Market Sizes

[PSUColonel]

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12: Yankees

11:

10: Dodgers

9: Red Sox, Giants, Cubs

8: Mets, Cardinals, Angels

7: Nationals, Phillies, Rangers

6: Mariners, Braves, Tigers

5: Orioles, White Sox, Pirates, Twins, Padres

4: Reds, Brewers, Blue Jays, Rockies, Diamondbacks, Indians, Astros

3. Rays, Marlins, Athletics, Royals

[PSUColonel]

Here is how things worked out after manually adjusting all market sizes and media revenue. I did NOT adjust any of the fan loyalty. I have noticed with fan interest and fan loyalty, some teams are higher than others that might be in a larger market. An example of this is the Cardinals & Angels being higher than the Phillies & Nationals. I put the Phillies, Rangers & Nationals in market "8", while putting the Mets, Cardinals & Angels in market "7". I have also included a copy of how the financial settings look.

I am happy with the Market sizes...I can now adjust fan loyalty based on suggestions of how people might think this list should be ordered. I won't touch the fan interest, as it is based on the team payrolls, and should be IMO. Loyalty however, is a more long term effect a city has for a team.

[PSUColonel]

Here is the 2016 Forbes list of MLB franchise values:

Forbes Welcome

[PSUColonel]

Overall I am very happy with the results here, and would even recommend The 2016 MLB quick start begin using these settings. The only thing left up in the air is a potential fan loyalty tweak here or there, based on your feedback.

[NoOne]

Good to hear. i mentioned that a in at least a couple posts above - about the fluctuation at a particular market size. the market sizes you've put in by hand will change over time, too. pretty sure that's performance based. i don't think they deviate far, but it's possible i guess.

i have low / medium / high estimates on that posted screenshot, but that's for a 30m baseline, not hte default. i didn't actually calculate a low, just the mirror image of max. the -min and -max stuff is just visible because i was too lazy to think it through first, so i did it in steps instead of one formula in one cell.

i was less interested in matching RL. i just wanted the poor teams to be a little richer and the rich teams a little poorer, but not have a completely even financial playing field. i want to be able to keep my expensive players .

[JMDurron]

The only fan loyalty items that I'd look at would be to tweak your 6-12 area from your market size list. My personal opinion would be to go Cards-Phillies-Mets-Tigers-Angels-Rangers-Nats. If you define "city" narrowly, you'd have to bump down the Braves, but their regional fan loyalty is different from the "Atlanta only" loyalty. ATL transplants, IMO, don't give a damn about the Braves, but native MLB fans throughout the Southeast certainly do.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by NoOne

I think 200M local media revunue on default financials is ~18-20 market size, if it gets there.

you have to change the contracts by hand, or change the years to 1 and they will fall into line after it expires (in Team Settings). Use the Accounting info from Front Office to see what next year's media revenue is estimated to be, if you want to change it immediately. remember to subtract national media revenue from that total. also, make sure to type in the correct new total media revenue, not just fix contract totals.

old data just used as filler:
national is ~50M? and average local is 25-30? you'd want to figure this out with certainty. i know at 30M local you can't get above 140M media contract, though.... but with a 200M media contract and a 56K stadium i'd wager you can break 500M revenue in this game, LoL!

then, use a low / mid / high Fan Interest and Fan Loyalty settings and figure out the associated media contract value for each market size. wit that table, you can match up your RL data to the proper Market Size. using the accounting page will tell you the values.

i just did this as part of setting up a new league. screw around all you want as long as things remain in balance and aren't too skewed in a detrimental way.

Could you explain this in a bit more detail? I had this down a few months ago, but after starting a league, the numbers don't appear to match up correctly any longer (unless they have changed for some reason)

My understanding was: estimated media contract - national media (45 million) = local media contract

then: local media + national media = media revenue this year


Is this not correct?

[PSUColonel]

Actually they add up correctly for the current year...I guess the media revenue will automatically adjust for the new market sizes next season...which is fine.

[Le Grande Orange]

It will be interesting to see how MLB itself ranks the market sizes of its member clubs in the new CBA. (It did so in the 2012 CBA.)

[PSUColonel]

Using all of the information I have acquired over the past year...I have put my final Market size list together. This is what I think best reflects the behavior of actual MLB teams. It is based on a few things. Firstly, it is based on franchise revenue. Secondly, franchise value. I then used market size as a way to "right some wrongs"..in that some smaller market teams are enjoying uncharacteristically good years (despite a low payroll) and other teams are having uncharacteristically bad years despite being in a very large market.


Here it is:


12: Yankees

11:

10: Dodgers

9: Red Sox, Cubs,

8: Phillies, Giants

7: Angels, Nationals, Mets, Rangers

6: Cardinals, Mariners, Braves, Tigers, Astros, Jays, White Sox

5: Rockies, Diamondbacks, Twins

4. Padres, Reds, Orioles, Pirates

3. Brewers, Royals, Indians, Athletics, Marlins, Rays


Depending on fan loyalty and interest, the avg. team profit should be right around 30 million.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Could you explain this in a bit more detail? I had this down a few months ago, but after starting a league, the numbers don't appear to match up correctly any longer (unless they have changed for some reason)

My understanding was: estimated media contract - national media (45 million) = local media contract

then: local media + national media = media revenue this year


Is this not correct?

Can anyone confirm this?

[NoOne]

yeah, media rev is local plus national - no other media $

i think the most up-to-date infor on national contract is ~$50M, but 5mill won't make much of a difference... local contracts are slowly sky-rocketing as older contracts come to a close... just look at what LAD makes today and what they made on their last local contract. obviously a small market won't make as large of a jump, but they are making more than enough to carry a 150-200M payroll despite their protests otherwise.


what you are going to see is that the money doesn't add up to what the teams say about their finances <cough Marlins cough cough). this is how they hold cities and local areas hostage for stadium funding, when they can easily afford 100% of the costs relative to their actual cash flows each year over the time that they will use the stadium, and then some.

anyway, you'll likely see 50-60M yearly player contracts (read: Larger than normal 2016 contracts by a lot), if you use RL data for Revenue. double check the Average Revenue per team in the financial settings... if you are significantly above 160-180 you will have significantly higher player contracts in FA. totally your opinon whether that's okay.. but worth brigning to your attention.