Please Get Rid of Combinators

[daves]

Originally Posted by bailey

So, yeah, complaining about them is like complaining about death and taxes.

It's an election year, you need to answer your phone!

[RunninYakAngler]

I'm liking the combinators a little better today.

Pulled a 72 Roger Clemens Theme Week combinator. Put him up for 100k and he sold in 36 minutes. Guess I should've been a little greedier, but his ratings didn't look very good even at level 5, at least to me.

[biggerme]

I/ understand your frustration but in my opinion it’s really not in thousands of dollars, I did make a helper spreadsheet to calculate combi points to perfect points and you can really get price to reasonable levels
Example is doing 101 Adrian Beltre to level5 for 38465, that is doable by selling duplicates only or cards you don’t need

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by diamondgirl

I've played ootp forever, I will play 26, but this PT game is just not fun anymore.

I have come under unfortunate circumstances and cannot afford to spend thousands of dollars to upgrade my cards the same as seemingly everyone else in every tournament I play.

I realized what was happening in the iron/bronze/silver ranks early on. But now people have jacked up diamond teams.

whats the point in trying to play against them if you don't have combinators?

To be honest, I tried last week to build an iron team. I spent the 200,000 points i had AND BOUGHT $100 USD to top up.

Using combinators i already had, I managed to get 4 cards to level 1, 2 cards to level 2, and ONE card to LEVEL THREE. I lost the roll on 70%+ 3 times.

I think the game has swung so far beyond what EA sports does to you to win that its just not fun like it used to be.

Really really hoping this was a one-shot deal, realizing that it doesn't help with enjoyment of the game as a really amazing card collection gets mashed by thousand dollar teams.

Boy you hit the nail on the head.
If you don't have/use combinator cards your chance at winning at tournament (as everyone claims is the best way to acquire cards) which now is bunk is useless
I have so many other issues with OOTP gaming now I will 100% be looking for an alternative for next year. I have a couple in sight that look really promising & have even had conversion with those companies.
The content creation for PT is a mess, unless I have several/tons of thousands of dollars to spend. It's surely not for the common customer anymore. It's for the deep pockets customers. I've always found when a business in trouble they raise ways to get more money as most everyone in America feels the inflation. I've owned 2 businesses and knew when to not fight against my suppliers. Well I'm at that point now and these combinator cards & content creation. Some players have 3 cards & 2 of them are high cost cards while other players throughout history are omitted. Those 2 are the reason for me to look for another option.
26 years with this company has gone from fun to having a money gun pointed at your pocket book, but that's their decision to make
Bunktown Ballers

Just so disappointed with OOTP now since.........

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by biggerme

I/ understand your frustration but in my opinion it’s really not in thousands of dollars, I did make a helper spreadsheet to calculate combi points to perfect points and you can really get price to reasonable levels
Example is doing 101 Adrian Beltre to level5 for 38465, that is doable by selling duplicates only or cards you don’t need

Quit with these stupid spreadsheets trying explain to the many disgruntled customers who have spent thousands of $$$ trying to keep up. If I would make as many spreadsheets I see, I'd have no time to actually play OOTP.
Spreadsheets on for OOTP just shows something I will not say about this post. I just want an even playing field where making/using spreadsheets is not required to be successful at a freaking game.

[Fabtron7]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

Quit with these stupid spreadsheets trying explain to the many disgruntled customers who have spent thousands of $$$ trying to keep up. If I would make as many spreadsheets I see, I'd have no time to actually play OOTP.
Spreadsheets on for OOTP just shows something I will not say about this post. I just want an even playing field where making/using spreadsheets is not required to be successful at a freaking game.

Man that’s a pretty toxic post, even for you.

[biggerme]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

Quit with these stupid spreadsheets trying explain to the many disgruntled customers who have spent thousands of $$$ trying to keep up. If I would make as many spreadsheets I see, I'd have no time to actually play OOTP.
Spreadsheets on for OOTP just shows something I will not say about this post. I just want an even playing field where making/using spreadsheets is not required to be successful at a freaking game.

To that I agree, OOTP needs casual mode, where you don’t have to go through that hassle it’s just me who likes things likes this.
I played EVE Online for a long time and that was massive spreadsheet game to be anywhere competitive.

[daves]

Originally Posted by Fabtron7

Man that’s a pretty toxic post, even for you.

Are you still playing?

[daves]

The ratings are so crazy with new cards, the combinators are somewhat useless in league play. They can be effective in lower-level tournaments, but the ratings are changing for those cards also.

If you're lucky to pull a perfect combinator, the PP you get could be enormous.

[Kushiel]

It is all about the Benjamins for the past 2 years or so. They drop a bone to the masses and the elite don't like it; so, they take it away and publish Combinators. That is not as popular as they had hoped so now the card ratings go through the roof.

A certain Country recently held an election that was a moratorium on the elites there. Ownership here might start paying attention, if they want to slow the exodus. Even the Twitch Affiliates will feel the loss as their subscriptions begin to dwindle.

This is finally my last year as it is for some other long-time players. Probably there are players like me that feel abandoned and will not even buy the game at all next Spring.

[daves]

I generally don't win in PTCS but I can win some, but I was just swept in the 1st round by a team that had 22 combinators. I had a decent team with no combinators.

The field is definitely not level when it comes to PTCS tournaments.

[rburgh]

Play the live tourneys, play PD's. They seem to have tried to limit the effect of combis somewhat by having a very restricted player pool.

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by daves

I generally don't win in PTCS but I can win some, but I was just swept in the 1st round by a team that had 22 combinators. I had a decent team with no combinators.

The field is definitely not level when it comes to PTCS tournaments.

225K Packs?

The field is not level anywhere and zero attempt is made to show otherwise.

[daves]

Originally Posted by rburgh

Play the live tourneys, play PD's. They seem to have tried to limit the effect of combis somewhat by having a very restricted player pool.

Live tourneys are how I qualify for PTCS. Then I lose in the 1st round.

[diamondgirl]

Originally Posted by biggerme

I/ understand your frustration but in my opinion it’s really not in thousands of dollars, I did make a helper spreadsheet to calculate combi points to perfect points and you can really get price to reasonable levels
Example is doing 101 Adrian Beltre to level5 for 38465, that is doable by selling duplicates only or cards you don’t need

I get this idea. But to be honest, despite looking at this sheet, 40k points is not upgrading that card to level 5 guaranteed. Especially if you're using L10 prices.

As I mentioned, I literally spent 200k on 6 combinators. None made it to level 4. I lost the roll on 80% a couple times - there goes 50k+.

Tournament teams have 20 combinator cards at level 5. If you're doing that for less than $1000 dollars USD then congrats at beating the game, but never accomplishing anything with your base team.

Retire so the rest of us have a chance at a tourney or two.

[biggerme]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

Quit with these stupid spreadsheets trying explain to the many disgruntled customers who have spent thousands of $$$ trying to keep up. If I would make as many spreadsheets I see, I'd have no time to actually play OOTP.
Spreadsheets on for OOTP just shows something I will not say about this post. I just want an even playing field where making/using spreadsheets is not required to be successful at a freaking game.

I said that I do like to do those spreadsheets especially when it gives me information how to compare cards and at least some kind of advantage. This is a game which relies on ratings and probable outcomes, there are games which don’t rely on that and can be played without spreadsheets, like Candy Crush or Tetris

[daves]

Originally Posted by biggerme

I said that I do like to do those spreadsheets especially when it gives me information how to compare cards and at least some kind of advantage. This is a game which relies on ratings and probable outcomes, there are games which don’t rely on that and can be played without spreadsheets, like Candy Crush or Tetris

Wait. You have a spreadsheet that can help??

[biggerme]

Originally Posted by diamondgirl

I get this idea. But to be honest, despite looking at this sheet, 40k points is not upgrading that card to level 5 guaranteed. Especially if you're using L10 prices.

As I mentioned, I literally spent 200k on 6 combinators. None made it to level 4. I lost the roll on 80% a couple times - there goes 50k+.

Tournament teams have 20 combinator cards at level 5. If you're doing that for less than $1000 dollars USD then congrats at beating the game, but never accomplishing anything with your base team.

Retire so the rest of us have a chance at a tourney or two.

These were the L 10 prices 2 months ago and I placed quite a bunch of buy orders. You keep repeating thousands of dollars, how have you calculated cost of a Perfect Point? Did you use a spreadsheet?
And why don’t you retire yourself that was basically the idea of this rant

[diamondgirl]

Originally Posted by rburgh

Play the live tourneys, play PD's. They seem to have tried to limit the effect of combis somewhat by having a very restricted player pool.

"Be happy not losing at something else as often" isn't exactly a selling point

Why don't combinator players have their own tournaments? There are two daily tourneys that have NO combinators. It should be the other way around.

[diamondgirl]

Originally Posted by biggerme

These were the L 10 prices 2 months ago and I placed quite a bunch of buy orders. You keep repeating thousands of dollars, how have you calculated cost of a Perfect Point? Did you use a spreadsheet?
And why don’t you retire yourself that was basically the idea of this rant

why would I make a spreadsheet... I actually play. I'm not looking for an imaginary game I play in my head. If I need to make a spreadsheet just to gather cards in order to barely compete, they've hit the wrong audience.

I had 200,000 pp. Then I spent $100 and still only got 6 cards semi combined.

If someone has 20 combinators maxed out, they spent over $1000 USD. Guaranteed.