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mitchkenn · 12-12-2016, 03:31 PM

1) as thehef said - i would like as many minors included as possible. i do realize there are limitations and issues to be worked out. So if C and D leagues were excluded for 18 or even 19, and the A AA AAA and maybe a few independents were thrown in, i'd be nearly delighted.

2) A FA draft for minor leagues? Not something i'd given any thought to before, but it could be a good thing. That might allow independent or unaffiliated leagues to get their players into the game. HMMM ... seems like a good thing to me.

3) Of course a third option (which i know isn't likely or maybe even programmable) would be for the game to allow user created minors to co-exist with the historical ones the game does offer. Of course, that might mean finding a way to import MiLB players into the game, and that would mean they'd need to be in a database we could access ... and ... and ... but it is an option.

4) Well, since the game is so flexible ... Dylan's "Most Likely You'll Go Your Way (And I'll Go Mine)" came to mind. )(OK, i'm showing my age.) But again, that all depends on the avenues opened (or closed) in the next version ....

Spritze · 12-12-2016, 04:09 PM

1) Not going to exclude C,D and E leagues as a rule, maybe just a select few until their roosters become available.

2) I think this should happen. It gets rid of the error where teams don't have enough players as well.

3) Player import for the minors may get fixed.

4) Manic Monday by The Bangles!

thehef · 12-12-2016, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

1) Not going to exclude C,D and E leagues as a rule, maybe just a select few until their roosters become available. Sounds reasonable.

2) I think this should happen. It gets rid of the error where teams don't have enough players as well. Thumbs up

3) Player import for the minors may get fixed. Would be cool. Also cool would be if as many as possible of the 70,000 unused minor-leaguers imported to the free agent pool. Would make #2 above even more interesting.

4) Manic Monday by The Bangles! Yes, if the Supermodel Mode expansion pack can include Susanna Hoffs

FYI, as a service and not a complaint, for 1940 these leagues don't have players import to them:

Virginia League
Michigan State League
Alabama State League
Florida East Coast League

These leagues' teams appear to have players & stats on baseballreference. Perhaps the stats are not complete enough, or there are other issues...

Spritze · 12-13-2016, 12:09 AM

The 1940 leagues noted all have players on their unaffiliated teams.

The affiliated ones are blank because OOTP moves all their players elsewhere in the organization. I think for a historical league that this movement is a bug but the programmers insist it is a required feature.

Amazin69 · 12-14-2016, 05:31 PM

We seem to have a staff-full of Bill Staffords, also. Well, two, anyway. As is usual, one has the MLB ID and major-league stats, the other the MiLB ID/stats. Don't know why, as there's no double-name issue or anything for Stafford, to my knowledge.

I did notice that the MLB ID was "staffbi01", using "bi" for "Bill", whereas the MiLB ID was "staffo001wil", using "wil" for "william", but I'm dubious that this is the cause, given the number of Bill/William players who don't have clones running loose. I checked the contemporaneous Bill Robinson, for example. No such issue. So, all I know is that I don't know.

The last possibility is the birthdate; MLB Stafford is listed as being born on August 13, 1939 but MiLB Bill has 8/13/1938 as his birthdate. Most records cite 1939 as being correct, but in Ball Four, the newly-30 Bouton is asked to judge an age contest of his fellow 30-year-olds and Stafford is one of the contestants. Since another contestant, Tommy Davis (b. 3/21/1939) is cited as being the only 29-year-old in the group (others included Ray Oyler and Don Mincher), it would be odd for Bouton to call Stafford "30" if he was in fact five months younger than Davis. Unless he just plain goofed, I guess.

In any event, we have one more Stafford than we need. (No disrespect to the actual Bill Stafford, who died in 2001.) Thanks in advance, as usual.

thehef · 12-14-2016, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

The 1940 leagues noted all have players on their unaffiliated teams.

I'm sure you're right about that. Pretty sure now that my finding those teams without players is a result of something I'm testing.

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Originally Posted by Spritze

The affiliated ones are blank because OOTP moves all their players elsewhere in the organization. I think for a historical league that this movement is a bug but the programmers insist it is a required feature.

I can see how it would be a feature in that AI would move players wherever it thinks they belong within an organization. I can also, however, totally see how it would desirable to have the option to play with historically-accurate minor league rosters.

Spritze · 12-15-2016, 12:03 AM

Differing Birthdates do indeed create duplicates. Stafford has been fixed.

thehef · 12-16-2016, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by thehef

Submitted as a service, not a complaint... 1920's era (approximately) MiLB players who do not appear to import to OOTP:

Lefty Vinci
Wally Knox
John Smirch
Cliff Best
Eddie Moore (James Edward, b 8/15/1899, significant MiL career from 1920-32.)
Herbert C. Smith, b 1898, MiLB 1920-1941
Sylvester Kohlenberg
Ray Pipkin
Gus Burleson
Jackie Robertson
Roy Edward Wilson
Guy Powell

Not a complete list. Just what I've found so far... A few of these guys had significant enough MiLB careers to where they should be included. Many others' careers make their inclusion less-important.

Just to update this... Best, Pipkin, and Burleson did import, just later than I had expected.

Spritze · 12-16-2016, 04:28 AM

There about 100,000 players in the database that never show up as they never played in a league with an affiliated team in it.

Does not matter how long they played. They ain't in if they didn't.

swampdragon · 12-30-2016, 08:35 PM

There really is a need to be able to individually import minor leaguers.

Spritze · 12-30-2016, 09:18 PM

People keep asking about this like it is a real thing.

thehef · 12-31-2016, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

There really is a need to be able to individually import minor leaguers.

Individually? Cool! All minor leaguers importing either to their actual team or as free agents? Way cool.

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Originally Posted by Spritze

People keep asking about this like it is a real thing.

It's almost like a bunch of minor leaguers have been made available and are ready to be accessed. Almost.

Dukie98 · 03-06-2017, 11:10 PM

In a historic league, the December 1910 draft pool (i.e. players who made their debut in 1911) contained a 15-year-old Jerry Dorsey, who, in real life, played a couple games with the Pirates in 1911. This seemed... odd...

According to baseball-reference.com, there is a Jerry D'Arcy who corresponds to the 15-year-old Jerry Dorsey's stats and has the same birthplace (Oakland). D'Arcy is listed as being born in 1885 - not 1895 as the draftable Dorsey is -- so he was age 26 for the 1911 season.

Is there a way to update Dorsey (both his name and age) for the next version?

Spritze · 03-07-2017, 12:14 AM

These are two different people born nearly 30 years apart. D'arcy born 1858, Dorsey 1885.

D'Arcy finished his career when Dorsey was a one year old.

No update needed AFAIK.

Pinetarpress · 03-07-2017, 11:34 AM

I am getting close to the 1977 draft in my 1977 season on OOTP....when will the players selected in the 77 draft show up in my game?

For now, I am going to add the players who made the majors by using import historical players ....but, the ones who never made the majors I will just add on my own (giving them the correct historical minor league ID)

Do you think this is the best way to get the actual players into my 1977 campaign...(correct minor leagues)

Spritze · 03-07-2017, 02:57 PM

Unless you have a weird setup this is all automated.

Pinetarpress · 03-07-2017, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

Unless you have a weird setup this is all automated.

When do players that debuted as pros after the 1977 draft generally enter the game?....At the beginning of my season I had to add players who debuted in the beginning of the season like Dennis Sherow and Stephen Annarummo ...these were players that were signed as NDFA in the off season or were drafted in 1976 but did not debut as pros until 1977....

with the draft coming up guys like future stars Harold Baines, Paul Molitor, and career minor leaguer Byron Ballard are about to be drafted in the real 1977 but not sure if they will be added into my league in the middle of my 1977 season or I will see them after my season ends....

*I do not have enable amateur draft turned on and I am allowing automatic creation of free agents,,,is there anything else I should look for that would be considered a weird setup?

i might save my current season and play thru the year and see when/if they are added....

Spritze · 03-07-2017, 05:34 PM

Sounds like your whole setup is out of bounds so there is no way I can help. Sorry.

OOTP drafts players the December prior to their first professional game. Everything else is moot.

Pinetarpress · 03-07-2017, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

Sounds like your whole setup is out of bounds so there is no way I can help. Sorry.

OOTP drafts players the December prior to their first professional game. Everything else is moot.

I am assuming it was because I had draft turned off.....i still had players show up who had previous professional experience...and, you said before I can not bring any minor leaguers into the game on the historical import correct? Obviously, I can bring Molitor, Baines, etc in through that

Spritze · 03-07-2017, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinetarpress

I can not bring any minor leaguers into the game on the historical import correct?

Not until 18

12-12-2016, 03:31 PM	#661
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,872	1) as thehef said - i would like as many minors included as possible. i do realize there are limitations and issues to be worked out. So if C and D leagues were excluded for 18 or even 19, and the A AA AAA and maybe a few independents were thrown in, i'd be nearly delighted. 2) A FA draft for minor leagues? Not something i'd given any thought to before, but it could be a good thing. That might allow independent or unaffiliated leagues to get their players into the game. HMMM ... seems like a good thing to me. 3) Of course a third option (which i know isn't likely or maybe even programmable) would be for the game to allow user created minors to co-exist with the historical ones the game does offer. Of course, that might mean finding a way to import MiLB players into the game, and that would mean they'd need to be in a database we could access ... and ... and ... but it is an option. 4) Well, since the game is so flexible ... Dylan's "Most Likely You'll Go Your Way (And I'll Go Mine)" came to mind. )(OK, i'm showing my age.) But again, that all depends on the avenues opened (or closed) in the next version .... __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.

12-12-2016, 04:09 PM	#662
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	1) Not going to exclude C,D and E leagues as a rule, maybe just a select few until their roosters become available. 2) I think this should happen. It gets rid of the error where teams don't have enough players as well. 3) Player import for the minors may get fixed. 4) Manic Monday by The Bangles! __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

12-13-2016, 12:09 AM	#664
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	The 1940 leagues noted all have players on their unaffiliated teams. The affiliated ones are blank because OOTP moves all their players elsewhere in the organization. I think for a historical league that this movement is a bug but the programmers insist it is a required feature. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it! Last edited by Spritze; 12-13-2016 at 03:30 PM.

12-15-2016, 12:03 AM	#667
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Differing Birthdates do indeed create duplicates. Stafford has been fixed. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

12-16-2016, 04:28 AM	#669
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	There about 100,000 players in the database that never show up as they never played in a league with an affiliated team in it. Does not matter how long they played. They ain't in if they didn't. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

12-14-2016, 05:31 PM	#665
Amazin69 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,363 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	We seem to have a staff-full of Bill Staffords, also. Well, two, anyway. As is usual, one has the MLB ID and major-league stats, the other the MiLB ID/stats. Don't know why, as there's no double-name issue or anything for Stafford, to my knowledge. I did notice that the MLB ID was "staffbi01", using "bi" for "Bill", whereas the MiLB ID was "staffo001wil", using "wil" for "william", but I'm dubious that this is the cause, given the number of Bill/William players who don't have clones running loose. I checked the contemporaneous Bill Robinson, for example. No such issue. So, all I know is that I don't know. The last possibility is the birthdate; MLB Stafford is listed as being born on August 13, 1939 but MiLB Bill has 8/13/1938 as his birthdate. Most records cite 1939 as being correct, but in Ball Four, the newly-30 Bouton is asked to judge an age contest of his fellow 30-year-olds and Stafford is one of the contestants. Since another contestant, Tommy Davis (b. 3/21/1939) is cited as being the only 29-year-old in the group (others included Ray Oyler and Don Mincher), it would be odd for Bouton to call Stafford "30" if he was in fact five months younger than Davis. Unless he just plain goofed, I guess. In any event, we have one more Stafford than we need. (No disrespect to the actual Bill Stafford, who died in 2001.) Thanks in advance, as usual.

12-30-2016, 08:35 PM	#670
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	There really is a need to be able to individually import minor leaguers. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

12-30-2016, 09:18 PM	#671
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	People keep asking about this like it is a real thing. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-06-2017, 11:10 PM	#673
Dukie98 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 902	In a historic league, the December 1910 draft pool (i.e. players who made their debut in 1911) contained a 15-year-old Jerry Dorsey, who, in real life, played a couple games with the Pirates in 1911. This seemed... odd... According to baseball-reference.com, there is a Jerry D'Arcy who corresponds to the 15-year-old Jerry Dorsey's stats and has the same birthplace (Oakland). D'Arcy is listed as being born in 1885 - not 1895 as the draftable Dorsey is -- so he was age 26 for the 1911 season. Is there a way to update Dorsey (both his name and age) for the next version?

03-07-2017, 12:14 AM	#674
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	These are two different people born nearly 30 years apart. D'arcy born 1858, Dorsey 1885. D'Arcy finished his career when Dorsey was a one year old. No update needed AFAIK. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-07-2017, 11:34 AM	#675
Pinetarpress Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 423 Blog Entries: 1	I am getting close to the 1977 draft in my 1977 season on OOTP....when will the players selected in the 77 draft show up in my game? For now, I am going to add the players who made the majors by using import historical players ....but, the ones who never made the majors I will just add on my own (giving them the correct historical minor league ID) Do you think this is the best way to get the actual players into my 1977 campaign...(correct minor leagues)

03-07-2017, 02:57 PM	#676
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Unless you have a weird setup this is all automated. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-07-2017, 05:34 PM	#678
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Sounds like your whole setup is out of bounds so there is no way I can help. Sorry. OOTP drafts players the December prior to their first professional game. Everything else is moot. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!