New HW Boxers Rated

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Hi Herrbear,

I don't think I ever adjusted him. I talked about it some, but kind of decided to leave him alone and play out the replay. After that I was going to do somemore intensive test playing of him like I do with all the other guys I rate to see how the rating really work out if there's any tweeking maybe needing done.

You mention when you put the ratings in you get it to auto do a 2 instead of a 3. I've found that the auto rating for the overall rating tends to act a bit flacky. You can put some ratings in and get one rating and then change stuff around and put other cus in then come back to the original and it will do a slightly different rating! NOt all the time but once in a while I've seen it do some things I don't understand. I think others on the forum here has expressed cases also where they've seen things like that.

I've attached my current Zech file here if you want to look at it. Just for the heck of it I hit the calc button on the overall and it stayed at 3.

Thanks
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

01/02/67

Walpole, MA, USA
Leroy Smith – LHW (1-1-0) vs. Bob Benoit – LHW (2-0-0)

Bob Benoit - USA
Light Heavyweight 1966-1974

37 wins / 8 losses / 0 draws / 12 KO

Alias: Al Benoit/Robert
Hometown: Oakham, MA

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Pretty good taking a punch Benoit was being stopped only 4 times in 45 bouts. Not a heavy punch though with only the 12 KO's. Benoit fattened up his record(24-3-0) the first half of his career against the usual mostly stiffs and club fighters out to fill a stable for guys like Benoit to work on. Along the way though Benoit did win a 10 round decision over a Josh Hall(10-0-0) at the time, stopped a Tony Lampron(36-12-3,18KO) by 5th round KO and that 24th win was a 10 round decision against Bobby Cassidy who is rated in the game and who was in the mist of the prime of his career that saw 59 wins over its course.

The Cassidy win was followed up with a fight against a bright looking new comer on the LHW scene, Len Hutchins who as 5-0 in his early career. The two fought a 10 round duel with the young Hutchins pulling out the decision over Benoit. Those two fights was the start of a two year period that saw Benoit fights some pretty tough competition in the LHW field. He won decisions over a Larry Carney(28-11-2,19) and Jose Roberto Chirino(20-11-4,11). He then lost by 3rd round KO to a Paul Cardoza(22-9-0,8). Followed that with decision wins over a couple busy LHW's who fought a lot to help the better fighters improve thier standings, Ollie Wilson(20-42-1,13) and George HOlden(17-29-4,2). Then in September and October of 1971 came two tough losses in a row to guys who are rated in the game. First an 8th round TKO to Chris Finnegan(29-7-1,16) and then he was KO'd in the 1st round by Eddie Owens(38-35-2,16).

After those two losses Benoit's career just went into the tanker not getting any prime fights for most of the next three years going 7-0-0 against the dredges again he fought early in his career. Then in April 1974 he got a shot at the New England Lightheavyweight Title against none other then Eddie Owens. A chance finally to get a little revenge?! A tough fight they apparently had, going the full scheduled 12 rounds, but Owens came out on top again. Benoit followed that up with what turned out to be his last career fight against Macka Foley(31-20-1,18) who is also in the game. It was nearing the tail end of Foley's career also. Benoit managed to go out a winner winning an 8 round decision over Foley!

A somewhat interesting career for Benoit. Not by any means I guess what you'd consider a top ranked LHW of the period, but one of the good middle class at least.


Leroy Smith - USA
Light Heavyweight 1961,64,67

1 win / 2 losses / 0 draw / 1 KO

Alias: Roy
Hometown: Los Angeles, CA

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Leroy fought 3 times getting KO'd in the first round by Dick Harrison(8-5-0,5KO) in June 1961, then didn't fight again til Feb. 1964 when he stopped Chuck Oliver(0-5-0,0) in 2. It was then almost three more years when he climbed back into the ring for the 3rd and last time of his career on Jan. 2nd, 1967 to do battle with Bob Benoit(37-8-0,12KO). The two fought a 4 round fight which Benoit won on points sending Smith out of the ring for good.


The Fight.....
Two LHW’s who are getting things started with their careers are scheduled for a short 4 round affair here in Walpole. The first couple of rounds both fighters land a few jabs and combinations. The last minute of the 1st round Benoit lands some jabs and uppercuts that gain him control of that round. In the 2nd round, less then a ½ minute into it, Smith lands his best punch of the fight, a hard jab that shakes Benoit, but Bob quickly recovers. Benoit then comes back with a right hand to the head that rattles Smith and Benoit never looks back with a series of hooks, uppercuts and jabs that allows Benoit to control the round. Round 3, 20 seconds into it, Benoit catches Smith with an uppercut that takes Smith down for a 10 count and just like that, 0:30 in the 3rd round Benoit is the winner by KO.
In the real thing in 1967 these two fighters went the full 4 rounds with Benoit winning a decision.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Next up will be a couple of real workhorses of the 1960's, when Welterweight Johnny Brooks (40-34-5,7KO) moves up to take on Light Heavyweight Billy Marsh (50-81-15, 11). This will the first of 23 fights we'll see Mr. Marsh in before we complete our HW/LHW replay of 1967!

[Austin]

Rocco,

Here are your ratings and mine side by side...mine in parentheses. I'm not saying mine are correct but I saw him fight in person over a dozen times. His style was similar to Paul Pender the middleweight champ. Benoit had an excellent left jab, which he called the master of ceremonies. Everything came off his jab. Although not a big puncher, if he landed a good punch would become aggressive—taking chances! He was very comfortable fighting off the ropes and surprisingly durable if his opponent tried to rough him up on the inside. Lights out however if you caught him clean on the chin. He was killing Perez when one left hook ended it. I was stunned, sitting at ringside. All in all, Benoit was an entertaining club fighter, who gave the fans their monies worth!

CB - 8 (6)
CS - 7 (6)
HP - 3 (2)
Ckd - 3 (3)
CKo - 2 (3) Owens & Perez both KO’d Benoit (10 count) with a single punch.
Rec - 3 (3)
Cuts - 2 (2)
AP - 3 (3)
KI - 3 (6)
Agg - 5 (7)
End - 7 (8)
Def - 2 (0)
FS - 3 (2)
FR - 2 (1)
DP - 2 (4)
Cond - 1 (2)
Int - 1 (7)
Pro - 10 (10)
FI - 1 (1)
FO - 0 (3)
CU - 2 (3)
GoKO - 1 (1)
Cl - 0 (68)
Boxer (Boxer)
Seldom (Seldom)
Jab - 17.25/1.5 (18/1)
Hooks - 16.75/3.75 (25/3.25)
Crosses - 9.25/1.0 (17.5/1.0)
Combo - 20.25/0.0 (17.5/1.25)
Uppercuts - 27.0/2.0 (16.75/0.0)
Punching - 32 (36)
Counter - 32 (36)
Punches Missed - 64 (60)
Overall 2 (3)

I find you ratings very interesting, downloading them often.

Austin

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Austin,

Thanks for your comparison on the Benoit ratings and your insite provided into Benoit. I always welcome any comments, feedback or reasoning on how any of my ratings may be changed for the better. I don't profess to be real knowledgeable on many of these fighters. I go about rating them in a what's probably a not wholely scientific way just from the fact most of what I know about any of these fighters is looking at thier records on BoxRec.

I've got a posting somewhere within this thread explaining more detail on how I myself go about rating fighters. It's very randomized on the picking of much of the rating numbers. But, I have fun doing it and as Rasmuth mention in the other current thread being discussed, I'm enjoying trying to imput many of these "1" and "2" type fighters into the data base to help others create more realistic universes. In realistic I mean by creating these less then cream of the crop fighters that most of the cream of the crop thats originally in the game, spent thier time fighting "fattening up" thier records, especially in the earlier parts of their careers.

Again, thanks a lot for your insite into Benoit. I see these guys in BoxRec and become intrigued in them looking at thier records and who they fought and think, man they should be in TBCB! I just wish I know much more about them.

Rocco

[Austin]

Rocco,

You and Rasmuth do a wonderful job rating boxers. I couldn't hold a candle you guys in this department. I have a good working knowledge regarding New England boxers however and would be happy sharing this information with you and Rasmuth. If you could remember were you wrote your piece on how to rate fighters, I’d love to study it! Right now I’m going crazy trying to rate Busso, Courchesne and Berrios. Berrios is the best of the three but comes out the worst in simulations. Maybe you should take a crack at rating them.

Austin

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Austin,

Here's the original post I made on what I do rating someone.

Going about rating fighters
Mike was asking what I do about rating fighters. Nothing very scientific about it. I don't profess to say if my method is altogether that accurate, but, for the sake of wanting to create more heavyweights, especially in the European theater, I'm going about it the best way I know of not knowing anything about most of these guys other then what I learn about them on Boxing Rec.

Basically what I do it look at a guy's record and break it down his wins on how many are stoppages and his losses by how many times he was stopped in a fight. I also look at any DQ losses. If he has 1 to 2 DQ losses I'll make his Fouls rating Occassionally. 3 or more I'll make him Frequent. If he's somebody with say 20 or so fights or less in his career and he had 2 DQ's, I'd probably then make him a Frequent rating.

I then look to see who he's fought that's already in the game data base, guys that was in there originally or who I or others have added. I look at his other opponents who I don't have rated fighters for and looking at thier records make a determination if the rest of the opponents look to be mainly 1 rated fighters, maybe 1 to 3 or whatever. I'll then let the auto scheduler build a schedule first automatically for the total career bouts of the fighter I'm working on with the rating range of opponents I feel best suit. I'll then put in manually the fighters who I have in my data base and deleted as needed any of the auto scheduled fighters to come back to my career fights total. I'll then set the "Repeats" to 10. So then I'll keep rerunning this schedule in these set of 10 bouts to each opponent. So in other words if a fighter I'm working on had 30 career bouts, I'll have 30 opponents set in the schedule and the repeats set at 10 for each opponent. So when I sim the schedule, my fighter will have fought 300 bouts.

I then look at the total Wins/Losses/KO's/Times he's stopped/and DQ's to some extent. You simply divide the totals by 10 to compare the average of each of those to his actual career. It's then just a matter of keep simming and tweeking ratings around until I feel I've achieved a good average of Wins/Losses/KO's and Times he's stopped compared to actual career numbers.

A lot of the rating numbers you set are of course just random picks at what I give I guy. the Control ratings for most of these journeymen fighters you know I usually going to be 7 or less. The HP's you can determine should be so high depending on the number of KO's he has. His Chin, cut, recovering ratings can be determined to some extent by how many times he's stopped in his career. Most of these guys I figure their defense, fast/slow, draw power, conditioning, and Intellect are not especially good.

Again, I then just sim and tweek till I get his record numbers averaging out fairly close as I can. Now, some of you who've been rating fighters since the days of TF2001 or even the old Title Bout board game may find ways to totaly pick apart what I've just described as not being very accurate. But, all these guys, all I got to go on is the BoxREc of them so, I sim to get their career numbers to work out as close as possible. In the end I hope to create a pretty good data base of heavyweight fighters to then to a universe where I've got that bottom heavy portion of the punching bags, tomato cans, trailhorse fighters, whatever you want to call them, that the top maybe 10 to 15 percent if that much of the "cream" of the heavyweights fought many of thier fights against to build the early portions of thier career.

And of course your always welcome to tweek around what I've done to whatever suits you. I'm having fun with it just finding these other heavyweights.

Now I will say that my method I've found can have some problems with it if you got a figther who has fought maybe mostly unrated fighters who are mostly "punching bags" as far as thier career's were. What you could end up with is if you got a guy who had a real good Win/Loss record against these mostly "punching bags" your rating numbers could get spiked higher then probably what the guy deserves, because the rated 1 fighters in my data base are prabably currently better then even most of a guys actual opponents were. A good example of this is a fighter I'm working on right now. His name is Tony Hughes. He fought from1956 to 1963 compiling a 25-4-0 record with 9KO's. He was stopped only 3 times himself. The only guys he fought that I could find in my current data base were Alonzo Johnson, Henry Cooper, Franco DePiccoli(whom I rated) and Bob Cleroux. The rest where nothing much at all to talk about from what I could see. Well what's happened is with those handful of guys put in with a bunch of random 1's, to get his W/L and stoppage numbers to come out, his rating numbers are way higher then what you'd think this guy should deserve. His control ratings right now are both 8 and his punching numbers are very good. The game auto calcs an overall rating of 4! In my mind looking at what he's fought he no way can be a 4. His opponents are just too good on what I got in the data base currently. Now I've taken the auto rating for overall and at times have down graded it by 1 maybe, sometimes 2 or up 1 if I felt it should be, but for a 4 down to 1! What I'm realizing here is as I dig deeper into these more obscure fighters, I'm seeing where I'm probably going to have to create a bunch of generic "punching bag" fighters with terrible ratings to sim these guys against to get a better representation of what thier ratings probably should be.

Well anywho, I've rambled enough on this. So there it for what its' worth what I do. I've attached the Tony Hughes rated as I got him now, so you can see if you want what I mean by his higher then they should be ratings.

Rocco


Since I wrote that I've gotten more "punching bag" type fighters made up and I'm using them more to try and more closely simulate the type of fighters some of these lesser known fighters went up against. If you look at Cardozo that I just rated recently as an example, he's got a good W/L record, but I simmed him against a lot of LOW quality 1's which really is the majority of his fight record compared to even some of the decent 1's that's in the game. So if you look at his ratings, they don't look all that impressive. So when if you fight him against a lot of even the better 1's that were already in the game or even many of them that others have added here, Cardozo won't fair out too well.

Just a side comment to illustrate how you really got a kind of wide range a quality in the 1 rated fighters. Think Rasmuth made a similar comment/observation about that recently on another posting.

Rocco

[swampdragon]

I just wanted to chime in and agree with Rocco. The fighters in the game are the cream of the crop. Even the 1 rated fighters are decent journeymen who by and large had winning records. Most fighters are what I call zero rated fighters, and every universe needs its share to produce realistic results. Rocco has rated a lot of these guys since the game came out, and I use them all the time.

[Rasmuth]

You and Rasmuth do a wonderful job rating boxers.

I appreciate the kind words, but I've been very inactive recently for rating fighters. I've been concentrating on my IPBA Universe and getting that website updated to the new results...plus obviously work and family...

...but we've seen alot of great work here from many others. I've been getting these new fighters as soon as I can.

I do have some fighters that I rated long ago...maybe I'll try to get some out soon...again... mostly low rated "fodder" for lack of a better term.

Rating fighters is a fun, yet time consuming aspect of this game. If I concentrate on that...I don't work on the IPBA...and vice/versa.

For everyone here constantly rating fighters...Salute! I appreciate the work and I apologize for my inactivity...though I do try to keep my presence here regularly.

IPBA

(there are still the older downloads of fighter addons for TF2001 on my site...some lower rated guys...especially in the MW class)

[Rocco Del Sesto]

01/03/67

Las Vegas, NV, USA
Billy Marsh – LHW (27-20-7) vs. Johnny Brooks – WW (32-13-5)

Billy Marsh - USA Rating 1
Light Heavyweight 1961-1973

50 wins / 81 losses / 15 draws / 11 KO

Hometown: Little Rock, AR

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

A busy, busy career for Billy Marsh in the middleweight/light heavyweight arenas.

Some of the guys he fought who are already in the game....Jimmy Cross, Andy Kendall, Roger Rouse, Johnny Featherman, Tony Mundine, Gomeo Brennan, Larry Buck, Ray Anderson, Mark Tessman and Don Fullmer. He fought many of opponents who had some pretty good looking records. The first have of his career was spent against the usual array of mostly club type fighters. But over the latter half he fought some pretty good looking competition.


Johnny Brooks - USA- Rating 6
Welterweight 1961-1970

40 wins / 34 losses / 5 draws / 7 KO

Hometown: Wichita, KS

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Brooks fought his way up and down the divisional rankings between lightweight on up to Light Heavyweight. He's listed in BoxREc as Welterweight and that's the majority of the fighters rated in the game that he fought. He battled quite a few guys with some pretty good looking records including a good number not rated yet in the game.

One's that are currently rated in the game that Brooks fought are....Manual Gonzalez twice, Adolph Pruitt twice, Denny Moyer, Emile Griffith, Ernie Lopez four times, Paul Armstead, Jose Angel Napoles, Bage Terronez, Jean Josselin, Carlos Hernandez,Jerry Pellegrini twice, Percy Pugh, Stanley Hayward, Billy Backus, Carlos Monzon, Oscar Albarado, Charlie Shipes twice, Willie Warren and finally to end his career, Tony Licata. Problem was in all those fights against the above mentioned opponents, Brooks was only 2-23-0! He only managed to beat Ernie Lopez and Pellegrini once each. 38-11-5 against the lower echelon fighters. The top guys though he couldn't beat.

And the fight.....

Brooks comes out fast in the first couple of rounds scoring with enough of punches to hold a slight 58-57 lead. After that though the bigger Marsh takes total control of the bout, scoring at will and getting the only knockdown of the fight in the 6th round of this fight putting Brooks down for a short 4 count with a good combination. Even though the fight goes the full 10, it’s not close at all. The final judges scores being 98-91, 99-91, 98-92. Brooks in the replay just could not make the jump from WW to LHW. During my play testing of Brooks, I had Marsh in the schedule (I rated Marsh first), and in every 10 sets of fights, Marsh would win on average 7-8 of them. So you look at Brooks’ 6 at WW and Marsh’s 1 at LHW, that jump from WW to LHW obviously causes quite an adjustment in the ratings for Brooks in the game moving up that many weight divisions. In real life, this fight also went the full 10, but Brooks won a 10 round decision. These two will meet again later in 1967 so we’ll be seeing them again later in this replay. Marsh will be making several fights in 1967.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Here's Brooks....

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

01/03/67

Brighton, England
Dave Barnes – HW (1-1-0) vs Des Cox – HW (0-0-0)

Des Cox - UK Rating 1
Heavyweight 1967-68

9 wins / 1 loss / 0 draw / 4 KO

Hometown/Birthplace: Shoreditch, England

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Cox started out his career on Jan. 3rd 1967 vs Dave Barnes who was fighting what turned out to be his 3rd and final fight. Cox won by TKO in the 2nd to start a streak of 9 straight wins to start his career. By Sept 1968 he was 9-0-0 with 4KO's when he entered the ring against Roger Tighe who was 14-2-2 at the first. The first opponent for Cox with some real challenge to him. Cox ended up no challenge for Tighe as Tighe won by 8th round decision. That was it then for Cox with his career at an end.


Dave Barnes - UK Rating 1
Heavyweight 1966-67

1 win / 2 losses / 0 draw / 1 Ko

Hometown: Leicester, England
Birthplace: Jamaica

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Won his first , a 2nd round KO of Ken Lewis on Sept 21st, 1966. 7 days later he fought a George Dulaire and was KO'd by Dulaire in the 3rd. Then on Jan. 3rd 1967 he fought Des Cox and the fight was stopped in the 2nd round with Barnes handed the TKO loss and he steps into boxing oblivion.


And the fight.....

A couple of Englishmen tangle in the ring. One fighter starting out his career, the other, it would turn out finishing a very brief one. The first round shows quickly that Barnes is probably not going to be any kind of a match for the newcomer Cox. Cox lands punches, mainly hook shots while Barnes is unable to do anything in the first of a scheduled 6 rounder. A ½ minute into the 2nd round, Cox just misses with a big wild swing as Barnes backpedals as the right time. Then suddenly Cox catches Barnes with a hard shot to the body and Barnes goes down for the 10 count. A 2nd round KO win for Des Cox in his first fight. In the real thing in 1967, Cox won by 2nd round TKO.

For Barnes, he disappears from the boxing world. We’ll see Cox 5 more times later in 1967.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Dave Barnes rating. Another good record padder and career starting fights.

Rocco

[jofre]

Rocco, just a quick note of sadness to pass on. Jurgin Blin's son Knut Blin eportedly committed suicide at age 36. Knut turned pro in the mid-80s and was regarded as a top prospect. He was one of the first fighters signed by Universum. The report I read said he was a troubled man by then and faded away from the scene and was later admitted to a mental institution. He never made a full recovery.

Knut Blin

Country Germany
Hometown Hamburg, Germany
Birthplace Hamburg, Germany
Division Heavyweight
Born 1968-12-22
Died 2004-05-26
Height 6' 2"
Manager Klaus-Peter Kohl
Trainer Horst Nalbach / Eckhard Dagge


Career Record © www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1987-05-02 Mladen Grubesic Hamburg, Germany W TKO 4
1987-08-15 Hans Gimborn Hamburg, Germany W TKO 2
1987-10-30 Milisan Bogdanovic Hof, Germany W KO 3
1989-06-30 Novak Radanovic Hamburg, Germany W KO 1
1989-09-30 Manfred Puntigam Hamburg, Germany W KO 1
1989-12-16 Mate Galic Pforzheim, Germany W KO 2
1990-02-16 Bernd Kulle Hamburg, Germany W KO 2
1990-05-05 Steve Garber Hamburg, Germany W PTS 6
1990-11-16 Mario Guedes Hamburg, Germany W TKO 7

Record to Date
Won 9 (KOs 8) Lost 0 Drawn 0 Total 9

[Antonin]

Is it OK to post ratings of current HWs in this thread?

[mh2365]

Works for me

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Jofre,

Thank you for that note on Jurgin Blin's son Knut. Little eerie to see the date of his death. May 26th. Thats my birthday!

Antonin, by all means post any modern HW's you may wish to share. My main interest has been retired HW's, thus why I started the thread. Other threads are here of course for Non-HW's and particular weight classes. If anyone sees a fighter of any weight class that fits into any ongoing discussion on something, I see no reason not to post it here. My current 1967 replay of the HW and LHW divisions is taking in some MW"s and other divisions, so I just post those fighters along here also.

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

BTW Antonin, I see your from Cleveland, Ohio. I'm from northern Ohio originally, born, raised and lived all my life up till about 9-1/2 years ago in Grafton, Ohio, about 40 minutes west of downtown Cleveland. Worked in Cleveland itself for a few years.

I just got back from an outing of sorts, spent Saturday and Sunday in Atlanta with my oldest son taking in the Braves and Indians. Nice to see my old and still favorite baseball team, The Tribe! Got back and glad to see the forum is back up. Got 2 or 3 1967 replay fights here to get posted!

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

01/03/67 Tuesday

Las Vegas, NV, USA
Eddie Jones – LHW (11-3-0) vs. Jesse Bolen – LHW (2-3-0)

Eddie Jones - USA Rating 7 LHW already in the game.

36 wins / 15 losses / 3 draws / 14 KO

Hometown: Oakland, CA

A pretty good looking Light Heavyweight of the 60's to mid 70's. He fought a number of "middle class" light heavies and middleweights that are in the game, some by other gamers who've contributed additional fighters. His only shot at a title though came in August 1971 against Vincente Paul Rondon(who interestingling is thus far not in the game), when the two fought for the WBA Light Heavyweight Title. Rondon won by a 15 round UD.

Other guys Jones fought in the came included wins over Allen Thomas, Jimmy Dupree, Henry Hank, Roger Rouse, Ramon Peralta, Andy Kendall and Tom Bethea.

Losses were to Thomas, Harold JOhnson, Kendall, Dupree, Peralta, Victor Galindez, Len Hutchins, Tom Bogs and Jesse Burnett. He also fought a 10 round draw with Kendall.


Jesse Bolen - USA Rating 1
Light Heavyweight 1965-68

2 wins / 8 losses / 0 draw / 0 KO

Hometown: Los Angeles, CA

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Jesse won his first 2 career fights in 1965 then lost the last 8, 5 by KO. He lost by 2nd round KO to Eddie Jones in Jan 1967, then lost a 10 round decision in Feb. 1968 to Andy Kendall in his only other noteable fight.

The fight......

One guy starting up on his promising looking career against another guy already looking to be on the down turn of a short lasted career. Jones has racked up 11 wins in 14 fights including wins over Billy Stephan (19-11-1) and Chuck Leslie(11-11-1). Those wins had followed a 10 round decision loss to Leslie. So Jones already was starting to get some tougher competition in his early career. Bolen on the other hand had lost 3 fights against meaningless opponents after having won the first two fights of his career. This was a scheduled 10 round affair. In the real thing in 1967, Jones KO’d Bolen, but Jesse fought tough taking the fight into the 8th round. In our replay fight here, Bolen lasted the distance, taking Jones the full 10 rounds. The fight ended a UD for Jones with all 3 judges scoring it 99-91. Each judge did score 1 round for Bolen. Interestingly they all were different rounds. Judge 1 gave round 4 to Bolen, Judge 2 gave round 8 to Bolen and Judge 3 game round 6 to Bolen. Personally, this fight fan sees no reason to have scored any rounds for Bolen. The 8th of those three was probably the best round for Bolen scoring any points with any punches landed. Even then it was not even close. Jones controlled the action through out the fight, but never pressed his advantage to try and take Bolen out. A strong decision win for Jones, but a bit of disappointment that a knockout of some kind wasn’t scored. I felt Jones should have been able to do that against this opponent.

The Jones attachment is just bio info added. Nothing done with ratings.

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

01/04/67 Wednesday

No Scheduled Bouts

01/05/67 Thursday

Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, CA, USA
Chuck Leslie – HW (11-12-1) vs. Tony Alongi – HW (38-2-4)


Chuck (Charley) Leslie - USA Rating 4
Heavyweight 1963-1972

21 wins / 23 losses / 4 draws / 3 KO

Hometown: Los Angeles, LA

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Leslie fought quite a few fighters who are in the game and contributed by others. Unfortunately he lost to most of those better fighters. He did manage wins against Wilhelm von Homburg, Thad Spencer, Tony Doyle, Eddie Jones, Joe Shelton, Roberto Davila, Dick Hall and Ted Gullick. He also fought draws with George (Scrap Iron) Johnson and Gregorio Peralta.

As mentioned though, the losses against the better echelon of fighters piled up faster. Roger Rouse, Andy Kendall, Amos Lincoln, Thad Spencer, Bob Foster, Mauro Mina, Jimmy Ellis, Spencer again, Joe Frazier, Tony Doyle, Eddie Jones, Tony Alongi, Gregorio Peralta, Santiago Lovell, Eddie Jones again, Johnny Persol, Bob Foster a second time, Ken Norton, Earnie Shavers, and Ron Lyle.

Tony Alongi - USA - HW Rating 5 already in game

40 wins / 2 losses / 4 draws / 23 KO

Hometown: Fort Lauderdale, FL
Birthplace: Passaic, NJ
Trainer: Charley Goldman
Manager: Chuck Serianni

The following is a copy of "A Eulogy for Alongi", written by Jim Amato, 12/03/2003 and posted in Cyber Boxing Zone after the passing away of Alongi on Nov. 11th 2003. A very nice article that summarizes the career of Alongi.

"It did not receive much press but a very fine heavyweight from the 60's recently passed away. Tony Alongi who amassed 46 fights from 1959 to 1967 died at the age of 64 in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

Tony won nine straight fights in his maiden year of 1959. He followed that by winning twelve more in 1960. In 1961 he stepped up the quality of his opposition. Trained by the masterful Charley Goldman, Tony won seven more contests. Among his victims were Tod Herring, Jefferson Davis and George Logan. In 1962 Tony suffered his first setback being stopped in ten rounds by Rodolfo Diaz. He came back to stop Joe DeGrazio in four but in 1963 he was stopped in five by the talented Billy Daniels.

Tony bounced back defeating Prentice Snipes and Don Warner. He then met George Chuvalo. The decision was first announced as a win for Alongi but a recheck of the cards led to the verdict being changed to a draw.

Tony won two fights in 1964. One of them against tough Chip Johnson. In 1965 he defeated Levi Forte and Snipes again.

On March 4, 1966 in New York Tony fought a draw with the highly regarded Jerry Quarry. They met again on May 28th in Los Angeles and again it was judged a draw. On November 23rd Tony and Bill McMurray fought a six round technical draw as both men were cut badly. Tony had has last two professional fights in 1967 outpointing the clever Chuck Leslie and knocking out Charlie Hall in two rounds.

Alongi won 40 contests, 23 by KO. He lost only two and had four drawsMay he rest in peace." written by Jim Amato

The Fight.....

This 10 round fight in 1967 between 2 “middle class” heavyweights of the 60’s ended in an unpopular finish it would sound like by a brief notation on it in BoxRec. They say there that with Aongi winning a split decision, that the Leslie rooters were not too well satisfied with that and several fans started tossing their own punches at ringside. Even ring announcer Jimmy Lennon was caught in the cross fire! With that 10 round SD win Alongi was then 1 fight and 1 win away from finishing a modestly successful career. For Leslie it was another one of those losses against the better fighters. In our replay, it was Alongi controlling the action through the first 3 rounds as he won all 3 on all three judges score cards. The middle 4 rounds then were then a virtual draw. After Leslie put together some solid punches in the 6th round, Alongi managed to regroup for a solid 7th. Leslie though won the 8th thru 10th rounds on all three judges cards. In the end though it wasn’t enough for Leslie to pull out the upset. The scoring ended up 95-95 judge 1, 96-94 Alongi by Judge 2 and judge 3 scored it 95-95 also for a Majority Draw in this fight! A good fight it was with the action going back and fourth between these 2 fighters. When it looked like Tony was going to take control and put the fight away, Leslie would reach inside and landed some combinations to get back into it.

Alongi file again is just with bio info added, no rating changes.

Rocco