Wander Franco MIA

[kidd_05_u2]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

It's incredible to me that you think MLB and MLBPA would enforce their license with little ol' OOTP and not the exponentially more popular MLB The Show.

You don't know how the license works, you don't know the extent to which the changes affected OOTP, nor whether they affected MLB The Show.

Just to make it clear to anyone who reads, your argument is 'it can't be the license because it didn't affect MLB The Show', even though you have no idea if it affected/will affect MLB The Show.


Also, the Franco and Urias thing is 100% a license issue.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by kidd_05_u2

You don't know how the license works, you don't know the extent to which the changes affected OOTP, nor whether they affected MLB The Show.

Just to make it clear to anyone who reads, your argument is 'it can't be the license because it didn't affect MLB The Show', even though you have no idea if it affected/will affect MLB The Show.


Also, the Franco and Urias thing is 100% a license issue.

So I don't know how the license works, but you do? Apparently the answer is yes, so answer this for me - since Wander Franco is still in The Show, why does OOTP have different licenses with MLB and the MLBPA than Sony does? And what is the difference between the licenses?

[BIG17EASY]

Franco and Urias are still in Perfect Team.

[LansdowneSt]

I still have my Wander Live card too. I also still have Wander in the Standard Game I started a couple months ago for the purpose of making facegens,

I'm not sure what this proves other than it wasn't akin to the *** situation where things were retroactive. Oddly enough, however, Wander Franco is now South African...

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Brad K

I'd really like to know what the license allows OOTP to do that it's not allowed to do without the license. Aside not being able to use team a league logos, what is there? Is the rest like being the Red Sox Official Soft Drink or the Olympics Official Tampon?

It took very little for a league to be removed, and not only removed, but have the game search for and change or remove items from said league a short time ago. There may be ways around some of these things, but finding them here isn't happening and finding them elsewhere isn't easy either.

How do you think the company would respond to a "request" from MLB lawyers? You think they'll spend time and money to challenge MLB or just move on? Precedent says they move on. That means the mod forum here is probably stripped of anything real, same as "that league". Of course users could make their own site independent of "the company". Precedent again says that won't work.

I believe the day they don't have a license is the day they quit making the game.

As to what one gets with the license BIG17EASY covers a lot of it..

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

The MLB license allows OOTP to use team names and logos. The MLB Players Association license allows OOTP to use player names and likenesses, which includes all statistical information related to that player, both biographical (age, hometown, etc.) and performance (batting average, ERA, strikeouts, etc.).

A few versions ago, OOTP was contacted by MLB and asked to stop using those things. Fortunately MLB and the MLBPA were willing to negotiate a license deal, so the game was only without those things for a couple weeks, IIRC. Unlike the foreign league that shall not be named that was removed late in the OOTP23 cycle and is likely to never return.

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

It's the combination of statistics, plus name, plus biographical info (hometown, birthday, etc.) that adds up to use of that player's likeness. It's not just the statistics on their own. If you use Mike Trout's statistics, but call him Bill Jones with different, but similar biographical info, that would (likely) not require a license from MLBPA.

EDIT: Added "likely" in the last sentence because I don't know how constricting NIL laws and guidelines have become now that it's under the microscope with the NCAA.

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Has anyone checked to see if the Wander Franco card is gone from Perfect Team?

They are currently trying to think of a way to monetize on a Wander Franco Youth Legends card but still keep it classy.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

It's the combination of statistics, plus name, plus biographical info (hometown, birthday, etc.) that adds up to use of that player's likeness. It's not just the statistics on their own. If you use Mike Trout's statistics, but call him Bill Jones with different, but similar biographical info, that would (likely) not require a license from MLBPA.

EDIT: Added "likely" in the last sentence because I don't know how constricting NIL laws and guidelines have become now that it's under the microscope with the NCAA.

Based on the past I think the name can be used with the stats. It's an identifying field in the data and the data is not restricted.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by David Watts

When you create a player are you able to add his prior season stats history? Also, I'm not entirely sure how historical ratings translate to the MLB Quickstart type player. I guess one step would be to see if they removed the OOTP23 Franco from the quickstart as well. If not, one could just copy his ratings from there, or tweak them a little.

I guess I'm kind of a hypocrite in the end. I didn't bat an eye when the Indians were pulled from the game completely, but it kind of bugs me when a player is removed. I would want him removed from live starts, but, he did play a significant portion of the season for the Rays, so I think he should e there. Ugh.

I don't believe so, at least not with the "in game" editor. Maybe by exporting to excel there are fields? It might be one of those things a user would have to live without to have the player in their game, or go to extra steps to add in the stats? I'd definitely look at how the historical Franco came out and change what I thought needed to be changed. One could compare his ratings to similar players in v24 as a guide if they wanted to go that deep. Or take him "as is". It's a workaround and that may mean compromise. Though the roster team, IMHO, does a great job it is still a roster built and rated by humans and open to discussion.

I'd go back to how I changed ballpark factors for Baltimore, Detroit, and Toronto in my league. What I did was find the actual percentage changes up or down for doubles, triples, HR. If HR to LF in Baltimore fell 25% (throwing out numbers to lazy to go find my worksheet) I decreased the LF factor by 25%. This meant the other parks had to "cover" that decrease by increasing their LF factor by their "share" of the Baltimore decrease (very small changes when divided among the other 29 parks). Then do this for each category, in each of the three parks, and adjust all other parks afterwards. Is it perfect? No, but I think it's a fair representation and I'm happy with the result. Now when I play at Camden that gulf in LF is a place where HR go to die. I don't recall exactly but I think I spent probably three hours or so finding the data I wanted, figure out the changes, and then edit all of the parks. Time vs. result was well worth it to me.

When v25 comes out I'll check and see how those parks, and all parks have been adjusted and decide if I want those new factors in my game I'm importing, or if I'll stick with what I have.

[jcard]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

They are currently trying to think of a way to monetize on a Wander Franco Youth Legends card but still keep it classy.

Don’t you mean “cla$$y”?