Some Jazz-Age Ballparks - Page 3

asrivkin · 05-19-2021, 10:49 PM

Thank you!

There was a request for Hinchliffe a bit upthread, I was thinking I'd try to do that one, bootstrapping off of the one that's in 3D Warehouse. I was thinking I'd start a separate thread for that one and any others? A few of the parks earlier in this thread were used in the Negro Leagues (Parkway Field in Louisville, West Washington St. Park in Indianapolis, Durkee Field in Jacksonville) and I could point to those again in such a thread. I found some aerial shots of Greenlee Field. And of course, you've already tackled the relevant MLB parks that were used.

I'm game to try other smaller ones, but as you know well, the problem is getting any sort of documentation to work off of and make it more than entirely speculative...

silvam14 · 05-20-2021, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by asrivkin

Thank you!

There was a request for Hinchliffe a bit upthread, I was thinking I'd try to do that one, bootstrapping off of the one that's in 3D Warehouse. I was thinking I'd start a separate thread for that one and any others? A few of the parks earlier in this thread were used in the Negro Leagues (Parkway Field in Louisville, West Washington St. Park in Indianapolis, Durkee Field in Jacksonville) and I could point to those again in such a thread. I found some aerial shots of Greenlee Field. And of course, you've already tackled the relevant MLB parks that were used.

I'm game to try other smaller ones, but as you know well, the problem is getting any sort of documentation to work off of and make it more than entirely speculative...

I just did Hinchliffe. It is in my thread. Thanks for your great work!

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asrivkin · 05-21-2021, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

I just did Hinchliffe. It is in my thread.

So I see, it looks amazing! Maybe I'll try my hand at Bugle Field, since I'm living here in the DMV...

asrivkin · 05-22-2021, 12:12 PM

OK, I've got a few more to parcel out here, and then my 1917 Yankees can get on with their Western Spring Training trip!

Here's Pirate Field in Galveston. It had a relatively short lifetime in between hurricanes in the late 1910s, but it did host at least a few Spring Training games between the Athletics and Giants and the local nine. There's no Sanborn map for it and not a lot in terms of photo documentation other than what I've included below, but contemporary newspaper accounts talked about "raising the Jolly Roger" for Opening Day and didn't seem to be kidding, so I included it.

The pleasure pier in the distance is a little bit anachronistic, but not stupendously so. The newspaper accounts were very proud of the "bowl-style double walls" but didn't actually describe them very well, so this is a bit of an educated guess. The parking lot out beyond left field is artistic license, but the claimed dimensions of the field in that direction are much shorter than the lot size, so I figured this was a good compromise...

Google Drive link to Pirate Field

Coming Soon: Rec Park in San Francisco (finished), Ponce de Leon Park in Atlanta (basically finished).

asrivkin · 05-29-2021, 10:29 AM

Here's Recreation Park (technically Recreation Park (III)), home of the PCL's San Francisco Seals from 1907-1930 (save an ill-advised season at Ewing Field). I had a lot of fun making this one, particularly the (mostly) period-appropriate local ads on the walls. There wasn't as much photo documentation available as I was expecting, but there was enough to put something together that I think is correct-ish. I did include the infamous "booze cage", but if you want to watch the game from there you'll need to make your own camera angle for it.

Google Drive link to Recreation Park

I have Ponce de Leon Park in Atlanta and Inlet Park in Atlantic City more or less ready to go, I'll see if I can get them posted this week!

asrivkin · 06-02-2021, 09:31 AM

Next up is Ponce de Leon Park in Atlanta (aka "Poncey"). This was another fun one.

This is its pre-fire appearance in the 1910s/early 1920s--probably nearer the beginning of that range since that's when the photos I found were taken.

Google Drive link to Ponce de Leon Park, updated 11 June 2021

For those interested in these things, in its later incarnation Poncey famously had no center field fence but did have a giant magnolia tree. From what I can tell from research, the magnolia was planted after the era depicted here. Also, there's clearly a fence in the pictures I have. There's also a famous hill in right field, which I tried to handle by telling the game that there's a 40-foot fence starting at the base at the hill, which will hopefully keep outfielders from disappearing into the hillside but also handle home runs vaguely correctly? I guess we'll see. Finally, there are a lot of stories about the tracks that bound the outfield and train crews hanging out up there to watch games. So, I put a train up there and even put a camera angle on it.

I think I have two more to go (every time I think I'm just about done I decide to do another one--it's like chapters in my dissertation were). Then I'll probably take a bit of a break but sum the current situation up with a post. As usual, let me know if you have any problems with these!

silvam14 · 06-02-2021, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by asrivkin

Next up is Ponce de Leon Park in Atlanta (aka "Poncey"). This was another fun one.

This is its pre-fire appearance in the 1910s/early 1920s--probably nearer the beginning of that range since that's when the photos I found were taken.

Google Drive link to Ponce de Leon Park

For those interested in these things, in its later incarnation Poncey famously had no center field fence but did have a giant magnolia tree. From what I can tell from research, the magnolia was planted after the era depicted here. Also, there's clearly a fence in the pictures I have. There's also a famous hill in right field, which I tried to handle by telling the game that there's a 40-foot fence starting at the base at the hill, which will hopefully keep outfielders from disappearing into the hillside but also handle home runs vaguely correctly? I guess we'll see. Finally, there are a lot of stories about the tracks that bound the outfield and train crews hanging out up there to watch games. So, I put a train up there and even put a camera angle on it.

I think I have two more to go (every time I think I'm just about done I decide to do another one--it's like chapters in my dissertation were). Then I'll probably take a bit of a break but sum the current situation up with a post. As usual, let me know if you have any problems with these!

Do the players disappear into the hill in RF?

asrivkin · 06-02-2021, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

Do the players disappear into the hill in RF?

I'm not sure--I haven't played a game there yet, I've just set it up with the grid. I'm assuming (hoping) that since I put the fence at the base of the hill they'll stop there, but I've certainly seen players range far beyond where I thought they should go based on the grid...

kcstengelsr · 06-04-2021, 08:47 AM

Thank you for these ballparks. I am playing 1937, 1958, and 1962 historical seasons this year with OOTP22 and I will use some of these as I sometimes like to play some minor league or Negro Leagues games in addition to major league games.

I do agree that having a few more Negro Leagues parks would be a good thing since their stats through 1948 will be elevated to major league status so they will eventually be recognized as major league baseball. I can think of at least two more Negro Leagues parks that I would like to see. Ruppert Field in Newark and Penmar Park in Philadelphia (also known as 44th and Parkside) both served in the Negro Leagues for quite a number of years while some other parks were only used for shorter time spans. I know that some of the Negro Leagues parks like Hinchliffe, Rickwood, and Muehlebach have been created and I also know that some teams used major league parks like Griffith, Forbes, Crosley, and others. Also, the Chicago American Giants used old South Side Park through 1940 and silvam14 has made that one.

Other parks I would like to eventually see are those of the Pacific Coast League sometime between the mid thirties to the early fifties as the PCL was almost major league caliber back then. I know silvam14 and eriqjaffe have some of them like Seals, LA Wrigley, Sicks, Lane, Vaughn, and Gilmore. Missing seems to be one for Oakland and one for Sacramento along with perhaps the one Seattle had before Sicks was erected.

asrivkin · 06-05-2021, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kcstengelsr

Thank you for these ballparks.

Hi--I think I responded to your PM, but my laptop ate at least one attempt I made. Hopefully at least one try worked! And I'll give you a more proper response to this post soon!

asrivkin · 06-07-2021, 10:02 PM

Hi all,

Thanks to kcstengelsr for serving as an unwitting beta tester for me.

I've been playing somewhat fast and loose with filenames etc. as I've done some kludgey things to get things working and never cleaned them up. I'm going to try to be better about this going forward and fix up some issues with some of my older parks, calling them version 1.2.

As a starter, Here's a link to the new version of Pelican Stadium. I'm calling it that since it literally says "Pelican Stadium" on the park I made, though elsewhere I was calling it Heinemann stadium (as I noted--fast and loose with names). I'm also going to go upthread and edit the relevant post with the new pointer.

For those of you who are curious, One can use TextEdit (or the PC equivalent) to go not only into the .mtl file (as is commonly for instance, to change the spectator appearance) but also into the .obj file. The specific Pelican Stadium problem was that I unknowingly had a bunch of pointers in the obj file to a directory that's on my computer but wasn't included in the zip file.

So, if you find yourself flailing around because some/most/all of a ballpark is showing up black, one possibility is that the pointers in the .mtl and/or .obj files are wrong. You may already know this, but I'm writing it here so that at least I won't forget it in the future.

asrivkin · 06-11-2021, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

Do the players disappear into the hill in RF?

Update: kcstengelsr has confirmed that outfielders playing in Ponce de Leon stop at the base of the hill rather than disappear into it.

asrivkin · 06-13-2021, 12:34 PM

Hi all,

Here's another one I recently finished: Inlet Park, one of the early homes for the Atlantic City Bacharach Giants. There's not a whole lot to work from here, and I couldn't find any interior photos. There's also potential for some confusion (or some actual confusion) since there was a different "Inlet Park" that was very nearby and that's listed in Green Cathedrals, but that one seems to have been this one's predecessor. There's also a public space called "Inlet Park", from which I assume the ballpark took its name.

In any case, this is the Inlet Park that's shown in the Sanborn map that I've included below and also shows up on a gorgeous 1920s aerial photo of Atlantic City (also included below). It sat next to a Curtiss airplane facility, which I included a nod to in the models.

This is another Negro League park for folks who are noting those. The next one I post, which is the last one I have finished right now, is Tate Field on Richmond's Mayo Island. No Negro League team called that its official home, but Green Cathedrals called it one of the most frequently-used neutral sites for Negro League games in the east.

Google Drive link to (updated) Inlet Field zip file.

Bub13 · 06-13-2021, 02:15 PM

I don't play out games, nor do I look at the game's ballparks often, but I appreciate the work you (and others) do for these parks. And as an archivist, I really appreciate and like the historic photos and Sanborn maps you include here. I can't get enough of these old street maps.

asrivkin · 06-20-2021, 09:54 AM

I've actually been calling it "Finley Park" but couldn't resist the alliteration for the title.

This is a bit different from my usual lane, but after some PM exchanges with kcstengelsr I thought I'd try my hand at a what-if. As you may know, Charlie Finley was constantly looking to move the Athletics out of Municipal Stadium in Kansas City. While feints in the direction of Louisville and Dallas, among others, are famous, he also mused about/threatened to move the team to a cow pasture near Peculiar, Missouri. So, kcstengelsr and I thought we'd take Finley seriously. After a bit of discussion, we settled on a park that could seat 10,000 or so, with a very rural view. Whether this would have been a stopgap measure until a new KC stadium could be built, or until a franchise move was approved, or whether everyone would be content with this new park is up to the game player.

Given the time period, I took Phoenix Municipal Stadium by nielsoncp as the base--indeed, he (I assume he? Apologies if not) should get the vast majority of credit for doing all the work. I took the light towers from 1960 Candlestick and 1962 Colt Stadium, both I believe by silvam14. My changes were largely limited to relatively cosmetic ones like ads/branding, moving the fences, and flattening the hill to get a better view of the countryside. I did put in a few Easter eggs for KC A's fans, including the (in)famous Pennant Porch. What I don't have (and don't know how to generate and haven't found pointers to) is separate day/night backgrounds. I'm happy to give that a shot if someone can point me to instructions...

kcstengelsr has beta tested and confirms the field works:
Google Drive Link to Finley Park zip file

Thanks again to nielsoncp for making a great cake for different icing!

The Game · 06-20-2021, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by asrivkin

I've actually been calling it "Finley Park" but couldn't resist the alliteration for the title.

This is a bit different from my usual lane, but after some PM exchanges with kcstengelsr I thought I'd try my hand at a what-if. As you may know, Charlie Finley was constantly looking to move the Athletics out of Municipal Stadium in Kansas City. While feints in the direction of Louisville and Dallas, among others, are famous, he also mused about/threatened to move the team to a cow pasture near Peculiar, Missouri. So, kcstengelsr and I thought we'd take Finley seriously. After a bit of discussion, we settled on a park that could seat 10,000 or so, with a very rural view. Whether this would have been a stopgap measure until a new KC stadium could be built, or until a franchise move was approved, or whether everyone would be content with this new park is up to the game player.

Given the time period, I took Phoenix Municipal Stadium by nielsoncp as the base--indeed, he (I assume he? Apologies if not) should get the vast majority of credit for doing all the work. I took the light towers from 1960 Candlestick and 1962 Colt Stadium, both I believe by silvam14. My changes were largely limited to relatively cosmetic ones like ads/branding, moving the fences, and flattening the hill to get a better view of the countryside. I did put in a few Easter eggs for KC A's fans, including the (in)famous Pennant Porch. What I don't have (and don't know how to generate and haven't found pointers to) is separate day/night backgrounds. I'm happy to give that a shot if someone can point me to instructions...

kcstengelsr has beta tested and confirms the field works:
Google Drive Link to Finley Park zip file

Thanks again to nielsoncp for making a great cake for different icing!

Whats the capacity on this? Love the farm in the background. i will use this for several teams in my USBL - IBL league.

asrivkin · 06-20-2021, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Game

Whats the capacity on this? Love the farm in the background. i will use this for several teams in my USBL - IBL league.

The park it's based on holds 8,875 according to Wikipedia. The Pennant Porch only adds about 100 more. For financial purposes it holds whatever you want to put in the Park info tab, of course.

I'm gratified you want to use it!

kcstengelsr · 06-20-2021, 11:41 AM

Thank you asrivkin!
Historically Charlie Finley threated to move his team to a cow pasture near Peculiar, Missouri prior to the 1964 season and Charlie claimed that he would spend up to one million of his own dollars to build it (Colt Stadium in Houston a couple of years earlier cost about two million). Actually Peculiar is only 32 minutes from KC proper and when the Royals finally moved out of KC Municipal their new place was 21 minutes from KC proper, so Charlie's idea was not completely out of bounds. KC Muni was aging and the city waited perhaps too long to commit to building a new baseball field. Maybe the Athletics might have never moved to Oakland if Finley Park was built. Maybe that cow pasture place would turn out to be a popular destination with gradual expansion for more capacity.

Since this would have taken place prior to 1964 I mentioned to asrivkin that 1964 was the one year that Charlie Finley decided that he had to get power hitters and move the right field corner to nearly duplicate the dimensions of old Yankee Stadium. His pennant porch was declared illegal after two exhibition games and was replaced with a legal 325 foot down the line concept he called one-half pennant porch. His Athletics hit more homers in 1964 than in 1963 with the shorter fences but his pitchers gave up a whole lot more and Finley moved the fences deeper after 1964. I told asrivkin while testing Finley Park to imagine that Charlie's lawyers had convinced baseball powers to permit the original pennant porch. It is certainly unique.

Also, I created a complete sounds file for Finley Park to properly play with sounds appropriate for a small park set in the mid 1960s with a rural feel. Instead of posting a link to them in mods/sounds, I think asrivkin deserves to have the file Finley Sounds here: https://www.mediafire.com/file/u6q9o...ounds.zip/file
Once you get Finley Park going with one of your teams, edit the Finley Park sounds file by pasting all the Finley Sounds there. While playing manual games with Finley Park with Finley Sounds I leave ambient frequency at default but like bumping up the ambient volume to 190 (all other volumes default). You can adjust ambient volume to your taste but if you for example want to occasionally hear Finley's mule or perhaps some cattle in the pasture, pump it up.

asrivkin · 06-22-2021, 12:27 PM

OK, the version of Finley Park I posted a few days ago had not gone through proper quality control. After giving the person responsible (me) a stern talking to, I've updated the version linked above and I'll also point to it here: Google Drive link to Finley Park, version 2.

In addition to having the correct outer fence and fixing some texture files that weren't showing correctly, version 2 has working day and night backgrounds! Thanks again to kcstengelsr for the input!

asrivkin · 06-27-2021, 03:42 PM

Here's another park for your 1910s-1920s use: Tate Field in Richmond, VA. There's not a ton of info out there for it collected in one place, though it does appear in Green Cathedrals and a few other places. I've attached two pictures below, including one during one of its frequent floods. Green Cathedrals notes that it was used for 20 Baltimore Black Sox games in 1928 alone and was used for "various other ECL and NNL teams 1925-1941" and was "[p]ossibly the most frequently used Negro League neutral site parks [sic] in the east."

As you can see from the pictures and park screenshots, it sits on an island in the James River, with a railroad line heading just outside and above the ballpark. I handled the fact it was on an island in a bit of a goofy manner, and the river banks are way way higher than they are in real life. But the park works and is a pleasant enough place to play. Enjoy!

Google Drive link to Tate Field

My next post will sum up what I think I'll be doing next, ballpark-wise, as well as the general thrust I seem to have...

05-22-2021, 12:12 PM	#44
asrivkin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 294	Pirate Field Galveston OK, I've got a few more to parcel out here, and then my 1917 Yankees can get on with their Western Spring Training trip! Here's Pirate Field in Galveston. It had a relatively short lifetime in between hurricanes in the late 1910s, but it did host at least a few Spring Training games between the Athletics and Giants and the local nine. There's no Sanborn map for it and not a lot in terms of photo documentation other than what I've included below, but contemporary newspaper accounts talked about "raising the Jolly Roger" for Opening Day and didn't seem to be kidding, so I included it. The pleasure pier in the distance is a little bit anachronistic, but not stupendously so. The newspaper accounts were very proud of the "bowl-style double walls" but didn't actually describe them very well, so this is a bit of an educated guess. The parking lot out beyond left field is artistic license, but the claimed dimensions of the field in that direction are much shorter than the lot size, so I figured this was a good compromise... Google Drive link to Pirate Field Coming Soon: Rec Park in San Francisco (finished), Ponce de Leon Park in Atlanta (basically finished). Attached Images Last edited by asrivkin; 05-22-2021 at 12:15 PM. Reason: Wanted to add upcoming parks

05-29-2021, 10:29 AM	#45
asrivkin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 294	Recreation Park, San Francisco Here's Recreation Park (technically Recreation Park (III)), home of the PCL's San Francisco Seals from 1907-1930 (save an ill-advised season at Ewing Field). I had a lot of fun making this one, particularly the (mostly) period-appropriate local ads on the walls. There wasn't as much photo documentation available as I was expecting, but there was enough to put something together that I think is correct-ish. I did include the infamous "booze cage", but if you want to watch the game from there you'll need to make your own camera angle for it. Google Drive link to Recreation Park I have Ponce de Leon Park in Atlanta and Inlet Park in Atlantic City more or less ready to go, I'll see if I can get them posted this week! Attached Images

06-02-2021, 09:31 AM	#46
asrivkin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 294	Ponce de Leon Park, Atlanta Next up is Ponce de Leon Park in Atlanta (aka "Poncey"). This was another fun one. This is its pre-fire appearance in the 1910s/early 1920s--probably nearer the beginning of that range since that's when the photos I found were taken. Google Drive link to Ponce de Leon Park, updated 11 June 2021 For those interested in these things, in its later incarnation Poncey famously had no center field fence but did have a giant magnolia tree. From what I can tell from research, the magnolia was planted after the era depicted here. Also, there's clearly a fence in the pictures I have. There's also a famous hill in right field, which I tried to handle by telling the game that there's a 40-foot fence starting at the base at the hill, which will hopefully keep outfielders from disappearing into the hillside but also handle home runs vaguely correctly? I guess we'll see. Finally, there are a lot of stories about the tracks that bound the outfield and train crews hanging out up there to watch games. So, I put a train up there and even put a camera angle on it. I think I have two more to go (every time I think I'm just about done I decide to do another one--it's like chapters in my dissertation were). Then I'll probably take a bit of a break but sum the current situation up with a post. As usual, let me know if you have any problems with these! Attached Images Last edited by asrivkin; 06-11-2021 at 12:15 PM. Reason: Updated file with updated train and renamed day/night 2D images

06-04-2021, 08:47 AM	#49
kcstengelsr Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 147	Thank you for these ballparks. I am playing 1937, 1958, and 1962 historical seasons this year with OOTP22 and I will use some of these as I sometimes like to play some minor league or Negro Leagues games in addition to major league games. I do agree that having a few more Negro Leagues parks would be a good thing since their stats through 1948 will be elevated to major league status so they will eventually be recognized as major league baseball. I can think of at least two more Negro Leagues parks that I would like to see. Ruppert Field in Newark and Penmar Park in Philadelphia (also known as 44th and Parkside) both served in the Negro Leagues for quite a number of years while some other parks were only used for shorter time spans. I know that some of the Negro Leagues parks like Hinchliffe, Rickwood, and Muehlebach have been created and I also know that some teams used major league parks like Griffith, Forbes, Crosley, and others. Also, the Chicago American Giants used old South Side Park through 1940 and silvam14 has made that one. Other parks I would like to eventually see are those of the Pacific Coast League sometime between the mid thirties to the early fifties as the PCL was almost major league caliber back then. I know silvam14 and eriqjaffe have some of them like Seals, LA Wrigley, Sicks, Lane, Vaughn, and Gilmore. Missing seems to be one for Oakland and one for Sacramento along with perhaps the one Seattle had before Sicks was erected. Last edited by kcstengelsr; 06-04-2021 at 08:49 AM.

06-07-2021, 10:02 PM	#51
asrivkin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 294	New version of Pelican Stadium Hi all, Thanks to kcstengelsr for serving as an unwitting beta tester for me. I've been playing somewhat fast and loose with filenames etc. as I've done some kludgey things to get things working and never cleaned them up. I'm going to try to be better about this going forward and fix up some issues with some of my older parks, calling them version 1.2. As a starter, Here's a link to the new version of Pelican Stadium. I'm calling it that since it literally says "Pelican Stadium" on the park I made, though elsewhere I was calling it Heinemann stadium (as I noted--fast and loose with names). I'm also going to go upthread and edit the relevant post with the new pointer. For those of you who are curious, One can use TextEdit (or the PC equivalent) to go not only into the .mtl file (as is commonly for instance, to change the spectator appearance) but also into the .obj file. The specific Pelican Stadium problem was that I unknowingly had a bunch of pointers in the obj file to a directory that's on my computer but wasn't included in the zip file. So, if you find yourself flailing around because some/most/all of a ballpark is showing up black, one possibility is that the pointers in the .mtl and/or .obj files are wrong. You may already know this, but I'm writing it here so that at least I won't forget it in the future.

05-19-2021, 10:49 PM	#41
asrivkin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 294	Thank you! There was a request for Hinchliffe a bit upthread, I was thinking I'd try to do that one, bootstrapping off of the one that's in 3D Warehouse. I was thinking I'd start a separate thread for that one and any others? A few of the parks earlier in this thread were used in the Negro Leagues (Parkway Field in Louisville, West Washington St. Park in Indianapolis, Durkee Field in Jacksonville) and I could point to those again in such a thread. I found some aerial shots of Greenlee Field. And of course, you've already tackled the relevant MLB parks that were used. I'm game to try other smaller ones, but as you know well, the problem is getting any sort of documentation to work off of and make it more than entirely speculative...

06-13-2021, 12:34 PM	#53
asrivkin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 294	Inlet Park, Atlantic City Hi all, Here's another one I recently finished: Inlet Park, one of the early homes for the Atlantic City Bacharach Giants. There's not a whole lot to work from here, and I couldn't find any interior photos. There's also potential for some confusion (or some actual confusion) since there was a different "Inlet Park" that was very nearby and that's listed in Green Cathedrals, but that one seems to have been this one's predecessor. There's also a public space called "Inlet Park", from which I assume the ballpark took its name. In any case, this is the Inlet Park that's shown in the Sanborn map that I've included below and also shows up on a gorgeous 1920s aerial photo of Atlantic City (also included below). It sat next to a Curtiss airplane facility, which I included a nod to in the models. This is another Negro League park for folks who are noting those. The next one I post, which is the last one I have finished right now, is Tate Field on Richmond's Mayo Island. No Negro League team called that its official home, but Green Cathedrals called it one of the most frequently-used neutral sites for Negro League games in the east. Google Drive link to (updated) Inlet Field zip file. Attached Images Last edited by asrivkin; 08-18-2021 at 04:22 PM. Reason: Putting the actual link to the file in, for crying out loud.

06-13-2021, 02:15 PM	#54
Bub13 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Maine Posts: 748	I don't play out games, nor do I look at the game's ballparks often, but I appreciate the work you (and others) do for these parks. And as an archivist, I really appreciate and like the historic photos and Sanborn maps you include here. I can't get enough of these old street maps. __________________ Introducing Your Hawaii Islanders!

06-20-2021, 09:54 AM	#55
asrivkin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 294	Fictional Finley Field I've actually been calling it "Finley Park" but couldn't resist the alliteration for the title. This is a bit different from my usual lane, but after some PM exchanges with kcstengelsr I thought I'd try my hand at a what-if. As you may know, Charlie Finley was constantly looking to move the Athletics out of Municipal Stadium in Kansas City. While feints in the direction of Louisville and Dallas, among others, are famous, he also mused about/threatened to move the team to a cow pasture near Peculiar, Missouri. So, kcstengelsr and I thought we'd take Finley seriously. After a bit of discussion, we settled on a park that could seat 10,000 or so, with a very rural view. Whether this would have been a stopgap measure until a new KC stadium could be built, or until a franchise move was approved, or whether everyone would be content with this new park is up to the game player. Given the time period, I took Phoenix Municipal Stadium by nielsoncp as the base--indeed, he (I assume he? Apologies if not) should get the vast majority of credit for doing all the work. I took the light towers from 1960 Candlestick and 1962 Colt Stadium, both I believe by silvam14. My changes were largely limited to relatively cosmetic ones like ads/branding, moving the fences, and flattening the hill to get a better view of the countryside. I did put in a few Easter eggs for KC A's fans, including the (in)famous Pennant Porch. What I don't have (and don't know how to generate and haven't found pointers to) is separate day/night backgrounds. I'm happy to give that a shot if someone can point me to instructions... kcstengelsr has beta tested and confirms the field works: Google Drive Link to Finley Park zip file Thanks again to nielsoncp for making a great cake for different icing! Attached Images Last edited by asrivkin; 06-22-2021 at 12:24 PM. Reason: New version of file!

06-20-2021, 11:41 AM	#58
kcstengelsr Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 147	Thank you asrivkin! Historically Charlie Finley threated to move his team to a cow pasture near Peculiar, Missouri prior to the 1964 season and Charlie claimed that he would spend up to one million of his own dollars to build it (Colt Stadium in Houston a couple of years earlier cost about two million). Actually Peculiar is only 32 minutes from KC proper and when the Royals finally moved out of KC Municipal their new place was 21 minutes from KC proper, so Charlie's idea was not completely out of bounds. KC Muni was aging and the city waited perhaps too long to commit to building a new baseball field. Maybe the Athletics might have never moved to Oakland if Finley Park was built. Maybe that cow pasture place would turn out to be a popular destination with gradual expansion for more capacity. Since this would have taken place prior to 1964 I mentioned to asrivkin that 1964 was the one year that Charlie Finley decided that he had to get power hitters and move the right field corner to nearly duplicate the dimensions of old Yankee Stadium. His pennant porch was declared illegal after two exhibition games and was replaced with a legal 325 foot down the line concept he called one-half pennant porch. His Athletics hit more homers in 1964 than in 1963 with the shorter fences but his pitchers gave up a whole lot more and Finley moved the fences deeper after 1964. I told asrivkin while testing Finley Park to imagine that Charlie's lawyers had convinced baseball powers to permit the original pennant porch. It is certainly unique. Also, I created a complete sounds file for Finley Park to properly play with sounds appropriate for a small park set in the mid 1960s with a rural feel. Instead of posting a link to them in mods/sounds, I think asrivkin deserves to have the file Finley Sounds here: https://www.mediafire.com/file/u6q9o...ounds.zip/file Once you get Finley Park going with one of your teams, edit the Finley Park sounds file by pasting all the Finley Sounds there. While playing manual games with Finley Park with Finley Sounds I leave ambient frequency at default but like bumping up the ambient volume to 190 (all other volumes default). You can adjust ambient volume to your taste but if you for example want to occasionally hear Finley's mule or perhaps some cattle in the pasture, pump it up. Last edited by kcstengelsr; 06-23-2021 at 05:54 AM.

06-22-2021, 12:27 PM	#59
asrivkin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 294	Updated Finley Park OK, the version of Finley Park I posted a few days ago had not gone through proper quality control. After giving the person responsible (me) a stern talking to, I've updated the version linked above and I'll also point to it here: Google Drive link to Finley Park, version 2. In addition to having the correct outer fence and fixing some texture files that weren't showing correctly, version 2 has working day and night backgrounds! Thanks again to kcstengelsr for the input!

06-27-2021, 03:42 PM	#60
asrivkin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 294	Tate Field, Richmond Here's another park for your 1910s-1920s use: Tate Field in Richmond, VA. There's not a ton of info out there for it collected in one place, though it does appear in Green Cathedrals and a few other places. I've attached two pictures below, including one during one of its frequent floods. Green Cathedrals notes that it was used for 20 Baltimore Black Sox games in 1928 alone and was used for "various other ECL and NNL teams 1925-1941" and was "[p]ossibly the most frequently used Negro League neutral site parks [sic] in the east." As you can see from the pictures and park screenshots, it sits on an island in the James River, with a railroad line heading just outside and above the ballpark. I handled the fact it was on an island in a bit of a goofy manner, and the river banks are way way higher than they are in real life. But the park works and is a pleasant enough place to play. Enjoy! Google Drive link to Tate Field My next post will sum up what I think I'll be doing next, ballpark-wise, as well as the general thrust I seem to have... Attached Images