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Spritze · 06-04-2016, 09:08 AM

Even though I usually get players on teams, upon close review they are not the players who should be there. With no draft players are supposed to be assigned to their real life team and this is no longer happening. Hence the empty leagues. It used to work that way and no longer does.

Bug reported.

Spritze · 06-05-2016, 04:11 PM

Figured this out. At least I can recreate the challenge and fix it.

When minor league reserve rosters are hidden (which seems to be a new default) the PCL active rosters remain empty. If you unhide the reserve rosters players magically appear.

Unhiding a single reserve roster on any team unhides them all at every level.

Part 2 of this is to check and see if the players are the correct ones. But it's a start.

David Watts · 06-05-2016, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritze

Figured this out. At least I can recreate the challenge and fix it.

When minor league reserve rosters are hidden (which seems to be a new default) the PCL active rosters remain empty. If you unhide the reserve rosters players magically appear.

Unhiding a single reserve roster on any team unhides them all at every level.

Part 2 of this is to check and see if the players are the correct ones. But it's a start.

I'm still not getting the results you are, but I have managed to get more PCL teams with players. I was able to get it where all but 2 PCL teams have players. By 1923, all teams have players. Like you said, I'm not sure if the players are on the right teams, but at least progress is being made.

David Watts · 06-05-2016, 06:35 PM

So, if you limit minor league rosters to active 25, the minor league teams have reserve rosters. Is there any reason why we can't limit roster size for minor league teams? Wouldn't this leave more players for the MLB to sign and carry on their reserve rosters? I have looked and looked, but can't find a place to limit minor league rosters. All I can find is a way to limit active roster size.

Spritze · 06-05-2016, 06:41 PM

The Texas League teams can have a great many players on their reserve rosters. One thing to do would be to let them go and the rest of your PCL should be full. Plus the game retires many 20-25 year olds and unretiring them frees up even more players.

David Watts · 06-05-2016, 07:25 PM

Wanted to see if having a draft would get players to the PCL any faster. It did. But, I'm seeing other issues now. Guys like Lou Gehrig getting drafted by the Yankees on draft day 12/15/1920 and then released by the Yankees on Christmas day and immediately signed by the San Francisco Seals. Kiki Cuyler signed by the Braves 12/15/1920 and released on 12/25/1920. Cuyler was then signed by the Pirates in January of 1921. So, having a draft does assure the PCL and Texas league are staffed, it just introduces a wacky sign and release problem.

David Watts · 06-05-2016, 07:50 PM

So in the test league I set up without a draft, Lou Gehrig has vanished into thin air. Today today today I think he is the unluckiest man on earth, but since he can't be found if you push him over in the woods would he make a sound? UGH

Spritze · 06-05-2016, 10:33 PM

Lou and Elvis both went to the same place, just in different decades. Venushed to another plane of existence.

This challenge joined the bug reports a week or so ago. Players do not seem to be joining their IRL team for their minor league rookie year when it is appropriate.

I do realize they are often in a MLB organization already but surely some should be available.

LanceS · 06-06-2016, 11:56 AM

E.g. Arlie Latham appears 5x; was signed by the Phillies, Superbas, & 3x by the White Sox.

Thanx for the help,

Lance

Spritze · 06-06-2016, 12:16 PM

1901 is not involved in the historical minors but I did make a 1901 test league and I only have a lonely 1x Arlie Latham Maytag man. I have no idea why you got five.

LanceS · 06-06-2016, 06:26 PM

I figured it out; the mistake was mine.

Cobbiusto · 06-06-2016, 08:15 PM

Lefty O'Doull's historical fielding info only includes his early years as a failed relief pitcher (1919-1923) and not his later outfield numbers (1928-1934) when he was a dominating hitter in the National League. This usually results in him being let go at an early age without the opportunity to terrorize opposing pitchers as he would if he could be inserted into the outfield.

Thanks for a fantastic game.

LanceS · 06-06-2016, 10:12 PM

In that case start your replay in '28.

Spritze · 06-06-2016, 11:46 PM

He will switch positions automagically unless he gets retired first. You can unretire him if necessary.

Cobbiusto · 06-07-2016, 03:54 AM

He won't switch positions because there is no historical record of him playing another position. The batting statistics are there but not the fielding ones. I can go in and edit his position but at the end of the year the game switches him back to pitcher, sends him back to the minors and you have to do it again. I am assuming this is just an oversight/bug in the database that game designers would wish to fix and that this was the correct forum to post in. . Thanks for the quick responses.

Spritze · 06-07-2016, 07:39 AM

In my MLB only career game from 1928 to 1934 he plays the OF (with fielding records)
From 1919 to 1923 he is a pitcher
From 1924-1927 He does not appear very often and has no IRL record for those years

He is in the minor league fielding database from 1917-1956

What type of game is this happening in?

Cobbiusto · 06-07-2016, 03:15 PM

I am running a historical simulation from 1901 on that imports rookies from random years. When I look at real life stats for any ball player I am able to also view his career real life fielding stats as well. I had thought that since those OF stats were not showing up under real life fielding for Lefty that they were missing from the database. If you can get them to show under other conditions then its not really a problem. I can do a workaround for my league. I just thought I might have found an error in the database that could be corrected. If that info is already there and simply not showing in my game, don't worry about it. I just changed his position at the end of each year and everything went fine. I appreciate all the time and effort spent addressing my post. I am a new poster but frequent reader of these boards and I appreciate all you do for the community here.

Spritze · 06-07-2016, 03:21 PM

Must be the gap along with the random that creates this issue. Probably will happen with all the gappers who gap.

Elysian Fields · 06-09-2016, 11:10 AM

Cobb imports having been born in Narrows, VA. He was born in Narrows, GA. I change it to Royston, GA his hometown and where he first played baseball, and is buried. No Narrows, GA exists.

Willie Mays birth town of Westfield, AL doesn't exist either and he imports having been born in Westfield, MA. I changed it to Fairfield, AL the nearest Alabama town. Westfield, AL is no longer a designated incorporation today.

Eddie Collins doesn't import with a birthplace. His birthplace doesn't exist, but he grew up in Tarrytown, NY and it is in the game.

Tris Speaker imports having been born in Hubbard, OH. He was born in Hubbard, TX.

I imagine I'll find more of these things, and will report back as I find some issues. I don't really care that this is what is happening, but I thought you guys should know.

Spritze · 06-09-2016, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

Any idea when the fix will be made so all infielders aren't rated 50 for fielding?

Not a bug.

As BBref does not include fielding stats for an abundance of players they all start with average skills. I will alter this default a bit by giving players on first place teams better skills than players on last place teams. I think the place to do this would be in the fielding ratings? I could also change the stats in the same way. Actually maybe both?

I will endeavor to look up these missing stats in the Spalding and Reach baseball guides but that will take many years as they need to happen one by one.

06-04-2016, 09:08 AM	#421
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Even though I usually get players on teams, upon close review they are not the players who should be there. With no draft players are supposed to be assigned to their real life team and this is no longer happening. Hence the empty leagues. It used to work that way and no longer does. Bug reported. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-05-2016, 04:11 PM	#422
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Figured this out. At least I can recreate the challenge and fix it. When minor league reserve rosters are hidden (which seems to be a new default) the PCL active rosters remain empty. If you unhide the reserve rosters players magically appear. Unhiding a single reserve roster on any team unhides them all at every level. Part 2 of this is to check and see if the players are the correct ones. But it's a start. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-05-2016, 06:35 PM	#424
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,549 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	So, if you limit minor league rosters to active 25, the minor league teams have reserve rosters. Is there any reason why we can't limit roster size for minor league teams? Wouldn't this leave more players for the MLB to sign and carry on their reserve rosters? I have looked and looked, but can't find a place to limit minor league rosters. All I can find is a way to limit active roster size. Last edited by David Watts; 06-05-2016 at 06:38 PM.

06-05-2016, 06:41 PM	#425
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	The Texas League teams can have a great many players on their reserve rosters. One thing to do would be to let them go and the rest of your PCL should be full. Plus the game retires many 20-25 year olds and unretiring them frees up even more players. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-05-2016, 10:33 PM	#428
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Lou and Elvis both went to the same place, just in different decades. Venushed to another plane of existence. This challenge joined the bug reports a week or so ago. Players do not seem to be joining their IRL team for their minor league rookie year when it is appropriate. I do realize they are often in a MLB organization already but surely some should be available. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-05-2016, 07:25 PM	#426
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,549 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Wanted to see if having a draft would get players to the PCL any faster. It did. But, I'm seeing other issues now. Guys like Lou Gehrig getting drafted by the Yankees on draft day 12/15/1920 and then released by the Yankees on Christmas day and immediately signed by the San Francisco Seals. Kiki Cuyler signed by the Braves 12/15/1920 and released on 12/25/1920. Cuyler was then signed by the Pirates in January of 1921. So, having a draft does assure the PCL and Texas league are staffed, it just introduces a wacky sign and release problem.

06-05-2016, 07:50 PM	#427
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,549 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	So in the test league I set up without a draft, Lou Gehrig has vanished into thin air. Today today today I think he is the unluckiest man on earth, but since he can't be found if you push him over in the woods would he make a sound? UGH

06-06-2016, 11:56 AM	#429
LanceS Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 37	1901 Free Agents Appear Multiple Times E.g. Arlie Latham appears 5x; was signed by the Phillies, Superbas, & 3x by the White Sox. Thanx for the help, Lance

06-06-2016, 12:16 PM	#430
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	1901 is not involved in the historical minors but I did make a 1901 test league and I only have a lonely 1x Arlie Latham Maytag man. I have no idea why you got five. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-06-2016, 06:26 PM	#431
LanceS Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 37	I figured it out; the mistake was mine.

06-06-2016, 08:15 PM	#432
Cobbiusto Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 300	Lefty O'Doull Lefty O'Doull's historical fielding info only includes his early years as a failed relief pitcher (1919-1923) and not his later outfield numbers (1928-1934) when he was a dominating hitter in the National League. This usually results in him being let go at an early age without the opportunity to terrorize opposing pitchers as he would if he could be inserted into the outfield. Thanks for a fantastic game.

06-06-2016, 10:12 PM	#433
LanceS Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 37	In that case start your replay in '28.

06-06-2016, 11:46 PM	#434
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	He will switch positions automagically unless he gets retired first. You can unretire him if necessary. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-07-2016, 03:54 AM	#435
Cobbiusto Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 300	He won't switch positions because there is no historical record of him playing another position. The batting statistics are there but not the fielding ones. I can go in and edit his position but at the end of the year the game switches him back to pitcher, sends him back to the minors and you have to do it again. I am assuming this is just an oversight/bug in the database that game designers would wish to fix and that this was the correct forum to post in. . Thanks for the quick responses.

06-07-2016, 07:39 AM	#436
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	In my MLB only career game from 1928 to 1934 he plays the OF (with fielding records) From 1919 to 1923 he is a pitcher From 1924-1927 He does not appear very often and has no IRL record for those years He is in the minor league fielding database from 1917-1956 What type of game is this happening in? __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it! Last edited by Spritze; 06-07-2016 at 08:01 AM.

06-07-2016, 03:15 PM	#437
Cobbiusto Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 300	I am running a historical simulation from 1901 on that imports rookies from random years. When I look at real life stats for any ball player I am able to also view his career real life fielding stats as well. I had thought that since those OF stats were not showing up under real life fielding for Lefty that they were missing from the database. If you can get them to show under other conditions then its not really a problem. I can do a workaround for my league. I just thought I might have found an error in the database that could be corrected. If that info is already there and simply not showing in my game, don't worry about it. I just changed his position at the end of each year and everything went fine. I appreciate all the time and effort spent addressing my post. I am a new poster but frequent reader of these boards and I appreciate all you do for the community here.

06-07-2016, 03:21 PM	#438
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Must be the gap along with the random that creates this issue. Probably will happen with all the gappers who gap. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-09-2016, 11:10 AM	#439
Elysian Fields Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 484	Birthplaces for some Hall of Famers Cobb imports having been born in Narrows, VA. He was born in Narrows, GA. I change it to Royston, GA his hometown and where he first played baseball, and is buried. No Narrows, GA exists. Willie Mays birth town of Westfield, AL doesn't exist either and he imports having been born in Westfield, MA. I changed it to Fairfield, AL the nearest Alabama town. Westfield, AL is no longer a designated incorporation today. Eddie Collins doesn't import with a birthplace. His birthplace doesn't exist, but he grew up in Tarrytown, NY and it is in the game. Tris Speaker imports having been born in Hubbard, OH. He was born in Hubbard, TX. I imagine I'll find more of these things, and will report back as I find some issues. I don't really care that this is what is happening, but I thought you guys should know.