A Developer's Guide to Strategy

[Syd Thrift]

I guess the one real area where the AI could stand to use the player-specific strategies are:

1. Locking a player, particularly a minor leaguer who is projected to be a good major league player, at a particular position so that he gets experience and so that he can be properly evaluated at the major league level. I definitely see the AI in the major leagues doing weird crap when it thinks center fielder A can provide a little bit more oomph in the lineup at SS than actual shortstop B and can only assume this happens even more in the minor leagues.

2. Locking a player into a given spot in the lineup, although I can also see this as an "AI imposing rules on itself" issue that would only make it act weirder. Still, you know, some guys are just plain 3-hole hitters, or, if you have a not very good team and you have a decent but maybe not the best choice guy to hit leadoff who's going to get angry if he hits 8th or 9th in the order a lot, perhaps locking them into a lineup spot might help.

[DrRicherdKimble]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

If you are GM-only, then your manager may restrict in what way you can edit settings. For each setting, they will either allow full control, partial control, or no control. All managers and coaches have a "default" strategy balance that they will use if you do not override them. If they allow full control (Green ball), then you can set the sliders to anything regardless of their preference. If they allow partial control (yellow), then you may edit the slider by +/- 1 position from their default strategy. If they allow no control (red), then the slider is fixed to what their strategy allows, with no edits possible for any score and situation.

About this, I have a question..

What controls?

1) A manager's max allowable strategy, so for example let's say the most he will let you move the STEAL slider is to the middle

2) Override team strategy for a player and maxing STEAL slider

Is it that simple to get around your manager's preferences or will it only actually work as much as the manager otherwise allows it?

[Pdubya64]

Matt:
Although I know what the word Adaptability means based on the English dictionary, I would like to hear how the OOTP developers define it please.
It is not defined in the digital manual anywhere I can see.

[PSUColonel]

Is there any way to suggest a pitcher for "setup" role?

[Bobbyraz49]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Is there any way to suggest a pitcher for "setup" role?

I'd suggest changing his position from starter to reliever. If in minors do the same. I have played dozens of seasons as GM/manager. Then in your pitchers tab, change him to setup.

[PSUColonel]

Well, what I meant was suggesting a player as a setup man or specialist rather than a normal role. I think this is something that should be considered for 23.

[Pdubya64]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Well, what I meant was suggesting a player as a setup man or specialist rather than a normal role. I think this is something that should be considered for 23.

My take on it is that you control it as GM/Mgr but as GM only I do not have any control over assigning player roles. It's based off recollection, not hard testing, so rather subjective.

Right now the way I do it is under Player Strategy. You can force but not suggest a specific role for a player.
I agree perhaps an expansion to the game would be GM "suggestions" to your head coach.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Pdubya64

My take on it is that you control it as GM/Mgr but as GM only I do not have any control over assigning player roles. It's based off recollection, not hard testing, so rather subjective.

Right now the way I do it is under Player Strategy. You can force but not suggest a specific role for a player.
I agree perhaps an expansion to the game would be GM "suggestions" to your head coach.

yes,...when I say "suggest" that would imply your role is as GM.

[Pelican]

Wait, when I designate a reliever role in the Pitcher section of my team page as manager, does that have no effect on how the AI would use that player in the game? I take care to designate closer, setup guys, stopper, specialists, middle and long relief, even the emergency SP. Is that not determining roles out of the bullpen?

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Pelican

Wait, when I designate a reliever role in the Pitcher section of my team page as manager, does that have no effect on how the AI would use that player in the game? I take care to designate closer, setup guys, stopper, specialists, middle and long relief, even the emergency SP. Is that not determining roles out of the bullpen?

yes, but when you are the GM, you don't have a way to "suggest" specific roles other than starter, reliever or closer. I am suggesting the GM (you) be able to suggest more specific roles such as stopper, setup, long relief etc...

I think usage would still be up to the manager, but I think you should at least be able to suggest roles, and based on the managers personality, he will either agree, or not. This is already the case for many other roles on offense...but pitching is for some reason limited.

[PSUColonel]

Matt:


Would there possibly be a way to notify the user if ANY of the individual player strategies have been altered? Just some quick way to know if you have made strategy suggestions for any given player, as you may want to change these over time as rosters change and other players come and go.

For instance, if I have a player set to be pinch hit for frequently in late innings because he's not a great defensive player, and there is a defensive sub anyway......I may want to know this is set because I may eventually want to change it. It is easy to forget when there isn't any kind of visual cue or reminder.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Matt:


Would there possibly be a way to notify the user if ANY of the individual player strategies have been altered? Just some quick way to know if you have made strategy suggestions for any given player, as you may want to change these over time as rosters change and other players come and go.

For instance, if I have a player set to be pinch hit for frequently in late innings because he's not a great defensive player, and there is a defensive sub anyway......I may want to know this is set because I may eventually want to change it. It is easy to forget when there isn't any kind of visual cue or reminder.

Im not sure I follow you here… basically OOTP already does this inasmuch as the AI doesn’t touch the individual player strategies. In a sense, it “informs” you of them in much the same way it informs you of every single time the game takes Kim Kardashian out on a date, which is to say it never happens so there’s nothing to inform you about.

A single report that shows any/all current individual player strategies for a given team would be interesting, though. Is that what you’re asking for?

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Im not sure I follow you here… basically OOTP already does this inasmuch as the AI doesn’t touch the individual player strategies. In a sense, it “informs” you of them in much the same way it informs you of every single time the game takes Kim Kardashian out on a date, which is to say it never happens so there’s nothing to inform you about.

A single report that shows any/all current individual player strategies for a given team would be interesting, though. Is that what you’re asking for?

What I am saying is, you may have strategies set based on the current makeup of your team...that makeup can and obviously does change over time...consequently so will your strategies. (players developing or declining, other players signed or traded for etc)

This is a UI issue more than anything else. If you suggest or force start a player for a position...currently there is a red position marker next to the player's name in the strategy section....but there isn't anything to indicate you have changed other aspects of a players' strategy. In other words, anything different from the default. It would be nice to have some sort of indicator signifying any and all changes made to a players individual strategy.

hope this better clarifies what I was talking about.

[Syd Thrift]

Sure, at least a "view player strategy" screen would be pretty nice. I know I have flat out forgotten that I put strategies on a few guys (even for the rare dudes you lock in to a given position or lineup spot, which as you say are shown in the UI).