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[TwinsGuy34]

Originally Posted by One Dog

I know everyone does their own thing, but couldn't you just go into Commish mode and extend his contract for whatever team he decides to sign with? Just get out in front of it.

No. No one should have to do that.

[TwinsGuy34]

Originally Posted by craftdr

If you read the entire post instead of just the excerpt, you will see that they are not sweeping it under the rug. Options to try to fix the issue were given and if those did not work you are asked to send them league files so they can look at it. If you want it to be fixed, maybe that would be the way to go. The post is below, also it's only one page back if you want to read it.


Nope, does not happen in our tests. When I looked at this I tested various fictional league configurations and did not run across this, except for the quickstart, which was fixed by increasing revenue a bit.

If you have it happen in your league configuration, I suggest increasing the national / local TV contracts and assigning new fictional financials to teams. If this still does not work, PM me & upload leagues files. It will take a bit until I will respond though, as I am going on an extended break now.

OK, back on topic

Yeah, options that quite frankly, we shouldn't have to do to "fix" it.

Do you not see it? Does this not happen to you? Or are you being a blind fan boy?

I'm sorry, but it's an issue.

[craftdr]

Originally Posted by TwinsGuy34

Yeah, options that quite frankly, we shouldn't have to do to "fix" it.

Do you not see it? Does this not happen to you? Or are you being a blind fan boy?

I'm sorry, but it's an issue.

I'm not discounting that you are having an issue but I am not seeing it in the small fictional league that I am playing. However, that is besides the point, you have been given options to try to fix it and if those are not to your liking, it's understandable. What you can do though, is to help the developers determine what the issue is by sending them your league file. If you can provide that, then they may be able to fix the issue you are experiencing.

Whether you do that or not is totally up to you, I personally don't care one way or the other as I've apparently gotten lucky with this league. If I do start seeing it though then I will do as requested and send them my file regardless if I should have to or not.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by TwinsGuy34

Yeah, options that quite frankly, we shouldn't have to do to "fix" it.

Do you not see it? Does this not happen to you? Or are you being a blind fan boy?

I'm sorry, but it's an issue.

Yes it is an issue for you and some others but, if the developer doesn't see it in his tests what is he to fix?

The fix for the quick start was to increase revenue "a bit", the same fix he is asking you to try in your game. If it doesn't fix it he then asks you to send your file, you know, so he can see the problem and try to fix it. What more can he do since he doesn't see the issue in any of his files? He can't fix a problem he can't replicate or see.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by TwinsGuy34

Yeah, options that quite frankly, we shouldn't have to do to "fix" it.

Do you not see it? Does this not happen to you? Or are you being a blind fan boy?

Huh. A bit harsh, I think. He explained himself pretty well quoting the suggestions from the developer to try, with the caveat that if that doesn't work, personally PM him for further review. That's a fair amount of interest and involvement, I'd say. So I have to ask, did you try that in a duplicate configuration, or save the league and try it with your existing league to examine results? That feedback is the develop part of development, testing the 'fixes', even if you don't see them as necessary. If you have, and it didn't work or it did and you're still unsatisfied for another reason, have you PMd him, with the knowledge it may take awhile to review? Although I think Matt may have a look before then, FWIW.

At least the potentially 'blind fan boy' is attempting to review the suggestions given to you. If you don't follow them and offer a review to further the research, then am I to conclude you're willing to complain, but not participate? I really don't want to start a pissing match; it won't end well. I'm looking for progress on one front or the other and that takes involvement across the board to ensure it has a possibility of occurring. Labeling someone trying to assist in that process isn't helping the cause any more than banging on a gum machine, complaining you shouldn't have to put a nickel in to get some.

Originally Posted by Markus

If you have it happen in your league configuration, I suggest increasing the national / local TV contracts and assigning new fictional financials to teams. If this still does not work, PM me & upload leagues files.

[TwinsGuy34]

Around and around we go I guess.

I don't play any elaborate leagues w/ crazy settings or a million fictional teams or any of that.

I have TWO leagues. One of which is a standard, modern MLB league. I play in commissioner mode and move the amateur draft date up a month. That's literally the only changes I make before starting the league.

The other league is the same type league but w/ fictional players.

I'm not playing elaborate leagues w/ a thousand different settings or new teams or different financials or basically anything other than DEFAULT.

They're run of the mill leagues. I have a hard time believing the issue can't be replicated or seen by literally, ANYONE. It's not like I have a different version of OOTP17.

But, I digress. Matt (and Markus, sort of) said they'll look into it and that's all that can be done I guess. Which is cool. I'm cool. In the end, hey, first world problems right?

Have a jolly day!

[RchW]

Originally Posted by TwinsGuy34

Yeah, options that quite frankly, we shouldn't have to do to "fix" it.

Do you not see it? Does this not happen to you? Or are you being a blind fan boy?

I'm sorry, but it's an issue.

Uncalled for. I have two long term fictional leagues that also don't have that issue. Does reporting that make me a "blind fanboy".

I sympathize with your problem but what is the point in creating animosity by name calling?

I'm curious. Who with this problem has uploaded league files? It's absolutely the first thing you should do.

[TwinsGuy34]

Yeah, well, passive aggressive comments are uncalled for too.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by TwinsGuy34

Yeah, well, passive aggressive comments are uncalled for too.

Have you uploaded a league file? A simple question.

[TwinsGuy34]

In attachment you will see the rating stars and what the player is asking for. This is the FA screen. It's at the start of ST of year 25 into my standard ML format, fictional player league.

A few players (4-5) you see here were asking for amounts double to triple these amounts when FA hit the November before. The top player is a 30 year old closer who put up great numbers. He was asking for, I believe, 12 million/season just 5 months prior. He's now asking for about 8M less and he probably won't get that, if he even signs.

I guess I'm not totally sure why they're not signed. The teams just don't have the money? I just happened to be at this stage of my game and took a screen shot. This particular year isn't all that bad for what I'm talking about, as I said there are only 4-5 of them. Some years have 8-12 guys who have to significantly drop their asking price just to get signed, and if they do sign, it's at well below market price for how good they are.

So, teams are getting an All Star player at 1/4 of their market value. It's just not realistic.

I can't believe I'm the only one w/ the issue.

Perhaps some of you don't know what you're looking for?

[TwinsGuy34]

Originally Posted by RchW

Have you uploaded a league file? A simple question.

Don't know how and frankly, don't want to know.

[Lukas Berger]

I understand the problem and don't remotely doubt that you have it. I'm sure it's frustrating, sorry about that.

Markus and Matt are telling the truth when they say they can't re-create the issue and haven't had the league files from anyone who has had this issue.

So if you want to help and want the problem fixed, please send in your league files and I'm sure they'll get to work on fixing it asap! (though asap might be a little longer than usual since Markus is out next week)

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by TwinsGuy34

Don't know how and frankly, don't want to know.

Here's how.

At this point the ball is in your court (or at least that of anyone else with this issue). Markus and Matt can't fix this without the files. If no one that has the issue sends them in, and you're the only one I've heard of that does, the problem won't get fixed uness they manage to recreate the issue themselves, which they haven't been able to do so far. If you can manage to send them in, it will get fixed.

We'd greatly appreciate if you can help out with this so we can get this resolved. Thanks!

[Barkingturtle]

I can't understand how people don't see this, either. It's happens in every single league I've tried where free agency is active. Every single one. I haven't even made it past the testing stage. Frankly, at this point I've just quit playing OOTP17 altogether, which makes me sad.

And increasing revenue is a terrible fix, in my opinion, because it causes inflation at totally unrealistic rates,.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle

I can't understand how people don't see this, either. It's happens in every single league I've tried where free agency is active. Every single one. I haven't even made it past the testing stage. Frankly, at this point I've just quit playing OOTP17 altogether, which makes me sad.

And increasing revenue is a terrible fix, in my opinion, because it causes inflation at totally unrealistic rates,.

Again, please we need league files

If you guys don't want to go through the trouble of ftp'ing them, throw them on dropbox and pm me a link to them and I'll deal with it from there.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by TwinsGuy34

Don't know how and frankly, don't want to know.

Now who's passive aggressive.

[TwinsGuy34]

Originally Posted by RchW

Now who's passive aggressive.

That's not passive.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by TwinsGuy34

That's not passive.

Whatever. Do you want the problem identified or not? It's not an onerous request?

[TwinsGuy34]

Originally Posted by Habsfan18

Thanks Markus!

Just wondering, was this issue worked on at all? http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...n-players.html

I'll look into how to submit game code (or whatever) to developers but in the meantime, for those of you who question whether this issue exists take a look at the thread I'm quoting here. It's on the first page yet. Habsfan18 did a good job illustrating what's going on..................

[RchW]

Originally Posted by TwinsGuy34

I'll look into how to submit game code (or whatever) to developers but in the meantime, for those of you who question whether this issue exists take a look at the thread I'm quoting here. It's on the first page yet. Habsfan18 did a good job illustrating what's going on..................

Nobody disputes the problem exists. It needs to be reproduced (hence the need for league files) before the logic or lack thereof, that causes the problem can be identified. Markus has already said he can't reproduce it. Do you think he would lie about that?