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That's a complete falsehood. If you knew anything about the subject and about how little of the necessary data was recorded or preserved, then you would know that.
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If only there was a thread with multiple posts from The Wolf letting us know over and over again how he feels about the accuracy of Negro League stats and their potential use in OOTP.....
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Even with the data that is present, somehow someway myth and lore still finds away to blend into the box scores, a 2 run double might be a home run changed years later to build a case. Or how fast was a fastball when there was no one to compare it to. It is sad that there was a second class of baseball with great players that we will never be able to replay.
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But inventing something and passing it off as reality is the opposite of making it right.
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You are familiar with the forum guidelines? I am, and I know better than to post a derogatory post like that. It's a shame that you never learned.
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You sound like me now
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Now that I have loaded a database with 4 different versions of negro league stats found on the internet or already in my possession I can report some actual numbers as far as completeness goes. This is raw data without any guesses applied.
1) Many players have no stats at all. That's about 25% of the players known to have existed. I'll just remove those from consideration. Using 3,897 players. 2) Of the 18,572 batting records available they are 98.5% complete 3) Of the 7,019 pitching records available they are nearly 100% complete 4) Of the 22,077 fielding records available they are 95% complete I am amazed how complete the stats are that do exist. That said many players may have only a few years of their entire career covered. Since what we are building is not an encyclopedia but a particular set of skills attached to a player name who is then put into a game that takes him where it will this might work out OK. It is a better start than I was expectorating. This database includes Negro League data from 4 sources, Cuban League data from 3 sources, Mexican League data from 1 source and Independent leagues data from 1 source.
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Minor League players are missing all the years they played in unaffiliated leagues so they are not encyclopedic either.
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So does that mean that if you start in year where they were not in an affiliated league that they would appear when they re-joined the following year in a affiliated team?
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Yes
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What was it that was said by someone else upthread? A guess multiplied by a guess and divided by a guess is still a guess?
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"Box scores are often ambiguous, even contradictory. Stolen bases, pitchers of record, strikeouts, and even at bats and extra base hits, were not always given and had to be estimated if possible. When did spring training end and the regular season begin? Was an inter-league series a playoff or not?
In the final analysis, the research comes down to dedicated but fallible human beings, all good at their jobs, all striving to do perfect work, all men and women of good will. And all still disagreeing." - John B Holway, SABR Researcher, on Negro Leagues research I won't even mention the Negro Leagues for which ENTIRE YEARS of stats are lost.
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