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rudel.dietrich · 12-08-2020, 03:39 PM

Here is a pretty neat story

https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/12/08/ne...HIS%20-%20List

Westheim · 12-08-2020, 05:17 PM

That was neat indeed.

Now sign Bauer! He wants to sign! Just show him the dotted line!

rudel.dietrich · 12-08-2020, 05:53 PM

As a Braves fan, I have to stay I really don't like this new Mets front office who practices such things as 'smarts', 'sanity' and 'analytics'

I much prefer the old front office who made decisions based on rolling chicken bones and the phases of the moon.

Westheim · 12-08-2020, 05:57 PM

And even then it better cost nothing!

They, too, might have signed the guy for $750k.

Then grandly announced that he'd be the setup guy. Or fourth starter.

Déjà Bru · 12-10-2020, 10:59 AM

Newsday is saying that the Mets appear to be opting for free agent catcher James McCann over J.T. Realmuto. The thinking is this:

The Mets signing McCann would mean passing on J.T. Realmuto, by far the top backstop available on the open market and arguably the best catcher in baseball.

Realmuto and McCann have been comparable hitters the past two years — since the start of McCann’s breakout in 2019 — but Realmuto comes with a longer track record of success and greater overall ability, particularly defensively. Realmuto is nine months younger than McCann, who is heading into his age-31 season.

McCann, though, presumably would be cheaper and likely would agree to a shorter contract. If they fill their catcher hole with a less-expensive choice, it leaves the Mets more flexibility to go big in other areas of need: centerfield (George Springer is the top free agent) and the rotation (NL Cy Young Award winner Trevor Bauer is the best option available).

Any team that signs McCann to a multiyear contract would be betting that his recent improvements, which have been drastic, are sustainable.

If this is so, then it looks like Cohen money is not inexhaustible and that the Mets must still make good financial decisions even under new management. Which is probably a healthy thing.

Westheim · 12-12-2020, 01:39 PM

The kids on the street say the Mets add James McCann for 4-yr, $40M+.

That's the appetizer, right, Uncle Steve? For when you give us Springer and Bauer, right? Uncle Steve? (tugs on Uncle Steve's sleeve) Uncle Steve, say something, please!

Déjà Bru · 12-12-2020, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Westheim

The kids on the street say the Mets add James McCann for 4-yr, $40M+.

That's the appetizer, right, Uncle Steve? For when you give us Springer and Bauer, right? Uncle Steve? (tugs on Uncle Steve's sleeve) Uncle Steve, say something, please!

That article says "A four-year deal for McCann would effectively bridge the gap for the Mets between now and when their No. 2 prospect, Francisco Alvarez, is ready" which is a nice thought. Never a guarantee when talking about a 19-year-old in Rookie/A ball but something to hope for.

swoboda · 12-22-2020, 01:48 PM

NY media reporting the Amazins are in the hunt for ace hurler from Japan.

Westheim · 12-22-2020, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swoboda

NY media reporting the Amazins are in the hunt for ace hurler from Japan.

Eh, those always get hurt...

Déjà Bru · 12-23-2020, 03:04 PM

Mets, Noah Syndergaard reach one-year, $9.7M deal to avoid arbitration

Syndergaard, who underwent Tommy John surgery in March, will make the same salary he would have made in a full 2020 season. Team president Sandy Alderson recently said he hopes Syndergaard will be able to rejoin the rotation in June.

Seems reasonable, given the circumstances. Maybe even a trifle generous.

CBeisbol · 12-23-2020, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Mets, Noah Syndergaard reach one-year, $9.7M deal to avoid arbitration

Syndergaard, who underwent Tommy John surgery in March, will make the same salary he would have made in a full 2020 season. Team president Sandy Alderson recently said he hopes Syndergaard will be able to rejoin the rotation in June.

Seems reasonable, given the circumstances. Maybe even a trifle generous.

MLBTR figured 9.7 million
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/...-for-2021.html

ohiodevil · 01-07-2021, 12:43 PM

Looks like the Mets landed Lindor (and Carrasco) from Indians.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/...edium=facebook

Jeff Passan tweeted this:

So far what we know of the New York-Cleveland blockbuster:

Mets get: SS Francisco Lindor and RHP Carlos Carrasco (as @Feinsand
reported)

Cleveland gets: SS Amed Rosario, IF Andres Gimenez, RHP Josh Wolf, OF Isaiah Greene

Déjà Bru · 01-07-2021, 01:30 PM

Westheim will be rubbing his paws over this one.

ohiodevil · 01-07-2021, 01:36 PM

As an Indians fan knowing that Lindor and Carrasco were both as good as gone, I am ok with the trade. They got someone that can step in and play SS until Tyler Freeman is ready and Gimenez seems to be a solid prospect who could be the opening day 2b and the other two seem to be high ceiling prospects, and the Indians have done a good job lately with getting prospects right in trades.

I will miss both Lindor and Cookie, they are class guys who should perform well in New York.

swoboda · 01-07-2021, 02:07 PM

Can summarize this Mets fan's reaction in one word

Yesssss!

swoboda · 01-07-2021, 02:08 PM

I do however, expect Gimenez to turn into a solid everyday player for Cleveland for many yrs.

Déjà Bru · 01-07-2021, 02:30 PM

This is going to cost the Mets $$$.

Quote:

The cost to the Mets in terms of players was not particularly high. Lindor’s presence would have made Gimenez and Rosario expendable, and Wolf and Greene are several years away from the majors and did not rank in the organization’s top tier of prospects.

The cost to the Mets in terms of dollars is higher — especially if they sign Lindor, scheduled to be a free agent after the 2021 season, to a long-term contract. Lindor’s salary for this season has not been determined, but he is likely to earn more than $20 million via arbitration. He had a base salary of $17.5 million in 2020 that was reduced (as all contracts were) by the pandemic-shortened 60-game season.

Carrasco has two years and $24 million left on his deal, plus a $14 million team option for 2023.

This will sound obvious and naive but I don't see this deal happening under the previous regime.

ohiodevil · 01-07-2021, 02:42 PM

New owner wanted to make a splash, which he did. If they don't resign Lindor to an extension, this will really hurt them but the questions is how much do you commit to Lindor? Is he worth $30+ per year over 7 or 8 years? And then does that contract hurt them when Lindor is 35.

Carrasco is under contract for 3 more years with that last one a team option ($3 million buyout). I think he has at least one more really good year in him and then he will become a back of rotation guy, but both guys are class acts and the fans will love them. I read that both were in tears when they were told about the trade.

And if you read/listen to the local fans here, they are all pissed off. To me this is similar to the 1989 trade of Joe Carter to the Padres, people were really pissed but it brought back Chris James, Carlos Baerga and some 6'5 catcher named Alomar.

GeoWar · 01-07-2021, 04:26 PM

The other question is - How does Lindor perform in New York ? Also how does he like New York ?

Then comes the look at money -- $30 million in New York does not go as far as $30 million in Ohio or Florida or Texas .

Westheim · 01-07-2021, 09:34 PM

Not Gimenez ....!!

12-08-2020, 05:17 PM	#642
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 13,516	That was neat indeed. Now sign Bauer! He wants to sign! Just show him the dotted line! __________________ Portland Raccoons, 91 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

12-08-2020, 05:57 PM	#644
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 13,516	And even then it better cost nothing! They, too, might have signed the guy for $750k. Then grandly announced that he'd be the setup guy. Or fourth starter. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 91 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

12-10-2020, 10:59 AM	#645
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,501	Newsday is saying that the Mets appear to be opting for free agent catcher James McCann over J.T. Realmuto. The thinking is this: The Mets signing McCann would mean passing on J.T. Realmuto, by far the top backstop available on the open market and arguably the best catcher in baseball. Realmuto and McCann have been comparable hitters the past two years — since the start of McCann’s breakout in 2019 — but Realmuto comes with a longer track record of success and greater overall ability, particularly defensively. Realmuto is nine months younger than McCann, who is heading into his age-31 season. McCann, though, presumably would be cheaper and likely would agree to a shorter contract. If they fill their catcher hole with a less-expensive choice, it leaves the Mets more flexibility to go big in other areas of need: centerfield (George Springer is the top free agent) and the rotation (NL Cy Young Award winner Trevor Bauer is the best option available). Any team that signs McCann to a multiyear contract would be betting that his recent improvements, which have been drastic, are sustainable. If this is so, then it looks like Cohen money is not inexhaustible and that the Mets must still make good financial decisions even under new management. Which is probably a healthy thing. __________________ - Bru

12-12-2020, 01:39 PM	#646
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 13,516	The kids on the street say the Mets add James McCann for 4-yr, $40M+. That's the appetizer, right, Uncle Steve? For when you give us Springer and Bauer, right? Uncle Steve? (tugs on Uncle Steve's sleeve) Uncle Steve, say something, please! __________________ Portland Raccoons, 91 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

12-22-2020, 01:48 PM	#648
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,220	NY media reporting the Amazins are in the hunt for ace hurler from Japan. __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

12-08-2020, 03:39 PM	#641
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Here is a pretty neat story https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/12/08/ne...HIS%20-%20List

12-08-2020, 05:53 PM	#643
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	As a Braves fan, I have to stay I really don't like this new Mets front office who practices such things as 'smarts', 'sanity' and 'analytics' I much prefer the old front office who made decisions based on rolling chicken bones and the phases of the moon.

12-23-2020, 03:04 PM	#650
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,501	Mets, Noah Syndergaard reach one-year, $9.7M deal to avoid arbitration Syndergaard, who underwent Tommy John surgery in March, will make the same salary he would have made in a full 2020 season. Team president Sandy Alderson recently said he hopes Syndergaard will be able to rejoin the rotation in June. Seems reasonable, given the circumstances. Maybe even a trifle generous. __________________ - Bru

01-07-2021, 12:43 PM	#652
ohiodevil OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rocky River, Ohio Posts: 2,424	Looks like the Mets landed Lindor (and Carrasco) from Indians. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/...edium=facebook Jeff Passan tweeted this: So far what we know of the New York-Cleveland blockbuster: Mets get: SS Francisco Lindor and RHP Carlos Carrasco (as @Feinsand reported) Cleveland gets: SS Amed Rosario, IF Andres Gimenez, RHP Josh Wolf, OF Isaiah Greene Last edited by ohiodevil; 01-07-2021 at 12:56 PM.

01-07-2021, 01:30 PM	#653
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,501	Westheim will be rubbing his paws over this one. __________________ - Bru

01-07-2021, 01:36 PM	#654
ohiodevil OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rocky River, Ohio Posts: 2,424	As an Indians fan knowing that Lindor and Carrasco were both as good as gone, I am ok with the trade. They got someone that can step in and play SS until Tyler Freeman is ready and Gimenez seems to be a solid prospect who could be the opening day 2b and the other two seem to be high ceiling prospects, and the Indians have done a good job lately with getting prospects right in trades. I will miss both Lindor and Cookie, they are class guys who should perform well in New York.

01-07-2021, 02:07 PM	#655
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,220	Can summarize this Mets fan's reaction in one word Yesssss! __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

01-07-2021, 02:08 PM	#656
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,220	I do however, expect Gimenez to turn into a solid everyday player for Cleveland for many yrs. __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

01-07-2021, 02:42 PM	#658
ohiodevil OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rocky River, Ohio Posts: 2,424	New owner wanted to make a splash, which he did. If they don't resign Lindor to an extension, this will really hurt them but the questions is how much do you commit to Lindor? Is he worth $30+ per year over 7 or 8 years? And then does that contract hurt them when Lindor is 35. Carrasco is under contract for 3 more years with that last one a team option ($3 million buyout). I think he has at least one more really good year in him and then he will become a back of rotation guy, but both guys are class acts and the fans will love them. I read that both were in tears when they were told about the trade. And if you read/listen to the local fans here, they are all pissed off. To me this is similar to the 1989 trade of Joe Carter to the Padres, people were really pissed but it brought back Chris James, Carlos Baerga and some 6'5 catcher named Alomar. Last edited by ohiodevil; 01-07-2021 at 02:43 PM.

01-07-2021, 04:26 PM	#659
GeoWar All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 850	The other question is - How does Lindor perform in New York ? Also how does he like New York ? Then comes the look at money -- $30 million in New York does not go as far as $30 million in Ohio or Florida or Texas . __________________ Cal. State Fullerton -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2004 Texas Longhorns -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2005 Oregon State Beavers -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2006 and 2007 With unity comes VICTORY !

01-07-2021, 09:34 PM	#660
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 13,516	Not Gimenez ....!! __________________ Portland Raccoons, 91 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.