2025 NFL Season Thread

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I don't agree if you're going to pass the ball. Having the ball at the 1 as opposed to the 2 makes no difference if you're going to pass it. Just go for 2 from the 2. You're going to see the same defense. Why does the extra yard want you to pass the ball more?

Yes, as the rest of my comment noted, with the ball now on the 1, it makes more sense to use either of their two running options or to have Bryce roll out and have an RPO. (And also if you want to pass, try a fade so you only need to beat one-on-one coverage, or a swing pass to that there's some momentum going and again, you're dealing with spread coverage. A crossing route into traffic is the worst of all possible worlds.)

All that said, though, strategically going for two makes sense, because if you're two TDs down, in theory you should be able to make the two at least one out of two times. (Thereby benefitting you if you make the 8 and can win with 7 the second time, and with no real penalty if you go 6, then 8 and end up right where you'd be if you'd gone for 7 and 7). With the ball at the 1 due to the penalty, it makes the case for 2 even stronger…

…assuming you don't totally botch the play call, as Canales did.

(I do disagree with Cobra's argument about going for 8 when you're only down 7, though. That seems unnecessarily all-or-nothing on what is barely a 50% play for most teams. I realize that some teams simply don't trust their defense, but even so.)

[Amazin69]

Annie Agar, Week 11

and

Annie, Week 12

I've been slacking because I no long have audio on this computer and don't know what she's saying, but presumably Annie is as good as ever. I can hear YT videos by "casting" them to my TV, but Shorts don't cast, for whatever reason…

(The new computer arrived Monday, but apparently it takes a charger I don't have, so I have to spend more money and wait until at least Friday, possibly next week. Oh, and while i was waiting for the delivery on Monday, I tripped and fell and banged the bejesus out of my "good" knee and am now suffering with greatly impaired mobility.

At least I'll have a nice Thanksgiving turkey dinner…except that Denny's somehow canceled the order and Doordash gave me a refund instead of credit, so now I can't buy anything until the refund processes in "3-5 business days", so that might be Wednesday, too.

You can tell that I'm a Mets fan, can't you?)

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

Yes, as the rest of my comment noted, with the ball now on the 1, it makes more sense to use either of their two running options or to have Bryce roll out and have an RPO. (And also if you want to pass, try a fade so you only need to beat one-on-one coverage, or a swing pass to that there's some momentum going and again, you're dealing with spread coverage. A crossing route into traffic is the worst of all possible worlds.)

All that said, though, strategically going for two makes sense, because if you're two TDs down, in theory you should be able to make the two at least one out of two times. (Thereby benefitting you if you make the 8 and can win with 7 the second time, and with no real penalty if you go 6, then 8 and end up right where you'd be if you'd gone for 7 and 7). With the ball at the 1 due to the penalty, it makes the case for 2 even stronger…

…assuming you don't totally botch the play call, as Canales did.

(I do disagree with Cobra's argument about going for 8 when you're only down 7, though. That seems unnecessarily all-or-nothing on what is barely a 50% play for most teams. I realize that some teams simply don't trust their defense, but even so.)

In theory. This is assuming it's a 50/50 chance. One of the problems with analytics is that it doesn't take into consideration the current game. Just what is more likely overall. In theory.

Down 7 points with a 4th and 5 from the 10 yard line against the Eagles is a big difference than the same situation against the Raiders. Especially if you're having trouble moving the ball all game, like the Lions did.

The one thing I don't see a lot of teams do, even though the situation rarely comes up. If you're up by 1 and you get a TD late in the game, go for 2. The risk is minimal, the reward is probably a win.

[monkeyman576]

I was gonna say it was dumb for the Packers to go for it on 4th and 3 up by 7 midfield but they made it so I guess I was wrong.

[Cobra Mgr]

I'm a big believer in sometimes things didn't work. They just worked out. I would have punted myself. But the bigger question I have is why they passed on 3rd if they were going for it on 4th? Run, let the clock keep moving, then go for it. If they didn't convert at least they would have knocked out 40-45 seconds on the clock. They dodged a bullet.

[monkeyman576]

I meant 4th and 3 obviously but the point stands. Unnecessary risk.

[monkeyman576]

Wow who saw that the Chiefs were going to miss the playoffs altogether?

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I agree with the rest of your post. Makes perfect sense. This is where we part ways. Drastic changes can hurt the game. Alternate leagues have never been able to compete with the NFL. But if the NFL changes so drastically that it no longer resembles the sport it used to be, that might change. Fans will flock to what they are used to seeing. As an example, if the NFL went full flag football, any other tackle football league in full pads would easily overtake them.

BTW, the two concussions I've had playing football were with no pads or helmet. Never got one in pads.

The only concussion I ever had was when I was playing center field, and Bobby Coombs came over from right to catch a fly ball hit directly at me. Bobby went on to be a D-1 linebacker, and he put me completely out.

[Ragnar]

Remember when the Cowboys got a TD to go up 26-21? I was totally against them going for 2 there. It was too early. There was still like 9 minutes left in the game. My fear actually came to pass, but since the Cowboys converted the 2 point play, it didn't matter.

With 9 minutes left, just kick the XP. Go up 27-21. If for some reason we get the ball back and kick a FG, we're up 9. The same situation with a failed 2 point play, we're up 8. The Chiefs did come back and get the TD. So had we failed the 2 point play, that game could have easily been tied at 29.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

The only concussion I ever had was when I was playing center field, and Bobby Coombs came over from right to catch a fly ball hit directly at me. Bobby went on to be a D-1 linebacker, and he put me completely out.

Sometimes you have to say "I got it" loud enough.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Sometimes you have to say "I got it" loud enough.

I thought I did that playing softball. High pop to 1st. Yelling "I got it" while waving my arms. I was looking at nothing but blue sky & a white softball, followed immediately by green grass & brown dirt. Vann Banks ran over me like an 18 wheeler over a possum.

[Cobra Mgr]

How Charlotte Got Fleeced On The WORST Stadium Deal Ever

This guy is a realtor advertising for his business. But what he is stating about Dave Tepper & BOA Stadium is spot on. At optimistic best he is a "shrewd" businessman. In the interest of accuracy, he is a cheap, greedy buzzard.