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Old 12-29-2014, 04:09 PM   #7081
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Taking a wee time out. UPS just delivered my Christmas present to myself. Herbert G. Goldman's 1725 page Boxing: A Worldwide Record of Bouts and Boxers
A cool present, and I just happened to get a Amazon gift certificate.
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Old 12-30-2014, 02:06 PM   #7082
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A cool present, and I just happened to get a Amazon gift certificate.
It is pricey. McFarland lists it for $190 on their website but it cost a bit less at Barnes & Noble and their membership deal included free shipping.

Records of over 2,600 fighters broken down by era. Over 100 Prize Ring fighters, Over 20 transition era fighters with bouts broken down by prize ring and Queensberry, and over 2,500 Queensberry era fighters.
Checked a couple of fighters like Abe Willis & Denny Harrington and he has more bouts for them than boxrec. He gives Harrington overdue recognition as the 1st Queensberry World MW champion, I see the need to re-rate some fighters. I'm also going through the boxer's he's included and finding fighters not in either the stock database or the mods to come up with another to-do list.
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Old 12-30-2014, 10:52 PM   #7083
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That's a bit out of my price range. I can buy Kindle books all year for that. I'll be looking forward to anything you come up with on the ratings.
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Old 12-31-2014, 09:57 PM   #7084
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Got a list of over 100 more fighters to do.
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Jim McCormick
1900-1906
Global ID 675051
sex male
birthdate 1879-01-25
division light heavyweight
country USA
residence Galveston, Texas, USA
birth place Galveston, Texas, USA
birth name John Heimann
won 3 (KO 3) + lost 5 (KO 2) + drawn 2 = 11
rounds boxed 66 KO% 27.27
175 lbs

Jim McCormick LHW slugger 1

Interesting fighter to rate. 3 DQ losses in 11 bouts, Made him as aggressive as possible with a fairly high CF to try to get this. Also couldn't rate him a 0 because of his quality of opposition. Just found a more complete record for him in Schutte's Supplement, Will revisit this in the morning
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Jim McCormick
1900-1906
Global ID 675051
sex male
birthdate 1879-01-25
division light heavyweight
country USA
residence Galveston, Texas, USA
birth place Galveston, Texas, USA
birth name John Heimann
won 3 (KO 3) + lost 5 (KO 2) + drawn 2 = 11
rounds boxed 66 KO% 27.27
175 lbs
Schutte has him 16 (11) - 9 (6) - 1 & 1 NC
1 Ko loss is an Ex vs John L. Sullivan
3 losses on fouls, no losses by decision
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Old 01-04-2015, 10:23 PM   #7086
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Kid Herrick

Kid Herrick
1898-1910
Global ID 11703
sex male
birthdate 1881-03-02
death date 1942-03-17 (61)
division lightweight
country USA
residence Rochester, New York, USA
birth name Walter S. Herrick
won 50 (KO 27) + lost 26 (KO 15) + drawn 39 = 121
rounds boxed 731
Newspaper Decisions won 2 : lost 5 : drawn 4
rounds boxed 93
Total Bouts 132 KO% 20.45

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Old 01-04-2015, 10:39 PM   #7087
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Terry Mustain

Terry Mustain
1902-1911
Global ID 40219
sex male
birthdate 1883-09-17
death date 1962-02-24 (78)
division middleweight
country USA
residence Deadwood, South Dakota, USA
won 5 (KO 5) + lost 10 (KO 9) + drawn 4 = 19
rounds boxed 214
Newspaper Decisions won 1 : lost : drawn
rounds boxed 10
Total Bouts 20 KO% 25
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1904-1911 as career span
1884 as YOB
5' 10.5"
165 - 180 lbs
born Omaha, Nebraska
27 (21) - 5 (3) - 6

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Old 01-04-2015, 11:04 PM   #7088
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Billy Burke

Billy Burke
1899-1913
Global ID 39930
sex male
division middleweight
country USA
residence Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
won 7 (KO 5) + lost 11 (KO 9) + drawn 1 = 19
rounds boxed 110
Newspaper Decisions won 8 : lost 19 : drawn 14
rounds boxed 239
Total Bouts 60 KO% 8.33
Skotnocki has 1902-1910 as career span
born 02/1884
5' 11"
145 - 155 lbs
4 (2) - 12 (9) - 3 & 32 ND

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Old 01-05-2015, 12:11 AM   #7089
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Cyclone Kelly
1901-1912
Global ID 62426
sex male
division middleweight
alias William Kelly
country USA
residence San Francisco, California, USA
birth name William Kelly
won 20 (KO 13) + lost 17 (KO 12) + drawn 2 = 39
rounds boxed 184
Newspaper Decisions won 3 : lost 5 : drawn 2
rounds boxed 54
Total Bouts 49 KO% 26.53

Cyclone Kelly MW slugger 0
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Old 01-05-2015, 12:28 AM   #7090
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Fighters from Skotnicki's Gladiators of the Prize Ring now completed.

Proceeding to Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1991

There are about 50 guys in my to do list from this book and it starts phase two of my planned project.

After this I'll work of the fighter Herb Goldman's book and than revisit Bill Mathews
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Old 01-05-2015, 12:59 AM   #7091
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Jim Ashe

Jim Ashe
1893-1894
Global ID 232781
sex male
residence Boston, Massachusetts, USA
won 1 (KO 1) + lost 1 (KO 0) + drawn 2 = 4
rounds boxed 29 KO% 25
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James "Sun" Ashe
1889-1896 as career span
110 lbs
died 1897-05-08
"Sim Ashe"
2 - 5 (2) - 5 & 1 ND

Jim Ashe FLY boxer 0
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Old 01-05-2015, 01:31 AM   #7092
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Frank Bradley

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1896-1909
Global ID 52600
sex male
division welterweight
country USA
residence Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
won 12 (KO 8) + lost 4 (KO 0) + drawn 5 = 22
rounds boxed 113
Newspaper Decisions won 11 : lost 15 : drawn 13
rounds boxed 232
Total Bouts 61 KO% 13.11
122 - 125 lbs

Frank Bradley FW boxer 2
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Old 01-05-2015, 01:57 AM   #7093
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Hugh Glancy

Hugh Glancy
1901-1906
Global ID 246010
sex male
division lightweight
country USA
residence Boston, Massachusetts, USA
won 2 (KO 1) + lost 10 (KO 3) + drawn 6 = 18
rounds boxed 151
Newspaper Decisions won : lost 3 : drawn
rounds boxed 15
Total Bouts 21 KO% 4.76
Schutte has him going from 1902-1905
5' 6"
120 - 125 lbs
1 - 12 (3) - 4 & 2 ND

Hugh Glancy FW boxer 0
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Billy Ellingsworth

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1884-1886
born 1861
5' 7"
140 - 145 lbs
6 (1) - 2 - 0
likely from New York, NY

Billy Ellingsworth WW boxer 3
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Jack Ellingsworth

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1884-1885
John Ellingsworth
128 - 130 lbs
0 - 1 - 1
likely from New York, NY

Jack Ellingsworth FW boxer 0
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Joe Elms

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1893-1900
Global ID 142963
sex male
birthdate 1873-00-00
death date 1903-06-00 (30)
division bantamweight
country USA
residence Boston, Massachusetts, USA
won 9 (KO 6) + lost 8 (KO 4) + drawn 8 = 25
rounds boxed 198 KO% 24
90 - 116 lbs
Schutte has
died June 1903, Birmingham, England
120 lbs
5 (2) - 6 (4) - 5

Joe Elms BW slugger 1
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Len Fenton

Len Fenton
1901
Global ID 454922
sex male
country USA
residence Wauwatosa, Wisconsin, USA
won 0 (KO 0) + lost 0 (KO 0) + drawn 0 =
rounds boxed 0
Newspaper Decisions won 1 : lost : drawn
rounds boxed 5
Total Bouts 1 KO% 0
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1899-1901
Len "Kid" Fenton
112 - 122 lbs
5 - 5 (2) - 6 & 1 NC

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1895-1902
Global ID 59762
sex male
division middleweight
country USA
residence Brooklyn, New York, USA
birth place Brooklyn, New York, USA
won 26 (KO 17) + lost 11 (KO 7) + drawn 7 = 44
rounds boxed 440
Newspaper Decisions won : lost 1 : drawn
rounds boxed 6
Total Bouts 45 KO% 37.78
148 lbs
Schutte has career span
1895 - 1906
138 - 150 lbs
17 (9) - 11 (8) - 5 & 2 ND

Harry Fisher MW slugger 3
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1890
Global ID 499757
sex male
death date 1890-07-04
country USA
residence Brooklyn, New York, USA
birth name William Brennan
won 1 (KO 1) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 2
rounds boxed 51 KO% 50
134.5
died of injuries suffered in bout vs Frank Garrard

Billy Brennan LW slugger 0
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Jack Hamilton

Jack Hamilton
1895-1906
Global ID 165736
sex male
birthdate 1875-00-00
division lightweight
alias Doc Hamilton
country USA
residence Troy, New York, USA
won 19 (KO 10) + lost 22 (KO 3) + drawn 27 = 68
rounds boxed 999
Newspaper Decisions won 1 : lost 4 : drawn
rounds boxed 30
Total Bouts 73 KO% 13.7
121.5 - 128 lbs
Schutte has career span 1894-1908
born 1874-03-17 in Jersey City
5' 5"
118 - 130
27 (13) - 24 (5) - 28 & 4 ND

Jack Hamilton LW boxer 2
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