Home | Webstore
Latest News: OOTP 26 Available - FHM 12 Available - OOTP Go! Available

Out of the Park Baseball 26 Buy Now!

  

Go Back   OOTP Developments Forums > Prior Versions of Our Games > Title Bout Championship Boxing > TBCB Mods

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 08-12-2004, 08:23 AM   #601
vistaman44
Hall Of Famer
 
vistaman44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Auxvasse, Mo.
Posts: 3,576
Arrow Thanks, Lee

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeSkye
Ladislao Mijangos

I think he was in the CW one.
Thanks for hunting him down, Lee. I did more than 100 in each class, and Mijangos fought in both. I couldn't remember which I had rated him in. Enjoy, Ed.
__________________
---Mark (vistaman44)
http://www.fistication.blogspot.com/

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters, compared to what lies within us."
Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, philosopher and poet (1803-1882)

-----------------------------------
Currently operating 1970s SM-HW, 1940s, African, 1980s LW and women's boxing universes
vistaman44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2004, 09:42 AM   #602
edmastaflash
Bat Boy
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 16
Arrow Thanks Lee & Vistaman

I found Ladislao in the Cruiserweights along with a few other heavyweights from the era I was looking for: bobby crabtree & elijah tillery. Thanks again!
ED
edmastaflash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2004, 09:47 AM   #603
edmastaflash
Bat Boy
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 16
Lightbulb Joe Lenhart

Anyone have or want to take a crack at creating Joe Lenhart. Current trialhorse boxrec ID 016775. 12-23-3 Record. Has no wins of note but has compiled losses to: Tye Fields, Lamon Brewster, Michael Grant, Brian Minto, Al Cole, Andre Purlette, Vincent Maddalone and David Defiagbon. I want to round out my universe with more active trialhorses.
Thanks in advance!
ED
edmastaflash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2004, 10:59 AM   #604
Rocco Del Sesto
Hall Of Famer
 
Rocco Del Sesto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Watkinsville, Georgia
Posts: 2,138
1967 Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight Replay

01/12/67 Thursday
Portland, ME, USA
Felix Santiago – MW (12-24-5) vs. Jimmy McDermott – LHW (21-9-3)

Felix SAntiago - Puerto Rico, Rating 1
Middleweight 1960-67

12 wins / 25 losses / 5 draws / 1 KO

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Santiago managed to finish most of his fights, suffering only 4 stoppages, two of those late, in his career. Unfortunately he had little punch himself it would appear.

Throughout his career he fought up and down the ranks between welterweights through light heavyweights, middleweights though being his primary weight class. He did venture once into the big class fighting heavyweight Charlie Jordan(13-48-2,1) in December 1962 loosing a 6 round decision to Jordan. Big names the Santiago fought were Hershel Jacobs and Rubin (Hurricane) Carter, both of whom were early in their careers in early 1962. From 1960 through most of 1963, there wasn't much else to look at whom Felix took on. IN April and May 1963 he fought welterweight Joe Lissy(22-20-10,4) in 2 straight fights. Lissy won the first a 6 round decision and then Santiago won a 6 round UD in the second. Later in 1963 he then lost by 7th round KO to Larry Carney(28-11-2,19), lost a 4 round decision to Bo Hogberg(36-6-1,25), and then lost 2 straight 6 round decisions to Bobby Cassidy in November and December of 63. Cassidy was 10-0-0 early in his career. In April 1964 Felix lost a 10 round decision to Isaac Logart. A year later he fought a 6 round draw with Jimmy McDermott. Those two fought a rematch on Jan. 12th 1967 with McDermott KO'ing Felix in the 4th. It was Satiago's last fight.

Jimmy McDermott - USA Rating 3
Light Heavyweight 1962-72

53 wins / 17 losses / 3 draws / 32 KO

Hometown: Holyoke, MA

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

McDermott fought Larry Carney(28-11-2,19) for the New England LHW Title in December 1967 winning by 1st round TKO. In April 1969 he KO'd Paul Kasper(30-25-0,19) in the 10th round for the New England Heavyweight Title. They fought a rematch a month later with McDermott stopping Kasper again, this time in the 3rd round. About 2 weeks later he climbed into the ring against Pete Riccitelli(52-30-1,21) with the two fighting for both the LHW and HW New England titles. This time McDermott lost, by 8th round knockout. That was the 6th time in their careers that McDermott and Riccitelli squared off against each other. Earlier in thier careers the two fought straight fights on November 22nd and 23rd, 1965 with McDermott knocking out Riccitelli in the 1st round in both fights. Then in May and June 1966 they fought again in two straight fights, that time Riccitelli winning both the first on points the second by KO.They fought a "rubber match" in October 1967 with Riccitelli going down to defeat to JImmy.

In December 1969, McDermott fought one more time for the New England HW Title, that time against Paul Raymond(12-2-3,7), loosing a 10 round decision to Raymond. Some other noteable opponents were Rudolph Bent(MW,33-48-5,14) who McDermott beat three times, lost two fights to MW-Georgie Johnson(59-22-0,30), beat Billy Marsh twice, and lost a 4th round KO to Frank DePaula. Late in his career McDermott lost fights to LHW-Tony Lampron(36-12-3,18) and HW-Stan JOhnson(26-5-0,11).

The Fight.....
For Santiago, this was the end of the line. For McDermott he was in the prime of his career. Santiago, basically a middleweight all his career did some of the usual moving up and down from his primary middleweight class to the welterweights and up to the light heavyweights. This was the second meeting between these two. Back in April 1964 Felix and Jimmy fought to a 6 round draw in Worchester, Massachusetts. Santiago is coming off a 1st round knockout loss to a Lionel Lfill who was only 2-0-0 in May 1966 and then a 4 round decision loss to a William Burton in August. It was Burton’s first career fight. When McDermott KO’d Santiago in the 4th round here in January 1967, that was it for Santiago’s career.
Don’t know for sure the length of this scheduled fight, but will assume it was a 6 rounder since that is what Santiago was fighting mostly over the last 3 years. McDermott dominated throughout our replay fight with him landing punches at will. Santiago was dropped three times in the fight, but somehow managed to get up each time and carried the fight on through it’s full 6 rounds! Felix went down in the 2nd, 5th and 6th rounds. Needless to say it ended up a unanimous decision win for McDermott, but what shocked me was that even though the first two judges scored each round in McDermott’s favor for 60-51 counts, the 3rd judge actually gave round 4 to Santiago!! It was actually his best round being able to land a handful of punches but, the point count was still 14-5 in McDermott’s favor??!!
Attached Files
File Type: tbdx Santiago_Felix.tbdx (10.7 KB, 247 views)
File Type: tbdx McDermott_Jimmy.tbdx (10.8 KB, 263 views)
Rocco Del Sesto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2004, 11:41 AM   #605
Austin
Minors (Triple A)
 
Austin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 269
I enjoyed your raring of Jimmy McDermott. I saw him fight several times live. He was very exciting to watch, always giving the fans there monies worth. However, he was generally considered a notch below Eddie Ownes, Bob Benoit and Paul Cardoza in New Endland.
Austin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2004, 12:46 PM   #606
Rocco Del Sesto
Hall Of Famer
 
Rocco Del Sesto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Watkinsville, Georgia
Posts: 2,138
Thanks Austin! Hope you and others enjoy him.

Rocco
Rocco Del Sesto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2004, 04:58 PM   #607
LeeSkye
All Star Starter
 
LeeSkye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Igloo
Posts: 1,279
I have sent these HW fighters [127] from the 1920's & 30's over to Cornerwork.

Some of these guys are pretty bad. Frank Zaveta had a record of 2-10-0 and 7 of his losses by 1st round KO. He actually lasted 2 rounds in another two of his losses! His 2 victories were by KO!! Another couple of guys had the comment under one fight that they were so inept the ref stopped the fight and threw them out of the ring!

Bob Mariels
Lefty Bone
Jack Gribble
Lefty Vaughn
Everett McDevitt
Nails Gorman
Sam Lathrop
Ted Schneider
Terry (Slim) Hansen
Floyd James
Sailor Biff Crowley
Leo Barlage
Kid Williams
Frenchy The Coalman [Fred Cunningham]
Pete Marr
Pat Lester
George Gibbons
Al (Sailor) Hoag
Fred Sullivan
Soldier Bob Mullen
Tommy Lee
Roy Taylor
Soldier Tommy Burke
Ray Kronich
Martin O'Shea
Danny Gallagher
Tim Hoyt
Floyd Glotzbach
Jack Noonan
Buck Brady
Francis [Farmer] Lodge
Jack Sherry
Jack Williams
Chet Shandel
Jack Crilley
Curley Fenton
Louie Santamaria
Red Fitzsimmons
Stanley O'Day
Sam Olson
Johnny Thompson
J.E. Mitchell [Big Mitch]
Ralph Alexander
George Bourland
George Cory
Eddie Bowen
Fred Brady
Truck Hannah
Larry Williams
Chub Crawford
Herb Zimmerman
Jack Thor
Tony Drake
Eddie Smith
Kid Henry
Pat McNanney
Kid Harris
Big Jack Hickey
Jack Moran
Sergeant Jack Burke
Andy Schmader
George DeBray
Dick O'Brien
Page Jamison
Herman Heintzenroeder
Dan Ketchell
Frank Montagna [The Madison Butcher Boy]
James Jay Lawless
Young Monroe
Sante De Leo
Mario Lenzi
John Andersson
Rafael Siciliano
Carlo Saraudi [Marco Polo]
Ralph Brooks
Buff McRae
Bob McCarthy
Glen [Sailor] Glickner
Big Ben Sullivan
Paul Hams
Daan Holtkamp
J Van de Neut
Kees Kolm
Buck Everett
Marion Matuszak
Angus McDonald
Pat Lange
Jack Cunningham
Bob Moody
Jack Huber
Nelson DeCharles
Ray Keller
Leon Bourassa
Archie Cross
Jack DeMave
Alex Sclair
Joe Lewis
Jack Stewart
Bert Littlejohn
Harry DeJulio
Big Bill Bailey
Al Gormsen
Peter [NY] Jackson
Buster Martin
Benny Touchstone
Walter Pickerd
Matt Burman
Tony Cancela
Art Sykes
Bud Doran
Tony Myzaka
Harry Hartwell
Harvey Mortenson
Charley Kalani
Edgardo Jose Romero
Battling Mathar
John Schwake
Buck Weaver
Ad Warren
Lou Carpenter
Ab Wolfert
Frank Zaveta
Mark Simon
Jack Livingston
Jack Saunders
Marty Fox
Willard (Rusty) Fields

Last edited by LeeSkye; 08-14-2004 at 05:10 PM.
LeeSkye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2004, 05:11 PM   #608
Tiger Fan
Hall Of Famer
 
Tiger Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Ontario Canada
Posts: 9,836
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeSkye
I have sent these HW fighters [127] from the 1920's & 30's over to Cornerwork.
Wow. Thank you for all of your work on these. It is greatly appreciated. Oh, and keep them coming
__________________
Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles
Tiger Fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2004, 09:13 PM   #609
Gunsmoke
All Star Starter
 
Gunsmoke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,012
Have you already sent them LeeSkye as I haven't received them on my cornerwork email address??

Mark
Gunsmoke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2004, 11:09 PM   #610
LeeSkye
All Star Starter
 
LeeSkye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Igloo
Posts: 1,279
Sent them somewhere. I just sent another e-mail.
LeeSkye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2004, 03:37 AM   #611
Gunsmoke
All Star Starter
 
Gunsmoke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,012
Got it this time

LeeSkye's fighter pack is now available at Cornerwork.

Cheers,
Mark
Gunsmoke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2004, 09:43 AM   #612
edmastaflash
Bat Boy
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 16
Talking Yamplier Azcuy

Anyone want to take a shot at making Yamplier Azcuy, the previously unheralded Cuban heavyweight who KOed Juan Carlos Gomez in the 1st round this past Friday.
edmastaflash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2004, 10:44 PM   #613
Rocco Del Sesto
Hall Of Famer
 
Rocco Del Sesto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Watkinsville, Georgia
Posts: 2,138
1967 Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight Replay

01/14/67 Saturday
Mar del Plata, Argentina
Alberto Massi – MW (18-9-3) vs. Andres Antonio Selpa – LHW (136-44-29)

Alberto Massi - Argentina Rating 1
Middleweight 1964-72

22 wins / 28 losses / 7 draws / 15 KO

Alias: Pirincho
Hometown: Cordoba, Argentina
Birthplace: San Luis, Argentina

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Massi fought his entire career in Argentina. He fought a few noteable fighters sprinkled in between the many local club fighters in Argentina at the time. Some names in the game that he fought include 2 fights against Andres Selpa, loosing a 10 round decision in May 1965 and then loosing another 10 rounder to Selpa in January 1967. In his 2nd career fight in October 1964 Massi defeated Carlos Monzon in a 10 round decision. Later in their careers Massi and Monzon fought 3 more times with Monzon winning all those bouts. Massi lost by early round TKO's in two fights with Fernando Barreto in late 1964 and early 1965. Ramon Avenamar Peralta KO'd Massi in the 2nd round in March 1967. Jorge Ahumada who was 7-0 in his early career defeated Massi in 10 rounds. Miguel Castellini TKO'd Massi in the 5th round in December 1971 late in Massi's career. Some other fighters with noteable records at least include two wins over Carlos Alberto Salinas(31-27-9,12), 4 losses to Antonio Aguilar(79-18-11,15), a draw and a loss to Juan Aguilar(29-18-11,5), and two losses to Esteban Osuna(75-26-16,29).

Andres Antonio Selpa - Argentina Rating 4
Middleweight 1951 to mid 1965
Light Heavyweight 1965 to 1968

138 wins / 49 losses / 30 draws / 80 KO

Hometown: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Birthplace: Bragado, Buenos Aires

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto - LHW version
Game Co. - MW version

Selpa's career had two distinct phases. The first phase being in the Middleweight class. From 1951 thru September 1965 he compiled a 126-43-28,74KO record. On October 13th 1956 Selpa defeated Eduardo Lausse by way of a 13th round TKO to win the Argentine and South American Middleweight Titles. In May 1957 he successfuly defended those titles with a 15th round KO of Ubaldo Sacco. He defended the Argentine crown with a 7th round KO of Tito Yanni in December 1957 and then defeated Humberto Loayza in a 15 round decision in March 1958 defending the South American MW Title. BoxRecord says Selpa was stripped of the South American title in December of that year. A website found about Agentine Middleweight title holders and thier title fights says on the 2nd of October 1958 Selpa was stipped of the title for unsportsmanlike conduct. Does that mean just the Argentine MW title and/or also the South American? BoxRecord says that after a 10th round decision loss to Eduardo Lausse on September 27th, 1958, the Argentine Federation of Boxing relieved Selpa of his middleweight title. So that Oct. 2nd date reference on this other website probably refers to the Argentine title.This same website refers to some extensive "selection disputed throughout 1959" apparently for the Argentine Middleweight title. It says Selpa participated in these series of fights apparently. Farid Salim(47-5-3,18) defeated Juan CArlos Duran(66-9-8,21) for the vacant Argentine Middleweight Title. Later in August of 1960 Salim defeated Selpa in a 10 round decision, but it apparently was not considered a title fight. Selpa continued on thru into 1965 fighting a mixed bag of opponents fighting quite often. Biggest fights in that time period were another 10 round decision loss to Salim and then a no contest with the fight stopped in the 5th round one month after the loss. He fought to a 10 round draws with Carlos Monzon and Miguel Angel Paez and lost a 10 round decision to Paez. By September of 1965, Selpa apparently made the decision to move up to the light heavyweight division to get another chance at a title fight.

In October 1965 Selpa and Paez fought one anther again. This fight was apparently part of the maneuvering by both Selpa and Paez for the then vacant Argentine LHW title. Jose Angel Manzur(31-33-14,13) had won the Argentine LHW title back in 1962. Over the next couple of years he fought 4 times against non contending competition when Manzur then decided he wanted to move outside of South America and take his career abroad to Europe. A website dealing with ARgentine light heavyweight title fights says that on the 7th of May 1964 Manzur was stripped of the title for going outside the country to fight without authorization apparently from the Argentine Boxing Federation. This fight between Selpa and Paez in October 1965 was not a title fight. It ended in a 10 round draw. Then in early December 1965, Selpa and Paez fought once again and this time the fight was declared for the Argentine Light Heavyweight Title. Selpa defeated Paez in a 12 round decision. From that time on, Selpa fights as a light heavyweight looking at the opponents he fought on through to the end of his career in 1968. He fought an occasional middleweight class fighter but he should be considered a light heavyweight division fighter from this time on. In October 1966 he knocks out in the 6th roudn a Nestor Peralta, with this fight reported being for the South American Light HW Title. A month later though, Selpa fights Rubens Alves de Oliveira for what BoxRecord shows bing for the then vacant South American LHW Title. Selpa wins by TKO in the 12th and now holds the distinction of holding duel Argentine titles in the Middleweight and then the Light Heavyweight divisions. After one more win in 1966 and a win and loss in 1967, Selpa goes out of South America for the one and only time in his career in late February 1967 to take on Bob Foster in Washington D.C., USA. Selpa is no match for Foster being stopped in the 2nd round. Selpa goes back to Argentina where he finishes out his career within a year of that loss to Foster.Five months after the Foster fight Selpa looses a 10 round decision to Gregorio Peralta. He then fights a 7 round technical draw with some unknown before he takes on old nemisis, Miguel Angel Paez. They meet up again in September 1967 for the Argentine LHW Title. This time Paez takes the title with a 12 round decision. A couple months later Selpa wins his 138th and last career fight against unknown Nelson Valdez. Then in February 1968 Selpa and Paez square off one last time, this time for the South American LHW Title. Paez knocks out Selpa in the 10th round. Selpa hangs up the gloves after that. From those two back to back Paez fights in 1965 on through this last Paez fight Selpa's record was 12-6-2,6KO's in what you would consider as his career as a Light heavyweight.

The fight.....
I at first overlooked this fight. I go through BoxRecord searching by the Date fights for each day of 1967 that they list fights for. In my original go through of some of the early days of 1967 I noticed that I didn’t have any fights noted down for January 13th and 14th. I decided to double check because I’m beginning to see by what I came up with for the next fight we’ll review on the 15th between Ray Anderson and Tom Bell, that when BoxRec lists fighters weight division there may be a definite difference in weight class a guy was fighting in in 1967 vs what Box Rec lists him as. A case in point I discovered with Andres Selpa. Box Rec lists him as a Middleweight and the game company had him rated as such, but as my review of his career will show Selpa was in actuality by 1967 fighting as a Light Heavyweight. Thus I’m including this fight in my 67 replay here. To do so, I’ve rated Selpa as a LHW for the portion of his career that covers that time he fought as a LHW. Massi, even though he took on a few LHW’s, he can and should be considered a middleweight for his career.
By January 1967 Massi was in the middle of a modest career in Argentina that was fought exclusively in his homeland. He would never fight outside of Argentina. Selpa was in actuality nearing the end of a long and very successful career in South America. The first 3/4th’s of it was in the Middleweight division. He then moved up to LHW by 1965. In November of 1966 he’d defeated a Rubens Oliveira for the South American LHW Title to add to the Argentine LHW crown that he already held. He won another fight in mid December 1966 to set up this fight with Massi.
The real thing in 1967, Massi took Selpa the full distance in this scheduled 10 round fight. Our replay came out quite different. Round 1 started out and went most of the way in Selpa’s favor until Massi managed to landed a sharp combination that stunned Selpa. Massi carries that momentum into the 2nd round landing a hard cross about 15 seconds into the 2nd. Selpa though manages to slow the action giving him time to recover. They then exchange hooks and upperscuts. After some posturing around by both fighters Selpa lands a good punch that was part uppercut part hook. Both fighters manage to land a found punches over the last minute of the fight leaving it a very close round, though the three judges all score it in Selpa’s favor, but this fan would have scored it a dead even round. The third round starts with Massi rushing out at the bell, but Selpa catches Massi with a sweet uppercut that puts Massi back on his heels. Selpa lands with a hook and then a violent shot under the ribcage (there’s that ribcage shot again!!) that puts Massi on his knees for a 3 count. Massi gets up but Selpa quickly lands another uppercut that hurts Massi again and he retreats into a corner. The action over the last 1:10 of the round…..
Andres Antonio Selpa is moving his head and shoulders side to side, but his feet are not going anywhere, giving Alberto Massi a decent target to shoot for. 0:16 01:25 Selpa misses with the left and then fails to connect with the right as well. 0:16 01:31 Selpa gets in close and comes straight up to the chin of Alberto Massi with an uppercut. 0:18 01:31 Selpa is raining blows on the obviously hurt Massi. Selpa wants to take the decision out of the hands of the judges and he has a chance to do just that! 0:18 01:44 Andres Antonio Selpa charges in but Massi avoids the rush. 0:18 01:53 There's a straight right by Selpa! 0:23 01:53 Massi looks like he was hurt by that punch! 0:23 02:02 Selpa has Alberto Massi pinned! 0:23 02:06 Selpa fires a left hand that Massi takes high on the shoulder. 0:23 02:13 Selpa throws a flurry of punches; at least two solid shots made it through. Now he moves away. 0:25 02:13 Selpa's last punch has given him a chance to end the fight this round. He's got Massi on Queer Street. Now, can Selpa finish him? 0:25 02:21 The action is back at ring center. 0:25 02:21 Selpa hooks off the jab and bangs a shot to the body. 0:27 02:21 Selpa has Massi reeling. Selpa can win the fight right now if he doesn't get sloppy and just flail away. 0:27 02:26 Selpa motions for Jay Referson to stop the fight... Jay Referson is going to do it!! It's a TKO!!! TKO at 2:26 of the 3rd round for Andres Antonio Selpa!

I've included both my LHW and the original MW version of Selpa. The middleweight version I changed the career stage years on it though to 1951 to 1965.

In the Missing photo's thread I'm going to post a picture of Selpa that I found.

Rocco
Attached Files
File Type: tbdx Selpa_AndresAntonio.tbdx (14.3 KB, 243 views)
File Type: tbdx Selpa_AndresAntonio.tbdx (14.2 KB, 203 views)
File Type: tbdx Massi_Alberto.tbdx (10.5 KB, 227 views)
Rocco Del Sesto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2004, 10:52 PM   #614
Rocco Del Sesto
Hall Of Famer
 
Rocco Del Sesto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Watkinsville, Georgia
Posts: 2,138
1967 Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight Replay

1/15/67 Sunday
Akron, OH, USA
Tom Bell – LHW (0-1-0) vs. Ray Anderson - Heavyweight (8-0-0)

Tom Bell - USA Rating 1
Light Heavyweight 1962,67

0 wins / 2 losses / 0 draw / 0 KO

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Someone from out of the Akron/Cleveland area of Ohio who gave Marion Connor a bout in November 1962 loosing to Marion by 3rd round KO and then came back in Jan. 1967 to climb into the ring against Ray Anderson. Anderson KO'd Bell in the first round.

Ray Anderson - USA
Heavyweight 1965-70 Rating 5
Light Heavyweight 1970-77 Rating 2

35 wins / 19 losses / 5 draws / 20 KO

Hometown: Akron, OH
Birthplace: Anniston, AL
Manager: Joseph Gennaro/Dean C.

Yes, the TBCB has Anderson rated as a Light Heavy and is probably mentioned in writing(at least where I could find mention of him) as a Light Heavy, but when you study is record in BoxRec and look at his opponents, over the first ½ of his career, he fought predominantly heavyweights as they are classified in BoxRec and as their careers would show. Of Anderson’s first 8 fights, 1 was against a middleweight, Larry Tadum, 1 against Light Heavy Al (Tiger) Williams and 1 against a James Ross who’s not given a weight class in BoxRec. The other 5 opponents were heavyweights as listed in boxrec. If you look at the course of his career up through his fight with Hydra Lacey in January 1970, the fights are predominantly against heavyweights. During this period he fashioned a 30-2-0 record with 20 KO’s. His 2 losses were by KO and TKO. Its at that point that there is a definite shift in the class of fighters that Anderson took on. Starting with Allen Thomas in March 1970, Ray’s opponents through the rest of his career are now predominantly Light heavyweight. It’s interesting to note that the caliber of fighters he took on in these later bouts with light heavyweights is much better for the most part then the heavyweights he fought earlier on. There’s a big turn in the fortunes of his career though at this point. From that Thomas fight on, Ray fashions only a 5-17-5 record with no KO’s while he’s stopped in 9 of his 17 losses. Quite a change in outcomes of his fights against that better class of light heavyweights fought in the latter half of his career. Looking at this I felt there was a definite need to come up with a heavyweight rating for Ray Anderson along with a light heavyweight. During the course of my play testing I’ve come up with a new light heavyweight overall rating that is a 2 compared to the 4 in that came with the game. Ray’s heavyweight rating on the other hand is a 5. Many of you may disagree with all of this, but I wanted to give you the background of why I’m showing Anderson as a heavyweight. Tom Bell, he was just a local guy from Akron it would appear who agreed to give Anderson a fight back in January 1967 even though he’d not fought professionally since 1962 according to BoxRec.

The Fight....
The fight in 1967 was no fight at all apparently with Anderson knocking out Bell in the first round. Our replay outcome was pretty predictable. Anderson comes out quick landing a hard lead right hand. He misses with some jabs then lands a right hand flush to the chin a crushing cross that leaves Bell struggling to hang on only a minute into the fight. Anderson then lands a hook and after Bell misses with a wild left hand, Anderson lands a crushing blow to the ribcage of Bell sending Tom down on his knees. Bell manages to regain his feet in a 5 count. But Anderson has Bell reeling back on his heels. Ray lands a clean jab and then drills him with a quick right, left and right combination! Bell can’t fend for himself and the referee sees it as he suddenly steps in and stops the fight. A first round TKO victory for Ray Anderson at the 2:42 mark!
Attached Files
File Type: tbdx Anderson_Ray.tbdx (9.4 KB, 217 views)
File Type: tbdx Anderson_Ray.tbdx (9.4 KB, 226 views)
File Type: tbdx Bell_Tom.tbdx (9.5 KB, 229 views)
Rocco Del Sesto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2004, 03:45 PM   #615
Rocco Del Sesto
Hall Of Famer
 
Rocco Del Sesto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Watkinsville, Georgia
Posts: 2,138
1967 Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight Replay

We’re now heading into a very busy day…

01/16/67 Monday
Walpole, ON., Canada
Sonny King – HW (5-1-0) vs. Frank Bullard – LHW (5-2-0)


Sonny King - USA Rating 1
Heavyweight 1966-70
5 wins / 5 losses / 0 draw / 3 KO

Alias: William Jones
Hometown: Henderson, NV

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

After starting out his career with 4 straight wins including 3 TKO's and a UD, King lost 5 of his last 6 including 4 straight by KO. The 5th loss was a TKO. He beat Gary Bates(17-18-2,6) and Jesse Bolen(2-8-0,0) in those first 4 wins. The 4 KO losses were to Frank Bullard(9-15-0,7), Bowie Adams(22-12-4,21), Tony Longoria(20-1-2,18) and Jim Lee Elder(12-1-1,10).


Frank Bullard - Canada Rating 1
Light Heavyweight 1965-71,78
9 wins / 15 losses / 0 draw / 7 KO

Hometown: Toronto, ON

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Bullard fought regularly until the end of 1971 and then did not fight again until coming out of "retirement" in April and May 1978 for two fight in which he was KO'd by Eddie Melo in the 1st round and then KO'd in the 4th round by Ibar Arrington. Bullard is rated here based on not including in that aborted unretirement in 1978.

His first career fight was against Bob Felstein who was fighting the 2nd fight of a modest 16-14-1 career. Bullard defeated Felstein in a 6 round decision. Other fights of note in Bullard's career were a 5th round KO over Vic Brown(27-29-0,19), a 12 round decision loss to Al Sparks(18-12-1,5) in May 1968 for the Canadian Light HW Title, a 10 round decision loss to Teddy Wright(50-22-9,27), a 10 round loss to Charley Chase(21-13-1,7) in an eliminator fight for the Canadian Heavyweight Championship. Bullard's career ended with 7 consecutive defeats up through 1971. Count the 2 losses in 78 it's 9 straight losses ending his career for good. Those losses included 6 straight KO's including ones to Ron Stander, John Conteh and Bill Drover.

The Fight.....

A couple of journeyman club fighters, one from Toronto, Canada the other out of Nevada. Bullard is fighting in front of the “home” crowd. He’s had a decent start to his young career. Fought and defeated Bob Felstein and Vic Brown, them being the biggest name opponents. King on the other hand is heading into the down turning end of his career.
This is one of those fight replays that comes out about dead nuts on with what really happened in 1967, though it took a very sudden and dramatic turn of events to do so. Back in 67, Bullard knocked out King in the 2nd round. Our replay though starts out like King is going to pull out the KO. The fight starts out slow with Bullard missing with everything he’s throwing. King manages to land an uppercut and a decent hook that land. Then a little under the 2 minute mark, King lands another uppercut that staggers Bullard. King follows that ending the round with some strong jabs that leaves Bullard retreating against the ropes before the bell ends the round. King comes out with a 10-9 advantage on all 3 judges cards for that round. The second round goes about 2-1/2 minutes of more of the 1st round, with Bullard unable to do a whole lot of anything. King manages again a slight advantage. At around the 2:20 mark, King throws a flurry of punches, but Bullard either blocks them or slips by them. Then all of sudden Bullard comes in with a strong combination and he connects and King drops to the canvas!! King can’t beat the count!! A sudden, shocking KO at the 2:44 mark of the 2nd round for Frank Bullard!!!
Attached Files
File Type: tbdx King_Sonny.tbdx (9.7 KB, 251 views)
File Type: tbdx Bullard_Frank.tbdx (10.4 KB, 255 views)
Rocco Del Sesto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2004, 07:35 PM   #616
Rocco Del Sesto
Hall Of Famer
 
Rocco Del Sesto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Watkinsville, Georgia
Posts: 2,138
1967 Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight Replay

01/16/67 Monday
Manchester, England
Roger Woodworth – MW (3-7-0) vs. Sean Dolan – LHW (4-0-0)

Roger Woodworth - UK Rating 1
Middleweight 1964-67

3 wins / 9 losses / 0 draw / 2 KO

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Not much to talk about here with Woodworth. Fought pretty much MW competition with a couple heavyweights thrown in. Not sure why BoxRec lists him as a light middleweight though. Only his last opponent Dick Griffiths whom he also fought in his next to last fight is listed in BoxRec as a light MW also. Sean Dolan whom Woodworth lost to in his next to last fight, is rated a light heavy. After starting out a modest 3-3-0 Roger lost his last 6 fights and quickly dissappeared from the boxing scene.

Sean Dolan - Was posted in an earlier fight in this replay.

The Fight....
Not much to talk about these two guys. Sean Dolan we saw a week ago here in Manchester when he won a UD against Zeke Ukario to up his record to 4-0-0. Woodworth, he’s nearing the end of his career. He’s not fought since June of last year loosing by TKO in the 6th round to a Dick Griffiths. Roger’s is riding a 4 fight loosing streak coming into this one here against Dolan.
In 1967, these two battle through 6 rounds with Dolan winning by split decision. Here’s another replay that ends dead on like the real thing! I’m not going to go into much detail with this one other then to say it was a close fight, back and forth action with the point margins in most of the rounds pretty close within 2-4 of each other. It ended up another split decision win for Dolan with judge 1 scoring it 58-56 Dolan, judge 2 went 57-58 Woodworth, while judge 3 scored it 59-55 Dolan, giving only the 3rd round to Woodworth.
Attached Files
File Type: tbdx Woodworth_Roger.tbdx (9.8 KB, 278 views)
Rocco Del Sesto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2004, 05:06 PM   #617
LeeSkye
All Star Starter
 
LeeSkye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Igloo
Posts: 1,279
Sent the following 71 HWs from the 1920s & 30s [some seaking into the 40's] over to cornerwork, I'll post a few of their pics over in the pics string.

Bob Mills
Roy (Ace) Clark
Gordon Munce U. S. Amateur Men's Boxing Champion 201 lbs. 1921
Hagan Hassan
Nick Fadil The Syrian Assassin
Lew Warshaw
Gust "Gus" Berger
George Slack
Frankie Edgren
Eddie Houghton
Juanito Olaquibel
Big Sid Terris
George Theodoratus
Antonio de la Mata
Francisco Cruz
Abe Callahan Lipschitz
Joe Vincha
Sam Silverberg
Guardsman Gater
Frank Goddard
Jack Petersen
Reggie Meen
Dick Power
Bill Partridge
Jack Pettifer The Brittish Carnera
Jim Tracey
Chet McIntyre
Jack Downey
Earl Ritchie
Larry Seratti
George "Buster" Trenkle
Jack Doyle The Gorgeous Gael
Eddie Callahan
Jack Dill
Rex Powers
Benny Cross
Jack Russell
Jose Carrillo
Eddie "Kid" Sullivan
Art Sharkey
Harry Pickett
Tobey Owens
Bob Ford
Soldier Fuqua
Marine Hansel
Tom Devine
Toni Moreno
Johnny Ziegler
Jack Pallat U. S. Amateur Men's Boxing Champion 201 lbs. 1930 1931
Steve Simon
Al "Big Boy" Bray
Leroy Haynes
Abe Feldman
Pio Pico
"Bomber" Bob Bonger
Bill Fogarty
Bob (Kid) Grant
Joe Oliver
Jim Griffiths
Ray Bennett
Ray Burns
Ruby Schwartz
Phil Cohen
Jerry Garfield
James Wilde
Tommy Martin "The British Brown Bomber"
LeeSkye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2004, 06:08 PM   #618
jofre
Hall Of Famer
 
jofre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 2,139
Harold Mays_Full Pose

Here is the full shot of Mays. I'm pretty sure its not Braddock? But, there is a slight resemblance.
Attached Images
Image 
__________________
jofre
jofre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2004, 06:11 PM   #619
jofre
Hall Of Famer
 
jofre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 2,139
Artie Levine

Here is another of Levine.
Attached Images
Image 
__________________
jofre
jofre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2004, 09:07 PM   #620
Cap
Hall Of Famer
 
Cap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Large Province in God's Country
Posts: 8,002
Here's the best I've been able to find of Harold Mays (for comparison). What do you think, Jofre? Note the curly locks. Taken when he was a sparring partner for Gene Tunney.

Cap
Attached Images
Image 
__________________
"...There were Giants in Those Days.."
Cap is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:55 AM.

 

Major League and Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of Major League Baseball. Visit MLB.com and MiLB.com.

Officially Licensed Product – MLB Players, Inc.

Out of the Park Baseball is a registered trademark of Out of the Park Developments GmbH & Co. KG

Google Play is a trademark of Google Inc.

Apple, iPhone, iPod touch and iPad are trademarks of Apple Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries.

COPYRIGHT © 2023 OUT OF THE PARK DEVELOPMENTS. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

 

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright © 2024 Out of the Park Developments