Historical MLB/Minors roster and db issues go here - Page 24

Spritze · 06-14-2016, 11:23 AM

Anything you see, fake (for now) stats or not are used in the game.

I don't get all 50's in my test game. I get a range from 20-60 with most players 40-55.

If absolutely every player is always a 50 you may have a challenge with your particular game setup.

BTW: You may prefer the 1-100 ratings scale to get more visible variation.

swampdragon · 06-14-2016, 12:13 PM

In the 1919 Texas League, players playing their principal position get numbers on a 1-100 scale of 48-51. If they're out of position, it goes down. It's not my game or my setup, which is as vanilla as it's possible to be. The game simply isn't using those stats on import.

My hypothesis, which could easily be wrong, is that the minor league database is taken straight from BB Ref and that you added the real life fielding stats showing in the game without changing the fielding fields in the database (now there's a phrase) used for import. That would explain what I'm seeing in the game. Or it could be something else. Without knowing the import formulas or the makeup of the database, I really don't know.

The Texas League outfielders briefly used the same formula as the major leagues in Patch 54, but that is back where it was. The infielders never did.

bwburke94 · 06-15-2016, 12:28 PM

On 17.9 beta, the draft order still hasn't been corrected for the Ian Desmond signing. Should be fairly easy to fix, but it's not the standard roster-team fare.

Spritze · 06-15-2016, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

I really don't know.

Neither do I.

This may be a reoccurrence of an old issue concerning a players first year that was fixed a while ago. Markus said he set everybody to average on purpose then but later fixed it to use year one fielding

It could be it got either advertently or inadvertently unfixed.

I note that by 1920 these ratings get more spread and by 1921 are pretty normal.

Spritze · 06-15-2016, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94

On 17.9 beta, the draft order still hasn't been corrected for the Ian Desmond signing. Should be fairly easy to fix, but it's not the standard roster-team fare.

This is a rooster team challenge.

Lukas Berger · 06-15-2016, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

This is a rooster team challenge.

Actually, it's a Markus thing.

Elysian Fields · 06-15-2016, 09:37 PM

Frank Smith imports into the game with the nickname "Nig". He was known as "the Piano Maker". Cheers!

David Watts · 06-16-2016, 08:57 AM

Just wanted to say I messed around a little last night with historical/historical minors and I found Lou Gehrig. As stated before, he shows up in 1921 when you do a amateur draft league. It looks like when you have the draft turned off, he doesn't appear until 1923 and ends up where he rightly belongs as part of the Yankees. The reason I wasn't seeing him was he doesn't show up on the MLB player register until the season starts. I was checking during preseason 1923. So, he has risen......or in otherwords I was wrong.

This is pre new patch. I have Steam

One thing to note. I'm still getting an empty PCL, even when setting active minor league rosters to 25. Takes till around 1923 for the PCL to get populated.

I think I will just start in 1921 when the I finally get to load this fielding fix patch.

Spritze · 06-16-2016, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Elysian Fields

Frank Smith imports into the game with the nickname "Nig". He was known as "the Piano Maker". Cheers!

Changed

Spritze · 06-16-2016, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

One thing to note. I'm still getting an empty PCL, even when setting active minor league rosters to 25. Takes till around 1923 for the PCL to get populated.

I think I will just start in 1921 when the I finally get to load this fielding fix patch.

I have given up on the Fielding Ratings ever getting fixed and why you don't get PCL players and I do. They have both been bug reported though.

David Watts · 06-16-2016, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

I have given up on the Fielding Ratings ever getting fixed and why you don't get PCL players and I do. They have both been bug reported though.

My main concern is that the MLB guys have fielding rating similar to earlier versions of the game or like the MLB guys from 1955 on. I've been playing 1974 the last few days. Played against Baltimore and Brooks Robinson and Mark Belanger were both 75's. out 80. That's what I'm hoping for in this last patch.

One other thing I noticed last night. In one of the tests I set up, I forgot to disable the 40 man roster thingy. Babe Ruth ended up having a monster 1921 season and then he was picked up in the rule 5 draft by the Phillies. What a steal. That's why I've never been a fan of that 40 man roster thingy.. I even turn it off when I play modern.

David Watts · 06-16-2016, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

I have given up on the Fielding Ratings ever getting fixed and why you don't get PCL players and I do. They have both been bug reported though.

I actually think what may be happening in my game is the MLB teams are signing up/hoarding/and or getting a lot of the guys that would be in the Texas League or PCL. Quite a few of the MLB teams end up with reserve rosters in the 40's and most have at least in the 30's. This might not be a bad thing in my case, because it allows me to use the "normal" injury setting.
I don't want to limit MLB reserve rosters if the sign and release bug that's been a part of OOTP and reserve rosters still is in existence. Nothing worse than seeing a team drop a stud before he even plays a game.

Spritze · 06-16-2016, 12:28 PM

Like this? Is now a free agent.

David Watts · 06-16-2016, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

Like this? Is now a free agent.

Cool, you made it past Christmas day without him being released. Very cool. Sim ahead and see what happens.

Spritze · 06-16-2016, 12:36 PM

He remained an unsigned free agent for a few years as I disremember.

swampdragon · 06-16-2016, 12:55 PM

Since he was actually in the Eastern League at the time, that's not a terrible result, as long as he continues to develop. He's not supposed to be Lou Gehrig when he's 17.

So we have players in the minor league database who weren't actually in a playable minor league at the time. I have a potential solution. Players don't enter the game until the year that they are actually on the roster in a playable league. It seems like that would solve David's problem of an empty PCL (because then they'd debut in 1921 with the correct teams), and it would also solve the Lou Gehrig problem, because he'd debut in 1923 with the Yankees from the major league database as he always did.

David Watts · 06-16-2016, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

Since he was actually in the Eastern League at the time, that's not a terrible result, as long as he continues to develop. He's not supposed to be Lou Gehrig when he's 17.

So we have players in the minor league database who weren't actually in a playable minor league at the time. I have a potential solution. Players don't enter the game until the year that they are actually on the roster in a playable league. It seems like that would solve David's problem of an empty PCL (because then they'd debut in 1921 with the correct teams), and it would also solve the Lou Gehrig problem, because he'd debut in 1923 with the Yankees from the major league database as he always did.

From what I can tell, when the draft is turned off, he does debut in 1923 as a Yankee.

Spritze · 06-16-2016, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

So we have players in the minor league database who weren't actually in a playable minor league at the time. I have a potential solution. Players don't enter the game until the year that they are actually on the roster in a playable league. It seems like that would solve David's problem of an empty PCL (because then they'd debut in 1921 with the correct teams), and it would also solve the Lou Gehrig problem, because he'd debut in 1923 with the Yankees from the major league database as he always did.

This IS how it works.

Gehrig at 17 was a test to see what happened to him but he still should not go from #1 overall in a draft to released in 2 weeks.

swampdragon · 06-16-2016, 01:46 PM

But that's not how it works. The PCL isn't playable in 1919, but the players are in the game. If they entered the game in 1921, then they would be on the PCL rosters where they belong, and David's PCL wouldn't be empty.

Spritze · 06-16-2016, 02:01 PM

OK - try this

That is how it is designed to work
That is how Markus thinks it works
That is how it used to work
That is how I wish it still worked

06-14-2016, 11:23 AM	#461
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Anything you see, fake (for now) stats or not are used in the game. I don't get all 50's in my test game. I get a range from 20-60 with most players 40-55. If absolutely every player is always a 50 you may have a challenge with your particular game setup. BTW: You may prefer the 1-100 ratings scale to get more visible variation. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it! Last edited by Spritze; 06-14-2016 at 11:37 AM.

06-14-2016, 12:13 PM	#462
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	In the 1919 Texas League, players playing their principal position get numbers on a 1-100 scale of 48-51. If they're out of position, it goes down. It's not my game or my setup, which is as vanilla as it's possible to be. The game simply isn't using those stats on import. My hypothesis, which could easily be wrong, is that the minor league database is taken straight from BB Ref and that you added the real life fielding stats showing in the game without changing the fielding fields in the database (now there's a phrase) used for import. That would explain what I'm seeing in the game. Or it could be something else. Without knowing the import formulas or the makeup of the database, I really don't know. The Texas League outfielders briefly used the same formula as the major leagues in Patch 54, but that is back where it was. The infielders never did. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

06-15-2016, 09:37 PM	#467
Elysian Fields Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 484	Frank "the Piano Mover" Smith Frank Smith imports into the game with the nickname "Nig". He was known as "the Piano Maker". Cheers!

06-16-2016, 12:28 PM	#473
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Like this? Is now a free agent. Attached Images __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it! Last edited by Spritze; 06-16-2016 at 12:30 PM.

06-16-2016, 12:36 PM	#475
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	He remained an unsigned free agent for a few years as I disremember. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-15-2016, 12:28 PM	#463
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,504	On 17.9 beta, the draft order still hasn't been corrected for the Ian Desmond signing. Should be fairly easy to fix, but it's not the standard roster-team fare.

06-16-2016, 08:57 AM	#468
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,669 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Just wanted to say I messed around a little last night with historical/historical minors and I found Lou Gehrig. As stated before, he shows up in 1921 when you do a amateur draft league. It looks like when you have the draft turned off, he doesn't appear until 1923 and ends up where he rightly belongs as part of the Yankees. The reason I wasn't seeing him was he doesn't show up on the MLB player register until the season starts. I was checking during preseason 1923. So, he has risen......or in otherwords I was wrong. This is pre new patch. I have Steam One thing to note. I'm still getting an empty PCL, even when setting active minor league rosters to 25. Takes till around 1923 for the PCL to get populated. I think I will just start in 1921 when the I finally get to load this fielding fix patch.

06-16-2016, 12:55 PM	#476
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	Since he was actually in the Eastern League at the time, that's not a terrible result, as long as he continues to develop. He's not supposed to be Lou Gehrig when he's 17. So we have players in the minor league database who weren't actually in a playable minor league at the time. I have a potential solution. Players don't enter the game until the year that they are actually on the roster in a playable league. It seems like that would solve David's problem of an empty PCL (because then they'd debut in 1921 with the correct teams), and it would also solve the Lou Gehrig problem, because he'd debut in 1923 with the Yankees from the major league database as he always did. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis Last edited by swampdragon; 06-16-2016 at 12:57 PM.

06-16-2016, 01:46 PM	#479
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	But that's not how it works. The PCL isn't playable in 1919, but the players are in the game. If they entered the game in 1921, then they would be on the PCL rosters where they belong, and David's PCL wouldn't be empty. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

06-16-2016, 02:01 PM	#480
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	OK - try this That is how it is designed to work That is how Markus thinks it works That is how it used to work That is how I wish it still worked __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!