2025 NFL Season Thread

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I don't know. That would be a little weird. I can see the logic between QBs and everyone else, but not much more than that.

I still think you'd have the problem with players not willing to take a stand due to the money they'd be missing. QBs might be willing to make a stand. But that's about it.

You will still have those who are more worried about missing a paycheck. But if they are fighting for things that impact them more directly, they may hold out longer. Not to mention owners can't, say, bring in scab linemen w/o putting their investment in QB's at risk. Or try to get people interested in a bunch of backup QB's to play while the starters on strike. Especially when QB's are already paid enough money that they can hold out longer.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

It's just weird that the MLB has garaunteed contracts and the NFL doesn't when NFL s the more contact heavy sport. Maybe that's actually part of it, there's more of a risk to the owners of injury, but if I were the players union rep I would bring up that there is significant risk to the players too, especially with concussions.

The NFL has a hard salary cap. It's bad enough many players don't live up to their contracts as it is, but imagine having to carry bums multiple years after that. Play up to your contract and they won't release you. I don't know why people have a problem with that.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

The NFL has a hard salary cap. It's bad enough many players don't live up to their contracts as it is, but imagine having to carry bums multiple years after that. Play up to your contract and they won't release you. I don't know why people have a problem with that.

Because owners don't hold up their end of the contract either.

Like I've said before, I don't know why outsiders take sides with NFL contract disputes. It is the most asinine system in the free market.

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Play up to your contract and they won't release you. I don't know why people have a problem with that.

It's not a contract to perform at a certain level, it's a contract for services. You can't ask somebody for a multi-year commitment and then only YOU get the opt-out. (Except for how the NFLPA sucks, I mean.)

Bad enough that the athletes get "drafted" to the plantation, I mean "team", of the owners' choosing, rather than being free to negotiate their employment with an employer that they choose, as everyone here is free to do. Now they're supposed to stay locked in even if they outperform their expectations, but one minor injury or poor spell and it's all "Ha-ha! We lied! Take a hike, sucker!"??

Screw that.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Whenever I see a Cowboys game to be telecast, I have a huge incentive to tune in and root for the Cowboys to lose. Not because of Dallas, or the Cowboys, or their fans, but because of Jerry Jones. Get him to sell the team!

Dammit, I missed this game: Defending champion Eagles edge Cowboys 24-20, and the usual shot of Jerry Jones's grumpy toad face at the end when his team loses. A real highlight for me. What the heck was I doing that was so important to miss that moment?

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

It's not a contract to perform at a certain level, it's a contract for services. You can't ask somebody for a multi-year commitment and then only YOU get the opt-out. (Except for how the NFLPA sucks, I mean.)

Bad enough that the athletes get "drafted" to the plantation, I mean "team", of the owners' choosing, rather than being free to negotiate their employment with an employer that they choose, as everyone here is free to do. Now they're supposed to stay locked in even if they outperform their expectations, but one minor injury or poor spell and it's all "Ha-ha! We lied! Take a hike, sucker!"??

Screw that.

Bingo. I don't get how the public and the media don't see that part of the equation. They are always quick to shout the player should honor his contract, but have their traps shut when dozens of deals are dishonored at the March FA deadline. Come w/that same energy in the spring and I'll believe their indignation during camp. Otherwise, they can miss me w/that hypocrisy.

The NFL system is asinine. And both sides willingly signed up for it. So I don't care about the complaints from either party. FAFO.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

It's not a contract to perform at a certain level, it's a contract for services.

Of course it's a contract to play at a certain level. That's why some players get paid more than others at their position.

Originally Posted by Amazin69

You can't ask somebody for a multi-year commitment and then only YOU get the opt-out. (Except for how the NFLPA sucks, I mean.)

Of course you can. That's the contract players sign every year.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Because owners don't hold up their end of the contract either.

Like I've said before, I don't know why outsiders take sides with NFL contract disputes. It is the most asinine system in the free market.

At no point do the owners agree to pay out the contract in full. The only end the owners have to abide by is the guaranteed money. The rest is usually determined by the player. Everybody knows this going in.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

Bad enough that the athletes get "drafted" to the plantation, I mean "team", of the owners' choosing, rather than being free to negotiate their employment with an employer that they choose, as everyone here is free to do. Now they're supposed to stay locked in even if they outperform their expectations, but one minor injury or poor spell and it's all "Ha-ha! We lied! Take a hike, sucker!"??

Screw that.

It's their league, right? They get to make conditions for employment.

Did you ever look at an NFL contract? I can look at any NFL player contract and spot the exact year their employment is not guaranteed. That's not a lie, they're showing you up front. If I tell you I'll pay you double if the job is great, are you automatically assuming you're getting paid double regardless of the outcome?

BTW, I have a 4 year contract at my job. None of it is guaranteed. It's only guaranteed if they keep us.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

At no point do the owners agree to pay out the contract in full. The only end the owners have to abide by is the guaranteed money. The rest is usually determined by the player. Everybody knows this going in.

And that is BS.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

And that is BS.

Well, when you have BS in a union, you do something about it. The players don't realize how much power they actually have.

Also, a lot of these contracts are backloaded, knowing the player will probably never see that money. A contract that never would have been written that way had it been fully guaranteed.

My opinion is just based on what's better for the game. If there was no salary cap, I couldn't care less if they had all guaranteed contracts.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Well, when you have BS in a union, you do something about it. The players don't realize how much power they actually have.

Also, a lot of these contracts are backloaded, knowing the player will probably never see that money. A contract that never would have been written that way had it been fully guaranteed.

My opinion is just based on what's better for the game. If there was no salary cap, I couldn't care less if they had all guaranteed contracts.

I know what your opinion is. We've been down this road together a number of times. Even though I've never agreed w/it, I want to make it clear my response was not towards your opinion. It was to the system.

The salary system in the NFL is BS. You've heard me say it multiple times. The NFLPA is trash. The players are shortsighted. And the union is not unionized in thought, goals or perspective. The players have allowed themselves to be fooled into signing up for a system they never had to agree to.

Therefore, everybody is getting what they deserve. FAFO.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I know what your opinion is. We've been down this road together a number of times. Even though I've never agreed w/it, I want to make it clear my response was not towards your opinion. It was to the system.

Yes. I figured that out. You're just against the BS system in general. I'm not even sure what you don't agree with. If no money was guaranteed, that would be better for the game, but worse for the players. It's a give and take. You can't have it both ways.

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

The salary system in the NFL is BS. You've heard me say it multiple times. The NFLPA is trash. The players are shortsighted. And the union is not unionized in thought, goals or perspective. The players have allowed themselves to be fooled into signing up for a system they never had to agree to.

Therefore, everybody is getting what they deserve. FAFO.

The players don't care enough to strike. They love the money. Nothing the union can do about it.

[Sweed]

When do they start playing games?

[Cobra Mgr]

Bryce Young is a moron

[Hrycaj]

The Detroit/Green Bay game is going exactly as I thought it would. Watch for a large regression in Detroit this season. Your all-pro/ hof center retires and Brad Holmes stubbornly refused to address the d-end position, especially with McNeil out. Lions blew their opportunity in the title game when they wasted that lead two years ago. You lost both your coordinators and there were stories all summer about how your amazing “culture” had significant cracks. I get it is week one, and I hope they prove me wrong, but this game could not have gone worse for them image wise.

[Cobra Mgr]

Why do they think a player is not allowed to defend himself if a fan hit them?

[Cobra Mgr]

Best games were Meadowlands w/the Jets & Sunday night in Buffalo. Both the Jets & Ravens gave the games away. Especially B'more. Inexcusable fumble by Derrick Henry & the missed XP.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Best games were Meadowlands w/the Jets & Sunday night in Buffalo. Both the Jets & Ravens gave the games away. Especially B'more. Inexcusable fumble by Derrick Henry & the missed XP.

Yeah, and same with WR Lamb on the Cowboys. I give them a pass because crap happens. We're all human. You're never going to be great at all times.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Why do they think a player is not allowed to defend himself if a fan hit them?

I don't know why they think that. What happened? I'm sure you remember this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMcbdBYuGTE

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Bryce Young is a moron

What did he do?