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Do us a little experiment and find some random stranger in the street and walk up to them and tell them all about the atrocities of a computer baseball league being scrambled in your saved game, and I bet their reaction will be "That sucks, but oh well" and they will go about their lives not giving it a second thought. But keep opening new threads about it so you can keep talking in circles. Last edited by DJ_Jak_32; 01-18-2023 at 09:39 PM. |
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Please give your sermons elsewhere. Nobody here is interested in them.
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If this is a thread for genuine customer feedback regarding the recent changes, then let me offer mine:
I think this is a really terrible situation for all involved and I know some very draconian measures had to be taken, but I appreciate the way it was handled in many regards. I think it was nice for the patch notes to be (relatively) clear and concise rather than vague so that anyone who clicked the download knew exactly what was coming, and I appreciate that instead of wiping the leagues entirely they were just geographically displaced so that our fake baseball leagues can go on rather than having to be completely started over from scratch if the league just vanished. I also appreciate the significant effort that was put into trying to salvage and retain as many of the modding threads and mods as possible, rather than taking a heavy-fisted approach of nuking it all and telling everyone to start over based on the new parameters. I am hopeful that some of the kinks in the execution can be worked out prior to OOTP24 and that there is a way to move forward to allow those people who do have strong feelings about having baseball in a specific country can have that itch scratched. |
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As a long time customer who has played this game since 2003 (on the boards since 2004), I find this news disappointing. However, I do empathize with Markus and the OOTP developers as their hands were tied. Having the non-steam version of OOTP23, I personally chose not to apply the latest patches.
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You and I have very different standards for how we should be treated by companies I guess, MathBandit. Perhaps it has something to do with those kinks you mentioned. For me, damaging my product after I've purchased it from you is so far beyond an acceptable company-consumer relationship that I'd never dream of saying, "I appreciate the way it was handled." I agree with you that doing things like trying to protect mods as best as possible was a good move, but that doesn't come close to balancing things out.
I'm also not sure where you're getting "clear and concise" from or the idea that people "knew exactly what was coming." You've seen all the people asking what exactly has been changed, haven't you? |
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I’ve been around since OOTP3 myself. Obviously not thrilled with what is being done to save games even though it hardly affects me as I don’t play Japan leagues. I’d say for the first 15 years (man that’s a long time) I played straight fictional. I might look into going back to that now.
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![]() ![]() I use to play straight fictional myself. After this dilemma I'll be going back to fictional with the next release. My concern is that the entire nation of Japan being removed from the game and blocked from being created.
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The game still allows tons of Japanese players; I think my current save has about 500 players from Japan post-update. It is also my understanding that purely fictional Japanese leagues weren't touched, as long as it was actually fictional and neither the names/logos/etc nor league structure were based on a specific real-life league. |
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At least, that's the best I've been able to gather. It would help a lot for clarity's sake if mentions of [redacted] league weren't banned altogether, so that conversations about what the bug does and doesn't affect are easier to parse. |
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I have every FHM except current one & both TBCB - I actually contributed some useful stuff in TBCB I still check that forum every now and again It has been pointed out to me that if I dont actively play a team from japan then I am just whinning.... apparently setting everything up and playing in God-mode is not a thing... despite that being my preferred way of playing since forever - odd.... oh and I play fictional players BUT actual teams cause you know I play it my way. I never knew I was doing it wrongly Last edited by Kobeck; 01-18-2023 at 11:05 PM. |
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A lot of people are unhappy and have vented, but harping on it is not going to change anything. So why not wait and see what they have to say when they do say something more about the situation instead of jumping to conclusions, and if their response is no better than the deafening silence, then they deserve all the venom that we (the community) gives them. |
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As for the second paragraph, here's an alternate idea: the people who want to vent until we get some sort of statement can continue to vent, and the people who want to wait and see can wait and see. Work for you? |
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As for your 2nd paragraph, you just keep beating that dead horse, nothing is going to change and you will still be fake outraged over something that will be forgotten in a couple months. As I said, you do you and keep on being miserable over some little digital fake baseball universe. |
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But seriously, how many different ways can you come up with to say the same thing? We are all upset by it and we get it, a league is no longer in your personal saves as you knew it, but you are so distraught over digital baseball teams and players, that you are going to open 15 threads saying the same things to the same 6 people but in the end nothing anyone says is going to change that your saves are all changed forever, unless you did not patch the game. As I said, you do you....keep on whining til the sun comes up, it isn't going to change anything. Either buy the next version or don't, go back to a previous version or don't. Do what makes you happy, just do you. |
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