depending on what happens in the final season. Their offense was near the bottom....they actually scored the least number of runs of any team. But, their pitching is just so good that it doesn't matter. At least not with this group of teams. If they do make it to the final round, we will see if the offensive woes catch up to them. Award Winners (Stats in bold are league leaders) Gold Glove Awards P- Carmen Hill (28 Pirates) C- George Gibson (09 Pirates) 1B- George Kelly (23 Giants) 2B- Eric Sogard (13 A's) 3B- Clete Boyer (61 Yankees) SS- Marty Marion (43 Cardinals) LF- Yoenis Cespedes (13 A's) CF- Bill Cunningham (23 Giants) RF- Roger Maris (61 Yankees) Silver Slugger Awards C- Elston Howard (61 Yankees)- .315/.359/.513, 18 doubles, 1 triple, 27 HR, 73 R, 72 RBI, 0 SB, 5.5 WAR 1B- Ray Sanders (43 Cardinals)- .274/.382/.442, 20 doubles, 6 triples, 20 HR, 68 R, 79 RBI, 0 SB, 3.2 WAR 2B- Frankie Frisch (23 Giants)- .321/.379/.471, 27 doubles, 6 triples, 19 HR, 119 R, 72 RBI, 20 SB, 6.3 WAR 3B- Josh Donaldson (13 A's)- .264/.355/.415, 19 doubles, 6 triples, 19 HR, 82 R, 83 RBI, 0 SB, 4.0 WAR SS- Honus Wagner (09 Pirates)- .342/.432/.536, 56 doubles, 6 triples, 15 HR, 100 R, 115 RBI, 29 SB, 9.1 WAR LF- Casey Stengel (23 Giants)- .334/.403/.554, 20 doubles, 5 triples, 17 HR, 65 R, 68 RBI, 2 SB, 4.9 WAR CF- Mickey Mantle (61 Yankees)- .247/.401/.493, 14 doubles, 2 triples, 37 HR, 100 R, 99 RBI, 2 SB, 6.2 WAR RF- Paul Waner (28 Pirates)- .338/.424/.536, 40 doubles, 12 triples, 17 HR, 96 R, 83 RBI, 1 SB, 6.8 WAR DH- Johnny Blanchard (61 Yankees)- .275/.331/.536, 19 doubles, 2 triples, 47 HR, 104 R, 101 RBI, 0 SB, 4.3 WAR Rookie of the Year Al Brazle (43 Cardinals)- 19-7, 243.1 IP, 1.96 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 138 K, 7.2 WAR Reliever of the Year Winner Harry Gumbert (43 Cardinals)- 21-6, 26 Saves, 165.2 IP, 1.63 ERA, .88 WHIP, 94 K, 4.5 WAR...also a league leading 79 games, all in relief Runners-Up Sean Doolittle (13 A's)- 11-7, 24 Saves, 115.1 IP, 2.03 ERA, .97 WHIP, 64 K, 3.4 WAR Chick Brandom (09 Pirates)- 6-7, 16 Saves, 70 IP, 2.44 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, 52 K, 2.4 WAR Hal Reniff (61 Yankees)- 6-1, 9 Saves, 78.1 IP, 2.64 ERA, 1.39 WHIP, 30 K, -.2 WAR Luis Arroyo (61 Yankees)- 14-14, 17 Saves, 106 IP, 3.99 ERA, 1.50 WHIP, 63 K, 1.9 WAR Cy Young Award Winner Howie Pollett (43 Cardinals)- 19-8, 278.2 IP, 2.10 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 211 K, 9.1 WAR Runners-Up Babe Adams (09 Pirates)- 19-10, 288.2 IP, 2.12 ERA, .98 WHIP, 194 K, 7.7 WAR Al Brazle Harry Gumbert Howie Camnitz (09 Pirates)- 18-11, 267.2 IP, 2.96 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 164 K, 5.1 WAR Rosy Ryan (23 Giants)- 17-5, 211.1 IP, 2.73 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 146 K, 5.3 WAR MVP Award Winner Honus Wagner Runners-Up Frankie Frisch Paul Waner Roger Maris (61 Yankees)- .263/.385/.508, 15 doubles, 2 triples, 41 HR, 113 R, 75 RBI, 0 SB, 7.2 WAR Stan Musial (43 Cardinals)- .330/.402/.531, 42 doubles, 9 triples, 19 HR, 85 R, 98 RBI, 3 SB, 6.4 WAR Howie Pollett Johnny Blanchard Elston Howard Brandon Moss (13 A's)- .271/.345/.561, 19 doubles, 4 triples, 45 HR, 106 R, 110 RBI, 2 SB, 4.5 WAR Mickey Mantle Babe Adams Al Brazle Harry Gumbert Casey Stengel Misc. Stats and Notes 1928 Pirates - Nothing additional of note 2013 A's - Dan Otero had a 1.58 WHIP out of the bullpen in 71.2 IP, but somehow turned that into an ERA of 2.13. He induced just 5 double plays, so that wasn't what got him out of most of the jams he must have been in. 1923 Giants - Jack Bentley had a much quieter season at .310 with 10 HR....looking like that .400 season won't be challenged again by him unless he really surprises by doing it in the 2013 season - We saw Rosy Ryan's name pop up in the Cy Young voting. he had a nice 2.73 ERA....no other starter on the team had lower than 4.66! - Art Nehf wasn't in the reliever award discussion, but he went 10-3 with 7 saves in 72 IP with a 3.25 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, 44 K and .7 WAR. 1961 Yankees - In addition to the HR numbers we've already seen from Mantle, Maris, Blanchard and Howard, the Yankees also got 33 HR from Yogi Berra and 26 from Lee Thomas. Bill Skowron hit 12 off the bench in part time duty. 1909 Pirates - Tommy Leach kept his streak alive with another 100+ RBI season, with 101. He also hit 22 HR and scored 97 runs on his own. 1943 Cardinals - I have to bring up that season by Harry Gumbert again....21 wins and 26 saves in 165.2 IP solely out of the bullpen is pretty impressive. Add in the league leading ERA and WHIP into the equation and I would have given him the Cy Young.....and more votes in the MVP voting as well. Not many pitchers have a hand in 47 of their teams victories. He also had the league leading BABIP at .184, so there was a little luck involved in this season as well! - Coaker Triplett, the wildcard for this team's offense, contributed pretty well this season. He only hit .247, but had 24 HR and 88 RBI. That's production they will need to contend if they make the next round. __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

07-12-2023, 10:06 PM	#23
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Round 3- Group 1/Matchup 6 It's the final season for Group 1....2013 1928 Pirates- 64 Wins A rough end of the competition for this Pirates team as they go from 95 wins three seasons ago to 59 and 64 in the final two. Any time you are last in runs allowed, it's going to be a tough season.....and this time the offense wasn't all that great for them either. This team was a longshot from the beginning, so the fact they had a season with 95 wins and won't finish in last overall for this group speaks well for them. 1923 Giants- 68 Wins This team went from a high of 85 wins in the first season to a low here....with great consistency in the middle, having 77-79 wins each of the middle 4 years. They consistently had one of the better offenses...they were 3rd even in this, their worst season. However, pitching was usually pretty rough....especially this season. 1961 Yankees- 76 Wins I thought the more modern era may suit this team better with all of their power. While this was far from their worst season, it still wasn't what some may have expected from this team. Once again, they led the league in HR....and this time in SLG, but still managed to finish 5th in runs scored. A .296 team OBP is a major reason for that! On the pitching side, they were pretty much in the middle, but the inability to get guys on base and move them along (11 SB for the whole team!) is a major issue that this team was never able to overcome. 2013 A's- 84 Wins This team finally got their winning season and made a decent showing in their home season as well. Even 184 wins wouldn't have let them advance, but it was good to see them have some success. They actually finished 2nd in runs scored and runs allowed, so it's hard to tell what else they could have done to do better. 1909 Pirates- 94 Wins This was the most consistently good team in this group, as they finished between 86-95 wins in every season they played. Never a losing record and never lower than 2nd place. They had the best offense and scored the most runs this season....pretty impressive playing over 100 years after the team actually existed! Their pitching was solid too as they were 3rd in runs allowed. It's going to be close (if you haven't been doing the math all along, anyway!), but if they don't advance, it will be kind of a shame to lose this team. 1943 Cardinals- 100 Wins The only team to win 100+ games in this group and they did it twice. They did have a losing season as well, however. It's down to this team and the 09 Pirates for the team that moves on. It is so hard to imagine this team being as successful as they are....once again they scored the fewest runs of any team in the league, but they also gave up the lowest by a LOT. The Cardinals gave up 454 runs....the second team, the A's, gave up 589. That's how good this pitching staff has been. If they are the ones to advance, it is going to be interesting how they perform against the cream of the crop. Award Winners (stats in bold are league leaders) Gold Glove Awards P- Carmen Hill (28 Pirates) C- George Gibson (09 Pirates) 1B- Ray Sanders (43 Cardinals) 2B- Lou Klein (43 Cardinals) 3B- Clete Boyer (61 Yankees)....Congrats to him for winning all 6 Gold Gloves in this group SS- Marty Marion (43 Cardinals) LF- Yoenis Cespedes (13 A's) CF- Coco Crisp (13 A's) RF- Chief Wilson (09 Pirates) Silver Slugger Awards C- Elston Howard (61 Yankees)- .289/.320/.444, 15 doubles, 2 triples, 19 HR, 51 R, 52 RBI, 0 SB, 3.4 WAR 1B- Joe Harris (28 Pirates)- .243/.343/.379, 36 doubles, 3 triples, 9 HR, 55 R, 64 RBI, 0 SB, .9 WAR.....amazing how weak 1B was in this group in all seasons 2B- Frankie Frisch (23 Giants)- .311/.367/.457, 41 doubles, 4 triples, 14 HR, 93 R, 54 RBI, 24 SB, 6.1 WAR 3B- Josh Donaldson (13 A's)- .270/.350/.481, 27 doubles, 4 triples, 28 HR, 84 R, 103 RBI, 1 SB, 6.7 WAR.....Congrats to Josh for winning all 6 SS Awards SS- Honus Wagner (09 Pirates)- .309/.421/.554, 51 doubles, 8 triples, 23 HR, 111 R, 111 RBI, 55 SB, 10.6 WAR LF- Fred Clarke (09 Pirates)- .296/.398/.431, 32 doubles, 6 triples, 12 HR, 95 R, 56 RBI, 40 SB, 7.1 WAR CF- Stan Musial (43 Cardinals)- .351/.425/.528, 50 doubles, 6 triples, 13 HR, 94 R, 70 RBI, 6 SB, 7.6 WAR RF -Paul Waner (28 Pirates)- .290/.377/.421, 43 doubles, 4 triples, 8 HR, 72 R, 62 RBI, 0 SB, 4.8 WAR DH- Jack Bentley (23 Giants)- .349/.383/.457, 46 doubles, 2 triples, 5 HR, 61 R, 80 RBI, 0 SB, 3.6 WAR Rookie of the Year Al Brazle (43 Cardinals)- 15-8, 226.2 IP, 2.38 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 146 K, 6.3 WAR...also only gave up 2 HR all season. That's what makes this whole 43 Cardinals staff so tough, they rarely give up HR. Reliever of the Year Winner Harry Gumbert (43 Cardinals)- 11-2, 39 Saves, 83 IP, 1.19 ERA, .89 WHIP, 64 K, 1.5 WAR Runners-Up Luis Arroyo (61 Yankees)- 3-5, 38 Saves, 67 IP, 2.01 ERA, .87 WHIP, 62 K, .7 WAR Sean Doolittle (13 A's)- 2-6, 33 Saves, 58.1 IP, 1.85 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 50 K, 1.6 WAR Hal Reniff (61 Yankees)- 6-1, 5 Saves, 77 IP, 1.64 ERA, 1.35 WHIP, 50 K, -.5 WAR Chick Brandom (09 Pirates)- 4-6, 42 Saves, 61.1 IP, 2.49 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 64 K, 1.9 WAR Cy Young Award Winner Babe Adams (09 Pirates)- 22-2, 251 IP, 2.12 ERA, .96 WHIP, 225 K, 7.1 WAR Runners-Up Max Lanier (43 Cardinals)- 20-7, 224.2 IP, 2.08 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 258 K, 7.8 WAR Mort Cooper (43 Cardinals)- 15-13, 236.2 IP, 2.21 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 257 K, 8.4 WAR Harry Gumbert Harry Brecheen (43 Cardinals)- 13-8, 208.1 IP, 2.68 ERA, .97 WHIP, 205 K, 6.4 WAR Howie Pollett (43 Cardinals)- 8-12, 221 IP, 2.69 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 248 K, 7.4 WAR Al Brazle MVP Award Winner Honus Wagner Runners-Up Stan Musial Josh Donaldson Babe Adams Fred Clarke Mickey Mantle (61 Yankees)- .255/.358/.514, 15 doubles, 1 triple, 41 HR, 86 R, 103 RBI, 3 SB, 6.3 WAR Frankie Frisch Roger Maris (61 Yankees)- .228/.337/.448, 11 doubles, 2 triples, 37 HR, 90 R, 67 RBI, 0 SB, 5.7 WAR Max Lanier Mort Cooper Jack Bentley Johnny Blanchard (61 Yankees)- .250/.302/.463, 15 doubles, 1 triple, 37 HR, 77 R, 78 RBI, 0 SB, 2.9 WAR Coco Crisp (13 A's)- .250/.328/.413, 22 doubles, 3 triples, 23 HR, 87 R, 70 RBI, 30 SB, 6.0 WAR Brandon Moss (13 A's)- .220/.313/.479, 14 doubles, 4 triples, 40 HR, 78 R, 92 RBI, 2 SB, 3.5 WAR...also led the league with a whopping 245 Ks! Misc. Stats and Notes 1928 Pirates - Joe Dawson led the league in games pitched with 79. He went 4-2 with 1 save and a 2.53 ERA and 1.07 WHIP in 85.1 IP. 1923 Giants -Dinty Gearin was not the closer, but he went 8-3 with 1 save in 75.1 IP and had a 2.99 ERA. - Dave Bancroft got a few mentions through the reports for this group. One thing he was consistent with was hitting doubles. He came up with 53 for this season. 1961 Yankees - It's still amazing how this team could hit so many HR but score so few runs. Besides a lack of speed and steals, you may have noticed the paltry number of doubles and triples they hit throughout the seasons as well. That was another big reason for their struggles for sure. - Whitey Ford deserves a mention here with a pretty nice season. He did get a Cy Young vote, but went 11-9 in 189.1 IP and had a 2.52 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 196 K and 3.9 WAR. If it weren't for pretty much the whole 43 Cardinals staff getting votes, The Chairman may have snuck in there with a few. 2013 A's - I picked on Bartolo Colon a few times, so I have to give him credit here. Like Whitey Ford above, Bartolo may have gotten a few votes himself if it weren't for the dominance of the Cardinals pitchers. Big Sexy was 17-10 in 209.2 IP with a 2.79 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 135 K and 3.3 WAR....he also led the league in fewest BB/9 at 1.3. 1909 Pirates - Tommy Leach ended his 100+ RBI season streak in this final season.....with 99 RBI!! Tommy didn't get a lot of love in the Awards section, but was one of the most consistent run producers in this group. 1943 Cardinals -Our old friend Coaker Triplett saved his best for last in this 2013 season. He hit just .248, but had 29 HR and 89 RBI to lead the team in both categories. - OK, I have to mention one more time how incredible this team's pitching has been. Not one HOFer in the group either...as least as far as I know. They just performed really well in a pitching friendly year and it seems to carry over no matter the year in which they pitch. OK- that wraps up Group 1! I'll do a quick recap in the post to reveal (again, feel free to do your own math!) the team that moves on. Then, we'll get the first look at the teams that will battle it out in Group 2. __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

07-13-2023, 10:33 AM	#24
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 1 Recap/Group 2 Introduction Here are the final results from Group One- 1943 Cardinals- 561 Wins 1909 Pirates- 540 Wins 1923 Giants- 465 Wins 1928 Pirates- 458 Wins 1961 Yankees- 446 Wins 2013 A's- 446 Wins So, it is the 1943 St. Louis Cardinals that become the first team into the Top 10. The 1909 Pirates made it interesting, but the two 100+ win seasons for the Cardinals at the end broke it open. They are a VERY strong pitching team, so any teams that are going to challenge them will need to have top notch pitching themselves along with a pretty solid offense. It's hard to make predictions now, but once we get a few more teams to advance, we'll have a better picture of how this 43 Cardinals team will do. Before we move on to Group 2, I thought I'd name my All-Group One Team. C- Elston Howard (61 Yankees)- He and Walker Cooper split the Silver Slugger awards, but Howard's numbers seemed stronger overall. 1B- Ray Sanders (43 Cardinals)- First base was one of the weakest positions in this group, but Sanders ended up winning many of the Gold Gloves and Silver Sluggers, so he gets the nod here. 2B- Frankie Frisch (23 Giants)- Pretty easy call here. Dots Miller was a solid player throughout, but Frankie put up some big numbers. He was in the MVP running a few times and won most of the Silver Sluggers. 3B- Josh Donaldson (13 A's)- The other weak position in this group was definitely 3rd base. Clete Boyer won all of the Gold Gloves, but Donaldson was a solid fielder as well and won every Silver Slugger. SS- Honus Wagner (09 Pirates)- Probably the easiest call of all. I think most would agree that Honus was the MVP of the Group and put up the best numbers overall. He was a regular Gold Glove winner, Silver Slugger winner and won a few season MVPs. OF- I'm just going with the top 3 guys here...not necessarily by the spot they played. With that in mind, I think the top 3 outfielders were- Stan Musial (43 Cardinals), Fred Clarke (09 Pirates) and Paul Waner (28 Pirates). Mickey Mantle is right in the mix, as well as a couple of others, but these 3....especially Musial.....seemed to be the most consistent. DH- Jack Bentley (23 Giants)- Anyone who hits .401 in a season deserves recognition, but he was a very good to great hitter every season. Pretty easy choice here. Johnny Blanchard deserves mention for all his HR, though. SP- I'll go with 2 SP here- Howie Pollett (43 Cardinals) and Babe Adams (09 Pirates). Howie was probably the best overall, but Babe was right up there and had an incredible season in 2013 that might put him on top. The whole Cardinals pitching staff could be considered, but I'll go with these two. RP- Harry Gumbert (43 Cardinals)- Bullpens weren't much of a factor in the early seasons, but once they were, Gumbert was dominant. His 1961 season will be tough for a pitcher from any group to beat. Sean Doolittle of the A's deserves some mention, but he just wasn't at the same level as Gumbert. Finally, here's a look at the teams that will square off in Group 2- 1912 Boston Red Sox 1972 Cincinnati Reds 1953 Brooklyn Dodgers 2016 Chicago Cubs 1991 Pittsburgh Pirates 2022 St. Louis Cardinals Quite a group! At first glance, the 53 Dodgers and 72 Reds stand out, but anything could happen. I may try a different way of reporting the results so it is less time consuming. I may combine the seasons together and give a summary of everything that happened in one post instead of multiple ones. We'll see how it goes! __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

07-13-2023, 03:27 PM	#25
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 2 Results I'm going to try combining all of the results for a round into one post. Hopefully it will give a flavor of what happened without taking me so long to compile everything. Win Totals 1912 1953 Dodgers- 93....one of my early favorites off to a strong start 1972 Reds- 87 2022 Cardinals- 87....this team is a darkhorse, but could be tough 1991 Pirates- 79 2016 Cubs- 74 1912 Red Sox- 66.....not good to start right off by having the worst record in your home season 1953 1953 Dodgers- 90.....two top finishes to start things off 1991 Pirates- 86.....a bit of a surprise with this 2nd place finish 1912 Red Sox- 80.....a nice bounce back from their home season 2022 Cardinals- 79 2016 Cubs- 76.....two near-bottom finishes could make it hard on them 1972 Reds- 75.....didn't expect them to finish last! 1972 2022 Cardinals- 90.....this will shake things up a bit 2016 Cubs- 88.....if they get better as the years go on, they could still be in it 1953 Dodgers- 87.....3rd place, but only 3 wins away- they are still the favorites for me 1912 Red Sox- 79 1991 Pirates- 77....they will need a bounce back in their home season to get back in this 1972 Reds- 65.....who thought they'd get blown out in their home season? 1991 2022 Cardinals- 90......this gives them a definite chance to advance 1991 Pirates- 87.....these guys are still in it and could advance with one big season 2016 Cubs- 86....still hanging around 1972 Reds- 81.....thinking they are out of it, definitely underperforming from what I thought 1953 Dodgers- 71.....this season really hurts them, they need a big finish 1912 Red Sox- 71.....almost certainly out of it, but have had some great individual performances along the way 2016 1953 Dodgers- 89.....looking like they are trying to finish big? 1912 Red Sox- 88......best season yet 1991 Pirates- 84.....hanging around, but is it enough? 2016 Cubs- 83....barely a winning record in their home season 2022 Cardinals- 73.....this hurts them a lot 1972 Reds- 69.....never thought they'd be the one team I knew was out of it at this point 2022 1953 Dodgers- 94.....that might have done it! 2016 Cubs- 87....solid comeback 1991 Pirates- 83 2022 Cardinals- 82 1972 Reds- 73 1912 Red Sox- 67 Award Winners- Gold Glove Award P- John Smiley (91 Pirates)- 1912 Jake Arrieta (16 Cubs)- 1953 Russ Meyer (53 Dodgers)- 1972 Billy Loes (53 Dodgers)- 1991 Randy Tomlin (91 Pirates)- 2016 Zane Smith (91 Pirates)- 2022 C- Johnny Bench (72 Reds)- 1912, 1991 Roy Campanella (53 Dodgers)- 1953, 1972 Mike LaValliere (91 Pirates)- 2016, 2022 1B- Anthony Rizzo (16 Cubs)- 1912, 1972 Gil Hodges (53 Dodgers)- 1953, 2016 Tony Perez (72 Reds)- 1991 Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals)- 2022 2B- Javier Baez (16 Cubs)- 1912, 1953, 2016 Jackie Robinson (53 Dodgers)- 1972, 1991, 2022 3B- Kris Bryant (16 Cubs)- 1912 Denis Menke (72 Reds)- 1953 Bobby Bonilla (91 Pirates)- 1972 Larry Gardner (12 Red Sox)- 1991 Nolan Arenado (22 Cardinals)- 2016, 2022 SS- Tommy Edman (22 Cardinals)- 1912, 1953, 1972, 1991, 2016, 2022 LF- Pete Rose (72 Reds)- 1912, 1953, 1991 Don Thompson (53 Dodgers)- 1972, 2016, 2022 CF- Harrison Bader (22 Cardinals)- 1912, 1953, 1991, 2022 Duke Snider (53 Dodgers)- 1972 Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- 2016 RF- Jason Heyward (16 Cubs)- 1912, 1972, 2016, 2022 Bernie Carbo (72 Reds)- 1953 Gary Varsho (91 Pirates)- 1991 Silver Slugger Awards C- Mike LaValliere (91 Pirates)- 1912 Roy Campanella (53 Dodgers)- 1953, 2022 Johnny Bench (72 Reds)- 1972, 1991, 2016 1B- Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals)- 1912, 1953, 1972, 2016, 2022 Gil Hodges (53 Dodgers)- 1991 2B- Joe Morgan (72 Reds)- 1912 Jackie Robinson (53 Dodgers)- 1953, 1972, 1991, 2016, 2022 3B- Larry Gardner (12 Red Sox)- 1912, 1991 Kris Bryant (16 Cubs)- 1953, 2022 Bobby Bonilla (91 Pirates)- 1972 Nolan Arenado (22 Cardinals)- 2016 SS- Tommy Edman (22 Cardinals)- 1912, 1972, 1991, 2016, 2022 Addison Russell (16 Cubs)- 1953 LF- Barry Bonds (91 Pirates)- 1912, 1972, 1991, 2016 Pete Rose (72 Reds)- 1953, 2022 CF- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- 1912, 1953, 1972, 1991, 2016, 2022 RF- Carl Furillo (53 Dodgers)- 1912, 1953, 1972, 2016, 2022 Gary Varsho (91 Pirates)- 1991 DH- Jim Gilliam (53 Dodgers)- 1912, 1972 Albert Pujols (22 Cardinals)- 1953, 2016, 2022 Jake Stahl (12 Red Sox)- 1991 Rookie of the Year 1912- Brendan Donovan (22 Cardinals)- .271/.366/.333, 24 doubles, 4 triples, 1 HR, 75 R, 45 RBI, 4 SB, 4.8 WAR 1953- Brendan Donovan- .298/.381/.369, 22 doubles, 4 triples, 4 HR, 88 R, 38 RBI, 0 SB, 4.0 WAR 1972- Brendan Donovan- .280/.353/.363, 27 doubles, 2 triples, 7 HR, 82 R, 51 RBI, 0 SB, 6.2 WAR 1991- Brendan Donovan- .286/.380/.374, 19 doubles, 4 triples, 8 HR, 71 R, 51 RBI, 1 SB, 5.7 WAR 2016- Willson Contreras (16 Cubs)- .288/.357/.499, 28 doubles, 2 triples, 22 HR, 70 R, 73 RBI, 1 SB, 3.6 WAR 2022- Willson Contreras- .264/.324/.466, 15 doubles, 1 triple, 26 HR, 53 R, 52 RBI, 1 SB, 1.8 WAR Reliever of the Year 1912- Ryan Helsley (22 Cardinals)- 3-8, 17 Saves, 67 IP, 2.01 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 33 K, -.8 WAR 1953- Rob Zastryzny (16 Cubs)- 4-5, 20 Saves, 84.1 IP, 2.24 ERA, 1.42 WHIP, 37 K, 1.6 WAR 1972- Ryan Helsley- 15-6, 25 Saves, 130.2 IP, 1.72 ERA, .99 WHIP, 96 K, 3.0 WAR 1991- Ryan Helsley- 10-6, 42 Saves, 97 IP, 1.95 ERA, .88 WHIP, 77 K, 1.3 WAR 2016- Charley Hall (12 Red Sox)- 9-9, 30 Saves, 122.2 IP, 3.23 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, 139 K, 2.3 WAR 2022- Ryan Helsley- 5-4, 37 Saves, 74 IP, 1.46 ERA, .72 WHIP, 94 K, 1.6 WAR Cy Young Award 1912- Ralph Branca (53 Dodgers)- 22-14, 337.2 IP, 2.37 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 160 K, 3.8 WAR 1953- Joe Wood (12 Red Sox)- 17-15, 292 IP, 3.24 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 161 K, 8.2 WAR 1972- Joe Wood- 18-9, 283.2 IP, 2.79 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 253 K, 9.3 WAR 1991- Jon Lester (16 Cubs)- 19-12, 229.2 IP, 2.74 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 172 K, 3.9 WAR 2016- Joe Wood- 21-4, 239.1 IP, 2.33 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, 311 K, 8.4 WAR 2022- Joe Wood- 12-13, 231 IP, 3.19 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 276 K, 7.1 WAR MVP Award 1912- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- .328/.418/.427, 25 doubles, 7 triples, 5 HR, 88 R, 90 RBI, 120 SB, 7.4 WAR 1953- Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals)- .347/.421/.539, 30 doubles, 1 triple, 28 HR, 92 R, 107 RBI, 0 SB, 7.0 WAR 1972- Tris Speaker- .316/.405/.467, 35 doubles 6 triples, 13 HR, 89 R, 84 RBI, 41 SB, 7.6 WAR 1991- Tris Speaker- .326/.407/.526, 40 doubles, 3 triples, 23 HR, 98 R, 104 RBI, 79 SB, 8.9 WAR 2016- Tris Speaker- .367/.451/.689, 57 doubles, 7 triples, 38 HR, 112 R, 119 RBI, 47 SB, 12.0 WAR 2022- Albert Pujols (22 Cardinals)- .287/.356/.585, 20 doubles, 0 triples, 53 HR, 95 R, 113 RBI, 0 SB, 5.7 WAR League Leaders Batting Average 1912- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- .328 1953- Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals)- .347 1972- Tris Speaker- .316 1991- Tris Speaker- .326 2016- Tris Speaker- .367 2022- Carl Furillo (53 Dodgers)- .328 OBP 1912- Joe Morgan (72 Reds)- .422 1953- Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals)- .421 1972- Tris Speaker- .405 1991- Tris Speaker- .407 2016- Tris Speaker- .451 2022- Jackie Robinson (53 Dodgers)- .404 SLG 1912- Larry Gardner (12 Red Sox)- .444 1953- Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals)- .539 1972- Nolan Arenado (22 Cardinals)- .487 1991- Tris Speaker- .526 2016- Tris Speaker- .689 2022- Albert Pujols (22 Cardinals)- .585 Doubles 1912- Jake Stahl (12 Red Sox)- 42 1953- Carl Furillo (53 Dodgers)- 46 1972- Carl Furillo- 45 1991- Gary Varsho (91 Pirates)- 45 2016- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- 57 2022- Tris Speaker- 49 Triples 1912- Larry Gardner (12 Red Sox)- 22 1953- Pete Rose (72 Reds)- 16 1972- Jim Gilliam (53 Dodgers)- 12 1991- Dexter Fowler (16 Cubs)- 15 2016- Jim Gilliam- 10 2022- Pete Rose- 11 Home Runs 1912- Barry Bonds (91 Pirates), Roy Campanella (53 Dodgers), Tommy Edman (22 Cardinals), Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals), Lloyd McClendon (91 Pirates), Tony Perez (72 Reds)- all tied with 8 1953- Lloyd McClendon and Albert Pujols (22 Cardinals)- tied with 33 1972- Nolan Arenado (22 Cardinals)- 30 1991- Albert Pujols- 34 2016- Paul Goldschmidt- 48 2022- Albert Pujols-53 Runs 1912- Joe Morgan (72 Reds)- 100 1953- Jackie Robinson (53 Dodgers)- 116 1972- Jake Stahl (12 Red Sox)- 99 1991- Jake Stahl- 109 2016- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- 112 2022- Jackie Robinson- 104 RBI 1912- Tony Perez (72 Reds)- 91 1953- Carl Furillo (53 Dodgers)- 117 1972- Nolan Arenado (22 Cardinals) and Lloyd McClendon (91 Pirates)- tied with 104 1991- Tris Speaker- 104 2016- Tris Speaker- 119 2022- Hal McRae (72 Reds)- 116 Stolen Bases 1912- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- 120 1953- Jake Stahl (12 Red Sox)- 25 1972- Jake Stahl- 44 1991- Tris Speaker- 79 2016- Tris Speaker- 47 2022- Jake Stahl- 54 Batter WAR 1912- Tommy Edman (22 Cardinals)- 7.9 1953- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox)- 7.5 1972- Bobby Bonilla (91 Pirates)- 8.2 1991- Tris Speaker- 8.9 2016- Tris Speaker- 12.0 2022- Jackie Robinson (53 Dodgers)- 8.9 Wins 1912- Carl Erskine (53 Dodgers) and Adam Wainwright (22 Cardinals)- tied with 23 1953- Ralph Branca (53 Dodgers) and Jon Lester (16 Cubs)- tied with 19 1972- Kyle Hendricks (16 Cubs)- 19 1991- Jon Lester (16 Cubs)- 19 2016- Joe Wood (12 Red Sox)- 21 2022- Russ Meyer (53 Dodgers) and Zane Smith (91 Pirates)- tied with 15 Saves 1912- Ryan Helsley (22 Cardinals)- 17 1953- Rob Zastryzny (16 Cubs)- 20 1972- Rob Zastryzny- 26 1991- Tom Hall (72 Reds)- 43 2016- Charley Hall (12 Red Sox) and Zane Smith (91 Pirates)- 30 2022- Bob Milliken (53 Dodgers)- 38 ERA 1912- Ralph Branca (53 Dodgers)- 2.37 1953- Randy Tomlin (91 Pirates)- 3.05 1972- Jake Arrieta (16 Cubs)- 2.55 1991- Miles Mikolas (22 Cardinals)- 2.73 2016- Joe Wood (12 Red Sox)- 2.33 2022- Zane Smith (91 Pirates)- 2.70 WHIP 1912- Gary Nolan (72 Reds)- 1.15 1953- Miles Mikolas (22 Cardinals)- 1.27 1972- Miles Mikolas- 1.02 1991- Miles Mikolas- .99 2016- Joe Wood (12 Red Sox)- 1.00 2022- Ralph Branca (53 Dodgers) and Zane Smith (91 Pirates)- tied at 1.04 Strikeouts 1912- Joe Wood (12 Red Sox)- 197 1953- Carl Erskine (53 Dodgers)- 178 1972- Joe Wood- 253 1991- Joe Wood- 226 2016- Joe Wood- 311 2022- Joe Wood- 276 Pitcher WAR 1912- Preacher Roe (53 Dodgers)- 7.1 1953- Joe Wood (12 Red Sox)- 8.2 1972- Joe Wood- 9.3 1991- Joe Wood- 5.8 2016- Joe Wood- 8.4 2022- Joe Wood- 7.1 __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879 Last edited by Highlander; 07-13-2023 at 03:30 PM.

07-13-2023, 03:54 PM	#26
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 2 Recap/Group 3 Introduction Group 2 has finished their seasons and here are the win totals so we can see who moves on- 1953 Dodgers- 524 2022 Cardinals- 501 1991 Pirates- 496 2016 Cubs- 494 1912 Red Sox- 451 1972 Reds- 450 The 1953 Brooklyn Dodgers are the 2nd team to advance to the top 10. They were a favorite of mine right from the start and now they are in the finals. Even though they ended up with 23 more wins than the second place Cardinals, it was still a pretty close race to the end. Seeing this team go up against the 43 Cardinals will be very interesting. Their pitching is solid....and deep. They also have the type of offense that could be tough on any pitching staff- Snider, Hodges, Robinson, Furillo....the names go on. Plus we have 8 more teams to go! Here's my All-Group 2 Team- C- Johnny Bench (72 Reds) just barely ekes out Roy Campanella....Roy hit 45 HR in the 2022 season, though, which makes this decision tough. 1B- Paul Goldschmidt (22 Cardinals)- Paul dominated the Slugger awards and put up some huge numbers. Plus he won an MVP in the 1953 season. 2B- Jackie Robinson (53 Dodgers)- I thought Joe Morgan might be in this spot (he has other chances coming), but Jackie was terrific. 3B- Larry Gardner (12 Red Sox)- He wins for me by a hair over Arenado and Bryant. Lots of good 3B in this group, but Larry was incredible in those early years and stayed solid the rest of the way. SS- Tommy Edman (22 Cardinals)- Won every Gold Glove and all but one of the Silver Slugger awards. Who would have predicted him being the dominant SS in this group? OF- Tris Speaker (12 Red Sox), Carl Furillo (53 Dodgers), Barry Bonds (91 Pirates)- Speaker gets the Group MVP award from me as he was the most dominant player the whole way. His season in 2016 was just unbelievable. Furillo was a 5-time Silver Slugger winner and had some league leader spots as well. Bonds just gets in ahead of Pete Rose who also had a very good series of seasons. DH- Albert Pujols (22 Cardinals)- Albert, in his real life final season, was spectacular....even winning an MVP Award with 53 HR. SP- Joe Wood (12 Red Sox), Ralph Branca (53 Dodgers)- Wood was THE dominant pitcher of Group 2 and any number of guys could be paired with him, but Branca seemed to be the best of the bunch by a small margin. RP- Ryan Helsley (22 Cardinals)- He wasn't always the best reliever for every season, but the ones where he was, he was dominant....especially that 2022 season. Alright....on to Group 3! Here's the teams we have to look forward to in this matchup- 1937 New York Giants 1992 Atlanta Braves 2014 Los Angeles Dodgers 1969 Baltimore Orioles 1957 Milwaukee Braves 1907 Chicago Cubs Lots of eras represented there! Sitting here now, I can't say one thing about the 37 Giants...so who knows where they finish. The Braves will be tough. They have pitching and the hitting of Chipper, Justice, etc will be very good, I think. The 14 Dodgers will be a very tough out as well. If I remember correctly, that was the version of Clayton Kershaw that was the best pitcher I saw in round 2. The 69 Orioles are another really good team with pitching, defense and Frank Robinson on offense. If they get enough other hitting from some of the "defense-first" guys, they will be in the mix. The 57 Braves have some great players....Aaron (of course), Eddie Mathews and Warren Spahn. Will they have enough to compete in this group? The 1907 Cubs were the bye team from round 1, so they were not tested in round 2....especially their pitching depth. If they have enough pitchers, they could be the best of this group. If they don't, they could be the worst team we see. __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

07-14-2023, 11:10 AM	#27
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 3 Results I'm going to stick with the same format I used with Group 2.....here we go! Win Totals 1907 1907 Cubs- 99.....Coming out of the gate in a huge way in their home season...we'll see if they can sustain this 1969 Orioles- 80 2014 Dodgers- 79 1992 Braves- 78 1937 Giants- 77 1957 Braves- 73....Pretty bunched up after the Cubs...no idea who is a real contender 1937 1992 Braves- 88 1969 Orioles- 86....Not dominant, but 2 2nd place finishes 2014 Dodgers- 84 1937 Giants- 78.....So many teams don't really do much in their own season 1907 Cubs- 77.....Big drop is worrisome for them 1957 Braves- 73.....Consistent, but not in a good way. 1957 1969 Orioles- 90.....Might be the front runners now 1992 Braves- 84 1907 Cubs- 84.....Nice to see them recover a little 2014 Dodgers- 82.....Not too bad- probably keeps them in it 1957 Braves- 81....5th place, but no many wins behind 1937 Giants- 65....Hard to recover from a season like this 1969 2014 Dodgers- 90....This thing is still wide open 1969 Orioles- 83....Pretty consistent, but not a sure thing at all 1992 Braves- 80....Need a 90+ season to really have a chance 1907 Cubs- 79....That 99-win first season keeps them alive 1937 Giants- 77.....Probably too far back at this point 1957 Braves- 77.....Also too far back now, but can be a spoiler for sure 1992 1907 Cubs- 89....Didn't expect this...pitching depth not coming into play for them, I guess 1957 Braves- 84 1969 Orioles- 84 2014 Dodgers- 83 1992 Braves- 79....Very surprised with this, but I shouldn't be since it's happened a lot 1937 Giants- 67....Toast 2014 1992 Braves- 95.....Back in it! 2014 Dodgers- 90....Better than many do in their home season 1969 Orioles- 85....Consistency, but is it enough 1937 Giants- 78 1907 Cubs- 76 1957 Braves- 62 Award Winners Gold Glove Awards P-Jim Palmer (69 Orioles)- 1907 Jack Pfiester (07 Cubs)- 1937 Gene Conley (57 Braves)- 1957 Zack Greinke (14 Dodgers)- 1969 Charlie Leibrandt (92 Braves)- 1992 John Smoltz (92 Braves)- 2014 C-Johnny Kling (07 Cubs)- 1907, 1937, 1957, 1969 AJ Ellis (14 Dodgers)- 1992, 2014 1B-Frank Chance (07 Cubs)- 1907 Sid Bream (92 Braves)- 1937, 1957, 1969, 1992 Adrian Gonzalez (14 Dodgers)- 2014 2B- Danny O'Connell (57 Braves)- 1907, 1957, 1992, 2014 Johnny Evers (07 Cubs)- 1937, 1969 3B- Terry Pendleton (92 Braves)- 1907 Brooks Robinson (69 Orioles)- 1937, 1969, 1992, 2014 Bill Sweeney (07 Cubs)- 1957 SS- Joe Tinker (07 Cubs)- 1907, 1957, 1969, 2014 Mark Belanger (69 Orioles)- 1937 Dick Bartell (37 Giants)- 1992 LF- Ron Gant (92 Braves)- 1907, 1969 Chuck Tanner (57 Braves)- 1937 Jimmy Sheckard (07 Cubs)- 1957 Scott VanSlyke (14 Dodgers)- 1992, 2014 CF- Hank Aaron (57 Braves)- 1907, 2014 Jimmy Ripple (37 Giants)- 1937 Paul Blair (69 Orioles)- 1957, 1992 Yasiel Puig (14 Dodgers)- 1969 RF-Matt Kemp (14 Dodgers)- 1907, 1937, 1969, 1992 Mel Ott (37 Giants)- 1957 David Justice (92 Braves)- 2014 Silver Slugger Awards C- Johnny Kling (07 Cubs)- 1907, 1937, 1992, 2014 Harry Danning (37 Giants)- 1957, 1969 1B- Frank Chance (07 Cubs)- 1907, 1937, 1992 Boog Powell (69 Orioles)- 1957, 2014 Adrian Gonzalez (14 Dodgers)- 1969 2B- Dee Gordon (14 Dodgers)- 1907, 1937, 1957, 1969, 1992 Davey Johnson (69 Orioles)- 2014 3B- Justin Turner (14 Dodgers)- 1907, 1937 Terry Pendleton (92 Braves)- 1957 Eddie Mathews (57 Braves)- 1969, 1992, 2014 SS- Hanley Ramirez (14 Dodgers)- 1907 Jeff Blauser (92 Braves)- 1937, 1957, 1969, 1992 Dick Bartell (37 Giants)- 2014 LF- Scott Van Slyke (14 Dodgers)- 1907, 1937, 1957, 1969, 1992, 2014 CF- Solly Hemus (07 Cubs)- 1907 Hank Aaron (57 Braves)- 1937, 1957, 2014 Yasiel Puig (14 Dodgers)- 1969, 1992 RF- Bob Hazle (57 Braves)- 1907, 1937, 1957, 1969, 1992, 2014 DH- Deion Sanders (92 Braves)- 1907, 1937 Carl Crawford (14 Dodgers)- 1957 Don Buford (69 Orioles)- 1969 Wes Covington (57 Braves)- 1992, 2014 Rookie of the Year 1907- Bill Sweeney (07 Cubs)- .277/.319/.297, 10 doubles, 0 triples, 0 HR, 47 R, 64 RBI, 44 SB, 3.3 WAR 1937- Cliff Melton (37 Giants)- 10-19, 280.1 IP, 4.21 ERA, 1.47 WHIP, 138 K, 6.0 WAR....Seems like a weak rookie crop in this group 1957- Cliff Melton- 10-20, 258.1 IP, 3.59 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 157 K, 4.5 WAR 1969- Cliff Melton- 18-11, 264 IP, 2.76 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 226 K, 7.1 WAR....I disparaged the rookies earlier, but this was a great season for him 1992- Don McMahon (57 Braves)- 4-11, 36 Saves, 78.2 IP, 3.09 ERA, 1.56 WHIP, 52 K, .8 WAR 2014- Cliff Melton- 14-12, 222.2 IP, 3.52 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 242 K, 4.8 WHIP Reliever of the Year 1907- None named 1937- David Nied (92 Braves)- 10-7, 15 Saves, 81.2 IP, 2.87 ERA, 1.62 WHIP, 44 K, 1.1 WAR 1957- Don McMahon (57 Braves)- 10-5, 23 Saves, 91.1 IP, 2.27 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, 52 K, 1.8 WAR 1969- Mark Wohlers (92 Braves)- 14-6, 21 Saves, 1.73 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 46 K, 2.2 WAR 1992- Ray Crone (57 Braves)- 3-7, 1 Save, 62.2 IP, 2.15 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, .9 WAR 2014- Dick Hall (69 Orioles)- 4-6, 37 Saves, 62 IP, 1.45 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, 46 K, 2.1 WAR Cy Young Award 1907- Mordecai Brown (07 Cubs)- 26-14, 358.1 IP, 1.91 ERA, .94 WHIP, 165 K, 8.2 WAR 1937- Clayton Kershaw (14 Dodgers)- 16-12, 288.2 IP, 3.40 ERA, 1.21 WHIP, 144 K, 7.2 WAR 1957- Carl Lundgren (07 Cubs)- 18-14, 292 IP, 2.77 ERA, 1.33 WHIP, 170 K, 4.1 WAR 1969- Clayton Kershaw- 16-11, 279.1 IP, 2.64 ERA, 1.03 WHIP, 221 K, 7.7 WAR 1992- Clayton Kershaw- 18-10, 259.1 IP, 2.85 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 198 K, 6.1 WAR 2014- Carl Lundgren- 15-7, 248 IP, 2.25 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 235 K, 4.0 WAR MVP Award 1907- Bob Hazle (57 Braves)- .373/.426/.492, 42 doubles, 7 triples, 6 HR, 85 R, 65 RBI, 4 SB, 8.2 WAR....his .403 BA with 7 HR in 134 real life AB is going to make him a force in this group 1937- Bob Hazle- .391/.445/.585, 45 doubles, 5 triples, 22 HR, 112 R, 107 RBI, 3 SB, 7.4 WAR 1957- Bob Hazle- .361/.418/.575, 38 doubles, 4 triples, 29 HR, 114 R, 84 RBI, 1 SB, 8.0 WAR 1969- Bob Hazle- .353/.426/.571, 39 doubles, 2 triples, 31 HR, 111 R, 74 RBI, 8.2 WAR 1992- Bob Hazle- .310/.369/.480, 34 doubles, 1 triple, 24 HR, 102 R, 81 RBI, 4 SB, 5.2 WAR 2014- Boog Powell (69 Orioles)- .316/.370/.584, 33 doubles, 1 triple, 43 HR, 104 R, 125 RBI, 0 SB, 6.7 WAR League Leaders Batting Average 1907- Bob Hazle (57 Braves)- .373 1937- Bob Hazle- .391 1957- Bob Hazle- .361 1969- Bob Hazle- .353 1992- Jimmy Ripple (37 Giants)- .318 2014- Bob Hazle- .321 OBP 1907- Bob Hazle (57 Braves)- .426 1937- Bob Hazle- .445 1957- Bob Hazle- .418 1969- Bob Hazle- .426 1992- Frank Chance (07 Cubs)- .408 2014- Bob Hazle- .379 SLG 1907- Bob Hazle (57 Braves)- .492 1937- Bob Hazle- .585 1957- Bob Hazle- .575 1969- Bob Hazle- .571 1992- Wes Covington (57 Braves)- .496 2014- Boog Powell (69 Orioles)- .584 Doubles 1907- Bob Hazle (57 Braves)- 42 1937- Harry Steinfeldt (07 Cubs)- 48 1957- Bob Hazle- 38 1969- Davey Johnson (69 Orioles)- 40 1992- Jimmy Ripple (37 Giants)- 53 2014- Dick Bartell (37 Giants)- 48 Triples 1907- Deion Sanders (92 Braves)- 45....yes you read that right! The next closest was Dee Gordon with 24, then a few in the teens 1937- Deion Sanders- 38....Gordon had 29, then more normal totals...Neon Deion would have been a terror back then! 1957- Deion Sanders- 26...Gordon with 22 1969- Dee Gordon (14 Dodgers)- 15....Deion only with 13 1992- Deion Sanders- 14.....Dee with 14 2014- Deion Sanders- 18....Gordon with only 5 Home Runs 1907- Mel Ott (37 Giants)- 8 1937- Boog Powell (69 Orioles)- 24 1957- Hank Aaron (57 Braves)- 37 1969- Adrian Gonzalez (14 Dodgers)- 35 1992- Wes Covington (57 Braves)- 34 2014- Boog Powell- 43 Runs 1907- Frank Chance (07 Cubs)- 91 1937- Don Buford (69 Orioles)- 126 1957- Bob Hazle (57 Braves), Dee Gordon (14 Dodgers)- tied with 114 1969- Bob Hazle- 111 1992- Dee Gordon (14 Dodgers)- 110 2014- Boog Powell (69 Orioles)- 104 RBI 1907- Terry Pendleton (92 Braves), Justin Turner (14 Dodgers)- tied at 72 1937- Matt Kemp (14 Dodgers)- 130 1957- Boog Powell (69 Orioles)- 124 1969- Adrian Gonzalez (14 Dodgers), Scott Van Slyke (14 Dodgers)- 101 1992- Wes Covington (57 Braves), Matt Kemp- tied with 106 2014- Boog Powell- 125 Stolen Bases 1907- Dee Gordon (14 Dodgers)- 101 1937- Dee Gordon- 48 1957- Dee Gordon, Deion Sanders (92 Braves)- tied with 33 1969- Dee Gordon- 70 1992- Dee Gordon- 88 2014- Johnny Evers (07 Cubs)- 52 Batter WAR 1907- Bob Hazle (57 Braves)- 8.2 1937- Justin Turner (14 Dodgers)- 7.6 1957- Bob Hazle- 8.0 1969- Bob Hazle- 8.2 1992- Scott Van Slyke (14 Dodgers)- 5.9 2014- Boog Powell (69 Orioles)- 6.7 Wins 1907- Jim Palmer (69 Orioles)- 30 1937- Jim Palmer, Freddie Fitzsimmons (37 Giants), Carl Hubbell (37 Giants)- all tied with 19 1957- Mike Cuellar (69 Orioles)- 19 1969- Cliff Melton (37 Giants), Hyun-Jin Ryu (14 Dodgers)- 18 1992- Clayton Kershaw (14 Dodgers), Carl Lundgren (07 Cubs)- tied with 18 2014- John Smoltz (92 Braves)- 16 Saves 1907- Don McMahon (57 Braves)- 3 1937- Eddie Watt (69 Orioles)- 16 1957- Dick Hall (69 Orioles)- 31 1969- Mark Wohlers (92 Braves)- 21 1992- Chick Fraser (07 Cubs)- 38 2014- Dick Hall, Kenley Jansen (14 Dodgers)- tied with 37 ERA 1907- Mordecai Brown (07 Cubs)- 1.91 1937- Charlie Leibrandt (92 Braves)- 3.35 1957- Carl Lundgren (07 Cubs)- 2.77 1969- Carl Lundgren- 2.34 1992- Clayton Kershaw (14 Dodgers)- 2.85 2014- Carl Lundgren- 2.25 WHIP 1907- Mordecai Brown (07 Cubs)- .94 1937- Clayton Kershaw (14 Dodgers)- 1.21 1957- Warren Spahn (57 Braves)- 1.14 1969- Clayton Kershaw- 1.03 1992- Mordecai Brown, Charlie Leibrabnt (92 Braves)- tied at 1.10 2014- Slick Castleman (37 Giants)- 1.01 Strikeouts 1907- Clayton Kershaw (14 Dodgers)- 177 1937- Clayton Kershaw- 144 1957- Mordecai Brown (07 Cubs)- 184 1969- Cliff Melton- 226 1992- Clayton Kershaw- 198 2014- Clayton Kershaw- 259 Pitcher WAR 1907- Mordecai Brown (07 Cubs)- 8.2 1937- Clayton Kershaw (14 Dodgers)- 7.2 1957- Clayton Kershaw- 6.5 1969- Clayton Kershaw- 7.7 1992- Clayton Kershaw- 6.1 2014- Clayton Kershaw- 7.6 __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

07-14-2023, 11:36 AM	#28
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 3 Recap/Group 4 Introduction Here are the final totals for Group 3 to see who moves on....this was the closest group yet- 2014 Dodgers- 508 1969 Orioles- 508 1992 Braves- 504 1907 Cubs- 504 1957 Braves- 450 1937 Giants- 442 Yes....we have a tie! The next step was to do a two season playoff between the 14 Dodgers and 69 Orioles, one in each of their seasons. Here's the results of that- 1969 2014 Dodgers- 85 1969 Orioles- 77 2014 1969 Orioles- 92 2014 Dodgers- 70 That means the 1969 Baltimore Orioles move on to the final round as part of the Top 10. It was a long road, with two extra seasons needed, so they really earned it. That also gives us a team from the 40's, 50's and 60's.....it sure would be cool to see all ten teams represent different decades, but I'm sure there will be some repeats as we go along. I thought it would come down to this team , the Dodgers and the 92 Braves and that was pretty much the case....except the 07 Cubs kept up a better fight than I thought and they were right in it too. Finally, a look at the teams we will see in Group 4- 1998 New York Yankees 1987 New York Mets 1963 Minnesota Twins 1976 Cincinnati Reds 1979 Montreal Expos 2012 Atlanta Braves This will be the last chance for the Braves to move on and the only chance for the Twins. The 98 Yankees are one of the winningest teams of the last 100 years or so, but they never have the look of one of the best ever. This will tell us a lot. The Mets are, on paper, not as good as the 86 version that didn't make it here.....but they have pitching in spades and could surprise. The Twins have a few "partial season" guys who may tip the scales....but we saw with Bob Hazel in Group 3 that it isn't a guarantee. Still, they may be a dark horse to win this The Reds have to be one of the favorites here. Their 72 counterparts didn't not fare well, but this team is better all around...and they have potentially the best player in the group with Joe Morgan. The Expos were a surprise to get here and this could be where they get "Expos"ed! Finally, the Braves are a solid team....but I see them as more middle of the pack in this group. __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

07-17-2023, 01:56 PM	#29
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 4 Results This group is a little different with the earliest team from 1963....we'll see how that might change things- Win Totals 1963 1976 Reds- 88....The Big Red Machine starting off well 1963 Twins- 84.....A solid start in their home season 1998 Yankees- 82.....Only 6 wins behind the leader 1979 Expos- 81....Not a bad start for them either 2012 Braves- 76 1987 Mets- 75.....Not much learned here as there's only 13 wins between 1st and last 1976 1976 Reds- 96....Owning their home season as many have not 2012 Braves- 86.....10 games better than last season 1963 Twins- 81 1979 Expos- 76 1998 Yankees- 74....This really hurts their chances against the Reds 1987 Mets- 73....Seeming like they are not contenders at all 1979 1976 Reds- 88....Looking like they will be tough to beat! 2012 Braves- 87.....Kind of a surprise, but partial season pitchers driving them 1998 Yankees- 82.....I kind of expected this, but hoped I was wrong 1979 Expos- 80....Kind of impressed with how well this team has done 1963 Twins- 77 1987 Mets- 72....Probably the nail in their coffin 1987 1976 Reds- 102....I'll finish the last two seasons, but I think we already know the winner 1998 Yankees- 86 2012 Braves- 78 1979 Expos- 75 1987 Mets- 73....Not a good showing in the home season 1963 Twins- 72 1998 1976 Reds- 96....Ho hum 1998 Yankees- 93....Nice showing in their home season, but still not enough 2012 Braves- 86 1963 Twins- 76 1987 Mets- 72 1979 Expos- 63....Yuck 2012 1976 Reds- 91....Not much suspense here- never less than 88 wins 2012 Braves- 88....A very good showing overall thanks to Medlen and Beachy 1987 Mets- 82....Their only winning season! 1998 Yankees- 81....Disappointing results for the Yankees again 1963 Twins- 79 1979 Expos- 65...Really struggled these last two seasons Award Winners Gold Glove Awards P- Mike Minor (12 Braves)- 1963, 1979 John Mitchell (87 Mets)- 1976 Brandon Beachy (12 Braves)- 1987 Jim Roland (63 Twins)- 1998 Kris Medlen (12 Braves)- 2012 C- Johnny Bench (76 Reds)- 1963, 1976, 1979, 1987, 1998, 2012 1B- Tony Perez (76 Reds)- 1963, 1976, 1987 Don Mincher (63 Twins)- 1979 Vic Power (63 Twins)- 1998, 2012 2B- Homer Bush (98 Yankees)- 1963, 1979, 2012 Johnny Goryl (63 Twins)- 1976, 1987 Rodney Scott (79 Expos)- 1998 3B- Scott Brosius (98 Yankees)- 1963, 1987, 2012 Howard Johnson (87 Mets)- 1976, 1979, 1998 SS- Andrelton Simmons (12 Braves)- 1963, 1976, 1979, 1987, 1998, 2012 LF- Warren Cromartie (79 Expos)- 1963, 1976, 1979, 1987, 2012 Martin Prado (12 Braves)- 1998 CF- Jimmie Hall (63 Twins)- 1963, 1987 Michael Bourn (12 Braves)- 1976, 1979, 1998 Lenny Dykstra- (87 Mets)- 2012 RF-Jason Heyward (12 Braves)- 1963, 1979, 1998, 2012 Bob Allison (63 Twins)- 1976 Paul O'Neill (98 Yankees)- 1987 Silver Slugger Awards C- Earl Battey (63 Twins)- 1963, 1987, 2012 Johnny Bench (76 Reds)- 1976, 1998 Gary Carter (79 Expos)- 1979 1B- Tony Perez (76 Reds)- 1963, 1976, 1998 Lee Mazzilli (87 Mets)- 1979 Shane Spencer (98 Yankees)- 1987, 2012 2B- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- 1963, 1976, 1979, 1987, 1998, 2012 3B- Scott Brosius (98 Yankees)- 1963 Pete Rose (76 Reds)- 1976, 1987 Chipper Jones (12 Braves)- 1979, 1998 Larry Parrish (79 Expos)- 2012 SS- Derek Jeter (98 Yankees)- 1963, 1976, 1979, 1987, 2012 Andrelton Simmons (12 Braves)- 1998 LF- Harmon Killebrew (63 Twins)- 1963, 2012 Bob Bailey (76 Reds)- 1976, 1979, 1987, 1998 CF- Bernie Williams (98 Yankees)- 1963, 1979, 1987 George Foster (76 Reds)- 1976, 1998 Michael Bourn (12 Braves)- 2012 RF- Bob Allison (63 Twins)- 1963, 1976, 1979 Darryl Strawberry (87 Mets)- 1987, 2012 Ken Griffey (76 Reds)- 1998 DH- Don Mincher (63 Twins)- 1963, 1987 Dan Driessen (76 Reds)- 1976 Dave Magadan (87 Mets)- 1979, 1998 Dave Cash (79 Expos)- 2012 Rookie of the Year 1963- Shane Spencer (98 Yankees)- .265/.318/.418, 29 doubles, 3 triples, 19 HR, 68 R, 77 RBI, 1 SB, 1.6 WAR 1976- Andrelton Simmons (12 Braves)- .281/.336/.354, 24 doubles, 4 triples, 3 HR, 55 R, 68 RBI, 0 SB, 7.2 WAR....he also had an incredible 31.4 Zone Rating at SS. Dave Concepcion was 2nd at 9.3. 1979- Andrelton Simmons- .282/.325/.398, 23 doubles, 7 triples, 10 HR, 59 R, 83 RBI, 0 SB, 4.0 WAR 1987- Shane Spencer- .310/.366/.560, 37 doubles, 1 triple, 39 HR, 107 R, 150 RBI, 7 SB, 4.4 WAR 1998- Andrelton Simmons- .318/.366/.462, 31 doubles, 11 triples, 11 HR, 65 R, 92 RBI, 1 SB, 6.8 WAR 2012- Andrelton Simmons- .263/.307/.389, 36 doubles, 7 triples, 7 HR, 64 R, 68 RBI, 0 SB, 5.7 WAR Reliever of the Year 1963- Craig Kimbrel (12 Braves)- 10-7, 20 Saves, 87.2 IP, 2.26 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 78 K, 2.9 WAR 1976- Craig Kimbrel- 7-9, 35 Saves, 90.2 IP, 2.18 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 78 K, 3.0 WAR 1979- Craig Kimbrel- 4-6, 39 Saves, 79.2 IP, 2.71 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, 56 K, 1.2 WAR 1987- Bill Atkinson (79 Expos)- 8-7, 33 Saves, 89 IP, 1.42 ERA, 1.01 WHIP, 35 K, 2.0 WAR 1998- Craig Kimbrel- 5-3, 41 Saves, 69 IP, 1.43 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 75 K, 2.5 WAR 2012- Elias Sosa (79 Expos)- 1-3, 6 Saves, 65.2 IP, 1.23 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 53 K, 1.4 WAR Cy Young Award 1963- Brandon Beachy (12 Braves)- 18-8, 272 IP, 2.55 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 175 K, 3.8 WAR 1976- Brandon Beachy- 14-12, 276.2 IP, 2.21 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 142 K, 3.9 WAR 1979- Brandon Beachy- 19-10, 279.1 IP, 2.71 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 143 K, 3.7 WAR 1987- Pat Zachry (76 Reds)- 19-9, 256.2 IP, 3.82 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 207 K, 6.2 WAR 1998- Kris Medlen (12 Braves)- 11-10, 181 IP, 2.44 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 136 K, 6.4 WAR 2012- Kris Medlen- 19-8, 202.1 IP, 2.58 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 167 K, 5.9 WAR MVP Award 1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- .332/.449/.571, 27 doubles, 9 triples, 29 HR, 102 R, 114 RBI, 54 SB, 9.6 WAR 1976- Joe Morgan- .259/.397/.406, 23 doubles, 3 triples, 17 HR, 86 R, 90 RBI, 60 SB, 5.3 WAR 1979- Bernie Williams (98 Yankees)- .345/.389/.551, 31 doubles, 13 triples, 24 HR, 89 R, 113 RBI, 22 SB, 6.9 WAR 1987- Joe Morgan- .331/.463/.604, 36 doubles, 9 triples, 31 HR, 131 R, 121 RBI, 78 SB, 8.5 WAR 1998- Joe Morgan- .291/.414/.515, 37 doubles, 7 triples, 25 HR, 121 R, 112 RBI, 71 SB, 6.1 WAR 2012- Joe Morgan- .306/.420/.525, 41 doubles, 7 triples, 23 HR, 103 R, 100 RBI, 75 SB, 8.9 WAR League Leaders Batting Average 1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- .332 1976- Derek Jeter (98 Yankees)- .315 1979- Bernie Williams (98 Yankees)- .345 1987- Ken Griffey (76 Reds)- .339 1998- Dave Magadan (87 Mets)- .329 2012- Joe Morgan- .306 OBP 1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- .449 1976- Joe Morgan- .397 1979- Chipper Jones (12 Braves)- .419 1987- Joe Morgan- .463 1998- Joe Morgan- .419 2012- Joe Morgan- .420 SLG 1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- .571 1976- George Foster (76 Reds)- .459 1979- Bob Bailey (76 Reds)- .558 1987- Joe Morgan- .604 1998- Bob Bailey- .591 2012- Joe Morgan- .525 Doubles 1963- Lenny Dykstra (87 Mets)- 36 1976- Tim Teufel (87 Mets)- 40 1979- Larry Parrish (79 Expos)- 45 1987- Tim Teufel- 48 1998- Dave Magadan (87 Mets)- 55 2012- Tim Teufel- 60 Triples 1963- Dave Concepcion (76 Reds)- 10 1976- Michael Bourn (12 Braves)- 15 1979- Bernie Williams (98 Yankees)- 13 1987- Johnny Goryl (63 Twins)- 11 1998- Zoilo Versalles (63 Twins)- 12 2012- Derek Jeter (98 Yankees)- 13 Home Runs 1963- Harmon Killebrew (63 Twins)- 34 1976- George Foster (76 Reds)- 20....not sure why power was so down? 1979- Bob Bailey (76 Reds)- 30 1987- Bernie Williams (98 Yankees)- 41 1998- George Foster- 42 2012- Shane Spencer (98 Yankees)- 36 Runs 1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds), Ken Griffey (76 Reds)- tied at 102 1976- Michael Bourn (12 Braves)- 101 1979- Joe Morgan, Derek Jeter (98 Yankees)- 108 1987- Joe Morgan- 131 1998- Joe Morgan- 121 2012- Joe Morgan- 103 RBI 1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- 114 1976- George Foster (76 Reds)- 110 1979- Bernie Williams (98 Yankees)- 113 1987- Shane Spencer (98 Yankees)- 150 1998- George Foster- 155 2012- Shane Spencer- 102 Stolen Bases 1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- 54 1976- Joe Morgan- 60 1979- Joe Morgan- 70 1987- Joe Morgan- 78 1998- Joe Morgan- 71 2012- Joe Morgan- 75 Batter WAR 1963- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- 9.6 1976- Andrelton Simmons (12 Braves)- 7.2 1979- Bob Allison (63 Twins)- 7.6 1987- Joe Morgan- 8.5 1998- Andrelton Simmons- 6.8 2012- Joe Morgan- 8.9 Wins 1963- Gary Nolan (76 Reds), Dwight Siebler (63 Twins)- tied with 19 1976- Fred Norman (76 Reds)- 21 1979- Brandon Beachy (12 Braves), Hideki Irabu (98 Yankees), Gary Nolan, Fred Norman, Camilo Pascual (63 Twins)- all tied with 19 1987- Don Gullett (76 Reds), Pat Zachry (76 Reds)- tied with 19 1998- Brandon Beachy- 19 2012- Kris Medlen- 19 Saves 1963- Rawley Eastwick (76 Reds)- 25 1976- Craig Kimbrel (12 Braves)- 35 1979- Craig Kimbrel- 39 1987- Manny Sarmiento (76 Reds)- 38 1998- Craig Kimbrel- 41 2012- Craig Kimbrel- 40 ERA 1963- Kris Medlen (12 Braves)- 2.46 1976- Brandon Beachy (12 Braves)- 2.21 1979- Brandon Beachy- 2.71 1987- Kris Medlen- 3.09 1998- Kris Medlen- 2.44 2012- Kris Medlen- 2.58 WHIP 1963- Dwight Siebler (63 Twins)- 1.08 1976- Brandon Beachy (12 Braves), Dwight Siebler- tied at 1.05 1979- Brandon Beachy, Camilo Pascual (63 Twins)- 1.17 1987- Kris Medlen (12 Braves)- 1.09 1998- Kris Medlen- 1.02 2012- Lee Stange (63 Twins)- 1.01 Strikeouts 1963- Dwight Gooden (87 Mets)- 212 1976- Fred Norman (76 Reds)- 169 1979- Sid Fernandez (87 Mets), Pat Zachry (76 Reds)- 166 1987- Dwight Gooden- 220 1998- Pat Zachry- 220 2012- Scott Sanderson (79 Expos)- 230 Pitcher WAR 1963- Pat Zachry (76 Reds)- 6.0 1976- Gary Nolan (76 Reds)- 4.7 1979- Kris Medlen (12 Braves)- 5.6 1987- Dwight Gooden (87 Mets)- 7.2 1998- Kris Medlen- 6.4 2012- Kris Medlen- 5.9 __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

07-17-2023, 03:44 PM	#30
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 4 Recap/Group 5 Introduction There wasn't much suspense in this group, but here's the final results 1976 Reds- 561 2012 Braves- 501 1998 Yankees- 498 1963 Twins- 469 1987 Mets- 447 1979 Expos- 440 Congratulations to the 1976 Cincinnati Reds on their advancement to the Top 10 in the final round. We now have one team each from the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's. Not what I expected at this point, but it is pretty interesting. The Reds tied the 43 Cardinals in the 1st round for the most wins, but the Cards only won by 20 over the 09 Pirates....the Reds just won this group by 60 and were the top team in every season. They didn't have to play a year before 1963, so that may be a big factor....we will see! The 79 Expos looked pretty decent early on, but their last two seasons were terrible and they now have the fewest wins, beating out the 1937 Giants who had 442 in group 3. I realized I forgot to name my All-Group 3 team....I'm a little too far removed from those seasons and don't have it in me to go back and revisit them all, so we're just going to have to go without it! However, I will name an All-Group 4 Team! C- Johnny Bench (76 Reds)- He won all the Gold Gloves and a couple of Silver Sluggers. No one else really stood out. 1B- Shane Spencer (98 Yankees)- Tony Perez collected a little more hardware, but Spencer had some monster seasons....150 RBI in one! 2B- Joe Morgan (76 Reds)- Clearly the MVP of this group. He won multiple Silver Sluggers and Season MVPs...plus led the league in so many categories that it was hard to keep track. He'll be a major force for the Reds in the last round, I am sure. He's also the first MVP who was on the winning team. Group 3's MVP would have been Bob Hazel of the 57 Braves...and they obviously didn't advance. 3B- This was a close one...but I'm going with Scott Brosius (98 Yankees). He won 3 Gold Gloves and 1 Silver Slugger. He was pretty consistent throughout and I'm a Yankees fan who loved watching this 98 team in real life, so he gets the nod! SS- Andrelton Simmons (12 Braves)- You thought I'd pick Jeter, didn't you?!? He was excellent in this group, but Simmons was incredible. His defense was stellar. He regularly had Zone Ratings in the high 20's and hit 30+ at least once. He beat Shane Spencer 4-2 in ROY Awards, stole a Silver Slugger from Jeter and led the league in WAR twice. He was hard not to pick. OF- The 3 OF I will pick are- Bob Allison (63 Twins), Bernie Williams (98 Yankees) and George Foster (76 Reds). Allison was the only one to win a Gold Glove, but the hitting of these guys was head and shoulders above most of the other OFers in this group. It was a talented bunch, though. DH- None of the DH's stood out as much as this 4th OFer....Bob Bailey (76 Reds). Bailey was the odd man out of the OFers I picked, so I'm giving him this spot. SP- I have been picking two and here I will go with Kris Medlen (12 Braves) and Brandon Beachy (12 Braves). They were the two dominant pitchers in this group. The Reds had most all of their guys win something or lead the league in different categories, but no one pitcher stood out. In real life, Medlen and Beachy didn't pitch full seasons, but they were both incredible....I still remember when Medlen came up. He was doing unheard of things in AAA that year and kept right on going. It's a shame he never reached those heights again. RP- Craig Kimbrel (12 Braves)- Pretty clear he was the best RP of this group. There were a number of guys who put up some good numbers from all the teams, but Craig was the best. OK- time to reveal Group 5! Here they are- 1955 New York Yankees 2017 Washington Nationals 1934 New York Yankees 1940 Detroit Tigers 1995 Cleveland Indians 2019 Los Angeles Dodgers Wow....every group always looks so intriguing! The 55 Yankees are not a team I expect to win this group, but I'm not super familiar with them, so they may surprise. The 2017 Nationals are good....really good. Strasburg, Harper, Turner, Scherzer, etc. I see them being in serious contention. The 34 Yankees are a little like the 55 team. I don't know much about them, except that this was the Babe's last hurrah as a Yankee....so anything could happen! The 1940 Tigers got 284 RBI from Hank Greenburg and Rudy York, so if those guys produce and the pitching holds up....they could surprise. The 1995 Indians are a hitting machine....Manny, Albert, Thome. Pitching will be a huge key for them. Finally the 2019 Dodgers are another top contender. They have tons of power, depth and pitching. A shaky bullpen may hurt them, though. Should be a fun 6 seasons! __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879 Last edited by Highlander; 07-19-2023 at 09:52 PM.

07-18-2023, 11:05 AM	#31
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 5 Results Group 5 is ready to go! Win Totals 1934 2019 Dodgers- 97....Big start for them 2017 Nationals- 86....Thinking these top two are the big contenders 1940 Tigers- 84....Not who I thought might be 3rd 1934 Yankees- 82....No magic for the Babe's last year? 1995 Indians- 72.....Thought they'd be better 1955 Yankees- 65.....Really tough start to overcome 1940 2017 Nationals- 94....Interesting 1940 Tigers- 86....Nice home season 2019 Dodgers- 83....Very Interesting 1995 Indians- 78 1955 Yankees- 75....Not a lot better 1934 Yankees- 70.....It's been a rough round for Yankees teams so far 1955 2019 Dodgers- 89....Back on top 1995 Indians- 84....Improving each season so far 1955 Yankees- 80.....Also improving, but need a big one 2017 Nationals- 78.....This really hurts them 1934 Yankees- 78 1940 Tigers- 77....Couldn't afford this finish 1995 2019 Dodgers- 91.....Might be the dagger 1995 Indians- 88.....Nice home season, but really needed to beat LA 2017 Nationals- 85....Not totally out, but getting close 1955 Yankees- 84.....Getting better each season, but just started too poorly 1934 Yankees- 75 1940 Tigers- 63.....These next two could get ugly for them 2017 2019 Dodgers- 104....This should wrap it up for them 2017 Nationals- 84....Thought they'd be more competitive with the Dodgers 1995 Indians- 82 1955 Yankees- 73 1940 Tigers- 73 1934 Yankees- 70 2019 2019 Dodgers- 102.....Leaving no doubt 2017 Nationals- 93....Good final season, but still fell well short 1995 Indians- 76....Just didn't have the pitching 1940 Tigers- 75 1934 Yankees- 74.....The Yankees 1955 Yankees- 66.....Underperformed again Award Winners Gold Glove Awards P- Don Larsen (55 Yankees)- 1934, 1940 Gio Gonzalez (17 Nationals)- 1955 Whitey Ford (55 Yankees)- 1995 Bob Turley (55 Yankees)- 2017 Clayton Kershaw (19 Dodgers)- 2019 C- Will Smith (19 Dodgers)- 1934, 1940, 1955, 1995, 2017, 2019 1B- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- 1934, 1940, 1955, 2017, 2019 David Freese (19 Dodgers)- 1995 2B- Bobby Richardson (55 Yankees)- 1934 Alvaro Espinoza (95 Indians)- 1940, 1955, 1995, 2017 Max Muncy (19 Dodgers)- 2019 3B- Andy Carey (55 Yankees)- 1934, 1940, 1995, 2019 Anthony Rendon (17 Nationals)- 1955, 2017 SS- Wilmer Difo (17 Nationals)- 1934, 1940, 1955, 1995, 2017 Dick Bartell (40 Tigers)- 2019 LF- Irv Noren (55 Yankees)- 1934, 1955, 1995 Ben Chapman (34 Yankees)- 1940, 2017, 2019 CF- Alex Verdugo (19 Dodgers)- 1934 Adam Eaton (17 Nationals)- 1940 Kenny Lofton (95 Indians)- 1955, 1995, 2019 Mickey Mantle (55 Yankees)- 2017 RF- Cody Bellinger (19 Dodgers)- 1934, 1940, 1955, 2017, 2019 Myril Hoag (34 Yankees)- 1995 Silver Slugger Awards C- Billy Sullivan (40 Tigers)- 1934, 1940 Will Smith (19 Dodgers)- 1955, 1995 Bill Dickey (34 Yankees)- 2017 Yogi Berra (55 Yankees)- 2019 1B- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- 1934, 1940 Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- 1955, 1995, 2017, 2019 2B- Daniel Murphy (17 Nationals)- 1934, 1995, 2017, 2019 Max Muncy (19 Dodgers)- 1940, 1955 3B- Jim Thome (95 Indians)- 1934, 1940, 1955, 1995, 2019 Justin Turner (19 Dodgers)- 2017 SS- Corey Seager (19 Dodgers)- 1934, 1940, 1955, 2017 Wilmer Difo (17 Nationals)- 1995 Frankie Crosetti (34 Yankees)- 2019 LF- Hank Greenberg (40 Tigers)- 1934, 1955, 1995 Albert Belle (95 Indians)- 1940, 2017, 2019 CF- Mickey Mantle (55 Yankees)- 1934, 1940, 1955, 1995, 2017, 2019 RF- Bryce Harper (17 Nationals)- 1934, 1940, 2017 Manny Ramirez (95 Indians)- 1955 Cody Bellinger (19 Dodgers)- 1995, 2019 DH- Trea Turner (17 Nationals)- 1934, 1940, 2019 Babe Ruth (34 Yankees)- 1955 Bill Skowron (55 Yankees)- 1995 Joc Pederson (19 Dodgers)- 2017 Rookie of the Year 1934- Tony Gonsolin (19 Dodgers)- 20-8, 264 IP, 2.69 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 105 K, 4.6 WAR 1940- Will Smith (19 Dodgers)- .260/.330/.402, 26 doubles, 0 triples, 15 HR, 59 R, 67 RBI, 0 SB, 2.9 WAR 1955- Will Smith- .267/.330/.523, 23 doubles, 2 triples, 33 HR, 82 R, 92 RBI, 1 SB, 5.4 WAR 1995- Will Smith- .254/.342/.555, 28 doubles, 2 triples, 37 HR, 83 R, 106 RBI, 3 SB, 5.2 WAR 2017- Will Smith- .226/.315/.474, 16 doubles, 2 triples, 31 HR, 68 R, 77 RBI, 1 SB, 4.5 WAR 2019- Will Smith- .223/.314/.526, 10 doubles, 1 triple, 43 HR, 81 R, 94 RBI, 3 SB, 5.6 WAR Reliever of the Year 1934- Jose Mesa (95 Indians)- 7-5, 17 Saves, 75 IP, 2.04 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, 33 K, 1.2 WAR 1940- Rich Hill (19 Dodgers)- 11-6, 18 Saves, 103.2 IP, 3.82 ERA, 1.54 WHIP, 49 K, 2.2 WAR 1955- Jose Mesa- 9-5, 18 Saves, 92.2 IP, 2.04 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 44 K, 3.1 WAR 1995- Jose Mesa- 9-2, 42 Saves, 75 IP, 1.80 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 56 K, 2.4 WAR 2017- Dustin May (19 Dodgers)- 6-3, 6 Saves, 67.2 IP, 2.26 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 62 K, 1.5 WAR 2019- Dustin May- 4-3, 42 Saves, 69 IP, 1.30 ERA, .90 WHIP, 78 K, 3.2 WAR Cy Young Award 1934- Lefty Gomez (34 Yankees)- 17-14, 287.2 IP, 3.16 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 111 K, 5.9 WAR 1940- Max Scherzer (17 Nationals)- 24-8, 271 IP, 2.59 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 142 K, 6.9 WAR 1955- Johnny Kucks (55 Yankees)- 17-12, 269.2 IP, 2.90 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 112 K, 6.7 WAR 1995- Clayton Kershaw (19 Dodgers)- 18-5, 205 IP, 2.85 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 159 K, 4.9 WAR 2017- Stephen Strasburg (17 Nationals)- 15-10, 237.1 IP, 2.84 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 245 K, 7.1 WAR 2019- Max Scherzer- 20-6, 227.2 IP, 2.73 ERA, .90 WHIP, 259 K, 6.9 WAR MVP Award 1934- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- .348/.417/.555, 53 doubles, 7 triples, 19 HR, 109 R, 119 RBI, 1 SB, 6.6 WAR 1940- Jim Thome (95 Indians)- .320/.443/.504, 27 doubles, 6 triples, 19 HR, 102 R, 107 RBI, 1 SB, 7.8 WAR 1955- Mickey Mantle (55 Yankees)- .293/.412/.538, 26 doubles, 11 triples, 27 HR, 89 R, 91 RBI, 0 SB, 7.6 WAR 1995- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- .316/.430/.624, 39 doubles, 1 triple, 44 HR, 107 R, 119 RBI, 9 SB, 7.5 WAR 2017- Lou Gehrig- .305/.403/.632, 33 doubles, 4 triples, 49 HR, 115 R, 129 RBI, 4 SB, 8.4 WAR 2019- Cody Bellinger (19 Dodgers)- .304/.373/.625, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 53 HR, 102 R, 123 RBI, 12 SB, 8.3 WAR League Leaders Batting Average 1934- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- .348 1940- Daniel Murphy (17 Nationals)- .322 1955- Barney McCoskey (40 Tigers)- .315 1995- Bryce Harper (17 Nationals)- .331 2017- Barney McCoskey- .321 2019- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- .341 OBP 1934- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- .417 1940- Jim Thome (95 Indians)- .443 1955- Mickey Mantle (55 Yankees)- .412 1995- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- .430 2017- Anthony Rendon (17 Nationals)- .411 2019- Lou Gehrig- .430 SLG 1934- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- .555 1940- Mickey Mantle (55 Yankees)- .553 1955- Mickey Mantle- .538 1995- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- .624 2017- Lou Gehrig- .632 2019- Lou Gehrig- .674 Doubles 1934- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- 53 1940- Rudy York- 53 1955- Bill Skowron (55 Yankees)- 46 1995- Hank Greenberg (40 Tigers)- 55 2017- Adam Eaton (17 Nationals), Daniel Murphy (17 Nationals)- tied with 50 2019- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees), Daniel Murphy- tied with 46 Triples 1934- Barney McCoskey (40 Tigers)- 23 1940- Kenny Lofton (95 Indians)- 23 1955- Kenny Lofton- 26 1995- Kenny Lofton- 14 2017- Kenny Lofton- 12 2019- Trea Turner (17 Nationals)- 15 Home Runs 1934- Cody Bellinger (19 Dodgers), Bryce Harper (17 Nationals)- tied with 23 1940- Albert Belle (95 Indians)- 29 1955- Will Smith (19 Dodgers)- 33 1995- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- 44 2017- Lou Gehrig- 49 2019- Cody Bellinger- 53 Runs 1934- Trea Turner (17 Nationals)- 124 1940- Kenny Lofton (95 Indians)- 124 1955- Kenny Lofton- 122 1995- Trea Turner- 123 2017- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- 115 2019- Kenny Lofton- 118 RBI 1934- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- 119 1940- Rudy York- 114 1955- Hank Greenberg (40 Tigers)- 112 1995- Albert Belle (95 Indians)- 122 2017- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- 129 2019- Rudy York- 147 Stolen Bases 1934- Kenny Lofton (95 Indians)- 86 1940- Trea Turner (17 Nationals)- 95 1955- Trea Turner- 86 1995- Trea Turner- 134....Wow! 2017- Trea Turner- 84 2019- Kenny Lofton- 100 Batter WAR 1934- Rudy York (40 Tigers)- 6.6 1940- Jim Thome (95 Indians)- 7.8 1955- Mickey Mantle (55 Yankees)- 7.6 1995- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- 7.5 2017- Lou Gehrig- 8.4 2019- Lou Gehrig- 8.8...Gehrig led the league in BA, OBP, SLG, 2B, and WAR...Bellinger led in just HR and he wins the MVP? Wins 1934- Schoolboy Rowe (40 Tigers)- 21 1940- Max Scherzer (17 Nationals)- 24 1955- Max Scherzer- 21 1995- Chad Ogea (95 Indians)- 19 2017- Clayton Kershaw (19 Dodgers), Hyun-Jin Ryu (19 Dodgers)- tied with 19 2019- Max Scherzer- 20 Saves 1934- Ross Stripling (19 Dodgers)- 20 1940- Rich Hill (19 Dodgers)- 17 1955- Clayton Kershaw (19 Dodgers), Don Larsen (55 Yankees)- 25 1995- Jose Mesa (95 Indians)- 42 2017- Koda Glover (17 Nationals)- 45 2019- Dustin May (19 Dodgers)- 42 ERA 1934- Tony Gonsolin (19 Dodgers)- 2.69 1940- Max Scherzer (17 Nationals)- 2.59 1955- Tony Gonsolin- 2.48 1995- Clayton Kershaw (19 Dodgers)- 2.85 2017- Johnny Allen (34 Yankees)- 2.69 2019- Lefty Gomez (34 Yankees)- 2.57 WHIP 1934- Lefty Gomez (34 Yankees)- 1.20 1940- Schoolboy Rowe (40 Tigers)- 1.16 1955- Johnny Kucks (55 Yankees)- 1.11 1995- Clayton Kershaw (19 Dodgers)- 1.04 2017- Max Scherzer (17 Nationals)- 1.00 2019- Max Scherzer- .90 Strikeouts 1934- Red Ruffing (34 Yankees)- 144 1940- Lefty Gomez (34 Yankees), Max Scherzer (17 Nationals)- tied with 142 1955- Bobo Newsom (40 Tigers)- 157 1995- Lefty Gomez- 221 2017- Johnny Allen (34 Yankees)- 285 2019- Johnny Allen- 272 Pitcher WAR 1934- Hyun-Jin Ryu (19 Dodgers)- 6.5 1940- Max Scherzer (17 Nationals)- 6.9 1955- Johnny Kucks (55 Yankees)- 6.7 1995- Walker Buehler (19 Dodgers)- 6.0 2017- Hyun-Jin Ryu- 7.5 2019- Max Scherzer- 6.9 __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

07-18-2023, 11:52 AM	#32
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 5 Recap/Group 6 Introduction We are half way through Round 3! This one left little doubt about what team would advance, but here are the results- 2019 Dodgers- 566 2017 Nationals- 520 1995 Indians- 480 1940 Tigers- 458 1934 Yankees- 449 1955 Yankees- 443 Setting a new Round 3 Wins Record, the 2019 Los Angeles Dodgers move on to Round 4 with a place in the Top 10. They won 566 games over the 6 seasons, breaking the record of 561 held by both the 1943 Cardinals from Group 1 and the 1976 Reds in Group 4. This group was, by far, the most offensively talented group we've had. There were HUGE seasons by multiple players and for the first time, there wasn't one player who was the clear dominant one in the league. This Dodgers team will be a force, I think, but we'll see how they matchup up against some teams with superior pitching. I will attempt to name my All-Group 5 Team, but this was a really strong group with so many great seasons by different players. Here's my best shot! C- Will Smith (19 Dodgers)- He won all the Gold Gloves, 2 Silver Sluggers and had some huge HR totals. 1B- Lou Gehrig (34 Yankees)- 5 Gold Gloves, 4 Silver Sluggers and 2 MVPs....plus a bunch of league leader spots in multiple categories. There were some other great players, but I think Gehrig gets the Group MVP award....by just a little bit, anyway! 2B- I guess I'll go with Daniel Murphy (17 Nationals) here. He didn't win any Gold Gloves, but had 4 Silver Sluggers and was always a candidate for the batting title. Max Muncy of the 19 Dodgers was a close runner-up. 3B- Jim Thome (95 Indians) is the choice here. He won 5 Silver Sluggers and was in the running for some Gold Gloves, but never won. SS- I'm actually going with a guy who DH's a lot more than playing SS, but he is a natural SS.....Trea Turner (17 Nationals). His stolen base totals were tremendous...even beating the real MLB record one season. Teammate Wilmer Difo was the best fielding SS in the group and won a Silver Slugger one season, so he deserves mention too, but Turner was spectacular most every season and needs to be on this team...but probably won't make it at DH. OF- It's almost impossible to pick just 3 outfielders from this group....I'll end up using the DH spot for another one as you may have guessed. However, the 3 guys I'll pick here are- Mickey Mantle (55 Yankees), Albert Belle (95 Indians), Kenny Lofton (95 Indians). Mantle won all the Silver Sluggers in CF and added 1 Gold Glove and 1 MVP. Belle won 3 Silver Sluggers and as in real life, when he was good, he was incredible. Lofton may be a surprise. He did win 3 Gold Gloves, but no Sluggers or MVPs. He was, however, a dynamic player in every season. He battled Trea Turner for the stolen base crown every season and was always in the top 2 or 3 in runs scored. DH- Cody Bellinger (19 Dodgers)- Really a 4th OFer, Bellinger won 5 Gold Gloves, 2 Sliver Sluggers and an MVP. He was a 30/30 guy more than once as well. SP- Tough to pick two, as there were a few guys who had good seasons, but not one or two really dominant ones. I'll go with- Max Scherzer (17 Nationals) and Lefty Gomez (34 Yankees). Max was probably the most dominant guy across the awards and league leaders. Gomez wasn't much different than a couple of the guys on the 2019 Dodgers, but he stood out in both early and late eras and was able to put up great numbers most years on a team that wasn't very successful. RP- I'll pick Jose Mesa (95 Indians) here. Dustin May of the 2019 Dodgers made a late push, but I don't think he was always a RP and didn't have the consistency of Mesa. Time to meet Group 6! Here's the teams we will see in the next matchup- 1980 Montreal Expos 1932 New York Yankees 1933 Pittsburgh Pirates 1990 Pittsburgh Pirates 2008 Boston Red Sox 2011 Texas Rangers Definitely an odd mix here. We already saw the 79 Expos end their Cinderella run by putting up the worst win total we've seen so far. Not sure we can expect more from the 1980 team. The 32 Yankees are not too far removed from the 34 team that just really struggled. Differences are a much better Babe and 2-3 other guys who will support Ruth and Gehrig, including a terrific partial season by Myril Hoag that may factor in. Pitching isn't the strongest, so that will decide things for them. The 33 Pirates are another Cinderella team that likely won't fare well here. The 1990 Pirates will be similar to their 91 counterparts we saw in Group 2. They finished a solid 3rd and this group might be better. Watch out for Zane Smith who pitched 76 innings and put up a ridiculous 1.30 ERA. The 2008 Red Sox don't stand out at first glance, but they have some really good partial season guys who put up good numbers. They could surprise. Finally, the 2011 Rangers dominated in the 1st round and did really well in the 2nd, so they come in as a favorite until they falter. The Napoli/Hamilton/Beltre trio is really strong. __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

07-19-2023, 12:18 PM	#33
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 6 Results Win Totals 1932 2011 Rangers- 89.....Still the favorites, I guess! 1990 Pirates- 83....Staying close 1980 Expos- 80 1933 Pirates- 80 2008 Red Sox- 80....These 3 are still question marks for sure 1932 Yankees- 74....Another Yankees team that can't make a mark 1933 1933 Pirates- 86....Not dominant, but they won their home season! 1990 Pirates- 84 1932 Yankees- 83 1980 Expos- 82....Very close race in this season 2011 Rangers- 78 2008 Red Sox- 73....Strange how different the results were from a year difference 1980 2008 Red Sox- 89....3rd season in a row with a different top team 1980 Expos- 82....Decent showing in their home season 1932 Yankees- 82.....Hanging in there 1990 Pirates- 82....Another really close season 1933 Pirates- 76....Pretty big drop from their home season 2011 Rangers- 75.....Struggling after a good start 1990 1990 Pirates- 89....Slowly becoming the favorites, maybe? 1933 Pirates- 83 2011 Rangers- 83....Trying to stay alive 2008 Red Sox- 81.....Another close season 1980 Expos- 79.....Not great, but still keeps them barely alive I think 1932 Yankees- 71....This hurt in a very close race 2008 2011 Rangers- 94....Vaults them into the lead 1932 Yankees- 84....Too bad that 1990 season hurt so much 1933 Pirates- 81....Hanging around 1990 Pirates- 77....Doing this when the Rangers did well hurts 1980 Expos- 75....Probably the knockout punch 2008 Red Sox- 75....Yuck 2011 2011 Rangers- 89 2008 Red Sox- 83 1932 Yankees- 82 1933 Pirates- 81 1990 Pirates- 77 1980 Expos- 74 Award Winners Gold Glove Awards P- Tim Wakefield (08 Red Sox)- 1932 Scott Sanderson (80 Expos)- 1933 Red Ruffing (32 Yankees)- 1980 Steve Rogers (80 Expos)- 1990 Daisuke Matsuzaka (08 Red Sox)- 2008, 2011 C- Mike LaValliere (90 Pirates)- 1932, 1980, 1990, 2011 Gary Carter (80 Expos)- 1933, 2008 1B- Kevin Youkilis (08 Red Sox)- 1932, 1980, 1990, 2008 Sid Bream (90 Pirates)- 1933, 2011 2B- Rodney Scott (80 Expos)- 1932, 1933, 1980, 2008, 2011 Tony Piet (33 Pirates)- 1990 3B- Mike Lowell (08 Red Sox)- 1932, 1980, 1990, 2008, 2011 Pie Traynor (33 Pirates)- 1933 SS- Alex Cora (08 Red Sox)- 1932, 1933, 1990, 2011 Arky Vaughn (33 Pirates)- 1980 Chris Speier (80 Expos)- 2008 LF- Jerry White (80 Expos)- 1932 Josh Hamilton (11 Rangers)- 1933 Earle Combs (32 Yankees)- 1980 Lloyd Waner (33 Pirates)- 1990, 2008, 2011 CF- Andre Dawson (80 Expos)- 1932 Jacoby Ellsbury (08 Red Sox)- 1933, 1980, 1990, 2008, 2011 RF- Nelson Cruz (11 Rangers)- 1932, 1990, 2008 Ben Chapman (32 Yankees)- 1933 RJ Reynolds (90 Pirates)- 1980, 2011 Silver Slugger Awards C- Mike Napoli (11 Rangers)- 1932, 1933, 1980, 1990, 2011 Gary Carter (80 Expos)- 2008 1B- Michael Young (11 Rangers)- 1932 Kevin Youkilis (08 Red Sox)- 1933 Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- 1980, 1990, 2008, 2011 2B- Dustin Pedroia (08 Red Sox)- 1932, 1933, 1980, 1990, 2008, 2011 3B- Adrian Beltre (11 Rangers)- 1932, 1980, 1990, 2008, 2011 Ken Macha (80 Expos)- 1933 SS- Arky Vaughn (33 Pirates)- 1932, 1933, 1980, 1990, 2008, 2011 LF- Barry Bonds (90 Pirates)- 1932, 1990, 2008 Babe Ruth (32 Yankees)- 1933 Josh Hamilton (11 Rangers)- 1980 Earle Combs (32 Yankees)- 2011 CF- Josh Hamilton (11 Rangers)- 1932, 1990 Freddie Lindstrom (33 Pirates)- 1933 Andre Dawson (80 Expos)- 1980 Sammy Byrd (32 Yankees)- 2008 Andy Van Slyke (90 Pirates)- 2011 RF- Paul Waner (33 Pirates)- 1932 Ellis Valentine (80 Expos)- 1933 Babe Ruth (32 Yankees)- 1980, 1990, 2008, 2011 DH- Gary Redus (90 Pirates)- 1932 Randy Bass (80 Expos)- 1933 Bobby Bonilla (90 Pirates)- 1980, 1990, 2011 David Ortiz (08 Red Sox)- 2008 Rookie of the Year 1932- Randy Tomlin (90 Pirates)- 16-15, 282 IP, 3.51 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 69 K, 3.8 WAR 1933- Johnny Allen (32 Yankees)- 21-10, 294.2 IP, 2.93 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 117 K, 4.6 WAR 1980- Randy Tomlin- 20-11, 271.1 IP, 2.75 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 111 K, 5.4 WAR 1990- Randy Tomlin- 15-13, 260.1 IP, 2.87 ERA, 1.09 WHIP, 156 K, 6.4 WAR 2008- Ralph Birkofer (33 Pirates)- 15-10, 233.1 IP, 3.20 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 228 K, 5.3 WAR 2011- Ralph Birkofer- 11-10, 229 IP, 3.03 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 203 K, 3.8 WAR Reliever of the Year 1932- Pedro Strop (11 Rangers)- 6-4, 16 Saves, 62 IP, 1.89 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 18 K, .6 WAR 1933- Pedro Strop- 8-6, 16 Saves, 90.2 IP, 1.69 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 34 K, .5 WAR 1980- Woodie Fryman (80 Expos)- 4-4, 35 Saves, 81.1 IP, 1.44 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, 47 K, 3.2 WAR 1990- Vicente Palacios (90 Pirates)- 6-3, 30 Saves, 86.1 IP, 1.25 ERA, .93 WHIP, 45 K, 3.2 WAR 2008- Vicente Palacios- 5-3, 39 Saves, 66.2 IP, 1.75 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 40 K, 1.2 WAR 2011- Vicente Palacios- 4-5, 34 Saves, 1.16 ERA, .89 WHIP, 61 K, 2.0 WAR Cy Young Award 1932- Scott Sanderson (80 Expos)- 14-15, 265.1 IP, 3.09 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 121 K, 5.5 WAR 1933- Johnny Allen (32 Yankees)- See Stats in ROY Award 1980- Randy Tomlin (90 Pirates)- See Stats in ROY Award 1990- Randy Tomlin- See Stats in ROY Award 2008- Ralph Birkofer (33 Pirates)- See Stats in ROY Award 2011- Ralph Birkofer- See Stats in ROY Award MVP Award 1932- Arky Vaughn (33 Pirates)- .311/.381/.483, 34 doubles, 20 triples, 10 HR, 98 R, 79 RBI, 4 SB, 6.9 WAR 1933- Kevin Youkilis (08 Red Sox)- .331/.384/.461, 30 doubles, 8 triples, 11 HR, 78 R, 96 RBI, 1 SB, 5.2 WAR 1980- Arky Vaughn- .299/.389/.486, 33 doubles, 10 triples, 19 HR, 95 R, 102 RBI, 7.1 WAR 1990- Mike Napoli (11 Rangers)- .311/.399/.532, 20 doubles, 0 triples, 29 HR, 84 R, 83 RBI, 3 SB, 7.5 WAR 2008- Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- .304/.420/.572, 34 doubles, 3 triples, 38 HR, 101 R, 130 RBI, 4 SB, 7.7 WAR 2011- Babe Ruth (32 Yankees)- .243/.419/.539, 13 doubles, 0 triples, 46 HR, 99 R, 115 RBI, 0 SB, 7.0 WAR League Leaders Batting Average 1932- Michael Young (11 Rangers)- .339 1933- Fredie Lindstrom (33 Pirates)- .334 1980- Dustin Pedroia (08 Red Sox)- .332 1990- Michael Young- .349 2008- Earle Combs (32 Yankees)- .326 2011- Earle Combs- .330 OBP 1932- Barry Bonds (90 Pirates)- .414 1933- Babe Ruth (32 Yankees)- .398 1980- Babe Ruth- .414 1990- Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- .424 2008- Lou Gehrig- .420 2011- Babe Ruth- .419 SLG 1932- Manny Ramirez (08 Red Sox)- .507 1933- Freddie Lindstrom (33 Pirates)- .462 1934- Mike Napoli (11 Rangers)- .504 1990- Mike Napoli- .532 2008- Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- .572 2011- Bobby Bonilla (90 Pirates)- .561 Doubles 1932- Sid Bream (90 Pirates)- 51 1933- Dustin Pedroia (08 Red Sox)- 42 1980- Andre Dawson (80 Expos)- 47 1990- Bobby Bonilla (90 Pirates), Tony Piet (33 Pirates)- tied with 53 2008- Warren Cromartie (80 Expos)- 61 2011- Dustin Pedroia- 52 Triples 1932- Arky Vaughn (33 Pirates)- 20 1933- Rodney Scott (80 Expos)- 15 1980- Rodney Scott- 17 1990- Rodney Scott- 16 2008- Freddie Lindstrom (33 Pirates), Arky Vaughn- tied with 11 2011- Randy Bass (80 Expos)- 11 Home Runs 1932- Ian Kinsler (11 Rangers)- 24 1933- Babe Ruth (32 Yankees)- 19 1980- Babe Ruth- 31 1990- Mike Napoli (11 Rangers)- 29 2008- Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- 38 2011- Babe Ruth- 46 Runs 1932- Elvis Andrus (11 Rangers)- 106 1933- Arky Vaughn (33 Pirates)- 106 1980- Dustin Pedroia (08 Red Sox)- 104 1990- Barry Bonds (90 Pirates), Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- tied with 99 2008- Ben Chapman (32 Yankees), Earle Combs (32 Yankees)- tied with 115 2011- Andy Van Slyke (90 Pirates)- 100 RBI 1932- Josh Hamilton (11 Rangers)- 108 1933- Manny Ramirez (08 Red Sox)- 100 1980- Bobby Bonilla (90 Pirates)- 116 1990- Bobby Bonilla- 120 2008- Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- 130 2011- Bobby Bonilla- 133 Stolen Bases 1932- Rodney Scott (80 Expos)- 58 1933- Rodney Scott- 46 1980- Rodney Scott- 80 1990- Rodney Scott- 86 2008- Barry Bonds (90 Pirates), Jacoby Ellsbury (08 Red Sox)- tied with 57 2011- Rodney Scott- 69 Batter WAR 1932- Arky Vaughn (33 Pirates)- 6.9 1933- Kevin Youkilis (08 Red Sox), Josh Hamilton (11 Rangers)- tied with 5.2 1980- Arky Vaughn- 7.1 1990- Mike Napoli (11 Rangers)- 7.5 2008- Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- 7.7 2011- Babe Ruth (32 Yankees)- 7.0 Wins 1932- Bill Swift (33 Pirates)- 20 1933- Johnny Allen (32 Yankees)- 21 1980- Randy Tomlin (90 Pirates)- 20 1990- Doug Drabek (90 Pirates), Daisuke Matsuzaka (08 Red Sox)- 17 2008- Waite Hoyt (33 Pirates)- 18 2011- Johnny Allen (32 Yankees)- 17 Saves 1932- Jonathan Papelbon (08 Red Sox)- 18 1933- Woodie Fryman (80 Expos)- 22 1980 Woodie Fryman- 35 1990- Jonathan Papelbon- 40 2008- Vicente Palacios (90 Pirates)- 39 2011- Woodie Fryman, George Pipgras (32 Yankees)- 39 ERA 1932- Bill Swift (33 Pirates)- 3.06 1933- Doug Drabek (90 Pirates)- 2.75 1980- Randy Tomlin (90 Pirates)- 2.75 1990- Doug Drabek- 2.80 2008- Waite Hoyt (33 Pirates)- 2.93 2011- Ralph Birkofer (33 Pirates)- 3.03 WHIP 1932- Bill Swift (33 Pirates)- 1.09 1933- Larry French (33 Pirates), Randy Tomlin (90 Pirates)- 1.18 1980- Randy Tomlin- 1.12 1990- Bill Swift- 1.06 2008- Bill Swift- 1.08 2011- Hal Smith (33 Pirates)- 1.12 Strikeouts 1932- Red Ruffing (32 Yankees)- 163 1933- Red Ruffing- 149 1980- Red Ruffing- 194 1990- Lefty Gomez (32 Yankees)- 224 2008- Hank Johnson (32 Yankees)- 242 2011- Red Ruffing- 260 Pitcher WAR 1932- Bill Gullickson (80 Expos)- 6.2 1933- Larry French (33 Pirates)- 6.6 1980- Bill Gullickson- 5.8 1990- Randy Tomlin (90 Pirates)- 6.4 2008- Larry French- 5.7 2011- CJ Wilson (11 Rangers)- 5.1 __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

07-19-2023, 12:40 PM	#34
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 6 Recap/Group 7 Introductions Group 6 is in the books...here's the final results- 2011 Rangers- 508 1990 Pirates- 492 1933 Pirates- 487 2008 Red Sox- 481 1932 Yankees- 476 1980 Expos- 402 So, congratulations are in order for the 2011 Texas Rangers who have to be the most unlikely member of the Top 10 heading to the final round. It was far from a dominant performance as this was one of the closest groups we've had....with the exception of the 1980 Expos. Even the Expos weren't too far out of it until the last couple of seasons. There just wasn't a stand-out team in this group and the Rangers were the best in their own era to vault them into the next round. They have some great offensive players, but I just don't see their pitching being good enough in the final round. The pitching in this group was pretty weak overall and there are some great staffs waiting in that final round. They've made it this far, though, so you never know! This is another tough group to name the top players....especially the MVP of the group. But, I'll give it a try- C- Mike Napoli (11 Rangers)- One of the easier choices. He won an MVP and all but one Silver Slugger. 1B- Lou Gehrig (32 Yankees)- Kevin Youkilis got off to a quick start and Michael Young was very good throughout, but Gehrig was the best 2B- Dustin Pedroia (08 Red Sox)- This was a little closer than I thought, as Rodney Scott won most of the Gold Gloves and was the top speed guy of the group. His hitting was pretty bad, though, so Dustin gets the nod. 3B- Adrian Beltre (11 Rangers)- Mike Lowell was the best fielder of the group, but Beltre was the best overall player. SS- Arky Vaughn (33 Pirates)- He was really good early on and won all 6 Silver Sluggers, plus snuck in a Gold Glove. OF- The 3 guys for this group are- Barry Bonds (90 Pirates), Babe Ruth (32 Yankees) and Josh Hamilton (11 Rangers). No one totally dominated from this group, but they seemed to be in the mix for awards and league leader spots the most. DH- Bobby Bonilla (90 Pirates)- He was really good and no one else at this spot was close. SP- Randy Tomlin (90 Pirates) and Ralph Birkhofer (33 Pirates) get the nod by a little bit. They won all but one of the ROY Awards and all but one Cy Young Award. No pitchers were outstanding in this group, but these two deserve the top two spots. RP- Vicente Palacios (90 Pirates)- There were about 3 really good relievers in this group, but Vicente stood out. He was a "partial season guy" who took advantage of it. Time to meet Group 7- 1947 New York Yankees 2007 New York Yankees 1997 Florida Marlins 1908 New York Giants 2018 Cleveland Indians 1993 San Francisco Giants We've got two more Yankees teams, but I'm not sure either will break the bad streak their Yankees franchise has been on in this competition. The Marlins are intriguing to me....they may be awful, but I have a feeling they will make a good showing. The 1908 Giants will be interesting. If the pitching translates to later years, they could be in the mix. The 2018 Indians will be solid, I think. They have a pretty well-rounded team. Finally, the 1993 Giants will be another team that could do well or could falter. There is no obvious standout team (to me anyway), so the one with the best player might go through....that could be Bonds. __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

07-19-2023, 09:24 PM	#35
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 7 Results Win Totals 1908 1908 Giants- 107....Record number of wins for Round 3...impressive! 1993 Giants- 83 2018 Indians- 82 1947 Yankees- 77.....Another rough start for the Yankees 1997 Marlins- 72 2007 Yankees- 65.....Another really rough start for the Yankees 1947 1908 Giants- 97....Making it tough to catch them 1947 Yankees- 90.....Nice home season, but the Giants still beat them 2007 Yankees- 84....Not bad but need a lot more to catch the Giants 1993 Giants- 81 2018 Indians- 75 1997 Marlins- 59....So much for my thought they might be tough! Worst win total in this round! 1993 1947 Yankees- 89....Nice finish, but still need to make up for that 1908 season 1908 Giants- 84.....Starting to struggle? 1997 Marlins- 82 1993 Giants- 81....Thought they'd be better here 2007 Yankees- 76 2018 Indians- 74 1997 1947 Yankees- 89.....Best Yankees team we've seen. Can they come through? 1993 Giants- 84 2018 Indians- 83 2007 Yankees-80 1997 Marlins- 75.....Not good in their home season at all 1908 Giants- 75.....They've gotten worse each season...can the first two keep them alive? 2007 1908 Giants- 87....Wow- coming back! 1993 Giants- 86 2018 Indians- 84 1947 Yankees- 78....Probably just ruined their chances 2007 Yankees- 77 1997 Marlins- 74.....Did I really say they could be tough? 2018 1908 Giants- 89....What a finish for them after a rough middle 1947 Yankees- 88.....Close, but no cigar 2018 Indians- 86 1993 Giants- 78 2007 Yankees- 76 1997 Marlins- 69.....Basement again Award Winners Gold Glove Awards P- Al Leiter (97 Marlins)- 1908 Christy Mathewson (08 Giants)- 1947, 2007 Livan Hernandez (97 Marlins)- 1993, 1997 Mike Clevinger (18 Indians)- 2018 C- Charles Johnson (97 Marlins)- 1908, 1947, 1993, 1997, 2007, 2018 1B- Doug Mientkiewicz (07 Yankees)- 1908, 1947, 1993, 1997, 2007 George McQuinn (47 Yankees)- 2018 2B- Erik Gonzalez (18 Indians)- 1908 Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- 1947, 1997, 2007, 2018 Kurt Abbott (97 Marlins)- 1993 3B- Matt Williams (93 Giants)- 1908 Jack Hannifin (08 Giants)- 1947, 1997 Bobby Brown (47 Yankees)- 1993, 2007, 2018 SS- Phil Rizzuto (47 Yankees)- 1908, 1947, 2007 Francisco Lindor (18 Indians)- 1993, 2018 Miguel Cairo (07 Yankees)- 1997 LF- Spike Shannon (08 Giants)- 1908, 1947, 2007 John Cangelosi (97 Marlins)- 1993 Cliff Floyd (97 Marlins)- 1997, 2018 CF- Darren Lewis (93 Giants)- 1908, 1947 Greg Allen (18 Indians)- 1993, 1997, 2018 Sammy Strang (08 Giants)- 2007 RF- Tommy Heinrich (47 Yankees)- 1908, 1947, 2018 Mark Carreon (93 Giants)- 1993, 1997, 2007 Silver Slugger Awards C- Roger Bresnahan (08 Giants)- 1908 Jorge Posada (07 Yankees)- 1947, 1993, 1997, 2007, 2018 1B- Will Clark (93 Giants)- 1908, 1997 George McQuinn (47 Yankees)- 1947, 1993, 2007 Edwin Encarnacion (18 Indians)- 2018 2B- Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- 1908, 1947, 1993, 2007, 2018 Robby Thomson (93 Giants)- 1997 3B- Bobby Brown (47 Yankees)- 1908 Alex Rodriguez (07 Yankees)- 1947, 1997, 2007 Matt Williams (93 Giants)- 1993 Jose Ramirez (18 Indians)- 2018 SS- Al Bridwell (08 Giants)- 1908 Francisco Lindor (18 Indians)- 1947, 1993, 1997, 2007, 2018 LF- Michael Brantley (18 Indians)- 1908 Barry Bonds (93 Giants)- 1947, 1993, 1997, 2007, 2018 CF- Greg Allen (18 Indians)- 1908 Joe DiMaggio (47 Yankees)- 1947, 1993, 2007 Moises Alou (97 Marlins)- 1997, 2017 RF- Mike Donlin (08 Giants)- 1908, 1993, 1997, 2007, 2018 Mark Carreon (93 Giants)- 1947 DH- Derek Jeter (07 Yankees)- 1908, 2007 Charlie Keller (47 Yankees)- 1947, 1993, 1997 Michael Brantley (18 Indians)- 2018 Rookie of the Year 1908- Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- .261/.389/.329, 24 doubles, 6 triples, 0 HR, 73 R, 36 RBI, 65 SB, 8.9 WAR 1947- Buck Herzog- .257/.423/.340, 30 doubles, 5 triples, 2 HR, 111 R, 50 RBI, 18 SB, 6.8 WAR 1993- Buck Herzog- .318/.470/.435, 39 doubles, 5 triples, 5 HR, 111 R, 66 RBI, 48 SB, 9.2 WAR 1997- Buck Herzog- .270/.428/.353, 38 doubles, 4 triples, 0 HR, 117 R, 47 RBI, 45 SB, 5.9 WAR 2007- Buck Herzog- .252/.427/.369, 36 doubles, 2 triples, 8 HR, 118 R, 62 RBI, 45 SB, 7.0 WAR 2018- Buck Herzog- .275/.434/.390, 37 doubles, 3 triples, 7 HR, 115 R, 55 RBI, 36 SB, 8.2 WAR Reliever of the Year 1908- None named 1947- Rod Beck (93 Giants)- 13-4, 21 Saves, 90 IP, 2.90 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 40 K, 1.3 WAR 1993- Oliver Perez (18 Indians)- 3-2, 41 Saves, 59.2 IP, 1.36 ERA, .92 WHIP, 51 K, 2.9 WAR 1997- Rod Beck- 7-1, 40 Saves, 66.2 IP, .94 ERA, .70 WHIP, 63 K, 2.8 WAR....Eckersley might be jealous of that season! 2007- Joe Page (47 Yankees)- 1-2, 40 Saves, 66 IP, 1.36 ERA, .98 WHIP, 81 K, 2.8 WAR 2018- Joba Chamberlain (07 Yankees)- 5-9, 39 Saves, 68 IP, 2.78 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 90 K, 2.6 WAR Cy Young Award 1908- Christy Mathewson (08 Giants)- 32-9, 375 IP, 1.37 ERA, .76 WHIP, 204 K, 9.1 WAR 1947- Red Ames (08 Giants)- 22-11, 301.1 IP, 2.45 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 161 K, 8.2 WAR 1993- Spud Chandler (47 Yankees)- 19-10, 266.1 IP, 2.37 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 199 K, 5.8 WAR 1997- Spec Shea (47 Yankees)- 18-9, 239.1 IP, 3.08 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 219 K, 5.9 WAR 2007- Red Ames- 19-8, 244.2 IP, 2.57 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 235 K, 9.2 WAR 2018- Red Ames- 18-4, 237.2 IP, 2.16 ERA, .96 WHIP, 306 K, 9.4 WAR MVP Award 1908- Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- See stats in ROY Award 1947- Barry Bonds (93 Giants)- .300/.383/.544, 33 doubles, 3 triples, 33 HR, 104 R, 91 RBI, 2 SB, 5.9 WAR 1993- Mike Donlin (08 Giants)- .351/.386/.595, 44 doubles, 4 triples, 31 HR, 90 R, 136 RBI, 41 SB, 6.7 WAR 1997- Barry Bonds- .305/.412/.624, 46 doubles, 6 triples, 39 HR, 106 R, 111 RBI, 17 SB, 8.1 WAR 2007- Barry Bonds- .313/.402/.635, 34 doubles, 0 triples, 50 HR, 123 R, 118 RBI, 15 SB, 7.6 WAR 2018- Barry Bonds- .314/.397/.665, 32 doubles, 1 triple, 56 HR, 119 R, 119 RBI, 16 SB, 10.1 WAR League Leaders Batting Average 1908- Mike Donlin (08 Giants)- .297 1947- Mike Donlin- .330 1993- Mike Donlin- .351 1997- Jorge Posada (07 Yankees)- .339 2007- Jorge Posada- .333 2018- Mike Donlin- .322 OBP 1908- Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- .389 1947- Charlie Keller (47 Yankees)- .430 1993- Buck Herzog- .470 1997- Buck Herzog- .428 2007- Buck Herzog- .427 2018- Buck Herzog- .434 SLG 1908- Mike Donlin (08 Giants)- .410 1947- Barry Bonds (93 Giants)- .544 1993- Jorge Posada (07 Yankees)- .598 1997- Barry Bonds- .624 2007- Barry Bonds- .635 2018- Barry Bonds- .665 Doubles 1908- Michael Brantley (18 Indians)- 34 1947- Bobby Bonilla (97 Marlins)- 40 1993- Derek Jeter (07 Yankees)- 46 1997- Larry Doyle (08 Giants)- 59 2007- Willie McGee (93 Giants)- 47 2018- Mike Donlin (08 Giants)- 46 Triples 1908- Tommy Heinrich (47 Yankees)- 16 1947- Greg Allen (18 Indians)- 19 1993- Joe DiMaggio (47 Yankees)- 10 1997- Larry Doyle (08 Giants)- 11 2007- Darren Lewis (93 Giants)- 9 2018- Lonnie Chisenhall (18 Indians)- 11 Home Runs 1908- Alex Rodriguez (07 Yankees)- 7 1947- Barry Bonds (93 Giants)- 33 1993- Charlie Keller (47 Yankees)- 46 1997- Charlie Keller- 49 2007- Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez- tied with 50 2018- Barry Bonds- 56 Runs 1908- Greg Allen (18 Indians)- 86 1947- Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- 111 1993- Buck Herzog- 111 1997- Buck Herzog- 117 2007- Barry Bonds (93 Giants)- 123 2018- Barry Bonds- 119 RBI 1908- Mike Donlin (08 Giants)- 74 1947- Mike Donlin- 136 1993- Mike Donlin- 136 1997- Larry Doyle (08 Giants), Alex Rodriguez (07 Yankees)- tied with 115 2007- Mike Donlin- 142 2018- Mike Donlin- 140 Stolen Bases 1908- Darren Lewis (93 Giants)- 102 1947- Darren Lewis- 27 1993- Darren Lewis- 81 1997- Darren Lewis- 52 2007- Darren Lewis- 59 2018- Darren Lewis- 58 Batter WAR 1908- Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- 8.9 1947- Buck Herzog- 6.8 1993- Buck Herzog- 9.2 1997- Barry Bonds (93 Giants)- 8.1 2007- Alex Rodriguez- 7.9 2018- Barry Bonds- 10.1 Wins 1908- Christy Mathewson (08 Giants)- 32 1947- Red Ames (08 Giants)- 22 1993- Hooks Wiltse (08 Giants)- 20 1997- Hooks Wiltse- 20 2007- Red Ames- 19 2018- Red Ames- 18 Saves 1908- Rod Beck (93 Giants)- 12 1947- Rod Beck- 21 1993- Joe Page (47 Yankees)- 43 1997- Rod Beck- 40 2007- Joe Page- 40 2018- Rod Beck- 41 ERA 1908- Christy Mathewson (08 Giants)- 1.37 1947- Red Ames (08 Giants)- 2.45 1993- Spud Chandler (47 Yankees)- 2.37 1997- Hooks Wiltse (08 Giants)- 2.84 2007- Red Ames- 2.57 2018- Red Ames- 2.16 WHIP 1908- Christy Mathewson (08 Giants)- .76 1947- Christy Mathewson- 1.06 1993- Billy Swift (93 Giants)- 1.01 1997- Christy Mathewson- 1.07 2007- Red Ames (08 Giants)- 1.07 2018- Red Ames- .96 Strikeouts 1908- Christy Mathewson (08 Giants)- 204 1947- Red Ames (08 Giants)- 161 1993- Red Ames- 229 1997- Red Ames- 239 2007- Red Ames- 235 2018- Red Ames- 306 Pitcher WAR 1908- Christy Mathewson (08 Giants)- 9.1 1947- Red Ames (08 Giants)- 8.2 1993- Red Ames- 6.8 1997- Red Ames- 6.6 2007- Red Ames- 9.2 2018- Red Ames- 9.4 __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

07-20-2023, 09:32 AM	#36
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 7 Recap/Group 8 Introduction Here's the final results- 1908 Giants- 539 1947 Yankees- 511 1993 Giants- 493 2018 Indians- 484 2007 Yankees- 458 1997 Marlins- 431 That means the newest addition to the Top 10 is the 1908 New York Giants!! Another surprise team to make it this far, as they were a 2nd place team (by one game to the Cubs) in real life. However, their pitching with Christy Mathewson, Red Ames, Hooks Wiltse and company has been spectacular. I think the success of this team, along with the 2011 Rangers, shows that some teams that were merely very good in their time are possibly more suited to be successful in other eras than a team that may be considered great. That seems to be the case with some of the Yankees teams that have stumbled in this round. They were great for their time....but aren't suited to be successful across time. Or it could be all dumb luck and just how OOTP interprets certain things! In any case, here's my attempt at an All-Group 7 Team- C- Jorge Posada (07 Yankees)- I had forgotten how good Jorge was in real life during this season. .338 with 42 doubles and 20 HR...wow! He put up some big seasons in this group as well....even though the 2007 Yankees didn't fare all that well. 1B- George McQuinn (47 Yankees)- I would have bet on Will Clark in this one, but George outplayed him. 2B- Buck Herzog (08 Giants)- An easy choice and major reason the Giants won this group. He was a consistent Gold Glove winner, won all the ROY Awards and was an on-base/run scoring machine. 3B- Alex Rodriguez (07 Yankees)- I'm not a fan of ARod, but he put up some pretty big numbers here....like in real life....so he has to be the choice. SS- Francisco Lindor (18 Indians)- A couple of Gold Gloves and by far the best hitting stats of the SS. He was really good. OF- The top 3 are- Barry Bonds (93 Giants), Mike Donlin (08 Giants), Joe DiMaggio (47 Yankees). Bonds and Donlin were the two major stars of this group....and I give the MVP edge, ever so slightly, to Bonds. His power just gives him that edge, but Donlin was fantastic and will be a force in the final round. DiMaggio was very good, but I could have picked any number of other guys. DH- Charlie Keller (47 Yankees)- He had some huge power and was the best of the DH options. SP- I have to go with the two big guns for the 1908 Giants in Christy Mathewson and Red Ames. The 47 Yankees had some good arms and a couple of other guys had some good seasons, but those two were the best of the bunch. RP- This was a very strong group for relief pitchers, but Rod Beck (93 Giants) stood out as the best. Here's a look at Group 8- 1910 New York Giants 1959 Los Angeles Dodgers 1927 New York Yankees 1989 Kansas City Royals 2021 Milwaukee Brewers 1996 Cleveland Indians We just saw the counterparts of this 1910 Giants team win Group 7, but I think this team might be a step down. That pitching will still be tough, though. The 59 Dodgers are that transition team between the 50s Brooklyn teams of Jackie Robinson/Duke Snider and Roy Campanella and the 60s LA teams of Koufax/Drysdale. Not sure they are good enough to advance, though. Not much needs to be said about the 1927 Yankees. They have been thought of as one of the best teams ever for a very long time. However, the Yankees haven't done well so far. If this team doesn't advance, though, it will be tough for the Yankees to have any teams in the top 10 at this point. That would be a bit of a shocker. The 89 Royals are the only chance for Kansas City to get a team in the Top 10. I don't think it will happen. The 2021 Brewers are a surprise team to be here....they have very good pitching for their year, but not much of an offense. Finally, we saw the 1995 Indians finish a distant 3rd in their group, but this team has an even better group of hitters when you factor in partial season guys like Brian Giles. Their pitching is kind of rough, though, so 3rd may be as close as they get. __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879 Last edited by Highlander; 07-20-2023 at 09:33 AM.

07-20-2023, 05:42 PM	#37
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 8 Results Win Totals 1910 1910 Giants- 93.....Another good start for these early era Giants 1927 Yankees- 92......Sticking right with them 2021 Brewers- 86.....I thought the pitching would help them in these early years 1959 Dodgers- 77 1989 Royals- 69 1996 Indians- 69 1927 1927 Yankees- 103....Holding serve 1910 Giants- 88....Not going away 2021 Brewers- 86 1996 Indians- 79 1959 Dodgers- 72 1989 Royals- 58....These 50-win seasons are ugly 1959 1927 Yankees- 92....Living up to the hype so far 2021 Brewers- 87....That pitching is good 1959 Dodgers- 82.....Not a losing home season at least 1989 Royals- 80 1910 Giants- 77....That hurt their chances 1996 Indians- 68 1989 1910 Giants- 93.....Coming down to a two team race 1927 Yankees- 87.....A minor stumble, just can't drop too far...worried about pitching depth 2021 Brewers- 82.....They've been good, but not good enough 1989 Royals- 78 1996 Indians- 75 1959 Dodgers- 71 1996 1927 Yankees- 92.....Back on top 1910 Giants- 91.....Sticking close, but need a big win 1996 Indians- 86.....Not bad in their home season 2021 Brewers- 83.....Thought they'd be better in earlier years and they were 1959 Dodgers- 69 1989 Royals- 65 2021 2021 Brewers- 99....Wow, they really came up big 1996 Indians- 88....So much better in these later years 1910 Giants- 85.....Could this be enough? 1959 Dodgers- 84....Their best season 1927 Yankees- 67....Ouch, the pitching depth caught up I think...but did they blow it? 1989 Royals- 63 Award Winners Gold Glove Awards P- Hooks Wiltse (10 Giants)- 1910 Louis Drucke (10 Giants)- 1927 Charles Nagy (96 Indians)- 1959 Orel Hershisher (96 Indians)- 1989, 1996 Chad Ogea (96 Indians)- 2021 C- Chief Myers (10 Giants)- 1910 Manny Pina (21 Brewers)- 1927 Bob Boone (89 Royals)- 1959, 1989, 1996, 2021 1B- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- 1910, 1996 Jace Peterson (21 Brewers)- 1927, 1959 Norm Larker (59 Dodgers)- 1989 Julio Franco (96 Indians)- 2021 2B- Tony Lazzeri (27 Yankees)- 1910, 1927, 1959, 1989, 1996 Jim Baxes (59 Dodgers)- 2021 3B- Pablo Reyes (21 Brewers)- 1910, 1927, 1959, 1989, 2021 Art Devlin (10 Giants)- 1996 SS- Luis Urias (21 Brewers)- 1910, 1959, 1996 Mark Koenig (27 Yankees)- 1927, 1989, 2021 LF- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- 1910, 1927, 1996, 2021 Pat Tabler (89 Royals)- 1959 Tyrone Taylor (21 Brewers)- 1989 CF- Lorenzo Cain (21 Brewers)- 1910, 1927, 1996, 2021 Jim Eisenreich (89 Royals)- 1959 Duke Snider (59 Dodgers)- 1989 RF- Ben Paschal (27 Yankees)- 1910, 1927 Ron Fairly (59 Dodgers)- 1959, 1989, 2021 Cedric Durst (27 Yankees)- 1996 Silver Slugger Awards C- Pat Collins (27 Yankees)- 1910, 1959 Chief Myers (10 Giants)- 1927, 1989, 1996, 2021 1B- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- 1910, 1927, 1959, 1989, 1996 Julio Franco (96 Indians)- 2021 2B- Larry Doyle (10 Giants)- 1910, 1927, 1989, 1996, 2021 Jim Baxes (59 Dodgers)- 1959 3B- Jim Thome (96 Indians)- 1910, 1927, 1959, 1989, 1996, 2021 SS- Omar Vizquel (96 Indians)- 1910 Al Bridwell (10 Giants)- 1927 Luis Urias (21 Brewers)- 1959, 1989, 1996, 2021 LF- Fred Snodgrass (10 Giants)- 1910 Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- 1927, 1959, 1989, 1996 Albert Belle (96 Indians)- 2021 CF- Earle Combs (27 Yankees)- 1910, 1927 Duke Snider (59 Dodgers)- 1959, 1989, 1996, 2021 RF- Red Murray (10 Giants)- 1910, 1927 Danny Tartabull (89 Royals)- 1959 Manny Ramirez (96 Indians)- 1989, 1996, 2021 DH- Omar Narvaez (21 Brewers)- 1910 Brian Giles (96 Indians)- 1927, 1989, 1996 Doc Crandall (10 Giants)- 1959, 2021 Rookie of the Year 1910- Wilcy Moore (27 Yankees)- 21-13, 307.2 IP, 1.84 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 107 K, 4.3 WAR 1927- Wilcy Moore- 17-11, 255.1 IP, 2.71 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 63 K, 4.6 WAR 1959- Jim Baxes (59 Dodgers)- .254/.298/.506, 21 doubles, 5 triples, 40 HR, 83 R, 99 RBI, 1 SB, 5.8 WAR 1989- Wilcy Moore- 12-6, 198 IP, 2.18 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 127 K, 4.6 WAR 1996- Jim Baxes- .243/.303/.516, 22 doubles, 3 triples, 45 HR, 102 R, 120 RBI, 0 SB, 4.8 WAR 2021- Jim Baxes- .237/.295/.552, 20 doubles, 0 triples, 56 HR, 102 R, 136 RBI, 0 SB, 4.9 WAR Reliever of the Year 1910- Not named 1927- Larry Sherry (59 Dodgers)- 7-7, 18 Saves, 89 IP, 2.83 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 40 K, 1.2 WAR 1959- Josh Hader (21 Brewers)- 10-7, 26 Saves, 107.1 IP, 2.01 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 72 K, 1.2 WAR 1989- Jeff Montgomery (89 Royals)- 5-6, 33 Saves, 73.1 IP, 2.45 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 62 K, 2.1 WAR 1996- Bob Shawkey (27 Yankees)- 5-4, 42 Saves, 63.2 IP, 1.70 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 57 K, 2.9 WAR 2021- Bob Shawkey- 3-3, 22 Saves, 91.1 IP, 2.86 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 112 K, 2.6 WAR Cy Young Award 1910- Christy Mathewson (10 Giants)- 31-10, 1 Save, 372 IP, 1.96 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 162 K, 7.7 WAR 1927- Roger Craig (59 Dodgers)- 21-11, 297 IP, 2.88 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 83 K, 4.4 WHIP 1959- Waite Hoyt (27 Yankees)- 19-8, 276.1 IP, 2.80 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 166 K, 6.4 WAR 1989- Bret Saberhagen (89 Royals)- 19-9, 263.1 IP, 2.87 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 197 K, 7.4 WAR 1996- Wilcy Moore (27 Yankees)- 15-7, 225 IP, 2.36 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 144 K, 6.2 WAR 2021- Corbin Burnes (21 Brewers)- 14-10, 211.2 IP, 2.93 ERA, 1.03 WHIP, 291 K, 8.5 WAR MVP Award 1910- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- .297/.388/.443, 45 doubles, 11 triples, 7 HR, 86 R, 90 RBI, 9 SB, 7.4 WAR 1927- Lou Gehrig- .363/.421/.579, 62 doubles, 15 triples, 14 HR, 115 R, 115 RBI, 2 SB, 7.3 WAR 1959- Lou Gehrig- .336/.445/.637, 46 doubles, 10 triples, 37 HR, 134 R, 127 RBI, 3 SB, 10.2 WAR 1989- Jim Thome (96 Indians)- .296/.424/.564, 21 doubles, 8 triples, 30 HR, 85 R, 86 RBI, 0 SB, 7.7 WAR 1996- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- .288/.425/.674, 17 doubles, 1 triple, 62 HR, 127 R, 146 RBI, 1 SB, 10.3 WAR 2021- Albert Belle (96 Indians)- .275/.373/.615, 24 doubles, 1 triple, 55 HR, 107 R, 132 RBI, 1 SB, 6.5 WAR League Leaders Batting Average 1910- Earle Combs (27 Yankees)- .306 1927- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- .363 1959- Lou Gehrig- .336 1989- Earle Combs- .320 1996- Julio Franco (96 Indians)- .321 2021- Earle Combs- .322 OBP 1910- Jim Thome (96 Indians)- .440 1927- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- .423 1959- Lou Gehrig- .445 1989- Jim Thome- .424 1996- Babe Ruth- .425 2021- Larry Doyle (10 Giants)- .411 SLG 1910- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- .443 1927- Lou Gehrig- .579 1959- Lou Gehrig- .637 1989- Jim Thome (96 Indians)- .564 1996- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- .674 2021- Jim Thome- .637 Doubles 1910- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- 45 1927- Lou Gehrig- 62 1959- Lou Gehrig- 46 1989- Fred Snodgrass (10 Giants)- 51 1996- Fred Merkle (10 Giants)- 63 2021- Fred Merkle- 59 Triples 1910- Earle Combs (27 Yankees)- 23 1927- Doc Crandall (10 Giants)- 21 1959- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees), Kurt Stillwell (89 Royals)- tied with 10 1989- Doc Crandall- 15 1996- Bill Pecota (89 Royals)- 10 2021- Charlie Neal (59 Dodgers)- 12 Home Runs 1910- Beals Becker (10 Giants), Danny Tartabull (89 Royals)- tied with 8 1927- Albert Belle (96 Indians)- 21 1959- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- 46 1989- Jim Thome (96 Indians)- 30 1996- Babe Ruth- 62 2021- Babe Ruth- 68 Runs 1910- Fred Snodgrass (10 Giants)- 97 1927- Red Murray (10 Giants)- 120 1959- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- 134 1989- Fred Snodgrass- 105 1996- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- 127 2021- Wally Moon (59 Dodgers)- 127 RBI 1910- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- 90 1927- Lou Gehrig, Albert Belle (96 Indians)- tied with 115 1959- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- 140 1989- Doc Crandall (10 Giants)- 110 1996- Babe Ruth- 146 2021- Doc Crandall- 143....Just realized he's actually a pitcher who DH's too Stolen Bases 1910- Kenny Lofton (96 Indians)- 104 1927- Kenny Lofton- 62 1959- Red Murray (10 Giants)- 34 1989- Red Murray- 69 1996- Kenny Lofton- 67 2021- Red Murray- 47 Batter WAR 1910- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- 7.4 1927- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees)- 8.3 1959- Lou Gehrig- 10.2 1989- Jim Thome (96 Indians)- 7.7 1996- Babe Ruth- 10.3 2021- Albert Belle (96 Indians)- 6.5 Wins 1910- Christy Mathewson (10 Giants)- 31 1927- George Pipgras (27 Yankees)- 28 1959- Roger Craig (59 Dodgers), Waite Hoyt (27 Yankees), Mark Gubicza (89 Royals)- tied with 19 1989- Bret Saberhagen (89 Royals)- 19 1996- Waite Hoyt, Christy Mathewson, Wilcy Moore (27 Yankees), Herb Pennock (27 Yankees)- tied with 15 2021- Roger Craig (59 Dodgers)- 16 Saves 1910- Jeff Montgomery (89 Royals)- 14 1927- Paul Assenmacher (96 Indians)- 19 1959- Josh Hader (21 Brewers)- 26 1989- Dick Rudolph (10 Giants)- 42 1996- Dick Rudolph- 43 2021- Drew Rasmussen (21 Brewers)- 46 ERA 1910- Wilcy Moore (27 Yankees)- 1.84 1927- Drew Rasmussen (21 Brewers)- 2.63 1959- Wilcy Moore- 2.01 1989- Wilcy Moore- 2.18 1996- Wilcy Moore- 2.36 2021- Wilcy Moore- 2.50 WHIP 1910- Waite Hoyt (27 Yankees)- 1.02 1927- Eric Lauer (21 Brewers)- 1.12 1959- Roger Craig (59 Dodgers)- 1.05 1989- Freddy Peralta (21 Brewers)- .99 1996- Wilcy Moore (27 Yankees)- 1.07 2021- Wilcy Moore- .99 Strikeouts 1910- George Pipgras (27 Yankees)- 199 1927- Corbin Burnes (21 Brewers)- 109 1959- Louis Drucke (10 Giants), Mark Gubicza (89 Royals)- tied with 182 1989- Christy Mathewson (10 Giants)- 201 1996- Don Drysdale (59 Dodgers)- 210 2021- Corbin Burnes- 291 Pitcher WAR 1910- Christy Mathewson (10 Giants), Bret Saberhagen (89 Royals)- tied at 7.7 1927- Corbin Burnes (21 Brewers)- 6.9 1959- Mark Gubicza (89 Royals)- 6.9 1989- Bret Saberhagen- 7.4 1996- Wilcy Moore (27 Yankees)- 6.2 2021- Corbin Burnes- 8.5 __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

07-20-2023, 06:38 PM	#38
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 8 Recap/Group 9 Introductions Here's the Group 8 results...it was a pretty close one with a 3rd team in contention at the end! 1927 Yankees- 533 1910 Giants- 527 2021 Brewers- 523 1996 Indians- 465 1959 Dodgers- 455 1989 Royals- 413 They almost blew it in the 2021 season, but the 1927 New York Yankees are the latest team to enter the Top 10 and move on to the Final Round. Pitching depth did hurt them in that season, along with both Ruth and Gehrig really struggling with contact and striking out over 300 times each. OOTP really punishes them, especially Ruth, for the number of Ks they had in their seasons so BA will suffer in many seasons, but the power plays. In any case, they only had two seasons below 90 wins, so they will be tough outside of very modern years and so far there are two of those....2011 and 2019. If they can overcome those seasons, they are clearly a contender. I have to say I was impressed with the Brewers.....they made it very close with that 99-win season at the end. The Giants I expected to be tough after the 08 team did so well, but not the Brewers. Next up is the All Group 8 Team....this one will be tricky in some spots- C- I guess I'll go with Chief Myers (10 Giants). No one really stood out, but he was one that seemed best. 1B- Lou Gehrig (27 Yankees)- Pretty easy. He was on his way to an easy MVP the first couple of years, but didn't keep that level of play up. I ended up going in a different direction. 2B- This is one of the toughest choices. I'm going with Larry Doyle (10 Giants). Jim Baxes was a HUGE power guy the last few seasons, but Doyle was a much better all-around player. 3B- Jim Thome (96 Indians)- Another pretty easy one...and he was in the running for MVP as well. SS- Luis Urias (21 Brewers)- A surprisingly easy choice. He wasn't all that great, but won multiple Gold Gloves and Silver Sluggers....so he was the best of this group! OF- The 3 are- Babe Ruth (27 Yankees), Duke Snider (59 Dodgers) and Albert Belle (96 Indians). It's tough leaving out Manny Ramirez, but Albert had better numbers most years despite having less awards. I went with the Babe as the MVP. I could have gone with Thome or Gehrig as well, but Babe's power was massive, plus he won 4 Gold Gloves to tip the scales DH- Doc Crandall (10 Giants)- He's actually a pitcher too, but as a hitter, he was fantastic and deserves this spot for sure. SP- Wilcy Moore (27 Yankees) and Corbin Burnes (21 Brewers). Moore was easy as he was by far the best pitcher in the group. Burnes's spot could have gone to a few others, but he seemed to be just a hair ahead in a few areas. RP- This is a tough one. There were some good guys in this group, but none really dominated over the others. Due to the pressure put on him from a very shallow bullpen, I'm going with Bob Shawkey (27 Yankees). He never led the league in saves, but was the only guy to win two Reliever of the Year awards. OK, it's on to Group 9! Only two groups left before we have our complete Top 10. So far we have one team each from the 1900's, 1920's, 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, 1970's and 2 teams from the 2010's. The 2010/2020 teams are all gone, so these last two will be from less modern times. Here's the Group 9 teams- 2003 Boston Red Sox 1967 St. Louis Cardinals 1931 New York Yankees 1988 New York Mets 1903 Pittsburgh Pirates 1975 Cincinnati Reds This is kind of the "2nd chance group". The 2003 Red Sox will actually get the first chance, with the 04 Red Sox coming up in the final group. This 03 team is a huge hitting team, but other than Pedro, the pitching is pretty rough. The 67 Cardinals are here in place of their more famous 1968 team and have a chance to join the Dodgers as the only franchise with two teams in the top 10 so far. The 1931 Yankees saw their 32 counterparts eliminated back in group 6 (and the 34 Yankees go out in group 5). This gives them a chance to redeem that era for the Yankees and get their 2nd team in. Similar to the 2003 Red Sox, though, they only have one pitcher (Lefty Gomez) who is reliable despite a huge offense. The 1988 Mets saw their 87 counterparts go out in group 4 and the more famous 86 team didn't make it here. This 88 team has a solid offense with some partial season guys that can help and terrific pitching....they have a shot. The 1903 Pirates saw their semi-counterparts from 1909 go out in round 1. They also give the Pirates their last chance to get a team in the Top 10 after coming in with the 2nd most teams in this round. They are a contender with a chance for a top offense and very good pitching. Finally, the 1975 Reds are in a unique spot of seeing their 76 counterparts already advance. It wouldn't surprise me to see two Big Red Machine teams in the top 10....but I kind of hope it doesn't happen. We have a really good variety of teams so far.....but this Reds team has a good shot to make it through. Had to come back and say this looks like one of the toughest groups we've seen. I can honestly see the Mets, Pirates and Reds all making it though and the Red Sox and Yankees both have really good offenses. The 67 Cardinals seem like the odd team out here, but we'll see how they do. __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879 Last edited by Highlander; 07-20-2023 at 06:42 PM.

07-21-2023, 12:30 PM	#39
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 9 Results Win Totals 1903 1988 Mets- 97....Off to a big start 2003 Red Sox- 81....2nd, but quite a few games back 1903 Pirates.....Ditto! 1975 Reds- 79 1967 Cardinals- 75 1931 Yankees- 73 1931 1975 Reds- 87 1931 Yankees- 84.....Nice home season finish 1988 Mets- 84....Not as good as 03, but solid 1903 Pirates- 80 2003 Red Sox- 76 1967 Cardinals- 75....Back to back 75's isn't a good thing 1967 1988 Mets- 99.....Dominating in these pitching-heavy years 1903 Pirates- 83 1975 Reds- 80 1967 Cardinals- 76 1931 Yankees- 75 2003 Red Sox- 73 1975 1988 Mets- 103.....Seems clear they are a real contender 1931 Yankees- 80...Great to finish 2nd, but 23 games back 1903 Pirates- 78 1967 Cardinals- 76 2003 Red Sox- 75 1975 Reds- 74....I did not expect this at all...in their home season? 1988 1988 Mets- 92....Even the dreaded home season doesn't slow them down 1903 Pirates- 90 1967 Cardinals- 82 1931 Yankees- 77 1975 Reds- 76....Are the 76 Reds that much better or is it because of their groups? 2003 Red Sox- 69 2003 1988 Mets- 100 1931 Yankees- 88 2003 Red Sox- 84 1903 Pirates- 76 1967 Cardinals- 73 1975 Reds- 65 Award Winners Gold Glove Awards P- Dwight Gooden (88 Mets)- 1903 Gary Nolan (75 Reds)- 1931 Bob Gibson (67 Cardinals)- 1967 John Burkett (03 Red Sox)- 1975 Pat Darcy (75 Reds)- 1988 Lefty Gomez (31 Yankees)- 2003 C- Johnny Bench (75 Red)- 1903, 1931, 1975, 2003 Bill Dickey (31 Yankees)- 1967 Tim McCarver (67 Cardinals)- 1988 1B- Dave Magadan (88 Mets)- 1903, 1931, 1967, 1975, 2003 Shea Hillenbrand (03 Red Sox)- 1988 2B- Keith Miller (88 Mets)- 1903 Damian Jackson (03 Red Sox)- 1931, 1967, 1975, 1988, 2003 3B- Tommy Leach (03 Pirates)- 1903, 1931, 1967 Doug Flynn (75 Reds)- 1975, 1988, 2003 SS- Dal Maxvill (67 Cardinals)- 1903, 2003 Dave Concepcion (75 Reds)- 1931, 1967, 1975, 1988 LF- Lou Brock (67 Cardinals)- 1903, 1931 Babe Ruth (31 Yankees)- 1967 George Foster (75 Reds)- 1975....Guess he switched positions! Pete Rose (75 Reds)- 1988 Fred Clarke (03 Pirates)- 2003 CF- George Foster (75 Reds)- 1903, 1931, 1967 Curt Flood (67 Cardinals)- 1975, 1988, 2003 RF- Ben Chapman (31 Yankees)- 1903, 1931, 1967, 1975, 2003 Jimmy Sebring (03 Pirates)- 1988 Silver Slugger Awards C- Tim McCarver (67 Cardinals)- 1903, 1967, 1975 Johnny Bench (75 Reds)- 1931, 1988 Bill Dickey (31 Yankees)- 2003 1B- Orlando Cepeda (67 Cardinals)- 1903, 1967, 1975, 1988 Lou Gehrig (31 Yankees)- 1931, 2003 2B- Joe Morgan (75 Reds)- 1903, 1931, 1967, 1975, 1988, 2003 3B- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- 1903, 1931, 1967, 1975, 1988, 2003 SS- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- 1903, 1931, 1967, 1975, 1988, 2003 LF- Lou Brock (67 Cardinals)- 1903 Fred Clarke (03 Pirates)- 1931, 1967, 1988 Babe Ruth (31 Yankees)- 1975, 2003 CF- Ginger Beaumont (03 Pirates)- 1903, 1931, 1967, 1975, 1988, 2003 RF- Ben Chapman (31 Yankees)- 1903 Trot Nixon (03 Red Sox)- 1931, 1967, 2003 Darryl Strawberry (88 Mets)- 1975, 1988 DH- David Ortiz (03 Red Sox)- 1903, 2003 Ken Griffey (75 Reds)- 1931 Bobby Tolan (67 Cardinals)- 1967 Keith Hernandez (88 Mets)- 1975 Mookie Wilson (88 Mets)- 1988 Rookie of the Year...A weak bunch in this group 1903- Doug Flynn (75 Reds)- .247/.291/.327, 28 doubles, 6 triples, 0 HR, 44 R, 58 RBI, 3 SB, 2.3 WAR 1931- Doug Flynn- .246/.298/.311, 26 doubles, 1 triple, 2 HR, 49 R, 72 RBI, 0 SB, .9 WAR 1967- Jack Pfiester (03 Pirates)- 12-13, 224.2 IP, 3.53 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, 175 K, 2.8 WAR 1975- Doug Flynn- .250/.292/.333, 25 doubles, 0 triples, 6 HR, 54 R, 59 RBI, 0 SB, 1.7 WAR 1988- Kaiser Wilhelm (03 Pirates)- 15-8, 235.2 IP, 2.94 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 84 K, 3.1 WAR 2003- Jack Pfiester- 11-13, 215 IP, 4.19 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, 169 K, 5.5 WAR Reliever of the Year 1903- None named 1931- Clay Carroll (75 Reds)- 6-8, 19 Saves, 77.1 IP, 1.63 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 18 K, 1.2 WAR 1967- Jeff Innis (88 Mets)- 10-5, 25 Saves, 116.2 IP, 1.16 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 79 K, 3.6 WAR 1975- Jeff Innis- 6-0, 35 Saves, 73 IP, 1.23 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 36 K, 2.0 WAR 1988- Jeff Innis- 11-9, 33 Saves, 89.2 IP, 2.01 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 45 SB, 2.6 WAR 2003- Tom McCarthy (88 Mets)- 8-2, 14 Saves, 56.2 IP, .95 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 19 K, 1.1 WAR Cy Young Award 1903- Dick Hughes (67 Cardinals)- 26-15, 371.1 IP, 1.82 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 134 K, 5.3 WAR 1931- Sam Leever (03 Pirates)- 22-10, 287 IP, 2.51 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 94 K, 4.8 WAR 1967- Bob Ojeda (88 Mets)- 18-7, 276.2 IP, 2.34 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 199 K, 7.9 WAR 1975- Sid Fernandez (88 Mets)- 24-7, 240.1 IP, 2.55 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 149 K, 4.5 WAR 1988- Lefty Gomez (31 Yankees)- 15-12, 274 IP, 2.79 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 203 K, 5.4 WAR 2003- Lefty Gomez- 21-6, 239.1 IP, 3.05 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 221 K, 5.3 WAR MVP Award 1903- Lou Brock (67 Cardinals)- .298/.333/.428, 36 doubles, 13 triples, 7 HR, 88 R, 59 RBI, 96 SB, 5.1 WAR 1931- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- .334/.389/.489, 38 doubles, 15 triples, 9 HR, 96 R, 107 RBI, 25 SB, 7.0 WAR 1967- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- .290/.346/.528, 28 doubles, 12 triples, 30 HR, 76 R, 100 RBI, 4 SB, 6.4 WAR 1975- Honus Wagner- .326/.397/.513, 34 doubles, 13 triples, 18 HR, 103 R, 86 RBI, 61 SB, 8.8 WAR 1988- Joe Morgan (75 Reds)- .300/.417/.502, 23 doubles, 2 triples, 28 HR, 114 R, 89 RBI, 46 SB, 8.3 WAR 2003- Joe Morgan- .322/.460/.547, 31 doubles, 3 triples, 27 HR, 107 R, 94 RBI, 27 SB, 9.0 WAR League Leaders Batting Average 1903- Curt Flood (67 Cardinals)- .331 1931- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- .334 1967- Orlando Cepeda (67 Cardinals)- .320 1975- Orlando Cepeda- .331 1988- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- .325 2003- Honus Wagner- .336 OBP 1903- Dave Magadan (88 Mets)- .380 1931- Joe Morgan (75 Reds)- .414 1967- Fred Clarke (03 Pirates)- .384 1975- Joe Morgan- .457 1988- Joe Morgan- .417 2003- Joe Morgan- .460 SLG 1903- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- .441 1931- Gregg Jefferies- .509 1967- Gregg Jefferies- .528 1975- Gregg Jefferies- .545 1988- Gregg Jefferies- .557 2003- Gregg Jefferies- .593 Doubles 1903- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- 38 1903- Fred Clarke (03 Pirates), Claude Ritchey (03 Pirates)- tied with 52 1967- Orlando Cepeda (67 Cardinals)- 39 1975- Fred Clarke, Bill Mueller (03 Red Sox)- tied with 35 1988- Honus Wagner- 42 2003- Fred Clarke- 58 Triples 1903- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- 24 1931- Gregg Jefferies- 19 1967- Earle Combs (31 Yankees), Gregg Jefferies- tied with 12 1975- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- 13 1988- Gregg Jefferies- 12 2003- Gregg Jefferies, Nomar Garciaparra (03 Red Sox)- tied with 11 Home Runs 1903- Babe Ruth (31 Yankees)- 8 1931- Lou Gehrig (31 Yankees)- 17 1967- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- 30 1975- Darryl Strawberry (88 Mets)- 35 1988- Gregg Jefferies, Joe Morgan (75 Reds)- 28 2003- Gregg Jefferies- 41 Runs 1903- Ginger Beaumont (03 Pirates)- 106 1931- Ginger Beaumont- 113 1967- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- 89 1975- Lou Brock (67 Cardinals)- 109 1988- Joe Morgan (75 Reds)- 114 2003- Ben Chapman (31 Yankees)- 123 RBI 1903- Babe Ruth (31 Yankees)- 90 1931- Fred Clarke (03 Pirates)- 109 1967- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- 100 1975- Kevin McReynolds (88 Mets)- 104 1988- George Foster (75 Reds)- 113 2003- Gregg Jefferies- 121 Stolen Bases 1903- Lou Brock (67 Cardinals)- 96 1931- Lou Brock- 37 1967- Ben Chapman (31 Yankees)- 33 1975- Lou Brock- 71 1988- Lou Brock- 68 2003- Lenny Dykstra (88 Mets)- 42 Batter WAR 1903- Curt Flood (67 Cardinals)- 5.9 1931- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- 7.0 1967- Honus Wagner- 7.4 1975- Joe Morgan (75 Reds)- 8.9 1988- Joe Morgan, Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- 8.3 2003- Joe Morgan- 9.0 Wins 1903- Sid Fernandez (88 Mets)- 28 1931- Sam Leever (03 Pirates)- 22 1967- Dwight Gooden (88 Mets), Bob Ojeda (88 Mets), Herb Pennock (31 Yankees)- tied with 18 1975- Sid Fernandez- 24 1988- David Cone (88 Mets)- 19 2003- Lefty Gomez (31 Yankees)- 21 Saves 1903- Jeff Innis (88 Mets)- 3 1931- Clay Carroll (75 Reds)- 19 1967- Jeff Innis- 25 1975- Jeff Innis- 35 1988- Ed Doheny (03 Pirates)- 37 2003- Jeff Innis- 42 ERA 1903- Dick Hughes (67 Cardinals)- 1.82 1931- Red Ruffing (31 Yankees)- 2.38 1967- Bob Ojeda (88 Mets)- 2.34 1975- Sid Fernandez (88 Mets)- 2.55 1988- Lefty Gomez (31 Yankees)- 2.79 2003- Lefty Gomez, Pedro Martinez (03 Red Sox)- tied at 3.05 WHIP 1903- Sid Fernandez (88 Mets)- .97 1931- Red Ruffing (31 Yankees)- 1.12 1967- Bob Ojeda (88 Mets)- 1.02 1975- Deacon Phillippe (03 Pirates)- 1.11 1988- Larry Jaster (67 Cardinals)- 1.07 2003- Pedro Martinez- 1.09 Strikeouts 1903- Pedro Martinez (03 Red Sox)- 193 1931- Lefty Gomez (31 Yankees)- 141 1967- Lefty Gomez- 225 1975- Lefty Gomez- 194 1988- Lefty Gomez- 203 2003- Lefty Gomez- 221 Pitcher WAR 1903- Pedro Martinez (03 Red Sox)- 8.3 1931- Pedro Martinez- 7.1 1967- Bob Ojeda (88 Mets)- 7.9 1975- Dwight Gooden (88 Mets), Bob Ojeda- tied with 6.9 1988- Bob Ojeda- 6.9 2003- Dwight Gooden- 7.9 __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

07-21-2023, 05:05 PM	#40
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 951	Group 9 Recap/Group 10 Introductions The Group 9 results are as follows- 1988 Mets- 575 1903 Pirates- 488 1931 Yankees- 477 1975 Reds- 461 2003 Red Sox- 458 1967 Cardinals- 457 With the most wins of any team so far in Round 3, the 1988 New York Mets are officially in the top 10 and will move on to the final round. They won 92 or more games in all but one season and won 100+ twice. Their pitching is fantastic and they will give the other teams a pretty big challenge. Here's the All-Group 9 Team- C- Johnny Bench (75 Reds)- He's in a close race with Tim McCarver, but Johnny hosted The Baseball Bunch on Saturday mornings and Tim McCarver was one of the most annoying announcers ever....no way this goes to Tim! 1B- Orlando Cepeda (67 Cardinals)- Someone finally knocks off Lou Gehrig in one of his seasons. Lou was pretty good in this group, but Orlando was better....even winning two batting titles. 2B- Joe Morgan (75 Reds)- Super easy choice....he was certainly in the running for MVP as well, but I went in another direction. Joe was one of the best though, for sure. 3B- Gregg Jefferies (88 Mets)- Here's your MVP...barely over Morgan. Jefferies is a real life "partial season player" who really excels here. He led the league in slugging every year and had a number of other awards and league leader titles.....plus his team was pretty dominant and he was a big reason why. SS- Honus Wagner (03 Pirates)- Honus is a close 3rd in the MVP voting. He just wasn't quite as dominant as his 1909 self in Group 1. OF- The big 3 are- Lou Brock (67 Cardinals), Ginger Beaumont (03 Pirates) and Fred Clarke (03) Pirates. This was probably one of the weaker OF groups we've had so far. Babe Ruth didn't really live up to expectations, despite a real life .373 BA with 46 HR. DH- Not a strong showing here either by anyone in particular, but I'll go with David Ortiz (03 Red Sox). He won a couple of Silver Sluggers as DH and no one else had more than one. SP- The two guys I chose for the top SP were Lefty Gomez (31 Yankees) and Bob Ojeda (88 Mets). Gomez was pretty dominant throughout, so he was a pretty easy choice. There were a few Mets pitchers in contention, but Ojeda won a Cy Young and led the league in WAR 3 times, so I went with him. RP- Jeff Innis (88 Mets)- He was terrific as another partial season guy for this Mets team. OK- here's the final group.....Group 10- 2004 Boston Red Sox 1939 New York Yankees 1971 Baltimore Orioles 1986 California Angels 2006 New York Yankees 1999 Houston Astros This group is a bit of a tossup for me. The 03 Red Sox didn't fare all that well, so I'm not sure if I should expect any better from the 2004 version. The Yankees as a whole haven't done well in this whole competition, especially the 1930's era teams. If one can change that however, it might be this 1939 team. A great offense led by DiMaggio and some of the best pitching I've seen on a Yankees team of this era. The 1969 Orioles are in the Top 10 already....and this team is similar with 4 20-game winners. The 86 Angels were a surprise team to get this far. Made up of a lot of stars late in their career, it will be fun to see if they have one more run in them. The 2006 Yankees already saw their 2007 counterparts eliminated and 2000's teams haven't done well so far....I don't expect much different here. Finally, the 1999 Astros are the only Astros team that made it this far. A team from the famous Bagwell/Biggio era, they have a good offense, but aside from a starter or two and Billy Wagner, the pitching probably isn't enough. __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879