New Non-HW Boxers Rated

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Ezequiel Paixao - Brazilian Cruiserweight with a record of 30(21)-6-0. Retired in '98 after his lone title shot (loss to Tiozzo).

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Taoufik Belbouli - French Cruiserweight, win over Michael Greer earned him the WBA title in '89. 28(22)-1-1

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Nate Miller - Philly Cruiser with wins over Bert Cooper, Michael Greer and Orlin Norris 31(27)-9-0

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Here's Lightweight, Welterweight and Middleweight ratings I did for Florentino Fernandez.

You can read up on him in my 1967 replay under the HW Fighters Thread why I came up with these.

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

In the spirit of building up some stables of lighter weight division fighters here's some of Florentino's early opponents that I messed around with. A couple or three interesting fighters by whom they fought.

Rocco

Antonio Espino - Cuba Rating 1
Lightweight 1958
0 wins / 2 losses / 2 draws / 0 KO

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Espino fought way back in 1947 and 1948 when he battled Floro Hita and Alfonso Pages to 6 and 8 round draws respectively. He then was out of the ring until 1958 when in February of that year he lost a 4 round decision to a young Doug Vaillant who was 3-0-1 at the time. Three weeks later, Espino then fought another young an up an coming tough Cuban lightweight, Florentino Fernandez. Fernandez who was 8-0-0 at the time KO'd Espino in the 3rd round of the scheduled 6 rounder. That ended Espino's career.

Espino is rated based only on his fights with Vaillant and Fernandez.


Baby Diogenes Sagarra - Cuba Rating 1
Lightweight 1956-59
4 wins / 3 losses / 0 draws / 1 KO

Birthplace: Santiago de Cuba

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Sagarra fought his first fight in November 1956 against Benny Kid Paret who was 13-1 at the time and would later become the world welterweight champion. Paret KO'd Sagarra in the 5th round. Sagarra next fought in February 1958 against Alexis Garcia(7-12-0) knocking out Garcia in the 6th round. A month later he won a 10 round decision against Wilfredo Hurst(26-11-4). That set up an October 1958 fight against Alberto Bisbe(18-10-3,9), for the Cuban Light Welterweight Title. Sagarra won a 12 round decision. In January 1959 he defeated Wayman Dawson in a 10 round decision. That put Sagarra into the ring on January 31st 1959 against Florentino Fernandez who was 16-0-0. Sagarra was no match for Fernandez who KO'd him in the 2nd round. Four months later in May Sagarra fought Kid Fichique (46-12-4,28) who was a former Cuban Welterweight champion the previous year having defeated Miguel Diaz for that title onlyh to loose it 5 months later to Luis Manuel Rodriguez. Fichique KO'd Sagarra in teh 6th round and that ended Baby Diogenes' career.

Rolando Garcia - Cuba Rating 1
Lightweight 1956-58
0 wins / 4 losses / 1 draw / 0 KO

Alias: Roly
Birthplace: Santiago de Cuba, Oriente

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Garcia lost 3 straight 6 round decisions to start out his career, first to Santiago Ramirez(13-17-3,2), then to Angel Robinson Garcia who was 14-1-0 in his young career, then thirdly he lost to Wilfredo Hurst((26-11-4). Gacia then in March 1957 fought a 6 round draw with a Joaquin Castillo. Rolando was out of the ring then for almost a year when in February 1958 he lost by 4th round TKO to a 7-0 Florentino Fernandez. That ended Garcia's career.

Pastor Burke - Rating 1 Cuba
Welterweight 1956
0 wins / 1 loss / 0 draw / 0 KO

Rating by: Rocco Del sesto

One recorded fight in BoxRec, a 3rd round KO loss to Florentino Fernandez in Fernandez' first professional fight.


Juventino Ventosa - Rating 1 Cuba
Middleweight 1957
0 wins / 1 loss / 0 draw / 0 KO

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Only recorded fight in BoxRec was a 1st round KO loss to Florentino Fernandez in January 1957.


Pablo Cardenas - Rating 1 Cuba
Lightweight 1955-60
1 win / 6 losses / 0 draw / 0 KO

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Cardenas was KO'd in the 1st round of his very first fight against a pretty good lightweight named Tato Menendez(38-6-2,14) who would later in 1957 defeat Baby Cochet for the Cuban Lightweight Title, only to never defend it and retiring later that year due to an eye injury. Pablo then lost a 4 round decision to Chico Morales(31-9-2,9) in October 1956. Morales was 4-1-1 at the time early in his career. Later that same October Cardenas managed to garner his first and only win, a 4th round KO against newcomer Sal Hernandez. A month later Pablo climbed into the ring against another new face on the Cuban boxing scene, Luis Rodriguez who was 3-0-0 coming into that fight. Rodriguez KO'd Pablo in the 4th round.

In February 1957, Cardenas then fought another newbie, Florentino Fernandez who was 2-0. Fernandez defeated Cardenas in a 4 round decision. Later in August 1957, Cardenas fought Sal Hernandez(18-7-0,7), who'd won 6 fights since loosing his first bout with Cardenas. This time Hernandez came out victorious winning a 6 round decision against Cardenas. Cardenas then did not fight for about 2-1/2 years when he came back to the ring in January 1960, to be KO'd in the 1st by a Mario Ponce(6-5-1,4). That was it then for good for Cardenas' career.



Pedro Napoles - Rating 1 Cuba
Welterweight 1957-61
1 win / 5 losse / 0 draw / 0 KO

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

First career fight was a 4 round decision loss to Florentino Fernandez. Then lost a 6 round decision to Marcelino Gonzalez(12-8-1,1) before winning his first and only career victory, a 6 round decision over Eliseo Aguilera(7-2-0,2) in December 1959. He lost his last 3 fights then in 1960 and 1961, two decisions to Jesus Gonzalez(7-5-2,0) and a 2nd round KO to Sarvelio Fuentes(13-5-1,7).

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Here's the files for Cardenas and Napoles.

Enjoy them for whatever they may be worth. I got some more of these early Florentino opponents I'll post in the next days I hope.

Rocco

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Fabulous Rocco, thanks!

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Stephan Anghern - Swiss Cruiser; fought 2 distance title fights with Rocchigiani (both losses). Record of 19(10)-5-1

I feel safe in saying that Anghern is best big man to ever come out of the Swiss Alps - which isn't really saying a whole lot

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Don Diego Poeder - Dutch Cruiser that held the WBU title for whatever thats worth. Career Record of 22(16)-2-0 TKO'd by Sajad Abdul Aziz in my backyard here in Connecticut - not good.

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Darren Corbett - Cruiser from Northern Ireland with a 26(16)-4-1 record. Held Irish and Commonwealth Titles, fairly mediorce competition to-date.

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Adolpho Washington - Lousiana born Cruiser That took the IBO title from Izeqwire giving him his only loss, one time IBF Champ as well. Took Jirov distance in 10 rounder (only won one round on one card) Career record of 31(17)-9-2

[SAL]

Here is a photo to go with Conn's rating

[SAL]

Conn, I think this file came from TF 2001, rated 12.

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Thanks on both counts SAL - much appreciated!

EDIT:

I looked at the file and like it. I think that I will switch to that one but it did make me feel pretty good about my ratings. My version was pretty close with the exception that I was not as charitable on defense and few other areas due to my sense that he was very careful about who he fought and mixed alot of chumps into the record. Although that may not have been a fair assesment; everyone fights chumps but most do it at the begining of their career. He jumped right into the title on his fourth pro fight so I supose that I should have cut him a bit more slack. Also, I can't say that he benefitted from too many hometown decisions given the stoppage ratio.

Anyway, thanks again!

Cheers

[jofre]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Samson Dutchboy Gym - Thai Legend and undefeated WBF Junior Bantam Champ. Gym took the vacant WBF title in his fourth pro fight and held it until he retired eight years later. Overall record of 43(36)-0-0. I know that he didn't get out of Thailand much and fought more than a few chumps along the way, but I was a little surprised that he wasn't in the stock database. Maybe I missed something or he is burried under one of his allias monikers. Even fighting often less than par opponents, 43 and zip is still impressive. No bad nights (or a lot of payoffs; I must admit that I am totaly ignorant to the Thai Mafia, if there is one )

For those interested, his real name is: Saengmuangnoi Lukchapormasak.
He turned professional as Samson Elite-Gym, and then changed his names several times as he changed gyms and sponsors. His Fight Fax "Boxing Record Book" id number is 015533.

[CONN CHRIS]

Thanks for clearing that up. I hadn't heard the Samson Elite-Gym one yet. I'm thankful all boxers don't follow the same pattern!

[jofre]

I looked in one of my old databases and came up with the attached rating. Anyone want to play test it?

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Fabulous Rocco, thanks!

Thank you CHRIS for all your recent additions, especially these lighter weights!

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Pablo Berrios Cuba Rating 1
Middleweight 1957
0 wins / 1 loss / 0 draw / 0 KO

Rating by: Rocco Del SEsto

Only appearance in BoxREc was a 2nd round KO at the hands of Florentino Fernandez.



Victor Francia Cuba Rating 1
Middleweight 1957
0 wins / 1 loss / 0 draws / 0 KO

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Only fight in BoxRec was a 6 round decision loss to Florentino Fernandez.



Marino Gonzalez Cuba Rating 1
Featherweight 1950-60
8 wins / 6 losses / 1 draw / 4 KO

Rating by: Rocco Del sEsto

Compiled an 8-1-1 mark from Sept 1950 thru Sept 1952, before Marino started fighting some competition of any caliber and then could not survive in the ring. First came a 10 round decision loss to Baby Cochet(21-11-5,3) January 1955 after not fighting for almost 2-1/2 years. He layed of for almost 2 more years again before going back to the ring in December 1956 to square off against Angel Robinson Garcia who was 22-1-0 at the time. Garcia KO'd Gonzalez in the 5th round. Then came a 4th round KO to Wilfredo Hurst(26-11-4,11) and a 3rd round KO to Florentino Fernandez in the 1957. Gonzalez fought 1 more time, in January 1960, loosing his 5th straight fight and 4th by KO to Raul Carabeo(9-1-0,7). That was it for Marino.



Alberto Bisbe Cuba Rating 2
Lightweight 1955-60
18 wins / 10 losses / 3 draws / 9 KO

Hometown: Havana, Cuba
Birthplace: Santiago de Cuba

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Albert won his first 14 fights from 1955-56 against the usual array of local fighters without much experience. The first 8 fights were against oppenents with combined records at the time of 1-5-0! Then he fougth and defeated guys like Alberto Hernandez(1-12-5,0), Felix Alfredo Triana(2-16-1,0), Nilo Blanco(2-10-1,0), Alberto Robinson(5-7-3,0), and Alfonso Estrada(1-8-1,0). Finally for his 14th win he defeated Juan (Baby Face) Medina(20-15-7,12).

The rest of Bisbe's career went 4-10-3,3KO's. One of those 4 wins was a noteworthy one in February 1958 as he defeated Baby Cochet(21-11-5,3) for the Cuban Light Welterweight Title in a 12 round decision. After a win against Alberto Robinson and a 10 round decision loss to Wilfredo Hurst(26-11-4,11), he then lost a 12 round decision and the Cuban Light Welterweight Title to Baby Diogenes Sagarra. After that, in December 1958, he was KO'd in the 3rd round by Florentino Fernandez. He finished his career loosing 2 fights to Kid Fichique(46-12-4,28) and 2 fights to Pedro Miranda(43-12-1,32) with a victory against Tony Armenteros(25-17-4,8) sandwiched in between those 4 losses.


Rocco

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John Scully (MW,SMW,LHW) (Rated here as a Middleweight)

38(21)-11-0
Hometown - South Windsor, Connecticut

Trainer - Russ Anber
Manager - Ray Turner

John Scully had two distinct phases to his career. Phase one consisted of 22 fights exclusively within the middleweight division. Scully amassed a record of 20(15)-2-0 as an exclusive middleweight and claimed the New England Middleweight title along the way.

Phase two saw Scully go 18(6)-9-0 as he stepped up in both weight and competition. During this period, Scully fought as both a super middleweight and a light heavyweight. His three best bouts were likely the two distance fights that he had with Ernest Mateen and one with Micheal Nunn * for the WBO Super Middleweight Title. Unfortunately, all three efforts were losses with Scully collecting one more decision win against Cleveland Nelson shortly after the second Mateen fight before he called it quits.

Scully resides in the Hartford, CT area today and acts as trainer to fellow Hartford boxer and Heavyweight Lawrence Clay-Bey

* I was fortunate enough to see Scully-Nunn at Foxwoods in '95. Nunn clearly was the superior fighter that night but our hometown boy made us proud going 12 rounds and never backing down. I don't have my score cards from that fight but I do remember having Nunn by a smaller margin as the winner. I think I called two rounds even that everyone else on the planet gave to Nunn. That's what hometown advantages are all about.