BZ 272: Crash On Pitcher Injury Still Exists!!!!! - Page 4

AESP_pres · 06-25-2008, 08:02 PM

I've created another historical league yesterday and the same thing happen again with a pitcher suspension but it basically the same result than the injury, the pitcher is out of the game. Maybe I have found something since the 2 seasons have something in common : Is it possible that the crash happen because of the database choose to create the league? I've used the Gambo database (2007 ver 1.5) each time. I try a new one with the Lahman database include with the game.

PhillieFever · 06-26-2008, 01:04 PM

No,I started a historical league using the lahman DB so thats not the problem,it just seems like its random

Nutlaw · 06-29-2008, 12:48 PM

Do you mind if I merge this thread with this one:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ll-exists.html

endgame · 06-29-2008, 02:06 PM

Merge away, Nut. It's best all in one place.

PhillieFever · 06-29-2008, 05:17 PM

I had it happen to me 3 times,Once in the top of the first inning and two other times I don't remember the innings.They were in historical NL leagues so there was no DH,it has nothing to do with a double switch either(it happened to me in the top of the first inning)one thing I am wondering is if the bug dosen't exist in commissioner mode since the techs have such a hard time duplicating it.Either way it has me disgusted to high heaven.I will not start a new league until this has been eradicated and I will not let it be ignored either

PhillieFever · 06-29-2008, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theasfl

Those of you who've seen it happen in this version (aside from Comedian/Larry) are you seeing this in new leagues or imported leagues? Larry, I still have an old build on my laptop (though you probably have one lying around as well), I'll try to get around to messing with things to try to recreate the situation (or a similar one) you described.

mine was imported

PhillieFever · 06-29-2008, 06:05 PM

Well,speak of the devil,its just happened again.It happened on the road in the bottom of the 4th inning with the Phillies(me) losing to the Giants 3-2.No pinch hitters or replacements of any kind.

AESP_pres · 06-29-2008, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutlaw

Do you mind if I merge this thread with this one:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ll-exists.html

No problem we talk of the same thing.

Simmo13 · 06-30-2008, 06:44 AM

Pitcher injury problem just occurred again in my brand new V2009 fictional league. Nothing imported from 2008. I'm aware that a solution is being sought.

OldFatGuy · 06-30-2008, 02:12 PM

Just a test to see if this thread is working.

Nutlaw · 06-30-2008, 09:00 PM

Testing.

hefalumps · 07-01-2008, 12:42 AM

Hi everyone,

I'm really, really sad to hear that this bug is still in the game. But I have something else to throw on the fire that will make this bug even harder to track down.

OldFatGuy might remember me from some ot the OOTP2007/8 threads regarding this issue - I was having this crash happen every time I tried to sub for an injured pitcher, so basically my pitchers were invincible. I was really hoping OOTP9 would fix this.

Well, I imported my league over to OOTP 9 - and then actually I started over again and re-imported it into the latest patch of OOTP 9 once I heard about the issue with L/R splits. I had a pitcher get hurt in spring training, crossed my fingers, dragged a sub in for him... and the game didn't crash!

I did a happy dance because I figured Markus and crew must've fixed the bug this time! But it sounds like maybe it might just have been a fluke - as others are still running into it. Very sad.

The big question is this - why did OldFatGuy's imported league still have the problem while my imported league seemed to work OK (at least for the moment)? There's truly no visible pattern to what is causing the crash.

I'll post back the next time a pitcher gets hurt and let everyone know if I survive through another injury or if the crash hits me this time.

hefalumps · 07-01-2008, 12:47 AM

Yes - I use a DH in my league and it was happening to me in OOTP 2007 until I imported it to OOTP9. I've had one pitcher get injured in a game in spring training in OOTP 9 and the game did NOT crash. However, it's worth noting that when I first experienced the crash, my league was NOT using the DH.

hefalumps · 07-01-2008, 12:53 AM

My league was imported using Lahman 5.4 back in OOTP 2007 starting in the year 1970 playing as the Orioles. No commonalities with any of your leagues thus far.

For some reason my replies don't seem to be showing up in this thread. Hope it's a temporary issue.

If I look down at the "Topic Review" while I'm posting this, I see my posts as well as several other posts that aren't displaying on page 4 for some reason. I wonder if something got messed up when the threads were merged and it's not displaying properly. Hopefully somebody notices!!

OldFatGuy · 07-01-2008, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Comedian2004

OK, we have ruled it out being from being imported. There are indications that it is not because of a move earlier in the game, like a double swap, but my money is still on that.

Markus is on a well deserved vacation, but we will be on him when he gets back like a greedy agent on a hot rookie.

See if you can notice something in your game that is consistent between the games that it happens in. It could be something really weird and I am sure that is what it is.

Is it always a starting pitcher, is it always a RP or a Closer or is it always when the pitcher is on the home team, away team, or with runners on base, etc.

I don't know if you read the earlier parts of this thread, but I have injured literally 100's of pitchers in OOTP8 trying to recreate it. When that bug hit me, I was severely pi$$ed. So I tried to find similarities and couldn't. And if you want to know how I injured so many, I went into commish mode and edited all of the injury ratings on EVERY pitcher on my staff to max (200 or 250, can't recall), then upped the league options injury frequency to the highest level. You only need to play at most 2 weeks and you'll injure more than pitcher usually.

I could NEVER recreate it, but it did import into OOTP9. And I realize that AESP-Pres has had his strike in newly created leagues, I still believe it is a league issue. After I was unable to recreate it after several tries, the bug showed its ugly head on the FIRST pitcher injury that occurred when I used HIS league that he emailed me. There is something in the LEAGUE files causing this. How that corruption gets there is beyond me, I always blamed the frequent power outages in my area.

And to answer another of your questions, it matters NOT ONE IOTA of any changes or lack thereof previous to the injury. I've had them injured in the first inning and if the bug is present, it crashes as soon as you drag him to the pitcher box. I've even dragged him to the ninth batting slot, and it lets me do that, but as soon as you hit the "P" in the position drop down menu to make him the pitcher, CRASH.

hefalumps · 07-01-2008, 09:55 AM

Just to make sure this gets updated here... it looks like with everyone's help, Markus finally found the bug. There's an open thread on this in the General forum: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...g-amazing.html

If your League Strategy for closer usage is set to "rarely", the game crashes when you sub for your pitcher. No wonder it was so hard to find!

And no wonder it didn't happen to that many people. It would only happen to those who play out their games in an era before say 1974 with the imported era strategies.

I'm hoping this will make it into the July patch, but if you're experiencing the bug, hopefully just changing the League Strategy for closer usage to anything but "Rarely" should fix the issue in the meantime! The reason my league didn't crash in OOTP9 was because I guess in 1974 the strategy changed from "Rarely" to "Normal". In 1970 to 1973 (the last year I played using OOTP 2007), the strategy was "Rarely", hence the crashes.

Woohoo!! Hopefully it's finally fixed!

Nutlaw · 07-01-2008, 07:48 PM

Okay, as this issue has been claimed fixed for the upcoming patch, I will now close out this thread. While the issue is claimed fixed, it has not yet been verified (and it is very tricky to do so). If after installing the upcoming patch, you still see this behavior, please immediately post in Tech Support with a link to this thread so that we can open the report back up. Thanks.

06-25-2008, 08:02 PM	#61
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 4,046	I've created another historical league yesterday and the same thing happen again with a pitcher suspension but it basically the same result than the injury, the pitcher is out of the game. Maybe I have found something since the 2 seasons have something in common : Is it possible that the crash happen because of the database choose to create the league? I've used the Gambo database (2007 ver 1.5) each time. I try a new one with the Lahman database include with the game. Last edited by Tony M; 07-01-2008 at 02:54 AM.

06-29-2008, 02:06 PM	#64
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	Merge away, Nut. It's best all in one place. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

06-26-2008, 01:04 PM	#62
PhillieFever Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Elk Twp. NJ Posts: 6,763	No,I started a historical league using the lahman DB so thats not the problem,it just seems like its random

06-29-2008, 12:48 PM	#63
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Do you mind if I merge this thread with this one: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ll-exists.html

06-29-2008, 05:17 PM	#65
PhillieFever Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Elk Twp. NJ Posts: 6,763	I had it happen to me 3 times,Once in the top of the first inning and two other times I don't remember the innings.They were in historical NL leagues so there was no DH,it has nothing to do with a double switch either(it happened to me in the top of the first inning)one thing I am wondering is if the bug dosen't exist in commissioner mode since the techs have such a hard time duplicating it.Either way it has me disgusted to high heaven.I will not start a new league until this has been eradicated and I will not let it be ignored either

06-29-2008, 06:05 PM	#67
PhillieFever Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Elk Twp. NJ Posts: 6,763	Well,speak of the devil,its just happened again.It happened on the road in the bottom of the 4th inning with the Phillies(me) losing to the Giants 3-2.No pinch hitters or replacements of any kind.

06-30-2008, 06:44 AM	#69
Simmo13 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: those blue remembered hills Posts: 955	Pitcher injury problem just occurred again in my brand new V2009 fictional league. Nothing imported from 2008. I'm aware that a solution is being sought.

06-30-2008, 02:12 PM	#70
OldFatGuy All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern Va., Loudoun County Posts: 1,893	Just a test to see if this thread is working.

06-30-2008, 09:00 PM	#71
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Testing.

07-01-2008, 12:42 AM	#72
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,374	Hi everyone, I'm really, really sad to hear that this bug is still in the game. But I have something else to throw on the fire that will make this bug even harder to track down. OldFatGuy might remember me from some ot the OOTP2007/8 threads regarding this issue - I was having this crash happen every time I tried to sub for an injured pitcher, so basically my pitchers were invincible. I was really hoping OOTP9 would fix this. Well, I imported my league over to OOTP 9 - and then actually I started over again and re-imported it into the latest patch of OOTP 9 once I heard about the issue with L/R splits. I had a pitcher get hurt in spring training, crossed my fingers, dragged a sub in for him... and the game didn't crash! I did a happy dance because I figured Markus and crew must've fixed the bug this time! But it sounds like maybe it might just have been a fluke - as others are still running into it. Very sad. The big question is this - why did OldFatGuy's imported league still have the problem while my imported league seemed to work OK (at least for the moment)? There's truly no visible pattern to what is causing the crash. I'll post back the next time a pitcher gets hurt and let everyone know if I survive through another injury or if the crash hits me this time.

07-01-2008, 12:47 AM	#73
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,374	Yes - I use a DH in my league and it was happening to me in OOTP 2007 until I imported it to OOTP9. I've had one pitcher get injured in a game in spring training in OOTP 9 and the game did NOT crash. However, it's worth noting that when I first experienced the crash, my league was NOT using the DH.

07-01-2008, 12:53 AM	#74
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,374	My league was imported using Lahman 5.4 back in OOTP 2007 starting in the year 1970 playing as the Orioles. No commonalities with any of your leagues thus far. For some reason my replies don't seem to be showing up in this thread. Hope it's a temporary issue. If I look down at the "Topic Review" while I'm posting this, I see my posts as well as several other posts that aren't displaying on page 4 for some reason. I wonder if something got messed up when the threads were merged and it's not displaying properly. Hopefully somebody notices!!

07-01-2008, 09:55 AM	#76
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,374	Just to make sure this gets updated here... it looks like with everyone's help, Markus finally found the bug. There's an open thread on this in the General forum: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...g-amazing.html If your League Strategy for closer usage is set to "rarely", the game crashes when you sub for your pitcher. No wonder it was so hard to find! And no wonder it didn't happen to that many people. It would only happen to those who play out their games in an era before say 1974 with the imported era strategies. I'm hoping this will make it into the July patch, but if you're experiencing the bug, hopefully just changing the League Strategy for closer usage to anything but "Rarely" should fix the issue in the meantime! The reason my league didn't crash in OOTP9 was because I guess in 1974 the strategy changed from "Rarely" to "Normal". In 1970 to 1973 (the last year I played using OOTP 2007), the strategy was "Rarely", hence the crashes. Woohoo!! Hopefully it's finally fixed!

07-01-2008, 07:48 PM	#77
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Okay, as this issue has been claimed fixed for the upcoming patch, I will now close out this thread. While the issue is claimed fixed, it has not yet been verified (and it is very tricky to do so). If after installing the upcoming patch, you still see this behavior, please immediately post in Tech Support with a link to this thread so that we can open the report back up. Thanks.