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[Waltercito]

Originally Posted by Rocco Del Sesto

I had not tried contacting boxrec about this. If you've dealt with correspondence with them and would know how to present the info to them I would very much appreciate that! Any info off this thread please feel free to send to them assuming you need to send to them.

Happy New Years also!!

Rocco

OK, thanks. I'll just post the evidence that you collected in Boxrec's Forum.

[Waltercito]

I showed the guys at boxrec the evidence you collected and both profiles have now been merged!


https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/136800

[Cap]

Just an FYI. I posted that headshot of Beattie to his Boxrec page. It came from a file I had from way back. Might have been from the Pugilistica Memorabilia website.

Cap

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Waltercito

I showed the guys at boxrec the evidence you collected and both profiles have now been merged!


https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/136800

Cool!! I'd just got on line this evening some and seen your note! I see they combined under the Babe Beattie spellage. I hope/wish I can run across something on line to give any indication how/why many articles I"m running across looking through the Gauvin records in 1936-37 you see Babe Beatty. There's two fights between Gauvin and Beatty in early 1937, not on the Babe Beattie list of fights. An interesting mystery to keep looking at!

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Cap

Just an FYI. I posted that headshot of Beattie to his Boxrec page. It came from a file I had from way back. Might have been from the Pugilistica Memorabilia website.

Cap

Thanks Cap!

[Rocco Del Sesto]

The Continuing Jumbo Gauvin Saga.....

Wed, Aug 05, 1936 The Newport Daily Express - Reports that local boxing promoter, Ray Sisco has signed Jumbo Gauvin to meet Jack Reneault, former Canadian Heavyweight champion who last fought in 1933, when Reneault starts a comeback at Newport on August 27. This comeback fight for Renault and Gauvin ends up not taking place.

Tue, Aug 25, 1936, The Caledonian-Record, St. Johnsbury, VT - Reports that the Renault comeback against Jumbo Gauvin scheduled to take place that Thursday was canceled due to a leg injury suffered by Renault in training.

Sat, Dec 26, 1936, Star Weekly, Toronto, Canada - An article mentioning Oliver Shanks in part of the contect of it mentions Shanks having knocked out Jumbo Gauvin in two rounds at Burlington Vt. Does not mention any date. Only record of any kind found for the BoxRec entry of Jumbo Gauvin vs Oliver Shanks fight dated 10/3/36 at Burlington.

Found in some online newspapers is an account of a fight Gauvin had with Babe Beatty.

Tue, Feb 16, 1937 and Sat Feb 20, 1937, The Newport Daily Express, VT - Jumbo Gauvin "of Orleans" this article states presenting the fight to be coming up on Newport boxing promoter Dave Sisco's upcoming fight show. Jumbo Gauvin is presented as the heavyweight champ of Vermont. Says that Gauvin and Babe Beatty who Gauvin is to fight are two of the very popular boxers in the area. The article on the 16th states Gauvin "of Fort Ethan Allen".

Fri, Feb 26, 1937, The Caledonian-Record, St. Johnsbury, VT - Light heavweight champion Babe Beatty stopped Jumbo Gauvin in the 4th round of a scheduled 10 rounder. At the outset of the fight, Beatty showed being aggressively cautious but the better boxer. Beatty trailed Gauvin of Fort Ethan Allen about the ring staying clear of a fast left that Gauvin would deliver on occasion. Beatty kept up the same tactics in the second outpointing Gauvin. The third round was pretty even, but then in the fourth, Beatty delivered a right hook to Gauvin's jaw that left him groggy. As Gauvin wondered over to the opposit corner, Beatty planted another. Leaning back clutching the top rope, Gauvin left himself open to lefts and rights from Beatty and eventually he dropped to the canvas in a puddle of blood from his nose.

Fri, Apr 16, 1937, The Caledonian-Record, St. Jouhnsbury, VT - It what was being billed a "grudge" rematch fight between Jumbo Gauvin, 190 lbs and Babe Beatty, 170 lbs that might go the distance at the state Armory Thursday night. About 1200-1500 fight fans through were shocked by the sudden and dramatic end of the fight in only 1 min - 43 seconds! At the start of the bell, Gauvin quickly lumbered in to the Beatty. "Beaty got in a pair of light lefts before Gauvin started his haymakers", but Beatty was able to duck under the wild swings. Then the unexpected happened when Beatty's left caught Gauvin in his windpipe that was reported sore before the fight from thier previous bout. Gauvin went down for a count of nine just twenty eight seconds after the opening bell. Gauvin made it up, but Beatty forced Gauvin into a corner and jabed the left into the neck two or three more times. A right then caught Jumbo's jaw and he went down near the ropes. Before the count was up, Gauvin told his seconds that he was unable to continue.

[Cap]

One more item of interest.

Cap

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Cap

One more item of interest.

Cap

Nice! Thanks Cap. Yep that's the Al McCoy (Florand Lebrasseur) fight in 1932, Oct 2nd. Beattie flagged as from St Pierre de Broughton, (Birthplace as BoxRec shows?) Once I get done with Gauvin, who I want to finish it will be interesting to dig back into Beattie / Beatty. Really got me side tracked but this is the really interesting kind of stuff to be able to dig up about the boxers of the long ago bygone days.

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Going forwards in months 1937 for Jumbo Gauvin and came across this article about a fight Babe Beattie against a Leo Asselin. First thing of note this fight is not in the BoxRec data list for Beattie. Second thing you'll see in the article it talks about Beatties two fights with Jumbo Gauvin. The newspaper articles discussing those Gauvin fights spelled Babe's name Beatty! So some more proof verifying Beattie and Beatty were the same fighter. Once I finish Gauvin I'll go back to Beattie/Beatty and see what other fights I find for him and maybe some info on why the two different name spellings. This article is from the Newport Daily Express dated Fri, Jul 30 1937.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Jumbo Gauvin fights on through Feb 1938......

Sat, Jul 31, 1937, The Burlington Free Press, Vt - Jumbo Gauvin defeated Nick Mazzola, 185 in 10 rounds the last evening before a crowd of 400 at the Memorial Auditorium. "Gauvin staggered Mazzola with a right in the third round, tossed in body punches and left hooks to take the fifth and floored Mazzola twice for nine counts in the sixth". Article ends saying Mazzola was so exhausted in the eighth hat he fell out of the ring! A short piece on the fight in the Burlington Daily News noted Gauvin was awarded the decision at the end of the 10 rounds.

Tue, Nov 30, 1937, Burlington Daily News, VT - Jumbo Gauvin defeated Nick Mazzola at the Fort Ethan Allen Riding Post Monday evening. Gauvin was awarded a 3 round decision.

Sat, Feb 26, 1938, Burlington Daily News, VT - 2000 fans at the Riding Hall, Fort Ethan Allen watched as a new Post heavyweight champion was crowned Friday night. First round of fights saw Ernest (Jumbo) Gauvin, knocked out Nick Mazzola after less than two minutes in the first round with Gauvin landing a series of lefts and rights to Mazzola's head. So this is a third fight at least with Nick Mazzola that I'm beginning to think maybe is the Bat Mazzola BoxRec shows of the two fights they currently show for Jumbo Gauvin. Check into that more later. Think this was the second occasion in a newspaper fight report that Ernest (Jumbo) Gauvin was how he was presented in the article. Maybe helps confirm his real name as Ernest Gauvin.

Sat, Feb 26, 1938, Burlington Daily News, VT - In the final match of the night, Gauvin fought Everett Hay of Headquarters Battery, 1st Battalion for the post championship. Gauvin could not withstand Hay's barrage of punches. Gauvin was knocked through the ropes in the second round but made it back into the ring. In the fifth round Gauvin was knocked against the ropes and the top line of the ropes broke stopping the fight for about 10 minutes. The fight continued on through to the final 6th round with Gauvin taking most of the beating. The judges decision awarded the bout and heavyweight post title to Everett Hay.

[Cap]

Originally Posted by Rocco Del Sesto

Going forwards in months 1937 for Jumbo Gauvin and came across this article about a fight Babe Beattie against a Leo Asselin. First thing of note this fight is not in the BoxRec data list for Beattie. Second thing you'll see in the article it talks about Beatties two fights with Jumbo Gauvin. The newspaper articles discussing those Gauvin fights spelled Babe's name Beatty! So some more proof verifying Beattie and Beatty were the same fighter. Once I finish Gauvin I'll go back to Beattie/Beatty and see what other fights I find for him and maybe some info on why the two different name spellings. This article is from the Newport Daily Express dated Fri, Jul 30 1937.

Rocco if you give me the exact location of the fight (Was it in Newport, Rhode Island?) and other details I can enter it and any others into Beattie's Boxrec record. I've just added the July 30 and Nov 28 fights to Gauvin's record. Did he fight twice on February 26, 1938?

Cap

[Cap]

Originally Posted by Rocco Del Sesto

The Continuing Jumbo Gauvin Saga.....


Sat, Dec 26, 1936, Star Weekly, Toronto, Canada - An article mentioning Oliver Shanks in part of the contect of it mentions Shanks having knocked out Jumbo Gauvin in two rounds at Burlington Vt. Does not mention any date. Only record of any kind found for the BoxRec entry of Jumbo Gauvin vs Oliver Shanks fight dated 10/3/36 at Burlington.

Found in some online newspapers is an account of a fight Gauvin had with Babe Beatty.

Tue, Feb 16, 1937 and Sat Feb 20, 1937, The Newport Daily Express, VT - Jumbo Gauvin "of Orleans" this article states presenting the fight to be coming up on Newport boxing promoter Dave Sisco's upcoming fight show. Jumbo Gauvin is presented as the heavyweight champ of Vermont. Says that Gauvin and Babe Beatty who Gauvin is to fight are two of the very popular boxers in the area. The article on the 16th states Gauvin "of Fort Ethan Allen".

Fri, Feb 26, 1937, The Caledonian-Record, St. Johnsbury, VT - Light heavyweight champion Babe Beatty stopped Jumbo Gauvin in the 4th round of a scheduled 10 rounder. At the outset of the fight, Beatty showed being aggressively cautious but the better boxer. Beatty trailed Gauvin of Fort Ethan Allen about the ring staying clear of a fast left that Gauvin would deliver on occasion. Beatty kept up the same tactics in the second outpointing Gauvin. The third round was pretty even, but then in the fourth, Beatty delivered a right hook to Gauvin's jaw that left him groggy. As Gauvin wondered over to the opposit corner, Beatty planted another. Leaning back clutching the top rope, Gauvin left himself open to lefts and rights from Beatty and eventually he dropped to the canvas in a puddle of blood from his nose.

Fri, Apr 16, 1937, The Caledonian-Record, St. Jouhnsbury, VT - It what was being billed a "grudge" rematch fight between Jumbo Gauvin, 190 lbs and Babe Beatty, 170 lbs that might go the distance at the state Armory Thursday night. About 1200-1500 fight fans through were shocked by the sudden and dramatic end of the fight in only 1 min - 43 seconds! At the start of the bell, Gauvin quickly lumbered in to the Beatty. "Beaty got in a pair of light lefts before Gauvin started his haymakers", but Beatty was able to duck under the wild swings. Then the unexpected happened when Beatty's left caught Gauvin in his windpipe that was reported sore before the fight from thier previous bout. Gauvin went down for a count of nine just twenty eight seconds after the opening bell. Gauvin made it up, but Beatty forced Gauvin into a corner and jabed the left into the neck two or three more times. A right then caught Jumbo's jaw and he went down near the ropes. Before the count was up, Gauvin told his seconds that he was unable to continue.

Are we sure about the highlighted dates above? Apparently Babe Beattie was fighting a Bill Ferguson on February 26, 1937 (According to Boxrec and Matt Tegan) Beattie was fighting the same Bill Ferguson of Maine in Maine on April 22nd, 1937.

Cap

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Cap

Are we sure about the highlighted dates above? Apparently Babe Beattie was fighting a Bill Ferguson on February 26, 1937 (According to Boxrec and Matt Tegan) Beattie was fighting the same Bill Ferguson of Maine in Maine on April 22nd, 1937.

Cap

Yep, I think I'd seen some confusing things involving Bill Ferguson. I'll dig into it more once I go back and look more again at Beattie but here are some notes I made in my Beattie file that I'd started. The Fri, Mar 5, 1937 article in the Newport Daily Express explain Ferguson fighting both both Babe Beatty and then Gauvin?

Fri, Feb 26, 1937, The Bangor Daily News, Maine - Report of Bill Ferguson, Portland heavyweight boxer to fight two bouts in five days. The article, dated Feb 25 says "tomorrow night Ferguson will meet Babe Beatty of Sherbrooke at Berlin, N.H.". Appears to be the Beattie vs Ferguson fight listed by BoxRec on 2/26/1937. In the Feb 26, 1937 Portland Press Herald, it was reported the Ferguson-Beatty fight was a late hour switch by Promotor Louis Roy for his City Hall Auditorium in Berlin, N.H.

Numerous newspapers with the short 1-2 line result report on boxing matches listed Babe Beatty of Sherbrooke, Que, at a 172 fight weight knocking out Billie Ferguson of Portlant, 191 lbs. The Saturday, Feb 27, 1937 The Lewiston Daily Sun's account of the fight placed Beatty's fight weight at the 182-1/2 that BoxRec shows. This fight account notes Ferguson was down for a count of eight in the fourth, then was knocked out by Beatty in the fourth.

Fri, Mar 5, 1937, The Newport Daily Express, VT - Article noted how Babe Beatty, Quebec's light heavyweight champ, "must be a man of iron." It's mentioned how after Beatty had fought his triumphant bout against Jumbo Gauvin, Beatty, "with only a few hours sleep" set over to Berlin, N.H. the following night, "potted his opponent 21 pounts and again he scored a kayo in the fourth round, the victim being Billie Ferguson, 191 of Portland, Me." So this seems to validate the Feb 25th win over Gauvin and then the next day beating Ferguson. Also that Beatty's weight was around the 170-172 lbs. Not sure why then the 182-1/2 list by that Lewiston Daily Sun article and BoxRec.
The Sat. Feb 27, 1937 The Montreal Star added 700 fans in attendence for the Boxing Card in Berlin, N.H.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Cap

Rocco if you give me the exact location of the fight (Was it in Newport, Rhode Island?) and other details I can enter it and any others into Beattie's Boxrec record. I've just added the July 30 and Nov 28 fights to Gauvin's record. Did he fight twice on February 26, 1938?

Cap

Sorry Cap I missed this message. I see where you entered the fights on Gauvin's record. Which fight are you asking for it's location?
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Cap

Rocco if you give me the exact location of the fight (Was it in Newport, Rhode Island?) and other details I can enter it and any others into Beattie's Boxrec record. I've just added the July 30 and Nov 28 fights to Gauvin's record. Did he fight twice on February 26, 1938?

Cap

The Feb 26, 1938 Gauvin fights here is a run down of those two fights on the same day...
Sat, Feb 26, 1938, Burlington Daily News, VT - 2000 fans at the Riding Hall, Fort Ethan Allen watched as a new Post heavyweight champion was crowned Friday night. First round of fights saw Ernest (Jumbo) Gauvin, knocked out Nick Mazzola after less than two minutes in the first round with Gauvin landing a series of lefts and rights to Mazzola's head. So this is a third fight at least with Nick Mazzola that I'm beginning to think maybe is the Bat Mazzola BoxRec shows of the two fights they currently show for Jumbo Gauvin. Check into that more later. Think this was the second occasion in a newspaper fight report that Ernest (Jumbo) Gauvin was how he was presented in the article. Maybe helps confirm his real name as Ernest Gauvin.

Sat, Feb 26, 1938, Burlington Daily News, VT - In the final match of the night, Gauvin fought Everett Hay of Headquarters Battery, 1st Battalion for the post championship. Gauvin could not withstand Hay's barrage of punches. Gauvin was knocked through the ropes in the second round but made it back into the ring. In the fifth round Gauvin was knocked against the ropes and the top line of the ropes broke stopping the fight for about 10 minutes. The fight continued on through to the final 6th round with Gauvin taking most of the beating. The judges decision awarded the bout and heavyweight post title to Everett Hay.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Continuing Jumbo Gauvin career search.....

After the two fights on Feb 26, 1938 and loosing his Fort Ethan Allen post heavyweight title to Everett Hay, found two fights for Gauvin in May and then nothing till Dec 8, 1939, yes 1939, against a Tom Butowicz as part of a Roscoe Toles vs Charley Belanger fight card. Note with this now discovered a second data base entry in BoxRec for Gauvin under his real name, Ernest Gauvin.

Sat, May 14, 1938, The Burlington Free Press, VT - Jumbo Gauvin wins by TKO over Everett Hay Friday night, to regain his Fort Ethan Allen post heavyweight title. Hay was put down on the canvas in the fifth round when the bell rang ending the 5th during the count. Hay was unable to continue in the sixth and Gauvin thus awarded the TKO victory. Guavin used and excellent right hand punch and an improved left jab to beat Hay with. The Burlington Daily News reported 1600 fans on hand for the matches at the riding hall at Fort Ethan Allen.

Sat, May 28, 1938, Burlington Daily News, VT - In a bout at the Fort Ethan Allen Riding Ring before about 1400 fight fans, Ernest (Jumbo) Gauvin, Battery D won an easy decision over Battling Shepard of the Quartermaster Corps in the scheduled 6 rounder.

Fri, Dec 08, 1939, The Saginaw News, Michigan - At the Armory, Bay City, Michigan as part of the undercard to the Main Event, Roscoe Toles vs Charley Belanger, Ernest (Jumbo Gauvin (this report says Portland, Me not sure why, just incorrect info), looses by 5th round TKO to Tom Butowicz, Detroit heavyweight. Gauvin was floored twice and appeared helpless on the ropes when referee George McMullen stopped the fight. Found in the Event details of this fight Card looking at it from Roscoe Toles data, that this Butowitz / Gauvin fight is shown but it shows Ernest Gauvin with this being debut fight. So we have a seperate fighter entry in BoxRec for Ernest Gauvin showing only this fight, and then what there is so far under Jumbo Gauvin. The Bay City Times out of Bay City, Michigan on Dec 08, 1938 notes the 1:10 time that BoxRec shows. Also uses the Ernest (Jumbo) Gauvin name for Jumbo. So that would appear to be the newspaper info used in the current BoxRec listing of this fight.

[Waltercito]

Originally Posted by Cap

Just an FYI. I posted that headshot of Beattie to his Boxrec page. It came from a file I had from way back. Might have been from the Pugilistica Memorabilia website.

Cap

Thanks, Cap! Intersting to see these old fights uncovered. Jumbo Gauvin sees to have a lot more fights under his belt too.


Edit: Oh, I see, you updated his profile already. Nice!

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Continuing Jumbo Gauvin career search.....

Going through to double check the fight entries I've found and see what Gauvin's record accumulates to. Discovered a new fight very early in his career along with a great photo of him in a 1935 Bio Article of sorts very early in his career. This article I found searching Ernest Gauvin. I think this article helps to validate his approximate date of birth in 1913 and place of birth as Springfield, Mass it stating he was age 14 when starting to work for a company in his home town. I also found an early fight record looking for his opponent and found the article spelling Gauvin's name as Kayo Gouval??!! So I'm learning that it takes trying different possible spellings of a name or search their opponent name to find fight records in these old newspapers. Here is a bit of that bio article in late 1935 on Gauvin that included a real nice photo, attaching a close up to use in the game and the full photo.
Thur Dec 26, 1935 The Burlington Free Press in a pretty lengthly bio, gives Ernest F. Gauvin (first time seen full name) age as 22, a Pvt. in the Army at Fort Ethan Allen with the Battery "D" Seventh Artillery. Gives his height at 6 ft and weight at the time at 196, 34 inch waist and 43 inch chest. It mentions here Gauvin having won each of his three local fights by knockout over Leo Paul, Butch Barkan and Jim Willoby. Wood chopping he did which developed the size and strength in his back and arms, good for boxing. At age 14 he started working in a cold storage room for a company in his home town of Springfield, Mass. After two years of that he turned to truck driving, then in the winter of 1929 he went north to try out wood chopping. His growing talents in wood cutting, led him into the 191st Civilian Conservation Corps where he won the State Wood chopping championship in 1934. This was in Vermont. Later he won the New England championship against a large field at Mechanics hall in Boston. Fighting first interested Gauvin during his time with the C.C.C. at Waterbury, Vt. The article describes Gauvin as "fast on his feet and carrying a bone crushing pumpch in either hand." Gauving left the C.C.C and enlisted at Fort Ethan Allen. No date given for when he joined.
Assuming the age of 22 at the time of this Bio article in late December 1935, it would put his date of birth sometime in 1913.

[Cap]

Weird. I've been trying to enter new bouts for Gauvin, but Boxrec won't let me. Must be some bug in the system today, because it worked a charm yesterday.

(Tried to add a photo just now and got a message the site is undergoing maintenance.)

Cap

[Waltercito]

Found him on Find a grave


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...francis-gauvin