Historical MLB/Minors roster and db issues go here - Page 30

ArcAngel · 07-16-2016, 02:23 PM

Not reading through 30 pages to see if it has been reported, so...

Started off with a clean file, no mods added. Importing real players, all other options left at default.

1969 Historical Season Issues
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Florida International League - should be Florida Instructional League North and show as a winter league

Florida Instructional League South is missing

New York-Pennsylvania League should be New York-Penn League, and should show SSA as the level name, not B & C.

Northern League imports as a Single A League and should be Short Season A

Appalachian League imports as a Short Season A League, but should be Rookie, and shows as B & C on the name.

Pioneer League, same issue as APPL league.

Missing League Logos
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American Association
Northern League
Western Carolinas League
Gulf Coast League

Teams that have AAA/AA combined affliations for a single farm team
================================================== ==

Kansas City Royals
Houston Astros

Though MLB has a 40-man roster limit, all the minor leagues are set to "No Limit".

Spritze · 07-16-2016, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ArcAngel

So this 1962 Syracuse Chiefs Statistics -- Register | Baseball-Reference.com is wrong? Not wrong but unusable.

It says affiliated with both the Senators AND Mets that year.

Dual affiliations are not currently supported.

Spritze · 07-16-2016, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ArcAngel

1969 Historical Season Issues
=======================

Florida International League - should be Florida Instructional League North and show as a winter league Winter Leagues are not currently supported

Florida Instructional League South is missing Winter Leagues are not currently supported

New York-Pennsylvania League should be New York-Penn League, and should show SSA as the level name, not B & C. All levels below Single A are currently lumped together

Northern League imports as a Single A League and should be Short Season A They will be moved to a lower classification.

Appalachian League imports as a Short Season A League, but should be Rookie, and shows as B & C on the name.

Pioneer League, same issue as APPL league.

Missing League Logos Not currently supported
====================

American Association
Northern League
Western Carolinas League
Gulf Coast League

Teams that have AAA/AA combined affliations for a single farm team Not currently supported
================================================== ==

Kansas City Royals
Houston Astros

Though MLB has a 40-man roster limit, all the minor leagues are set to "No Limit". MLB roster limits have no effect on MiLB limits

Leagues are broken up into 5 levels actually designated by a Levels below MLB designation. All below the A level are lumped into Level 4. Level 5 is for Instructional and Foreign leagues and is not used for much yet.

ArcAngel · 07-17-2016, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

Leagues are broken up into 5 levels actually designated by a Levels below MLB designation. All below the A level are lumped into Level 4. Level 5 is for Instructional and Foreign leagues and is not used for much yet.

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Originally Posted by ArcAngel

Teams that have AAA/AA combined affliations for a single farm team
================================================== ==

Kansas City Royals
Houston Astros

Yes, I understand about the levels and such.

I am not trying to assign a dual affiliation. Let me further explain what the issue is.

In doing a historical 1969 start, the Kansas City Royals and Houston Astros both have a minor league team listed at both the AAA and AA levels. However, the Senators also do not have a AA team (the common denominator between all three), and yet the Senators levels show up correctly.

Thus - the Omaha Royals and Oklahoma City 89ers are listed at the AA/AAA levels in the Rosters & Transactions screen, and that should not be the case.

Orcin · 07-17-2016, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

I suggest the creation of an organizational reserve roster so that this doesn't happen. It would be unlimited during the offseason and would have to be empty by Opening Day. It would just be a place where these players could go so the GMs can deal with the adjustments.

That's related to this idea that the AI gets a crack at these minor leaguers before we ever see them. That really reduces organizational control in a bad way.

This is a great idea! I would love to use historical minors, but the inability to maintain control over players after affiliate changes is a deal-killer. Hopefully, this suggestion will be noticed by the development team (since it is more than a database issue maybe it should have its own thread).

Spritze · 07-17-2016, 11:42 AM

it should have its own thread one level up

Spritze · 07-17-2016, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ArcAngel

In doing a historical 1969 start, the Kansas City Royals and Houston Astros both have a minor league team listed at both the AAA and AA levels. However, the Senators also do not have a AA team (the common denominator between all three), and yet the Senators levels show up correctly.

Thus - the Omaha Royals and Oklahoma City 89ers are listed at the AA/AAA levels in the Rosters & Transactions screen, and that should not be the case.

I still do not understand. Please be specific about what teams and or leagues you feel are incorrect.

ArcAngel · 07-17-2016, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

I still do not understand. Please be specific about what teams and or leagues you feel are incorrect.

Allow me to illustrate.

As you can see, there are two AAA teams that show a combined AA/AAA level.

Neither KC nor Houston have AA teams (which is historically accurate), but there should be no reason for them to be showing as a combined level.

The Senators also did not have a AA team, and yet the sim correctly lists the levels as it should, no combos.

Spritze · 07-17-2016, 12:53 PM

This is not a database issue. That is why I cannot find it.

It is a design decision by the game designer who designs the game as he decides.

so49as · 07-17-2016, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ArcAngel

Allow me to illustrate.

As you can see, there are two AAA teams that show a combined AA/AAA level.

Neither KC nor Houston have AA teams (which is historically accurate), but there should be no reason for them to be showing as a combined level.

Isn't the "AA" in the graphic above for "American Association", and not a combined level? The shorthand would match with Cocoa being in Florida State League - "FLOR"; Peninsula being in the Carolina League - "CARL"; etc.

Spritze · 07-17-2016, 10:13 PM

Thou art right of course. Kudos!

ArcAngel · 07-18-2016, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by so49as

Isn't the "AA" in the graphic above for "American Association", and not a combined level? The shorthand would match with Cocoa being in Florida State League - "FLOR"; Peninsula being in the Carolina League - "CARL"; etc.

You know, honestly that never crossed my mind.

That's where my confusion was, then.

Sorry to have bothered you Spritze.

Spritze · 07-18-2016, 01:20 AM

I'd much rather you report an errant error or two than not report one that turns out to be real. One never knows.

guamyank · 08-01-2016, 10:17 PM

Played through entire 1871 season with no problems as Philadelphia Athletics. First game of 1872 season is vs. The St. Louis Brown Stockings. Denny Mack, the 2nd baseman, was used as the starting pitcher, and at the same time he was also playing 2nd base. Meanwhile, Frank Fleet did not pitch. For some reason his position has changed from Pitcher to 2nd base.

Spritze · 08-02-2016, 01:45 AM

Both Mack and Fleet were pitchers as well as position players. In 1871 pretty much everyone was just a ballplayer. Full rosters were usually 9 to 11 players.

guamyank · 08-02-2016, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

Both Mack and Fleet were pitchers as well as position players. In 1871 pretty much everyone was just a ballplayer. Full rosters were usually 9 to 11 players.

Yes, but, Mack was able to clone himself and play both positions in the same game...and there's only one Mack on the roster. At one point Mack was the runner on third base and was also batting at the plate.

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Spritze · 08-02-2016, 12:50 PM

This does happen from time to time. Not a data issue. If you see it again zip up your league files and ftp them in to OOTP. They will be looked at.

Spritze · 08-02-2016, 01:38 PM

and a number of other items.

Quite a number of the AI weirdnesses reported in this thread are solved if Ghost Players are not used with Real Minors. I have not found so far that doing this adds any new weirdnesses.

Praise and Thanks to Markus for this tip!

guamyank · 08-03-2016, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

This does happen from time to time. Not a data issue. If you see it again zip up your league files and ftp them in to OOTP. They will be looked at.

Thanks for the help. It did happen again, on a different team. I think the problem occurs because OOTP is trying to handle playing the game with drastically reduced rosters. Im going to have to start over and come up with a new strategy. Thanks again.

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Spritze · 08-03-2016, 12:33 PM

In 1871 an active roster of 15 instead of 11 and an additional 3 man reserve roster is indicated. Depends on player availability of course.

07-16-2016, 02:23 PM	#581
ArcAngel All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Bremen OH USA Posts: 1,019	A few database/data issues Not reading through 30 pages to see if it has been reported, so... Started off with a clean file, no mods added. Importing real players, all other options left at default. 1969 Historical Season Issues ======================= Florida International League - should be Florida Instructional League North and show as a winter league Florida Instructional League South is missing New York-Pennsylvania League should be New York-Penn League, and should show SSA as the level name, not B & C. Northern League imports as a Single A League and should be Short Season A Appalachian League imports as a Short Season A League, but should be Rookie, and shows as B & C on the name. Pioneer League, same issue as APPL league. Missing League Logos ==================== American Association Northern League Western Carolinas League Gulf Coast League Teams that have AAA/AA combined affliations for a single farm team ================================================== == Kansas City Royals Houston Astros Though MLB has a 40-man roster limit, all the minor leagues are set to "No Limit". Last edited by ArcAngel; 07-16-2016 at 02:25 PM.

07-17-2016, 11:42 AM	#586
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	it should have its own thread one level up __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

07-17-2016, 12:53 PM	#589
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	This is not a database issue. That is why I cannot find it. It is a design decision by the game designer who designs the game as he decides. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

07-17-2016, 10:13 PM	#591
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Thou art right of course. Kudos! __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

07-18-2016, 01:20 AM	#593
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	I'd much rather you report an errant error or two than not report one that turns out to be real. One never knows. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

08-01-2016, 10:17 PM	#594
guamyank Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 297	Denny Mack/Frank Fleet Oddity Played through entire 1871 season with no problems as Philadelphia Athletics. First game of 1872 season is vs. The St. Louis Brown Stockings. Denny Mack, the 2nd baseman, was used as the starting pitcher, and at the same time he was also playing 2nd base. Meanwhile, Frank Fleet did not pitch. For some reason his position has changed from Pitcher to 2nd base.

08-02-2016, 01:45 AM	#595
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Both Mack and Fleet were pitchers as well as position players. In 1871 pretty much everyone was just a ballplayer. Full rosters were usually 9 to 11 players. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

08-02-2016, 12:50 PM	#597
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	This does happen from time to time. Not a data issue. If you see it again zip up your league files and ftp them in to OOTP. They will be looked at. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

08-02-2016, 01:38 PM	#598
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	News Flash concerning the Jim Unknowns and a number of other items. Quite a number of the AI weirdnesses reported in this thread are solved if Ghost Players are not used with Real Minors. I have not found so far that doing this adds any new weirdnesses. Praise and Thanks to Markus for this tip! __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

08-03-2016, 12:33 PM	#600
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	In 1871 an active roster of 15 instead of 11 and an additional 3 man reserve roster is indicated. Depends on player availability of course. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!