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Fighting Rabbit
1956
Global ID 517794
sex male
country Philippines
residence
won 1 (KO 0) + lost 0 (KO 0) + drawn 0 = 1
rounds boxed 6 KO% 0
114 lbs

Fighting Rabbit BW boxer 0

[bob_bask]

Amazing output bear.

Unable to download recent creations at moment but I'm looking forward to when I can.

Excellent work.

[bear]

Bobby Thompson
1897-1904
Global ID 17510
sex male
division welterweight
country Canada
residence Toronto, Ontario, Canada
won 7 (KO 5) + lost 6 (KO 4) + drawn 5 = 18
rounds boxed 123
Newspaper Decisions won 14 : lost 17 : drawn 10
rounds boxed 254
Total Bouts 59 KO% 8.47
1899 billed as Canadian lightweight champion.
Skotnocki has career ending in 1905 with his jaw broken in a KO loss to Jack Clancy in January
133 - 135 lbs
was a champion bicycle racer before turning to boxing
5 (4) - 3 (3) - 5 & 27 NDs

Bobby Thompson WW boxer 3

[bear]

Originally Posted by bob_bask

Amazing output bear.

Unable to download recent creations at moment but I'm looking forward to when I can.

Excellent work.

I had announced a project involving old timers over a month ago and hadn't had a chance to start working on it. I was upset about not getting anything done so I just started to plow through it. Now there are just about 20 guys left to work through. .

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Con Tobin
1886-1894
Global ID 236586
sex male
division heavyweight
country USA
residence Troy, New York, USA
won 0 (KO 0) + lost 3 (KO 3) + drawn 0 = 3
rounds boxed 9 KO% 0
Skotnocki has career 1885 - 1896
6' 2"
192 - 230 lbs
American Negro
0 - 5 (4) - 1 & 1 NC

Con Tobin HW slugger 0

[bear]

Bob Turnbull
1883-1884
Global ID 68519
sex male
death date 1908-08-13
division middleweight
alias Cockey
country USA
won 0 (KO 0) + lost 2 (KO 1) + drawn 1 = 3
rounds boxed 17 KO% 0
Skotnocki has
Robert "Cockey" Turnbull
career 1882-1891
born 1863-04-19, New York, NY
died 1908-07 Long Island, NY
5' 5.5"
135
white American
3 (1) - 5 (3) - 3 & 15 exhibitions

Bob Turnbull MW boxer 1

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Felix Vacquelin
1890-1892
Global ID 69166
sex male
division heavyweight
won 1 (KO 1) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 3
rounds boxed 6 KO% 33.33
New Orleans, LA ?
Skotnocki has
has career starting in 1889
2 wins over minor opponents & a KO of Lem McGregor
(likely a mispelling of Lem Lem McGregory)

Felix Vacquelin HW slugger 1

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Lem Mcgregory
1886-1887
Global ID 40391
sex male
division heavyweight
alias St Joe Kid
residence
birth place Saint Joseph, Missouri, USA
birth name The St. Joe Kid
won 1 (KO 0) + lost 1 (KO 0) + drawn 3 = 5
rounds boxed 28 KO% 0
likely KO loser in 1889 to Felix Vacquelin

Lem Mcgregory HW boxer 0

[bear]

John Welch
1884-1893
Global ID 168633
sex male
division heavyweight
won 1 (KO 1) + lost 0 (KO 0) + drawn 1 = 2
rounds boxed 73 KO% 50
Skotnocki has
career span 1883-1886
Jack Welsh of Philadelphia
born circa 1854, Birmingham, England
5' 11"
160
may have met British boxers before arriving in America
in 1883 won fights at Professor John H Clark's in Philladelphia
3 - 3 (1) - 1

John Welch HW boxer 2

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Tommy Williams
1880-1900
Global ID 16466
sex male
won 0 (KO 0) + lost 5 (KO 5) + drawn 0 = 5
rounds boxed 16 KO% 0
Skotnocki has
career span 1879 - 1896
White American
1 (1) - 2 (1)
may have been from Boston, MA.

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Fred Woods
1885-1900
Global ID 139093
sex male
division middleweight
country USA
residence Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
won 4 (KO 0) + lost 7 (KO 4) + drawn 7 = 19
rounds boxed 95 KO% 0
Skotnocki has same career span
4 - 9 (4) - 5 and 2 ND

Fred Woods MW boxer 0

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Will Young
1887
Global ID 524484
sex male
residence
won 0 (KO 0) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 1
rounds boxed 2 KO% 0
MW ?
Baltimore, MD ?
Skotnocki has
career span 1886-1892
0 - 5 (3) - 1

Will Young MW boxer 0

[swampdragon]

I'm trying to set up a turn of the century replay and am curious to see how you would rate a couple of fighters:

1. Jim McCormick -- contemporary of Jack Johnson's in Galveston seems to have been a sparring partner and his opponent in several (exhibition?) matches, Wildly inconsistent.. Boxrec 675051

2. Billy Devine -- slightly above average prelim fighter in Philly with around 100 bouts. Are these guys all zeros? I guess if he was better than that he would have fought the 20 round features? Interested to see what you do with them. Boxrec 39931

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Charlie Allum
1903-1911
Global ID 143181
sex male
birthdate 1876-04-23
death date 1918-07-21 (42)
division welterweight
height 5' 9" / 175cm
country United Kingdom
residence Notting Hill, London, United Kingdom
birth place Notting Hill, London, United Kingdom
won 22 (KO 12) + lost 19 (KO 8) + drawn 8 = 49
rounds boxed 294 KO% 24.49
144 - 163 lbs
1904 lost bout Billed: World 146lbs title
1905 won English Middleweight 150 lbs Title
1906 lost bout for English 156lbs Middleweight Title
1907 lost bout for 158lbs Middleweight Title Claim

Charlie Allum WW slugger 2

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Dave Barry
1900-1907
Global ID 437188
sex male
birthdate 1881-00-00
division middleweight
height 5' 8½" / 174cm
country USA
residence San Francisco, California, USA
birth place Co. Cork, Ireland
won 6 (KO 6) + lost 12 (KO 8) + drawn 4 = 23
rounds boxed 236
Newspaper Decisions won : lost : drawn 1
rounds boxed 10
Total Bouts 24 KO% 25
158 - 165 lbs
Skotnocki has
calls him Dave Barry of California
21 (18) - 12 (9) - 6

Dave Barry MW slugger 3

[bear]

Originally Posted by swampdragon

I'm trying to set up a turn of the century replay and am curious to see how you would rate a couple of fighters:

1. Jim McCormick -- contemporary of Jack Johnson's in Galveston seems to have been a sparring partner and his opponent in several (exhibition?) matches, Wildly inconsistent.. Boxrec 675051

2. Billy Devine -- slightly above average prelim fighter in Philly with around 100 bouts. Are these guys all zeros? I guess if he was better than that he would have fought the 20 round features? Interested to see what you do with them. Boxrec 39931

I did Devine some time ago and will re-post him here. I'll take a look at McCormick. If Devine fought primarily out of Philly the length of the bout is not an issue. There was a period of time, and I don't recall the dates, but bouts longer than 6 rounds were prohibited by law. I've seen more than one writer's top 10 All Time fighter fighter lists place Philly LW Yi Yi Erne on them and since he fought most of his bouts in Philly you can't find many fights longer than 6 on his record.

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Jim McCormick
1900-1906
Global ID 675051
sex male
birthdate 1879-01-25
division light heavyweight
country USA
residence Galveston, Texas, USA
birth place Galveston, Texas, USA
birth name John Heimann
won 3 (KO 3) + lost 5 (KO 2) + drawn 2 = 11
rounds boxed 66 KO% 27.27
175 lbs

Jim McCormick LHW slugger 1

Interesting fighter to rate. 3 DQ losses in 11 bouts, Made him as aggressive as possible with a fairly high CF to try to get this. Also couldn't rate him a 0 because of his quality of opposition. Just found a more complete record for him in Schutte's Supplement, Will revisit this in the morning

[swampdragon]

Have you looked at Kid Herrick? With all the Kids you've done in this thread, I was surprised not to have him. Boxrec 11703. I appreciate the requests you've done. I thought those 6 rounders were all prelims, but Devine looked too good not to have at least tried the longer ones. Thanks for the explanation.

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Taking a wee time out. UPS just delivered my Christmas present to myself. Herbert G. Goldman's 1725 page Boxing: A Worldwide Record of Bouts and Boxers

[bear]

Originally Posted by swampdragon

Have you looked at Kid Herrick? With all the Kids you've done in this thread, I was surprised not to have him. Boxrec 11703. I appreciate the requests you've done. I thought those 6 rounders were all prelims, but Devine looked too good not to have at least tried the longer ones. Thanks for the explanation.

Haven't looked at Herrick, but I will. Philadelphia wasn't the only locale with limits on the number of rounds that could be scheduled. California also had limts for a while. Look at Dave Shade's record.