2025 NFL Season Thread

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by pilight

Out of the playoffs, but not at the bottom of the barrel. Teams don't jump from 4 wins to the SB.

The Patriots just did. The 2018 49ers had 4 wins. Next year they went to the SB. Same with the Rams in 1998 and 1999. There's probably more.

It's not common, but it can be done in the salary capped free agency era. Use all three phases of the team building process, draft, trades, and free agency. You can turn a team around quick.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by pilight

That loss is on McVay. He should have gone for two when they scored to make it 26-31. If they make it they tie with a FG when they get to 4th & 5 at the seven instead of having to go for it. Or they can try to get into FG range with 25 seconds left instead of needing a TD. Kicking to make it 27-31 is useless.

I get why he didn't go for 2. I think coaches start chasing points too early. When you don't make it, it hurts the decision making process. You start making choices in a more panicked state. With the way that game was going, how was McVay to know that 3rd quarter TD would be the last score of the game?

I had more concerns w/the late 3rd down conversion to Kupp. If McVay was going to use his TO anyway, then why not use it to challenge the spot? I'm not sure what happened there.

[David Watts]

If Nix was playing I would understand Payton going for it on 4th and 1 in the 2nd quarter up by 7. With Stidham in the game I thought it was a huge mistake. Calling a bootleg an even bigger mistake. Stidham played flat out awful from that point forward. Take the points!

[pilight]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I get why he didn't go for 2. I think coaches start chasing points too early. When you don't make it, it hurts the decision making process. You start making choices in a more panicked state. With the way that game was going, how was McVay to know that 3rd quarter TD would be the last score of the game?

I had more concerns w/the late 3rd down conversion to Kupp. If McVay was going to use his TO anyway, then why not use it to challenge the spot? I'm not sure what happened there.

He screwed that up too. He called the timeout immediately to stop the clock. That meant if he'd challenged he would have been risking a second timeout. He should have just immediately thrown the challenge flag, since he was going to use the timeout anyway.

[low]

Rivers saw New England quickly become good again and said, "Nah. I'm out."

https://www.nfl.com/news/philip-rive...oaching-search

[pilight]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I get why he didn't go for 2. I think coaches start chasing points too early. When you don't make it, it hurts the decision making process. You start making choices in a more panicked state. With the way that game was going, how was McVay to know that 3rd quarter TD would be the last score of the game?

Why would you ever not want to get within a FG with a two point conversion? There's very little difference in being four down or five down. There's a huge difference between being four down and only three down.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by pilight

Why would you ever not want to get within a FG with a two point conversion? There's very little difference in being four down or five down. There's a huge difference between being four down and only three down.

Again, I don't believe in chasing points too early.

Miss the 2 pt conversion, give up 3, now you are 8 pts down & HAVE to get the 2pt conversion. I don't want to put myself into a position where I have only one choice. I want options. If it was the 4th quarter I would go for 2. But in that type of game, at that moment, where there were 4 consecutive drives ending in TD's, I'm thinking there will be plenty of scoring opportunities coming my way. Especially with a turnover prone Darnold on the other side.

[Cobra Mgr]

Bills promote Joe Brady from OC to HC.

[pilight]

Bill Belichick falls short of Pro Football Hall of Fame on first ballot

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/p...-first-ballot/

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by pilight

Bill Belichick falls short of Pro Football Hall of Fame on first ballot

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/p...-first-ballot/

Interesting. He needs to get it. He is a big part of the reason Brady won 6 SBs there. Without him, that's not happening.

[pilight]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Interesting. He needs to get it. He is a big part of the reason Brady won 6 SBs there. Without him, that's not happening.

It's the same illogic that's keeping Bonds and Clemens out of the baseball HOF. The voters have decided it is up to them to punish him for allegedly cheating.

[low]

Originally Posted by pilight

It's the same illogic that's keeping Bonds and Clemens out of the baseball HOF. The voters have decided it is up to them to punish him for allegedly cheating.

Problem is, it wasn't "allegedly." Remember Spygate? I am ok with it. Cheaters should have to wait a while.

And the difference is, the MLB was making money off Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, et al cheating. They knew it was happening but those guys were putting baseball back on the map. You'd have to be pretty naive to think Selig and his cronies weren't piggybacking off of it. All of them deserve to be in the HoF, even if they need an asterisk.

[Cobra Mgr]

Browns hire Baltimore OC Todd Monken as HC

[Cobra Mgr]

I'm fine with cheaters not getting voted in. In fact, I agree with it.

What I'm not fine with is people using cheating as an excuse to settle old scores. If Belichek isn't in because of cheating, then Tom Brady & Robert Kraft shouldn't get in as well. The real reason Belichek isn't getting in on the 1st ballot is his relationship w/the media. And that is what is foul about the voting.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by pilight

It's the same illogic that's keeping Bonds and Clemens out of the baseball HOF. The voters have decided it is up to them to punish him for allegedly cheating.

"Allegedly." Seriously??

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by pilight

It's the same illogic that's keeping Bonds and Clemens out of the baseball HOF. The voters have decided it is up to them to punish him for allegedly cheating.

If you're good because you're cheating, that's a problem. The difference here is, I don't believe Belichick got to 9 super bowls by cheating.

[pilight]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

If you're good because you're cheating, that's a problem. The difference here is, I don't believe Belichick got to 9 super bowls by cheating.

It's a problem, but it is not the HOF's problem. It was up to the league to decide the appropriate punishment for whatever infractions he may have committed.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by pilight

It's a problem, but it is not the HOF's problem. It was up to the league to decide the appropriate punishment for whatever infractions he may have committed.

I've never had a strong opinion one way or the other. I see both sides. But depending on the infraction, I can see why some players are left out.

If you let players that do PEDs, or allow players to bet on their sport, and they still make the HOF, that sends a message that you can gamble or use PEDs and still make the HOF. So I see that side of it. But why weren't you doing anything when it was happening? Their record shows they should be HOF. O.J. Simpson is HOF.

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I think Pete Rose should have been HOF yesterday, But I understand why he isn't.

[Cobra Mgr]

Vikes fire GM.

Just this week I was wondering about his job security. I know it was Sam Darnold. I know he finished last season. But you don't let 14 win QB's walk for an unproven rookie often. And it is even rarer that you watch that QB win another 14 & make the SB while you stay employed home for the playoffs.

[low]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Vikes fire GM.

Just this week I was wondering about his job security. I know it was Sam Darnold. I know he finished last season. But you don't let 14 win QB's walk for an unproven rookie often. And it is even rarer that you watch that QB win another 14 & make the SB while you stay employed home for the playoffs.

Agreed. Saw this coming a mile away. I'm ok with the Vikings not knowing what they're doing, though.